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00:06<geabenitez>Hello, I am planning to move from a shared hosting to a Linode 1GB, but I'm concerned about security, how can I make sure the security is at leas as good as a shared hosting?
00:09<relidy>geabenitez: https://www.linode.com/docs/security/securing-your-server
00:12<Peng>Shared hosting has good security?
00:12<rsdehart>TIL
00:13<Peng>I'm pretty sure at least one shared host uses grsecurity, actually.
00:13<Peng>but
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00:14<geabenitez>Relidy: thank you for the link.
00:15<blis>i reached out several months ago asking about whether or not linode will be providing an option for increased storage space (separate from increasing memory usage) I need more storage space, but without the increase in RAM usage. What is the status on this as it is still preventing me from migrating one of my servers to linode
00:15<Peng>well, block storage is in beta
00:16<geabenitez>Peng: Well, at least basic security I guess, I havent had any mayor issue with them so far. But now I'll implement websockets on one of my websites so I read will be better a fully managed server and a friend of mine strongly suggested Linode
00:16<blis>can you provide more info on block storage? will it be an additional partition that can be mounted to the linode?
00:17<Peng>blis: Yes. And there's a link in the channel topic.
00:17<Peng>blis: But it's network storage rather than local storage.
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00:19<blis>how well does read/write speed compare to the local storage read/write?
00:27<Zimsky>"at leas as good as a shared hosting?"
00:27<Zimsky>tfw shared hosting is used as a positive baseline for security
00:30<Zimsky>geabenitez: if you want to make sure the security as at least as good as the average of shared hosting, make sure all your applications run on outdated software, have RCE flaws, and mysql should be open to the internet
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00:32<arlen>!point Zimsky
00:32<linbot>arlen: Point given to zimsky. (8)
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00:36<geabenitez>Zimsky: Thank you, you made your point hahaha. I just saw the "Securing your server" video, I'll try the Linode 1GB. Just another question, how can I scan for viruses periodically? Can I set a recurrent task or similar?
00:37<Zimsky>fwiw I don't work for linode
00:38<Zimsky>virus scanning isn't really a commonplace thing
00:39<dcraig>https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ClamAV
00:39<dcraig>:D
00:41<kyhwana>You want something like tripware/auditd/yara, instead of just "AV"
00:41<kyhwana>and possibly ossec if you actually monitor stuff
00:45<geabenitez>Thank you for the suggestions.
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00:54<dcraig>you could run norton in wine
00:55<arlen>:-/
00:55<Zimsky>dcraig++
01:03<zifnab>my work mac has macafee
01:03<zifnab>its terrifying
01:03<zifnab>it constantly complains about arbitrary python shit i've written
01:03<zifnab>for about a week, kubectl was a 'virus'
01:03<dcraig>it knows you're up to no good
01:08<Lee>why do you run python on a desktop? and IDE?
01:08<zifnab>well, ide is vim, i could just do it on a server somewhere
01:08<zifnab>but that sounds more painful
01:09<Lee>so you vi your python scripts on your bsd based mac?
01:09<FluffyFoxeh>an average linux desktop probably has python running on it
01:10<Lee>ff, I know, I have python, php, and perl on my raspberrry pi
01:10<FluffyFoxeh>no I mean like, there are system services written in python just running in the background
01:10<dcraig>there's a python in the pi!
01:10<FluffyFoxeh>john 25155 0.0 0.4 798524 96200 ? Sl Aug13 0:52 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/linuxmint/mintUpdate/mintUpdate.py show
01:10<Lee>I was just curious as to why zifnab runs python on a desktop, no bad reason, just curiouss
01:11<zifnab>oh
01:11<zifnab>i'm a software engineer
01:11<zifnab>i write software
01:11<zifnab>thats about it
01:11<dcraig>"john"
01:11<FluffyFoxeh>that's m'name
01:11<zifnab>and by 'software engineer', i guess i technically mean devops, i spend most of the day writing code still though
01:12<FluffyFoxeh>shit my system's been running since august 13?
01:13<FluffyFoxeh>nope. July 7.
01:13<dcraig>that's like 3 weeks
01:13<Eugene>!uptime
01:13<FluffyFoxeh>2017-07-07 18:04:39
01:13<dcraig>omg
01:13<linbot>Eugene: I have been running for 3 days, 16 hours, 37 minutes, and 53 seconds.
01:13<FluffyFoxeh>so almost 2 months :p
01:13<Eugene>Have you tried turning it off and back on again
01:13<FluffyFoxeh>no
01:13<FluffyFoxeh>why would I do that
01:13<dcraig>your kernel is probably way out of date
01:13<Lee>I'm a subterranean engineer
01:14<FluffyFoxeh>dcraig: 4.12.0-rc5-drm-next-4.13-ttmpatch+
01:14<FluffyFoxeh>lol
01:14<FluffyFoxeh>4.13 drm-next branch with some of my patches on it
01:14<dcraig>wow, they're up to 4 now?
01:15<FluffyFoxeh>they have been for like 2 years
01:15<MrPPS>haha
01:17<Lee>jajaja
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01:20<zifnab>dcraig: technically this line should be 2.10, but they dropped the old naming scheme because it was irrelevant
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01:21<zifnab>i think, maybe 2.8
01:23<dcraig>I thought linus just woke up one morning and decided he wanted bigger version numbers
01:23<zifnab>had to look, 2.6.40 became 3.0, 2.6.41 became 3.1
01:24<zifnab>yes, thats what it appears like
01:25<zifnab>went from 2.major.minor.{bugfix,backport} to major.minor.backport
01:26<zifnab>which isn't even actually valid, the 3 and 4 are meaningless, its just "3.20 is too large"
01:26<zifnab>https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/jmtzzLiiejc
01:29<zifnab>tbf it makes sense, they'd only increment the 2 on a major architectural change, which isn't going to happen again i'd wager
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02:03<Lee>from what I remember, many years ago, Linus decided that 2.6.37.6 was too difficult for people to understand, so he went with 3.0
02:04<Lee>problem is, 3.1, 3.2, 3.8, etc is not very meaningful.
02:04<Lee>2.6.x.x is the stable kernel. 2.7.x.x is the developmental kernel.
02:05<Lee>and each patch was the least significant number
02:05<Lee>so kernel version 2 has been around for more than a decade
02:06<Lee>I think that's how it was based on memory.
02:10*dcraig tickles lee around a bit with a large sandperch
02:27<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Looks like... <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11388&p=74432#p74432>
02:28<FluffyFoxeh>I read "sandwich"
02:29<rsdehart>I'd like a sandwich, but I'm about to content myself with curry
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02:38<Zimsky>hurry for that curry
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03:27<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Quotas problem on CentOS 6.2 64bit <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8294&p=74433#p74433>
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05:58<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • PING returns IP of one of my other servers for a non-existent domain <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15154&p=74434#p74434>
06:08<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • PING returns IP of one of my other servers for a non-existent domain <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15154&p=74435#p74435>
06:18<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • PING returns IP of one of my other servers for a non-existent domain <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15154&p=74436#p74436>
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06:33<teolaz>hi everyone
06:33<teolaz>anyone online?
06:33<millisa>several people
06:33<millisa>greetings
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06:58<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • Implement spam protection in this forum! <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15137&p=74437#p74437>
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07:05<Megaf>Hi all
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07:08<millisa>greetings
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07:18<somchay_teddy_e>hello
07:18<millisa>hi
07:18<somchay_teddy_e>is this linode?
07:18<millisa>it's an irc channel about linode...
07:18<somchay_teddy_e>i'm trying to find out how i get refunded?
07:19<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-payments#canceling-your-account probably is relevant
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07:43<surender>Hi
07:43<surender>i am not able to connect to my ip by ssh
07:43<surender>can some one help
07:43<millisa>Can you connect via lish?
07:44<surender>i did not try
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07:44<surender>but it says connection time out
07:44<millisa>Try connecting via lish?
07:44<surender>one moment
07:45<surender>yes i am able to connect
07:46<surender>but not public ip to ssh
07:46<millisa>from the lish console, can you reach things out on the internet?
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07:46<surender>like
07:47<surender>i did not get it
07:47<surender>pls help me out
07:47<millisa>You did not get what?
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07:48<surender>reach things out internet
07:48<surender>i pinged google
07:48<surender>and it is working means it replies
07:49<millisa>Then it sounds like your linode's networking is fine, you probably want to check your firewall.
07:49<millisa>Use the lish console to check your logs to see if something there is denying your access
07:49<surender>what is the command
07:49<surender>for checking logs
07:50<millisa>I like using cat, grep, and tail...
07:51<surender>thanks let me check
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07:53<surender>default automatic helper assignment has been turned off for security rea sons and CT-based firewall rule not found. Use the iptables CT target to attach helpers instead.
07:53<surender>this is in logs
07:53<surender>is this wrong
07:53<grawity>well, it's not lying
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08:25<dzho>millisa: what do you use cat for?
08:26<millisa>mostly to be sure I'm looking at a file that *might* contain data I think I'm looking for when grep doesn't find anything...
08:27<dzho>you don't use a pager for that?
08:28<millisa>sometimes.
08:28<dzho>(this isn't meant to be a gotcha--well ok not a huge one at least--just wondering if there's something I'm missing 'bout cat)
08:28<millisa>doubt you are missing anything. it's mostly old habit.
08:29*jhaas definitely doesn't still do "cat file.txt | grep pattern" sometimes
08:29<millisa>i was just about to type that...
08:29<dzho>that said, I use the hell out of 'tac'
08:30<dzho>tac logfile | less
08:30<dzho>that way I can just page through stuff, starting with most recent.
08:31<@jhaas>LIT
08:31<dzho>then if/when I find what I was missing, I can search forward if necessary with a pager or use grep, maybe with context (-A -B or -C)
08:32<dzho>that's in GNU coreutils, I found BSDs tend not to have it, then, but their version of tail has the -r switch.
08:33<dzho>what's sad is that GNU tail doesn't have -r, so one can't just pick one.
08:40<Zimsky>you can also use cat for violin string
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08:52<Cromulent>hmm I'm just starting to get into Docker on my dev machine (yeah I know I'm late to the party) but I'm wondering if I can use Docker to automatically pull code from github on commits and run unit and functional tests and somehow display the results on a website or something so I can make sure new commits don't break things
08:52<Cromulent>I guess Jenkins might be what I am looking for?
08:53<Cromulent>in a container
08:53<Cromulent>I'm not really that hot on automated testing a sys admin stuff when it comes to docker
08:53<Cromulent>and*
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09:17<kk>payment method details?
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09:18<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-payments ?
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09:48<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Can't connect to SSH using private IP <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15157&p=74438#p74438>
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10:24<Cromulent>!distros
10:24<linbot>https://www.linode.com/distributions
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11:24<Unbounce3>any linode support staff here?
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11:26<smallclone>wow, ten seconds
11:28<dzho>but I'm back to seeing it happen in full this time! 15:24 -!- Unbounce3 [~oftc-webi@cpc96286-lewi18-2-0-cust375.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has quit []
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12:49<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Network performance are terrible and worsened over the last time... <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14908&p=74439#p74439>
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13:09<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • PING returns IP of one of my other servers for a non-existent domain <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15154&p=74440#p74440>
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13:15<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
13:19<synfinatic>Nobody could of seen this coming I tell you: https://www.juicero.com/company-news/
13:20<millisa>this one is my favorite take apart: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cp-BGQfpHQ
13:21<millisa>the insides are very pretty
13:22<synfinatic>dude totally abuses his tools
13:23<millisa>he appears to actually know quite a bit, despite what he's doing. it gets interesting.
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13:33<carlos_>boa tarde
13:36<millisa>greetings
13:39<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • [SOLVED] Can't connect to SSH using private IP <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15157&p=74438#p74438>
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13:49<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • PING returns IP of one of my other servers for a non-existent domain <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15154&p=74441#p74441>
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13:59<john>hello
13:59<millisa>greetings
14:00<john>how can i access ftp ?
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14:00<millisa>you'd have to run an ftp service, open the ports, setup the accounts, then use an ftp client.
14:00<john>can you please help me ?
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14:01<john>from where I have to start ?
14:01<millisa>consider using sftp. There's a doc on that here: https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/file-transfer/filezilla
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14:02<john>I have filezila on my pc
14:03<john>but in my dashboard I cannot see the option for ftp
14:05<john>can you please help me ?
14:05<millisa>did you read the doc?
14:05<john>yes \
14:05<millisa>what part are you stuck on?
14:06<john>in the document there is told to download filezila
14:06<john>I am confused how to install ftp on server
14:07<millisa>It connects via ssh
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14:08<john>please tell me the steps
14:09<millisa>they are in that doc, start with step 1. https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/file-transfer/filezilla#using-filezilla
14:10<john>I have to run this command ?
14:10<john>sudo yum install filezilla
14:11<Cromulent>no you install filezilla on your client computer - I am assuming you are using Windows or Mac OS X on that
14:11<john>how can I find my linode IP ?I am using windows
14:11<john>I have filezila on my system
14:11<john>whats next ?
14:12<synfinatic>Step #2 in that doc millisa gave you
14:12<synfinatic>then do Step #3
14:12<synfinatic>followed by Step #4
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14:13<synfinatic>(hint: there is a pattern to this)
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14:14<john>how can I find my host IP ?
14:14<synfinatic>login to the linode web console. it's listed there
14:14<Cromulent>it is shown on the remote access tab in your linode control panel
14:16<john>I am on dashboard
14:16<john>where I have to go ?
14:16<synfinatic>click on the name of your linode
14:16<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/getting-started#find-the-ip-address-of-your-linode
14:16<synfinatic>wait, it's right there
14:17<synfinatic>as in when you login, it's listed on that screen. to the right of the name of the linode you launched
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16:15<rajivbarton>-.-
16:15<Woet>good start
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16:19<synfinatic>i wonder if john ever figured out how to transfer a file
16:20<synfinatic>people like that make me want to start with Step 0: Reboot your computer, cable modem and wifi router
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16:34<ryu>could a user see all outbound requests my server is making?
16:36<dzho>a server answers outbound requests, a client makes them
16:36<dzho>well, answers incoming requests
16:37<ryu>well my server is making api google to google to validate tokens could it be possible for someone to monitor all outgoing data ?
16:38<dzho>these are computers, so yes, it's *possible*
16:38<dzho>how likely it is, and if it in fact is happening, are things that depend on the specifics of your software
16:38<dzho>but usually that's to be avoided
16:39<ryu>how can i safeguard against this ?
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16:40<dzho>ryu: that's the billion dollar question. The usual answers are along the lines of: Be careful what software you install, how you install it, make sure it is up-to-date with security patches, etc.
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16:40<Woet>ryu: SSL.
16:43<ryu>I was just curious b/c i'll have to send tokens to google un-encrypted because this php library is a piece of crap
16:45<dzho>ug
16:45<dzho>h
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16:51<Kwagner_Reality>Any Linode sysadmins on?
16:52<smallclone>!ops
16:52<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: https://www.linode.com/contact
16:52<smallclone>i'd just go ahead and ask your question
16:53<ryu>i once restarted apache so im pretty much a sys admin
16:54<Kwagner_Reality>We've a dozen Linodes in Dallas. Half of them are shoing that their backups are under maintenance, as some backups failed. We have tickets in to get info, but not getting responses. Wondering what's up, as it's affectiong our doing some pushes.
16:54<smallclone>they're not going to discuss anything account related over irc - if it's urgent, you should give them a call
16:55<smallclone>you'll need the last six digits of the credit card on file to authenticate yourself
16:56<Woet>Kwagner_Reality: "not getting responses" means you've been waiting for 5 minutes i'm guessing?
16:56<smallclone>if there is in fact some kind of widespread maintenance going on, it's likely that response times have shot up
16:56<Kwagner_Reality>Over 3 hours now, Woet.
16:57<Woet>lol
16:57<dwfreed>Linode Support response times during the 9-5 business day in the US can be higher than usual
16:57<Woet>i dont know why people think a company with an entry price of $5 a month has some kind of 30 minute SLA
16:58<dwfreed>Woet: to be fair, Linode used to maintain that level of response time no matter what time of day it was
16:58<Woet>yea but it was never guaranteed
16:58<smallclone>when they had way, way fewer customers
16:58<Woet>and hence you should never rely on it
16:58<dwfreed>but the introduction of the $10 and $5 plan threw that out the window
16:58<Woet>i'm happy if my ISP responds within a week
16:58<Woet>and i pay them $120 a month
16:58<synfinatic>"happy"
16:58<dwfreed>sounds like Comcast
16:59<dzho>Woet: let your low expectations be a guide to us all
16:59<synfinatic>I was about to say that even Comcast isn't that bad :)
16:59<Woet>dzho: i just dont have any expectations if i'm not paying for a SLA
16:59<dzho>attachment leads to suffering
16:59<dzho>then why pay at all?
16:59<synfinatic>i just expect the Internet to never go down so I have no need to talk to support
16:59<dzho>just how low of a bar are you planning to set, here?
17:00<smallclone>let's set Vultr support as the bar, I would rate them somewhere around comcast
17:00<smallclone>actually, maybe lower. if you compare Linode support to them, it's pretty favorable.
17:00<dzho>"oh hi I just burned this €50 note for nothing lol"
17:01<synfinatic>that said, the quality of Linode support is much better then Comcast
17:01*dzho guesses they burn, hard to know with all that space age material in 'em
17:01<synfinatic>but that just may be due to Comcast's back end systems are totally fubar from what can gather
17:02<smallclone>if you're using a VPS provider, you should operate under the assumption that their support team is wading through "my web app doesn't work i didn't touch anything what did you do??!!" tickets while trying to get to the customers they can actually help
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17:32<MarioGuaqueta>Good afternoon
17:33<MarioGuaqueta>some one knows how can open some port to my server?
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17:34<dzho>MarioGuaqueta: they are all open by default, as far as Linode is concerned.
17:34<dzho>the rest is up to the software you choose to install.
17:34<dzho>and how you configure it.
17:36<MarioGuaqueta>I have nginx and intent to configure two services in differents ports, but my server recive packets to this port and not do any thing
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17:47<Woet>http://www.arianespace.com/mission/ariane-flight-va239/ - 5 minutes
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17:53<smallclone>Woet: welp that was disappinting
17:53<Woet>it sure was
17:53<dzho>they lit up the main engine, so I think they will not go to space today.
17:54<dzho>but who knows, maybe that's the sort of thing you can do a quick turnaround on
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18:16<mike_c>hi i changed my dns settings to my new domain name but it's not working correct
18:18<relidy>mike_c: If you're using the Linode DNS service, it'll take roughly 15 minutes for changes to become publicly visible.
18:20<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Network performance are terrible and worsened over the last time... <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14908&p=74444#p74444>
18:20<Peng>what domain? What changes? When did you make them? What's happening? What should be happening?
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18:38<mike_c>real talk though can i rename the linodes in my dashboard linode92813813813 doesn't really help me when i have a lot of them
18:39<smallclone>yeah of course you can
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18:40<mike_c>ah ok i found it
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18:54<mike_c>does increasing my server ram make my site load faster?
18:56<Peng>Maybe
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20:00<mike_c>hi my domain name is redirecting to a different domain even though i have specified it correctly in my zone
20:00<mike_c>should i just wait for it to propagate or is there some error?
20:02<Peng>What?
20:07<mike_c>so mysite.com is redirecting to another site i have in my linode
20:08<ponas>sounds like your webserver is configured incorrectly
20:08<mike_c>i thought i messed up the dns addresses but they are pointing to the correct linode
20:09<mike_c>that wouldnt really make sense
20:10<mike_c>there is a redirect somewhere but it's not on the webserver
20:10<ponas>if it's not your webserver redirecting it's probably your browser caching a redirect
20:13<ponas>my bet is still on your webserver not being configured to handle the domain name you feel is redirecting
20:17<mike_c>it's working now looks like it just took time
20:18<mike_c>i believe i had it pointing to an incorrect address at first
20:18<Lee>dns propagates in a few minutes to two days
20:18<mike_c>who are these people buying .io addresses for 60 bucks?
20:19<Lee>probably people with two legs
20:24<ponas>people with 60 bucks
20:25<ponas>I know some of the 1 or 2 digit ones were auctioned off for $60,000++
20:25<mike_c>can anyone claim an extension address or how does it work?
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20:29<Peng>The British Indian Ocean Terroritory will sell second-level domains to anyone with money.
20:30<Peng>"Terroritory" :(
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20:59<Cromulent>I really need to sit down and properly read the docker documentation - I feel like I am missing something - like how do you upgrade a docker container with a database server in it to the latest version whilst keeping your database and data intact for when deploying your website?
21:00<atrus>Cromulent: how do you upgrade a database server with data in in without docker?
21:02<Cromulent>hmm https://stackoverflow.com/questions/26734402/how-to-upgrade-docker-container-after-its-image-changed
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21:19<Frank__>Hello
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21:20<Frank__>I just created my wordpress website in Linode,but it shows some problems when operating
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21:21<Frank__>1.Unable to creat directory wp-content/uploads/2017/09.Is it parent directory writable by the server ?
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21:23<Frank__>2.To perform the requested action,wordpress needs to access your web server,pls enter your FTP credentials to proceed.if you don't remember your credentials,you should contact your web host
21:24<Frank__>Well,i never encounter this situation before
21:25<Frank__>Can you help me with these?
21:25<arlen>what do you need help with?
21:27<Frank__>1.Unable to creat directory wp-content/uploads/2017/09.Is it parent directory writable by the server ?
21:27<Frank__>When i upload the theme or plugins,
21:27<FluffyFoxeh>Make sure Apache or nginx or whatever httpd you use can write to that directory?
21:28<FluffyFoxeh>maybe look up what kind of permissions things in the wordpress directory should have
21:28<Frank__>How to set these?
21:28<arlen>chmod
21:28<arlen>chown
21:28<arlen>google
21:29<FluffyFoxeh>https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/introduction-to-linux-concepts/
21:29<FluffyFoxeh>https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/linux-users-and-groups
21:29<Frank__>Ok,the second problem is 2.To perform the requested action,wordpress needs to access your web server,pls enter your FTP credentials to proceed.if you don't remember your credentials,you should contact your web host
21:29<Frank__>I didn't creat FTP account
21:31<MrPPS>you've got the wrong permissions on the filesystem
21:31<MrPPS>for number 1.
21:33<Frank__>Ok,i always using shared hosting,not very familar with VPS
21:33<Frank__>Feel a little difficult with this
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22:34<SwadeNet>I'm looking for help setting up my website on my vps
22:35<SwadeNet>If anyone can help I will be paying
22:35<MrPPS>Frank__: You'll need to set up vsftpd or a similar ftp daemon if you need ftp working on your VPS
22:35<SwadeNet>That's the issue I've never set that up before.
22:36<MrPPS>SwadeNet: sorry, was talking to Frank__ :)
22:36<SwadeNet>Ahh ok
22:36<MrPPS>SwadeNet: but if you need help with setting up a website, is there something specific you were struggling with? or just the whole concept/website?
22:36<SwadeNet>Just the whole thing as I've never set it up on a vps before
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22:37<MrPPS>Oh
22:37<MrPPS>well
22:38<MrPPS>bye
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22:38<MrPPS>ah, you're back :)
22:38<MrPPS>so, the basic concept is
22:39<Swadenet>Plus I think I have to install licence for https
22:39<MrPPS>you need to install your web server software (i.e. apache/nginx/etc), the language relevant to your particular website (for example, maybe php, python, etc), enable that language in your web server if relevant, and install + configure database software as well (if required - i.e. mariadb)
22:39<MrPPS>and if you need HTTPS, you'll need to buy an SSL certificate
22:39<MrPPS>however, if I can be frank for a moment
22:39<MrPPS>if you're not familiar with websites + web hosting + how SSL works, VPS may be a little advanced for you to start with
22:40<MrPPS>obviously, your choice, but just keep in mind if you're doing this for business/money, you may be in over your head
22:40<MrPPS>Just some friendly advice! There are people in here willing to set stuff up for you if you pay as well (as yo u mentioned), or there are linode "managed services"
22:40<Swadenet>No it's for a small community we have a teamspeak server and need the website
22:41<MrPPS>Or professional services (managed is incident response, professional they do work like this for you)
22:41<MrPPS>https://www.linode.com/professional-services https://www.linode.com/managed
22:41<Swadenet>I'm willing to pay just don't want the linode services it's too much lol
22:41<MrPPS>Here's an overview of what's involved in setting up a website: https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/hosting-a-website
22:42<MrPPS>Swadenet: What sort of a website are you looking at setting up? One you've built, or something like a forum/wordpress/etc?
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22:43<Swadenet>Sorry about that
22:44<MrPPS>That's okay - just in case you didn't see it, I asked what sort of website you were looking at setting up?
22:44<MrPPS>Something like a forum/bulletin board, or wordpress, or something you've pre-built?
22:45<Swadenet>A Invision power board for website
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22:45<MrPPS>Swadenet: Mind if I PM you for a moment?
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22:45<Swadenet>It's a forums layout
22:46<Swadenet>Sure no problem.
22:48<Zimsky>Swadenet: do you use discord
22:48<Swadenet>No I dont
22:48<Zimsky>good
22:49<Zimsky>thank you for not contributing to the destruction of society
22:49<Zimsky>MrPPS: why would one need to buy an ssl cert in this day and age
22:49<Zimsky>when we have things like letsencrypt
22:49<MrPPS>Indeed
22:49<MrPPS>Just clarifying it wasn't "buying an SSL license"
22:49<nate>For OV? EV? W
22:50<Zimsky>EV is pointless
22:50<nate>*Wildcard?
22:50<Zimsky>wildcard is unnecessary
22:50<nate>For most using linode perhaps sure :P
22:50<nate>And wildcard is definitely not unnecessary if you don't feel like doing dozens of certificates lol
22:50<Zimsky>that's why you automate it
22:50<nate>LE wouldn't be trying to implement wildcards if they were
22:50<nate>it's still a mess of automation, and one I'm sure LE doesn't care for when people are suddenly doing dozens of certificates all at once
22:50<Zimsky>how is it a mess of automation?
22:51<Zimsky>use DNS verification, get it validated and signed, done
22:51<FluffyFoxeh>for loops are a wonderful thing
22:51<Zimsky>^
22:51<HoopyCat>if every pork chop were perfect, we wouldn't have certificate authorities
22:52<nate>Assuming none fail or any variety of other issues that might come up, then you have to potentially individually manage a bunch of them
22:52<Zimsky>not if you don't suck at automation
22:52<nate>Again, LE wouldn't be trying to implement them as well if they were truly unnecessary
22:52<Zimsky>yeah they would
22:52<Zimsky>LE isn't the authority of sense
22:52<FluffyFoxeh>also it's possible for something to be easier or more convenient but not strictly necessary
22:52<FluffyFoxeh>so maybe that's why
22:52<nate>Right, I'm sure they totally just love people hammering them with hundreds of requests on something that might be done in a single one
22:52<nate>makes sense
22:52<nate>lol
22:53<Zimsky>when LE allows me to do wildcard certs, I'll do wildcard certs
22:53<Zimsky>but at the moment, since they don't, I'll just automate multiple certs
22:53<Zimsky>you shouldn't buy wildcard certs though
22:53<nate>You would use something completely unnecessary? Say it isn't so :P
22:54<Zimsky>nate, usually I can tolerate your ignorance, but you're not making sense
22:55<nate>Well you were the one stating wildcards are unnecessary so broadly
22:55<Zimsky>I'm not
22:55<Zimsky><Zimsky> wildcard is unnecessary
22:55<Zimsky>s/$/ in this context
22:55<Zimsky>there you go
22:55<FluffyFoxeh>/
22:55<Zimsky>invalid sed but whatever
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22:57<Zimsky>nate: actually, thinking about it some more, I actually stand by that broad statement. There's no operational requirement that /needs/ a wildcard certificate. You could use 500,000 individual certs for each subdomain, and it might get tedious (if not properly automated), but it can work
22:57<Zimsky>wildcard certs would only allow for simplicity in prod code
22:58<HoopyCat>it's pointless tho when we have wildcard certs as a thing
22:58<Zimsky>HoopyCat: not free ones
22:58<HoopyCat>Wildcard Certs as a Thing (WCaaT)
22:59<Zimsky>why not spend that $50-$100 on a nice chair or heaps of pancakes
22:59<HoopyCat>once you're poppin' half a mil of something, it might be a great time to consider a wee bit of monetizing
22:59<Peng>Zimsky: It's nice to be able to provision new subdomains instantly, without relying on your CA being up or fast.
22:59<HoopyCat>also, ^^^^^^^
23:00<Zimsky>Peng, but we have CAs that are up and fast as a thing
23:00<dwfreed>LE doesn't have 100% availability
23:00<dwfreed>(that's impossible)
23:00<Zimsky>not with that attitude
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23:08<Peng>.io is the 4th most popular TLD by traffic according to OpenDNS
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