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---Logopened Mon Aug 21 00:00:22 2017
00:00<FluffyFoxeh>yeah, I don't mind it on forms so much
00:06*dcraig posting to FluffyFoxeh's forms, securely
00:07<FluffyFoxeh>all your usernames and password please :)
00:07<dcraig>dcraig
00:07<dcraig>FlappyCats72
00:09<MrPPS>not FloppyCats?
00:09<MrPPS>disappointed
00:09<dcraig>then some would be able to guess it
00:10<MrPPS>ah
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00:46<FluffyFoxeh>HoopyCats
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01:47<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • octopuses and sea farm pets <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15105&p=74322#p74322>
01:49<Woet>my favorite
01:49<Zimsky>octopi*
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01:49<sgt53>Question: What Raid level of SSD Storage does linode operate?
01:49<Zimsky>what happened to sgt52
01:50<Zimsky>that's my question
01:50<Woet>http://grammarist.com/usage/octopi-octopuses/
01:50<sgt53>his process terminated
01:50<Peng>sgt53: I don't think that's public information
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01:50<Zimsky>all information is public information
01:50<Zimsky>there's just people trying to hide it
01:51<sgt53>Or is it at least fault-tollerant?
01:51<Zimsky>probably
01:51<Zimsky>if you are concerned for your data, do your own replication
01:52<Zimsky>Woet: was that supposed to be invalidating
01:53<millisa>they did talk about it being battery backed hardware raid for the ssd's back when they did the hardware switch. didn't give the specific level then either
01:53<millisa>this post: https://blog.linode.com/2014/04/17/linode-cloud-ssds-double-ram-much-more/
01:54<sgt53>ah, but they did say raid! so there is some fault tollerance built in. Thanks millisa!
01:55<millisa>unless they meant raid0; which I'm sure they didn't.
01:56<sgt53>lol I don't think they would still be in business if it was raid 0
01:58<Zimsky>why
01:58<Woet>Zimsky: no, it was supposed to tell you you're weird and uncommon.
01:58<Zimsky>the act of not using raid doesn't mean that everything will fail straight away
01:58<Zimsky>Woet: beating a dead horse
01:59<Woet>Zimsky: no thanks
01:59<Zimsky>Woet: ok
01:59<Woet>Zimsky: ask Eugene, he does it every day
01:59<sgt53>no, but when it does, it will be a catastrophic failure in the entire raid group
02:00<Zimsky>Woet: I don't want to know what eugene does every day
02:00<Zimsky>but it sure isn't linodin
02:01<Zimsky>a
02:01<FluffyFoxeh>>octopuses
02:01<Zimsky>hush child
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02:24<Bill>hello
02:24<Bill>any tech support here?
02:24-!-Bill is now known as Guest2989
02:24<Cromulent>!ask
02:24<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
02:24<Cromulent>!ops
02:24<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: https://www.linode.com/contact
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02:29<bill_>hello, why not one reply ticket?
02:29<bill_>no one
02:29<millisa>They usually reply to them in order.
02:29<bill_>It have been 4 hours.
02:30<arlen>keep waiting
02:30<arlen>they reply when they can
02:30<bill_>OK, but it is emergency, my vps can't connect outside suddenly.
02:30<Cromulent>yeah best you can do is wait - anyway we can't make them go any faster
02:30<bill_>it is my producttion server
02:31<dcraig>you could call them
02:31<Cromulent>^
02:31<bill_>goodidea, who I talked with? linode or users?
02:31<millisa>or log into the manager and see if it says it is running; use lish to see if you can login with it
02:32<bill_>no I can connect by ssh, but I can't connect to outside.
02:32<dcraig>sounds like a configuration problem
02:32<arlen>bill_: if you call you'll talk to linode employees. in here you're talking with users
02:33<bill_>I think so, but I don't do any thing before it happen.
02:33<bill_>Oh, thank you.
02:34<bill_>have a nice day.
02:36<Zimsky>big bill
02:37<Zimsky>everything is an emergency
02:41<dcraig>I keep some emergency zimskies in my trousers
02:41<arlen>better safe than sorry
02:42<dcraig>I still have a linode in dallas 1
02:42<dcraig>what gives?
02:43<millisa>more than half of mine are still in dallas 1, not notified for migration yet.
02:44<dcraig>ok whew
02:45<Peng>I'm in Dallas 2 but still have my IBM IP... for now...
02:45<Ikaros>lol IBM
02:45<Ikaros>Yeah, people started calling 'em that
02:46<Peng>:D
02:46<dcraig>what's an IBM IP?
02:46<Ikaros>'cause it's like, every company they come to own, you might as well just call them IBM too.
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02:48<dcraig>bluemix?
02:48<dcraig>who comes up with these names?
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02:49<Peng>IBM must have poached an Amazon executive :D
02:49<Ikaros>Though I myself dropped my Dallas-based node way way back.
02:49<dcraig>why did you yourself do that?
02:49<Peng>dcraig: one of the IP addresses owned by The Planet/SoftLayer/IBM instead of owned by Linode
02:49<dcraig>ohhhhh I see
02:49<Ikaros>Even though it was (literally) the closest to me geographicaly. I mean seriously right down 183->I-35E is one of their datacenters, and I know where another is off Alpha Rd.
02:50<dcraig>Ikaros, you know too much
02:50<Peng>dcraig: Linode is moving people to new IPs :(
02:50<Peng>I mean, IBM people
02:50<dcraig>oh really?
02:50<Ikaros>dcraig because I *LIVE* in the area.
02:50<Ikaros>lol
02:50<Ikaros>It's all familiar territory for me
02:50<Ikaros>But I still dropped my Dallas node regardless.
02:51<Ikaros>The performance difference between it and the one I have in Newark is not all that noticeable on a fiber optic line
02:51<dcraig>one of the servers on my quaint little irc network still has an he.net ip... maybe it'll get changed?
02:51<Peng>I dunno. The reasoning could be IBM-specific.
02:52<Peng>if Linode is moving to a non-IBM data center and IBM is upset, or if the IPs cost more
02:52<dcraig>I thought we were supposed to run out of IPs like 10 years ago
02:53<Ikaros>We did, ARIN afaik already depleted their pool.
02:53<dcraig>yeah well it seems like there are still plenty of them
02:54<arlen>https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/14/68/52/146852d1d5b099ceb1d3977087b3c205.jpg
02:54<Ikaros>Ehhh.
02:54<Ikaros>Somehow that doesn't really fit as well as the original quote.
03:00<dcraig>bluemix reminds me of gatorade powder
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03:43<Cromulent>ugh three twitter accounts :(
03:49<Peng>Traceroute: Orlando -> Miami -> Dallas -> Atlanta. Dammit Internet :(
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06:58<Lee>I was considering openhosting but they never answered any of my sales questions. Imagine if service went down?
07:01<grawity>most places have different people handling sales and tech support
07:10<nate>and actual sales dept's usually aren't open on weekends or outside of 'normal business hours'
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09:02<Zimsky>oh god imagine if there's no one to cater to people's problems
09:03<Zimsky>imagine if no one answers your questions about whether you get wordpress included
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09:04<Zimsky>imagine if no one is around to grant you a refund and financial reparations because you misconfigured apache and it shit itself :O
09:04<Toba_>you could always try posting your sales questions 3 4 or 5 times
09:04<ponas>:O
09:04<Zimsky>:O
09:04<Toba_>maybe that will help
09:04<Zimsky>Toba_: definitely lodge a complaint with the regulator
09:05<ponas>wow, openhosting offers 256 MB on their $4 plan, which I guess is reasonable, but a _0.5 GHz CPU_? :|
09:06<Zimsky>that's at least twice as fast as a 0.25GHz CPU
09:06<ponas>the '90s called and want their overclocked pentium II back
09:06<Toba_>imagine if service went down
09:07<Zimsky>well i guess we're all gonna have to start eating gluten again
09:07<Toba_>well my glutes aren't going to bulk themselves
09:07<Zimsky>not sure they're the same thing
09:08<Zimsky>Toba_: gluten is a protein, that means it's good for you
09:08<Toba_>thatwasthejoke.gif
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09:09<shmoon>hi
09:09<ponas>hi
09:09<Zimsky>hi
09:09<Toba_>hi
09:09<shmoon>hi
09:09<Zimsky>hi
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09:09<shmoon>trying to connect to mysql server on my linode from my local machine but it keeps saying host xxx is not allowed to connect
09:09<Toba_>that's probably because mysql listens on a unix socket by default
09:09<Toba_>btw
09:09<Zimsky>try host xxy
09:09<Toba_>you dont really want to do that, you will get hacked
09:10<Toba_>on the machine, do this
09:10<Toba_>sudo netstat -pan|grep mysql
09:10<Toba_>and post a pastebin of it
09:10<Zimsky>since when does msql use unix sockets
09:10<shmoon>I changed bind=linode_ip in my.cnf
09:10<Toba_>Zimsky: /var/run/mysql.sock never seen that?
09:10<Zimsky>Toba_: I've not used mysql or even touched it in years and years
09:10<Toba_>well there you go
09:10<Toba_>i have
09:10<Zimsky>postgres all the time
09:10<shmoon>https://pastebin.com/raw/r7U3YB7d
09:11<Toba_>see^
09:11<shmoon>is it listening on both tcp and unix socket?
09:11<Toba_>yes
09:11<Toba_>that's what these 2 lines are saying
09:11<shmoon>so why can't i connect to it remotely?
09:11<Toba_>so, you have a firewall issue
09:11<Toba_>probably
09:11<Toba_>i would suggest using a tcp tunnel over ssh rather than opening your firewall actually
09:11<Toba_>because otherwise, unless you've locked down the security of mysql carefully
09:12<shmoon>https://pastebin.com/raw/v0fLLm1P helps ?
09:12<Toba_>you can and will be hacked if you open it to the internet
09:12<Toba_>hm, I don't konw then
09:12<Toba_>oh, "not allowed to connect" sounds like you have no conncetion problem
09:12<Zimsky>maybe also `lsof -i -n | grep -i listen`
09:12<Toba_>but instead, need to add the host to your user
09:12<Zimsky>Toba_: idk about "will be", but it's sure as fuck a bad idea
09:12<Toba_>https://serverfault.com/questions/483339/changing-host-permissions-for-mysql-users
09:12<Toba_>read this, shmoon
09:13<shmoon>Toba_: did that to grant query let me show one sec
09:13<Toba_>did you FLUSH PRIVILEGES
09:13<Toba_>ok i've reached my quota of unpaid helping randos on the internet for the day
09:13<Toba_>good luck, pal
09:13<Toba_>i'm gonna go to work
09:13<shmoon>did this GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* TO 'root'@'linode_ip' IDENTIFIED BY 'password';
09:14<shmoon>Toba_: yes ofcourse flushed and restarted mysql as well
09:18<Zimsky>why are you trying to connect remotely
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09:18<shmoon>weird 'root'@'%' makes it workd
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09:19<shmoon>Zimsky: just trying redash.io
09:20<shmoon>they have hosted service, not sure how else to give them mysql access :/
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09:20<Toba_>doing this without TLS is just a generally bad idea
09:20<Toba_>hopefully this is a test VM and you don't care much about it
09:35<MajObviousman>wait you are doing WHAT
09:35<MajObviousman>giving ALL privileges permissions to an outside service are you NUTS
09:37<MajObviousman>if you paid a cleaning service to do your house every other week, you wouldn't give them the combination to your safe so they could dust inside there
09:37<dwfreed>what if my safe is dusty, though?
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09:38<MajObviousman>if you can afford a safe, then you can afford a duster
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09:39<chmod_777>http://krl.io/0ff0a
09:43<shmoon>maybe i should take my DB dump it into another instance and give it access to that
09:43<shmoon>run a cronjob every 5mins or so
09:44<ponas>sounds safer
09:49<MajObviousman>you're moving the risk to something you can better control and adding a gate, so yes that increases security
09:49<MajObviousman>but still don't give it root or all privileges for the love of God
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09:59<Zimsky>some of us like to live dangerously, MajObviousman
10:00<MajObviousman>that worked so well for Austin Powers
10:00<Zimsky>in the interests of transparency, all my services are read-only accessible by ssh
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10:04<dzho>Think about it: AWS, Linode, et al do nothing but give external users access to their services all day every day.
10:04<dzho>what could possibly go wrong
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10:09<Naveen_>Hi Team,
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10:09<Naveen_>The pricing includes Incl of Tax or Excl Tax ?
10:10<dwfreed>there is no tax
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10:10<Sifu>Can anyone here provide some guidance on choosing/configuring linode for an ecommerce website that is expecting a high traffice surge over the weekend?
10:10<dwfreed>Linode does not currently handle VAT at all
10:10<Naveen_>All the plans are Incl of Tax right ?
10:11<Naveen_>K Thanks
10:14<MajObviousman>Sifu: do you have an existing site with baseline data?
10:16<ponas>I'm quite happy the way Linode doesn't collect EU taxes, saves me 25%
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10:18<dwfreed>ponas: fair warning, I believe that's changing
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10:18<ponas>:(
10:19<Sifu>MajObviousman: the website is built on WP with WooCommerce (I know, far from the ideal choice for a high-traffice e-commerce website) and currently on shared hosting. I strongly dont believe that it will be able to cope with 160k users. The question I have is which linode to choose and linode will be enough as I am concernced about WP and sql.
10:20<dwfreed>how many simultaneous users is the big question, much more so than just user count
10:20<MajObviousman>Sifu: here's an analogy for what you're asking of us
10:21<MajObviousman>"How many people can safely live on Europa?"
10:21<Sifu>I have been told that around 50-60k simoultaneous users
10:21<MajObviousman>and the best answer we can provide is "Depending on how solid your engineering is, 0 to millions, but estimate up."
10:22<Sifu>MajObviousman: I really am aware that it is not very easy to answer to
10:22<dwfreed>you will have to build a setup yourself, and test it using something like siege; it'll probably take you more than a week to fine-tune it to something functional
10:22<MajObviousman>start with a smallish node, say a 4GB RAM one. Install your software. Pillage it with your load blaster of choice and see how it do
10:22<Sifu>so simply buying the most expensive linode and transferring the site over would not be enough?
10:22<MajObviousman>if it holds up well, then you're fine. If not, make it bigger. You can resize a Linode easily, it just requires the Linode to be off.
10:23<dwfreed>MajObviousman: you probably want to estimate down? underestimating capability would be better than overestimating
10:23<MajObviousman>if my goal is to not drop any users, then I want to overestimate. If my goal is to service as many users as possible for a reasonable cost, then I want to underestimate.
10:24<dwfreed>we're talking about the same thing from opposite perspectives, therefore our result is the same
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10:25<ducpham>hello\
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10:25<Sifu>Many thanks guys - really appreciate the help
10:25<HoopyCat>Sifu: i generally lean towards having multiple smaller instances (with a couple bigger ones for a database cluster) rather than One Huge One, but that has its own complications
10:25<ducpham>i need you review now bill 6285553
10:25<HoopyCat>Sifu: (and is why engineering is a discipline)
10:25<ponas>Sifu: you'll at least want to make sure static pages are cached
10:26<chmod_777>ducpham: this is a community channel, you should open a support ticket.
10:26<dwfreed>ducpham: this is a community channel; if you're waiting for your account to be activated, you need to have patience
10:26<Sifu>No, I know there will be plenty to configure. It is just that the timeframe is quite short so I needed a "quick-fix" - even though it is likely to be more expensive and not the most cost-effective option
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10:27<MajObviousman>I too favor multiple smaller instances, but now you're introducing a lot of additional engineering and failure points
10:27<MajObviousman>for his short time frame, I think a single huge linode is safer
10:27<ducpham>I'm sorry, I thought this was a support channel.
10:27<Sifu>Slightly separate aspect, has anyone had any experience with a WP e-commerce site receiving high-traffice?
10:27<MajObviousman>ducpham: it's ok. Stick around
10:27<MajObviousman>we're nice folk. Usually.
10:27<chmod_777>ducpham: if for some reason it's urgent, you could always call them
10:27<Sifu>:-)
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10:29<MajObviousman>if a single huge isn't enough, then you can lease a Linode load balancer and set it up for IP affinity. Then you add as many huges as you need to cover your traffic
10:29<MajObviousman>and since they bill by the hour, you can add them in or take them back out as needed
10:29<Sifu>That's a good idea!
10:29<Sifu>Thanks!
10:30<MajObviousman>the adding or subtracting really only works if you can quickly build a new one, e.g. you have devops'd the system
10:30<MajObviousman>if you don't, then aim high ahead of time and turn nodes off after you're certain you don't need them
10:30<Zimsky><MajObviousman> we're nice folk. Usually.
10:30<Zimsky>ha
10:31<MajObviousman>Sifu: I think even with your short time frame, youlll do fine :)
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10:32<Sifu>MajObviousman: Thanks for the help. I think I will go ahead with getting a new linode, transfer the site and start testing. Any thoughts on WP? I dont want to waste time if WP/mysql will not cope
10:32<MajObviousman>WP is a very well studied and understood animal
10:33<MajObviousman>you could do far worse
10:33<MajObviousman>that being said, you could do far better. But it's something to consider after the big surge
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10:34<MajObviousman>make sure your tables in MySQL are innodb, and give your innodb_buffer_pool a healthy amount of RAM (say 35% of your total RAM). It'll cache aggressively for you
10:34<MajObviousman>likewise, tap into cloudflare or other static asset caching to offload as much as possible
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10:36<Sifu>MajObviousman: Many thanks once again.
10:36<Sifu>This will be one fun task:-)
10:36<MajObviousman>you're welcome
10:37<MajObviousman>good luck
10:37<Sifu>Thanks! I want to say i wont need it but..
10:40<shmoon>:D
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11:21<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Should I use mod_php or PHP-FPM for WordPress on Apache2? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15104&p=74323#p74323>
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11:55<cvonz>hi, i need to know if linode have "Install Apps with one click", (gitlab, docker for example)
11:55<dwfreed>there are stackscripts
11:55<dwfreed>but you really need to know how to maintain the software you're running
11:56<dwfreed>because you'll be responsible for keeping it up to date, otherwise it'll get compromised
11:57<cvonz>yeah, it's true, TY-|
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12:22<montigny34>good afternoon
12:23<montigny34>anybody here good in php?
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12:24<relidy>montigny34: What's the question?
12:24<montigny34>https://pastebin.com/mqmWdC1C
12:25<montigny34>if you look at the code i provided, $sql1 works fine, and $sql2 as well.
12:25<montigny34>if i comment out the select_db and $sql3 that is
12:25<montigny34>if i uncomment $sql3 and the select_db it returns true false true
12:26<montigny34>I'm not sure wht switching databases causes my $sql2 to fail constantly?
12:26<relidy>Sorry, I'm probably no help here. I haven't used the native DB drivers in ... a really long time. My guess is that the driver really doesn't want you changing the database mid connection.
12:27<montigny34>here's the thing
12:27<montigny34>i have a total of 7 $sql statements
12:27<montigny34>they all run fine after changing the DB
12:27<montigny34>it's just the $sql2 that returns false?
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12:27<synfinatic>that code reminds me of: https://xkcd.com/327/
12:27<relidy>(Also, I'd really recommend looking into, and using, "prepared statements")
12:27<relidy>synfinatic: ++
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12:29<montigny34>once i get all my statements to run I will look at making it efficient
12:29<Cromulent>montigny34: https://secure.php.net/manual/en/pdo.prepared-statements.php
12:29<relidy>montigny34: Looks like these tables are ... PHPMyAdmin specific tables? Can you get the error after sql2 fails?
12:30<Cromulent>montigny34: it isn't about efficiency it is about security
12:33<montigny34>there's no error as to why it fails
12:33<montigny34>it shows undefined variables but doesn't say why it returns false
12:33<montigny34>undefined variuables arent for that sql query
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12:35<Martin>Hello
12:35<Cromulent>hi
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12:35<Martin>I have a few questions about Linode, can somebody help me?
12:35<relidy>montigny34: You don't appear to show the point at which those statements are actually run. All I see here are the queries being built. Where's the actual query call?
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12:35<Cromulent>Martin: ask away
12:35<montigny34>like if ($conn->query($sql1)){ ??
12:36<Guest3030>Where are the servers located?
12:36<relidy>montigny34: Yes.
12:36<Peng>Guest3030: https://www.linode.com/speedtest
12:36<montigny34>i have 3 of them they return either true or false
12:38<montigny34>relidy: if i comment out $sql2 and run $sql1 & 3 they both return true
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12:38<montigny34>there;s literally an issue with the second query after i change databases...
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12:39<montigny34>fixed it
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12:55<Rishabh>Hello
12:56<Rishabh>Do you guys support PHP hosting too?
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12:56<dwfreed>if you can run it on a Linux system, you can do it on Linode
12:56<dwfreed>and gone
12:56*relidy shakes his head in dismay
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13:02<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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13:13<MajObviousman>it's a bit alarming how many people come into the channel thinking that building out a complicated server is single button push or similar
13:14<MajObviousman>but then, I said the same about rails when it splashed
13:15<ranjeet>Hi Team I have a node of 24GB RAM on which I have installed elastic. Now I have attached volume of 300GB. I am seeing my server using only 4 GB of RAM so I thought to use volume for storage. I have right now 160GB of data. Now Please let know how I can move my data to volume storage.
13:16<relidy>MajObviousman: I think the average person doesn't really understand the difference between shared hosting and something like Linode. They're expecting a full-blown environment ready to go for them.
13:16<MajObviousman>is fair
13:17<MajObviousman>looking on the landing page, if you don't understand the difference between a server and a sitee, I can see how you wouldn't understand
13:21<HoopyCat>ranjeet: do you mean the block storage (which is currently in early-access beta) or something else?
13:21<ranjeet>yes block storage.
13:22<MajObviousman>so apparently ipset doesn't handle domain names with dashes correctly. How delightful
13:24<HoopyCat>ranjeet: i presume you'd just move the data to whereever you have the block storage mounted
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13:24<ranjeet>here I mount /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-0Linode_Volume_elastic /mnt/elastic
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13:29<HoopyCat>ranjeet: copy or move your data to /mnt/elastic (using cp or mv) and it will then be there
13:30<Peng>or rsync
13:30<Peng>or anything else
13:31<ranjeet>I dont know where is my elastic data is. Do I only move elastic data?
13:32<Peng>It's your data.
13:32<Peng>Oh. What's "elastic"?
13:34<synfinatic>he said he installed "elastic" on his server. i asssumed elasticsearch
13:38<cbirk>dont put elastic on your server
13:38<cbirk>it will never be the same
13:40<ranjeet>its elasticsearch data
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13:57<pertrai1>Hey, if I have one plan and want to upgrade, is there a long downtime for the upgrade?
13:57<HoopyCat>ranjeet: i don't know; you'd have to check the docs to see how to move its storage
13:57<HoopyCat>pertrai1: it's not too long in general, probably a few minutes ('tho it depends on how much stuff has to move)
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13:58<pertrai1>thank you very much
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14:05<het>hi
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14:05<het>?
14:05<linbot>het: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
14:05<het>will Linode 2GB Plan work best for phalcon built website
14:08<synfinatic>depends on what your website actually does and number of users
14:09<het>i have no iea since its new
14:09<synfinatic>ie: streaming video to 1000 concurrent users vs. a personal blog which gets 1000 hits/day are very different and it doesn't really matter too much if you're using phalcon, RoR, etc
14:09<het>acctuly its hsopping website with no images
14:09<synfinatic>you can always migrate to a bigger instance if necessary
14:10<synfinatic>takes a few clicks and a few minutes for the data to migrate
14:10<het>nice
14:10<synfinatic>so start small, and grow bigger as necessary
14:10<het>its the server manged by you or user(me)
14:11<synfinatic>you manage it unless you pay extra for linode to manage it
14:11<synfinatic>!managed
14:11<linbot>https://www.linode.com/managed
14:11<het>wow 100$ ?
14:12<synfinatic>basically, if you can't manage it, how much would you pay a consultant to manage it per-hour?
14:12<het>im not sure,
14:12<synfinatic>when I was consulting, i had a 4hr minimum
14:12<het>but as i check with other privder they offer with plan itself
14:12<het>so just wondring
14:13<synfinatic>shared hosting != VPS
14:13<synfinatic>totally different animal
14:13<het>VPS
14:13<het>Linux
14:13<synfinatic>yes, linode is a VPS provider
14:13<het>yes
14:13<synfinatic>"here is the root account on linux box on the internet... GO!!"
14:13<het>but for me to start with this is lot
14:14<het>yes
14:14<het>but i check with JPC
14:14<synfinatic>no idea who/what jpc is
14:14<het>there server are manged
14:14<millisa>the join parliamentary committee
14:14<het>ahhaah
14:14<millisa>joint?
14:14<het>https://www.jaguarpc.com/
14:14<synfinatic>i don't think Linode would say they're trying to be the best solution for everyone
14:15<het>i agree
14:15<het>but the price is too much for me just saying no compalning
14:15<synfinatic>that's web hosting. not a vpc
14:16<synfinatic>ah, there's a vps link
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14:16<millisa>https://www.jaguarpc.com/cloud-vps-hosting/ compared to https://www.linode.com/pricing
14:16<synfinatic>but they're not managing your server
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14:17<synfinatic>ah, there's a $27/mo addon for that
14:17<synfinatic>$27/mo for a SSL cert? LOL
14:17<millisa>linode looks cheaper comparing the similar plans?
14:17<synfinatic>anyways, different strokes for different folks.
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16:24<nate>That hosting was also $29/m for "managed" pre-paid an entire year it looks like
16:28<chmod_777>true, or $35 monthly, which is a lot cheaper than Linode's equally quotation mark-worthy Managed offering.
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16:31<nate>lol, just found what they consider 'managed' services, and it's mostly just automated things
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16:33<chmod_777>the only way Linode Managed makes any sense is if you have an account with nothing but huge (64GB or above) Linodes and you want to back up all of them with the Backup Service
16:33<chmod_777>because the monthly cost per node is less than the cost of backups
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16:35<nate>or if you, you know, have literally no idea what you're doing and want involved decent professional help usually :P
16:35<nate>(which I know most would beg the question of them even using a VPS without their own sysadmin but their own sysadmin would probably cost a good bit more)
16:36<Peng>Linode Managed can't do everything for you.
16:37<Peng>You still have to kind of know what you're doing.
16:37<chmod_777>they don't actually configure anything, they mostly tail logs, restart stuff, and point out what the issue might be. they're not going to change any config files or anything like that
16:38<chmod_777>worth it if you just want some potentially experienced fallback option, but you still have to actually get that stuff set up in the first place, and then be able to make changes to it yourself to fix things.
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16:43<Rainbow>Well then o.o;
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16:53<Peng>o/
16:55<Rainbow>\o
16:55<Rainbow>PENG
16:55<Rainbow>OLD BUDDY OLD PAL
16:55<Rainbow>HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU? <3
16:56<Peng>SAME OLD, SAME OLD
16:56<Peng>How's things for you?
16:56<Rainbow>pretty fuckin sweet
16:56<Peng>:D
16:56<Rainbow>:D
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16:59<Paul>hello
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17:00<chmod_777>hi, feel free to ask your question
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17:11<Rainbow>!ask
17:11<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
17:11<Rainbow>huh
17:11<Rainbow>what happened t....there we go
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17:26<fearlsgroove>Are there any linode employees that hang out here?
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17:27<relidy>!ops
17:27<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: https://www.linode.com/contact
17:27<Aleksandar>Guys, im sending 50$ to one who tells me server location of site hiding behind cloudflare. OR point me to closest datacenter to that particular site
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17:32<fearlsgroove>what's the typical response time from support?
17:32<fearlsgroove>I can't find an SLA on that anywhere
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17:34<schwa>to my knowledge there isn't an SLA on support responses, but the few tickets I've opened have been answered within a couple hours
17:34<relidy>fearlsgroove: It varies, but they've usually been pretty responsive on my tickets (no more than a couple of hours worst-case). I doubt you'll find an SLA on that unless you've engaged them for services beyond their normal public offerings.
17:34<schwa>if it's urgent you can always call
17:34<relidy>^++
17:34<chmod_777>yeah, if it's urgent, call
17:35<fearlsgroove>thanks didn't realize there was a phone number, but I just saw that in their beta console
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21:37<zifnab>redis question: is running a password protected public pubsub a bad idea
21:37<zifnab>I don't care about the data at all, it'd be for sensu
21:38<zifnab>So it's all transitive and if it dies idgaf
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22:13<Jessica622>Hi there
22:13<millisa>greetings
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22:19<@mcintosh> /go 38
22:19<@mcintosh>welp
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22:32<Jessica622>how long do I need to wait after payment done?
22:33<@sjacobs>Jessica622: shouldn't take too long. if it needs our review, you should expect an email shortly.
22:35<Jessica622>i got an email about receipt, but still can not check about account balance
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