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01:07<montigny34>hey all :)
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01:10<montigny34>anybody ever used mount / bind with sftp here?
01:10<montigny34>I'm having issues with it
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01:48<dcraig>what the
02:22<dcraig>this hurricane seems like a bit of a dud
02:22<dcraig>is Dallas safe????
02:23<dcraig>ok but who shot JR?
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02:29<arlen>Jim did
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03:58<ankit>need some info about hosting?
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05:22<Naveen>Hi Linode Team, We are from India and planning to purchase a "Standard Plan" from Linode. Need a confirmation that, the plans pricing are inclusive of Taxes(VAT, GST etc...) or it is on top of Plan pricing ?
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05:47<rsdehart>Naveen: there aren't any applicable taxes, so the price shown is what you'll pay
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08:27<mamun>Default directory path is var/www/html how can I change it to var/www/html/ Which ubuntu command I use?
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09:57<MJCS>It always amazes me when a large site goes down such as facebook
10:01<dwfreed>it's weird, too; all the scripts seem to be in the page, there's just no content
10:01<dwfreed>it's like it dies mid page generation
10:02<MJCS>Yeah their db went down
10:02<MJCS>Probably pushed an update and it replicated before they could detect the issue
10:03<nate>It's fine for me, and seemingly plenty of others. Worth noting a major hurricane slamming the US at the moment which is expected to literally hover for a few days and another big storm stiring up not far from that one. I imagine there are bound to be all sorts of internet oddities for the day :P
10:03<MJCS>Yeah but FB has datacenters across the country
10:04<MJCS>Anyone know what ever happened to You used to be able to view the internet backbone in the US there and its health in a grid
10:04<nate>Technically speaking last I was aware they have "A" central datacenter, the others are just used for front-end caching and CDN geolocated shit aren't they?
10:04<dwfreed>and Houston isn't a big node in the Internet
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10:05<nate>MJCS: They saw the potential for making money using it
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10:05<nate>and thus dyna was born
10:06<dzho>MJCS: this is the one I've tended to see
10:06<nate>dwfreed: It's not just houston getting crapped on though, I imagine there's gotta be some main tier stuff going through at least parts of where the hurricane hit
10:06<MJCS>FB is back
10:07<dwfreed>that's the page I get directed to when trying to fresh log in
10:07<MJCS>for me at least
10:07<MJCS>And like every subdomain was down too
10:07<nate>in fact some quick googling implies houston actually has a lot of Tier 1 going through it
10:07<MJCS>Yeah softlayer has a DC there
10:08<MJCS>Lots of POP there too
10:09<dwfreed>nate: sure, but presence of Tier 1s there doesn't mean that significant traffic goes *through* there to get from other places to other places
10:10<dwfreed>there's Tier 1 presenece in every major city; doesn't mean it's a significant part of the backbone
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10:11<nate>dwfreed: Well no I meant most of the Tier 1 maps show they route/hub through houston in some form
10:11<nate>Go look at their backbone maps
10:11<dwfreed>I doubt that
10:11<nate>also how did it get to be 10 AM already, blah
10:11<dwfreed>Dallas is much better located for that
10:12<nate>dwfreed: and they're usually showing dallas too, as well as san antonio in most of the ones I glanced at
10:13<nate>I feel like there used to be a site that showed all the Tier 1 routes all together interactively...
10:14<dwfreed>Houston makes pretty good sense for a south of the border connection, so all of latin america might be feeling it, but as far as within the US, not so much
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12:19<Eternal>Hello, he is the highest ranking user in the irc?
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12:22<dwfreed>/quit is totally the highest ranking user
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12:25<Eternal>Anyone here to help?
12:25<linbot>Eternal: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
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12:27<Eternal>I have evidence of a ddos attack on a linode VPS. The owner is currently unable to do anything about it. I was curious on what type of action I can take as a basic user of the vps.
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12:28<grawity>if the attack comes from a linode, email the abuse team
12:28<dzho>if not, cloudflare?
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13:30<je>I just made a payment
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13:31<je>received confirm email
13:32<je>but still see the page that
13:32<je>your account is currently being reviewed
13:32<je>what should I do?
13:33<je>and how do I know if promotion code is working?
13:38<dwfreed>you'll need to wait until you hear from Linode; you'll get an email soon with more information
13:41<je>do not you know how long it will take?
13:41<dwfreed>it varies
13:41<dwfreed>it's a manual process
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13:47<zifnab>dwfreed: why you no click buttons faster
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13:53<csnxs>he is now clicking them 0.5x faster
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14:10<vjvpn>My server is under DoS attack
14:10<vjvpn>Does anybody can help?
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14:11<vjvpn>anybody can help me.
14:13<Woet>what do you need help with..?
14:18<Zimsky>Woet: wordpress
14:19<Woet>Zimsky!*@* added to ignore list.
14:19<Zimsky>someone pulled a grawity
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14:30<Woet>Zimsky: just a prank mate
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14:53<Zriyan>Can I use your server to stream live????
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14:54<Zriyan>hls streaming??? That possible with your server???
14:54<Zriyan>Hello Gravity... How are you?
14:55<Zriyan>Thank you for answering me?
14:55<Zriyan>How many listensers can I have at the same time???
14:56<Zriyan>I dont need storage... All I need is the server to broadcast me files live, files that I already have on my storage...
14:57<Zriyan>my files... and Iam goint to use OBS or Xsplit...
14:57<Zriyan>Is that possible???
14:58<@mcintosh>yes, it is very possible
14:58<@mcintosh>there is no particular limit on the number of listeners you can have - it will vary greatly depending on a number of factors
14:59<Zriyan>Such as?
14:59<@mcintosh>The exact configuration of your software, the files you're trying to serve
15:00<@mcintosh>if you find that you need more resources to cope with the number of listeners you have, upgrading to a more powerful plan is very easy
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15:02<Zriyan>Linode 4GB, I will test it see what will happen...
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15:03<Zriyan>Can I test it for one day for free ????
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15:05<Zriyan>can I test Linode 4GB for only one day???
15:06<grawity>sure, you're billed hourly AFAIK
15:07<Zriyan>How about privacy policy??? Will you just handover my privacy information to any one asking for it???
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15:10<Woet>Zriyan: you are free to actually read the website you know
15:10<Zriyan>Yeah that is what I do now...
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15:53<tashi>whats the network speed or linode? as compare wth digitalocean?
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15:55<FluffyFoxeh>Linode's speeds are listed here
15:55<FluffyFoxeh>I don't know about DigitalOcean. their pricing page doesn't seem to mention it
15:55<tashi>digitalocean is promising 1gbps. But the actual network speed is 300 - 500 mbps
15:55<FluffyFoxeh>there's this also
15:55<tashi>digitalocean network sis not stable.
15:56<tashi>curl -s | python
15:56<tashi>i run this script to test network speed
15:57<FluffyFoxeh>the URL I posted lets you download files from Linode servers to see how fast it goes on your connection
15:58<tashi>can you run this script curl -s | python
15:58<tashi>and tell me the download and upload speed of linode
15:59<tashi>fast around mbps?
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16:00<tashi>can you run this script curl -s | python
16:00<tashi>and tell me how fast it is
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16:01<tashi>curl -s | python Retrieving configuration... Testing from DigitalOcean ( Retrieving server list... Selecting best server based on ping... Hosted by Unwired (San Francisco, CA) [5.93 km]: 5.678 ms Testing download speed................................................................................ Download: 413.17 Mbit/s Testing upload s
16:02<tashi>this is the result of DigitalOcean
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16:04<FluffyFoxeh>okay, now try wget -O /dev/null [URL]
16:04<FluffyFoxeh>with one of the files on
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16:05<tashi> this is useless
16:05<tashi>i am asking actual download speed
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16:05<tashi>curl -s | python . . run this script and tell me the speed
16:05<dwfreed>that's what the speedtest is for
16:06<dwfreed>what you'll actually see will be limited more by your source than anything else
16:06<dwfreed>and the current state of the internet at the time of your download
16:06<FluffyFoxeh>oh, he wants to know the download speed on a linode
16:06<FluffyFoxeh>Download: 900.08 Mbit/s
16:07<FluffyFoxeh>Upload: 709.83 Mbit/s
16:07<FluffyFoxeh>from Newark, NJ
16:07<dwfreed>most likely limited by the speedtest server more than Linode
16:07<dwfreed>or possibly whatever networks that transits
16:07<csnxs>basically, it's so fast it's going to be limited by the speeds of whoever's actually connecting to it
16:07<tashi>900.08 is stable? or changing
16:07<dwfreed>the internet is unstable
16:08<FluffyFoxeh>second run, different server: 1294.63 Mbit/s
16:08<FluffyFoxeh>third run, yet another different server: 597.62 Mbit/s
16:08<FluffyFoxeh>I don't think there's much you can deduce from this, however
16:08<tashi>DO droplet speed is unstable...changing from 400 mbit/s - 750 mbit/s randomly
16:08<FluffyFoxeh>the test conditions aren't stable so the results won't be either
16:09<tashi>okay seems both linode and DO are same
16:09<FluffyFoxeh>it's using different servers, different routes, every time
16:09<FluffyFoxeh>but that does not mean the connection is unstable
16:09<tashi>and thats harming average load timing
16:09<FluffyFoxeh>it means the internet isn't uniform
16:10<tashi>when you have 400 mbit/s download. The average load time is poor and your website performance is also poor due to it
16:10<csnxs>i don't think it matters, unless you have a connection that's greater than that of a linode
16:12<FluffyFoxeh>it is doubtful that the bottleneck on your website performance on this kind of hosting will be the network speed
16:12<FluffyFoxeh>it will almost always be something else like CPU or memory
16:13<csnxs>or just bad configuration/software
16:13<FluffyFoxeh>yeah, bad software will almsot always be the root cause
16:13<tashi>CPU and Memory consumption high when you have more than 200 live people on your website and poor network speed around 400 mbit/s
16:14<tashi>but when you have high speed around 900 mbit/s stable. Less memory and Cpu consumption
16:15<tashi>its because less threads and less task pending because high speed network
16:15<FluffyFoxeh>that is not how it works
16:15<FluffyFoxeh>bandwidth-starved applicatiosn don't consume more CPU. they would actually consume less due to more waiting
16:15<tashi>when you have poor speed....more running and pending tasks and CPU and Memory usage high cause poor performance
16:16<tashi>i am experiencing it by running 'htop' command
16:17<FluffyFoxeh>and what leads you to believe that the cause is slow network speed, rather than an inefficient application?
16:17<tashi>i am seeing it on htop result
16:18<FluffyFoxeh>htop may show you that an application is consuming CPU time, but it does not tell you why
16:18<tashi>whenever i test serverspeed and its low around 400mbit/s the htop result is high usage of CPU and memory and average load time is high. And poor performance
16:20<arlen>guess you know best
16:21<tashi>because of that i am asking linode is having stable download and upload speed around 800 mbit/s to 900 mbit/s anytime
16:21<tashi>DigitalOcean is not stable
16:21<FluffyFoxeh>You're saying "X and Y, therefore X causes Y", which is wrong. I think you should do a more thorough investigation.
16:22<tashi>and its harming website performance at peak time
16:25<tashi>good hardware configuration and stable hight network speed matter web performance, i guess
16:26<tashi>if you are saying i m wrong then i consider its my bad about server application configuration
16:27<FluffyFoxeh>I think that's a more likely scenario than low network throughput causing high CPU usage
16:31<tashi>yes....when you have 200 people live accessing your website driven by database. And if you have low network speed.. it will cause lots of pending tasks and it it increase the CPU and memory usage. Thus, low performance
16:31<tashi>when you have 200 people live accessing your website driven by database, at the same time.*
16:32<FluffyFoxeh>I can't say that's *impossible* but it sounds very unlikely
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16:32<tashi>i am sharing what i am experiencing. May be i am wrong too.
16:34<tashi>then tell me network speed like 1gbp/s is for what ??
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16:34<tashi>thats only for download file or streaming data ???
16:35<tashi>why we cant run high load website on 5 mbit/s to 10 mbit/s server speed??
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16:37<FluffyFoxeh>it's just the amount of data you can transfer per second. Whether it's enough depends on the application
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16:39<tashi>okay its complicate things
16:40<FluffyFoxeh>If you want to stream a 5Mbit/s video to 5 people at once without any stalling, you'd need to be able to send at least 25Mbit/s
16:41<tashi>but here i am having bad experience when i have low network speed around 400 mbit/s. During that time...server load is heavy and experiencing poor performance
16:42<Cromulent>it might not be about the speed but about the number of concurrent connections the server has to maintain
16:42<tashi>yes true
16:43<FluffyFoxeh>keep in mind that if you run a speedtest while the server is heavily loaded, the results may well be lower
16:43<Cromulent>having thousands of concurrent connections can slow things down
16:43<tashi>concurrent connections + poor speed harm web performance
16:45<tashi>Currently my server config is 16GG memory, 8CPU, 160GB disk. And 15 - 20 visitors /sec and 450 - 550 visitors /minute.
16:46<tashi>But when i have good network speed around 750mbit/s to 900mbit/s. My web performance is very good. Average load time is 3 sec - 6 sec.
16:47<Cromulent>6 second to load is good?
16:47<FluffyFoxeh>again, if the server is heavily loaded the speed might be lower *because* of that
16:48<tashi>And, when i have poor network speed around 150 mbit/s to 400 mbit/s . Web performance is very poor. Average load time is 20 sec - 55 sec.
16:49<tashi>again, if the server is heavily loaded the speed might be lower *because* of that ---- no point for this. Because i am talking about the same load of 15 - 20 visitors /sec and 450 - 550 visitors /minute.
16:50<tashi>but difference performace becuase of network speed.
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16:52<tashi>And 15 - 20 visitors /sec and 450 - 550 visitors /minute.......LIVE VISITORS*
16:57<dzho>oh, wait
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16:58<arlen>guess you'll need to get a dedicated server and your own fiber
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17:00<arlen>might need to build your own data center
17:00<tashi>what a good idea LOL
17:01<tashi>anyway guys. its good idea to run fail2ban + denyhosts together?
17:01<arlen>I prefer the none of the above
17:01<tashi>ufw + fail2ban + denyhosts harmful to sever load speed?
17:02<arlen>waste of resources
17:02<tashi>then whats good for DDOS protection?
17:02<tashi>DDOS and ssh attack protection?
17:03<arlen>use ssh keys and ignore the login attempts
17:03<dzho>or move it to a different port just to cut down on the log noise
17:03<tashi>yah but attackers keep trying on server may cause slow down server
17:03<tashi>what you say about it?
17:03<arlen>I say use keys and not worry about it
17:04<arlen>it's don't gonna slow anything
17:04<tashi>i am seeing lots of ssh attemp attack in my auth.log file
17:04<arlen>welcome to the internet
17:05<tashi>so i m feeling even i deny and blck those may cause slow down server
17:05<tashi>so i m wodering how to solve that issue
17:06<arlen>use keys and don't worry about the login attempts
17:06<arlen>issue solved
17:07<tashi>i am not worry about login attempts. I am worry about multiple keeping pinging on my 100s of fail attempts per sec. it may cause slow down server performance.
17:08<tashi>to deny connection...i am using denyhosts.
17:09<tashi>refuse connection to all those black listed Ips to save againts ddos attacks
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17:13<tashi>@in1t3r are you karthik?
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17:42<arlen>tashi: denyhosts won't stop a ddos attack
17:43<arlen>more likely to exacerbate the situation
17:43<tashi>u mean not a good idea to use denyhosts, right?
17:43<arlen>imo, correct
17:43<tashi>then how to auto blacklist IPs and block them?
17:44<tashi>any good idea for it?
17:44<arlen>why waste resources on automated scans?
17:44<tashi>yah true
17:44<tashi>good point
17:44<arlen>more likely to get yourself locked out accidentally
17:45<arlen>what about it?
17:45<tashi>ubuntu firewall
17:45<tashi>ufw and fail2ban?
17:46<arlen>ufw is just a frontend for iptables
17:46<arlen>I prefer to deal with iptables directly
17:46<tashi>ufw good to block all unwanted ports
17:47<tashi>like open 22, 80, 443 and block all other ports
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17:47<arlen>so is directly using iptables :)
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17:47<tashi>any experience with fail2ban?
17:47<arlen>same as denyhosts
17:47<arlen>waste of resources
17:47<tashi>i feel like using all those slowdown server load
17:48<tashi>isnt it?
17:48<tashi>it scan log files...access.log, auth.log etc and filter
17:48<arlen>everything said about denyhosts applies to fail2ban
17:48<tashi>scan use more cpu n memory
17:49<tashi>so feel like waste of resources and slowdown server because of all those applications
17:49<arlen>yup, again why waste resources on automated scans
17:49<tashi>then unmanage server without protection LOL
17:49<arlen>not at all
17:50<arlen>ssh keys
17:50<tashi>only ssh keys is enough to proctect server?
17:50<arlen>for ssh attacks, yes
17:51<tashi>okay yah i agree
17:51<tashi>i feel all those auto log files use more storage, am i right?
17:52<tashi>what about stop syslog, authlog etc
17:52<tashi>good idea or bad?
17:52<arlen>I leave them alone
17:52<tashi>i disabled postfix too
17:53<tashi>i have nothing to do with mails. so disable and uninstalled it
17:53<tashi>if you say so i m thinking to uninstall ufw too. what you say?
17:57<arlen>up to you
17:58<tashi>whats your server config?
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17:58<arlen>depends on the server and what it's being used for
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17:59<tashi>okay buddy...thanks for the tip
18:00*arlen nods
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18:27<Lee>do we still use sendmail? The linode documentation does not mention sendmail
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18:48<arlen>Lee: use whatever you want
18:48<arlen>dunno who we is
18:51<FluffyFoxeh>lol @ fail2ban for DDoS
18:51<FluffyFoxeh>won't do shit
18:52<FluffyFoxeh>except maybe fill up your iptables with garbage
18:52<FluffyFoxeh>(but probably not because DDoSers don't try to do SSH logins)
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19:08<FluffyFoxeh>of 548497 failed logins in the past month, 344 of them were for a username that exists on my system
19:09<FluffyFoxeh>not counting root.
19:12<FluffyFoxeh>they're getting the username wrong 99.94% of the time
19:20<Peng>Invalid user florence
19:20<Peng>Invalid user flynn
19:20<Peng>Invalid user francine
19:20<Peng>Missed FluffyFoxeh again!
19:38<encode> fail2ban is less relevant now that brute force attacks are distributed among a large number of IPs
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22:02<Lee>does anyone still use sendmail?
22:02<Lee>I've been using sendmail for over 20 years. should I switch?
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22:55<arlen>Lee: you should use whatever works best for you and your setup
22:58<Lee>what mailer do you use?
23:00<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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23:06<Lee>I read postfix requires a database and other services? as we know, sendmail uses plaintext files in /var/spool/mail
23:06<arlen>it doesn't
23:07<Lee>? what does it use then?
23:07<Lee>it uses google?
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23:10<arlen>of course not
23:10<arlen>im saying for you to use google
23:10<Lee>i did
23:11<arlen>ok then
23:11<Lee>i take it you dont know.
23:13<arlen>i do know
23:13<arlen>you can have it use a database if you want, but you don't have to
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23:24<Lee>anyone install xwin on a linode?
23:24<Lee>I did what the linode docs say to do and run xfce over glish. slow as hell.
23:25<Lee>and the mose pointer goes all over the place.
23:37<Lee>has anyone tried that chatbot? there's green question mark.
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