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---Logopened Fri Sep 08 00:00:47 2017
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00:54<Zimsky>dzho: righteous?
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02:21<sandesh>I am unable to boot system
02:21<sandesh>I am again and again getting
02:21<sandesh> Access violation I'm sorry, but you've triggered our Cross-Site Request Forgery (CSRF) prevention measure. Please don't use the back-button to resubmit an already-submitted form.
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02:23<Zimsky>did you use the back button to resubmit an already-submitted form?
02:23<Zimsky>sounds like a browser issue
02:24<rsdehart>sandesh: are you using the back button to resubmit an already-submitted form?
02:25<sandesh>suggent me browser
02:25<sandesh>suggest me browser
02:25<sandesh>which browser can i use?
02:27<rsdehart>which browser do you normally use?
02:27<rsdehart>ideally, whichever one that is should hopefully work fine
02:27<FluffyFoxeh>whichever one it is, maybe try clearing the cache and cookies and such
02:28<sandesh>thanks i done
02:28<sandesh>have any idea how to host our site ?
02:29<Zimsky>maybe use a web server
02:29<sandesh>i am using servlet & jsp
02:29<Zimsky>jsp sounds horrible
02:31<FluffyFoxeh>Zimsky: you need more Java in your life
02:31<Zimsky>FluffyFoxeh: tread lightly.
02:31<sandesh>I am java developer and
02:32<sandesh>above link use the php
02:32<Zimsky>I'm a java developer too, but then I discovered there were languages that didn't make me want to throw myself off a cliff
02:33<FluffyFoxeh>Much of the above guide is language agnostic actually
02:34<sandesh>I want run our site on tomcat any link on google please suggest me i am fresher for hosting related
02:35<Zimsky>you could google it yourself
02:35<Zimsky>there's no difference between me googling it and you googling it
02:36<MrPPS>You'll probably learn how to google better if you do it yourself too, sandesh :)
02:36<FluffyFoxeh>Zimsky: what's your Googling level?
02:36<FluffyFoxeh>wow that's pretty low
02:36<Zimsky>1 is the highest
02:36<Zimsky>lol FluffyFoxeh you don't even understand the scale
02:36<Zimsky>$ git gud
02:38<sandesh>If can i do all then why ask to you?
02:38<grawity>why indeed
02:39<Zimsky>sounds like something to figure out
02:39<Zimsky>use your google-fu
02:40<sandesh>thanks for suggestion
02:40<arlen>you're welcome
02:41<FluffyFoxeh>arlen u lurking
02:42<Zimsky>don't do that
02:42<FluffyFoxeh>Zimsky: you caused me a giggle fit
02:43<Zimsky>i was hoping for a seizure
02:43<arlen>sorry to disappoint
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02:58<Zimsky>FluffyFoxeh: are you fucking sorry?
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03:25<for_test>Hello, can I add additional disk space server?
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03:25<for_test>and how much it cost
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03:32<Peng>You can upgrade to the next largest plan, or try the block storage that's in beta
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04:00<manuelC>Hello, do you support IP-addresses from different countries?
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04:05<Zimsky>and yes
04:06<manuelC>Another hosting company said "IP addresses from over 114 c-nets from all countries for as little as $1.25 per month - per IP!"
04:07<Zimsky>if you're talking about IP classes
04:07<Zimsky>they don't matter
04:08<Zimsky>manuelC: why does a bicycle chain not have relevance to this
04:13<manuelC>haha, you're a funny guy
04:13<Zimsky>I don't know if any parts of that sentence are true
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07:04<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • HELP! Cannot get 123-reg SSL Certificate activate on my Linode server <>
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09:44<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • CDN hosting <>
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10:15<KnittySteve>Hey everyone. Our account has 3 users. When a support email is sent out, all 3 receive it. I was wondering if there was a way to change that so that 1 of those accounts doesn't receive the emails
10:15<KnittySteve>Or do I just have to delete that user?
10:15<dwfreed>all unrestricted users will receive all support emails
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10:16<KnittySteve>Okay, I'll just restrict that user
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10:44<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • firewalld failed to reload <>
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11:48<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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11:50<visitor002>Question about hourly billing: Is the quoted price essentially the minimum until you go over the threshold? You'll never pay less for using less resources?
11:50<visitor002>Ex: If I go with the 4GB plan and realize I could have just used the 1GB plan, I'll be billed hourly at $.03 until I change it?
11:51<hawk>You'll pay for whatever plan you are uinsg
11:51<Eugene>You are billed for each hour that your LInode exists. If you change plans, you will be changed that hourly rate. There is a montly Cap(roughly equivalent to 28 days usage) on plan costs.
11:51<grawity>linodes are fixed-size KVMs, so doesn't matter how much RAM you use exactly – the whole linode still has the full amount reserved
11:52<visitor002>Thanks! That makes sense.
11:53<DanielNM_>Linodin' by the hour
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11:53<grawity>please no unscheduled Eugening
11:53<FluffyFoxeh>also the plan sizes aren't a "threshold", they're a limit. you can use no more than 4GB on a 4GB plan
11:56<visitor002>Okay, good clarification. But transfer quota is a threshold that you can exceed. (At a cost)
11:57<visitor002>The sentence, "You may receive a mid-month bill from Linode if you reach a certain threshold of Linode services used within a single month" is a bit confusing in that regard.
11:57<grawity>(the advantage of fixed-size is you don't get oversold into oblivion, I assume)
11:57<visitor002>Unless I'm misunderstanding something.
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11:58<FluffyFoxeh>ah. that means that if your bill reaches say $50 before the middle of the month, they'll bill you early.
11:58<grawity>visitor002: IIRC it's if you go over $50 worth of usage on a brand new account
11:58<veronikapap>Hey guys, I'm looking for some help about my account
11:58<millisa>visitor002: some new accounts end up getting billed at a certain amount mid month; normally you only get billed once a month. example: I'm a new customer, I spin up 10 new linodes. Linode bills me anytime I hit $50 in charges.
11:58<visitor002>Aah, which would be a good hint that you need to upgrade your plan.
11:58<millisa>Eventually they loosen that up and either remove it entirely or bump the threshold (I have one customer that still has a $500 threshold)
11:59<DanielNM>!to veronikapap ask
11:59<linbot>veronikapap: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
11:59<FluffyFoxeh>visitor002: no, it just means that they don't want you running up a big tab
12:01<FluffyFoxeh>in case you run away and don't pay :)
12:01<visitor002>FluffyFoxeh: So is $50 the threshold, or does it depend on your plan? Because some plans are > $50 out of the gate.
12:01<millisa>depends on you mostly.
12:01<visitor002>Sweet, I get to decide? :)
12:02<millisa>no, I mean whether they bill you midmonth or not depends on you, or if something gets flagged about you or your payment method.
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12:02<@mcintosh>that limit is the same default for everyone - we can likely raise it for you if you open a ticket
12:02<FluffyFoxeh>all they're saying is that if whatever plan (or plans; you can have more than one linode) causes you to incur a large balance before the end of the month, they may bill you early
12:02<millisa>if you are one that gets the $50 threshold and you pick out a giant linode; it's possibly you might get billed every couple days
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12:05<visitor002>Billed every couple days?
12:06<millisa>can be. here I have an example of one from this year
12:07<millisa>They had a $50 limit initially, but had about $500/month in linodes provisioned. So they got billed every couple days. Sometime near the end of February they loosened that up
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12:07<FluffyFoxeh>every hour that a linode is on your account costs money. that money is added to your balance. you pay off the balance at the end of the billing cycle, OR if your balance exceeds a threshold (which is what we've been discussing)
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12:08<millisa>(in that screenshot, around February, the customer decided to make some $400 prepayments to avoid seeing as many charges, too; but didn't do it last month and you can see them hit a $500 threshold on 8/28)
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12:10<visitor002>millisa: And 17 bills (if I counted correctly) in Jan. Do you have auto payments or something set up?
12:11<millisa>you register with a cc when you signup
12:11<visitor002>So auto billing is required?
12:11<millisa>you can prepay if you want
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12:13<visitor002>Is this sort of billing more common and I've just never encountered it?
12:13<millisa>common for most of the big cloud providers
12:14<FluffyFoxeh>yeah it's pretty standard
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12:16<visitor002>Interesting. Well, thanks. My mind is a little blown. I'm sure in an hour or two when it settles in it will make a whole lot of sense. :)
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12:17<millisa> and would be useful (though based on a few of the questions, I'm assuming you were probably already looking at both)
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12:18<visitor002>Awesome, thanks.
12:19<visitor002>In your opinion, what are the best parts of Linode compared to other similar providers?
12:19<millisa>The irc channel of course.
12:19<visitor002>Yes, clearly!! :)
12:19<react>visitor002: cheap, semi-stable compute/networking
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12:20<millisa>(the support mostly; some of them bum around here, they are fairly responsive on tickets, and the few times I've had to call, someone knowledgable is usually the first one to pickup the phone)
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12:20<visitor002>millisa: That's great to hear. Good support is a huge plus IMO.
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12:21<visitor002>react: semi-stable?
12:23<FluffyFoxeh>it's been rock stable for me
12:23<react>visitor002: it's a shared tenancy environment, you have neighbors which can be potentially disruptive to your stability
12:24<react>personally, I have daily monitoring alerts, so much so, it's become background radiation; YMMV
12:24<FluffyFoxeh>monitoring alerts?
12:25<FluffyFoxeh>like hardware issues or what?
12:25<visitor002>I have to admit I'm not a sys admin, but how would shared tenancy work on a virtual Linode?
12:25<grawity>the Linode itself is the tenant
12:25<grawity>the linode*
12:26<FluffyFoxeh>the physical machine has multiple linodes running on it
12:26<FluffyFoxeh>they can't interact with each other directly but they share the same physical resources
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12:26<visitor002>Right, but isn't that sort of a layman explanation of how virtualization works?
12:26<grawity>it is
12:27<react>I have a distributed monitoring infrastructure which does periodic health checks from several parts of the planet, daily alerts is a thing for me, that being said, I'm a happy customer, internet is the internet
12:27<millisa>psh. just one planet? amateur.
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12:28<react>if we ignore xmas 2015 and the great internal hack saga, it's a mostly stable experience
12:28<millisa>there was that power event in Atlanta this past year.
12:28<millisa>er, I think it was Atlanta?
12:29<react>again very happy with the platform visitor002 and you would probably too, especially if you have limited experience
12:29<millisa>visitor002: you can dig through to see their past events.
12:29<visitor002>Awesome, this has actually been really helpful.
12:29<react>visitor002: keep in mind, the platform is missing a lot of the more enterprise features other vendors have
12:30<react>visitor002: but if you need raw compute/network on the cheap, you're in good hands here
12:30<FluffyFoxeh>curious, what are these enterprise features?
12:32<millisa>private networking is one I miss.
12:32<react>managed relational and non-relational services, enterprise grade IAM, object storage, hadoop and spark offerings, data warehousing, managed containers services / kubernetes, the list is too long
12:33<react>FluffyFoxeh ^, always forget to prefix my replies ha
12:33<react>millisa: that's a great point, conceptual VPC
12:34<FluffyFoxeh>oh. I don't even know what most of those words mean
12:34<visitor002>Haha. Okay, so I'm not alone FluffyFoxeh. :P
12:34<visitor002>(Also not a sys admin really. Web dev here.)
12:35<millisa>DO had an early announcement about a new object store they are doing; was last week I think?
12:35<FluffyFoxeh>I've been doing personal servers for years. never enterprise though, so that's probably why
12:39<react>visitor002: if you're a web dev, then app delivery platforms would probably really interest you, things like AWS Elastic Beanstalk and Google App Engine
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12:39<visitor002>Thanks react.
12:42<react>visitor002: np, those services basically take your code and they help you deploy and auto-scale, for you, so you don't need to be an ops expert
12:43<react>if you're not goot at something, for instance, server administration, why try being good at it, instead focus on your application and doing that thing well
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12:44<FluffyFoxeh>always value in learning though
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12:44<FluffyFoxeh>understanding what's underneath your application makes you a better developer, IMO
12:45<millisa>turtles. it's turtles all the way down.
12:45<react>sure; but if time is limited and your money-maker is your application, better to focus on that, once you're successful, hire some ops people or work with a partner
12:47<react>the big box PaaS providers who are managing and shipping these various application run-times are also really interested and heavily incentivized in making sure they perform well, it's all economies of scale, let the vendor worry about making sure the run-time is optimized, meanwhile, code code code
12:48<visitor002>Absolutely. ++
12:49<react>example, I see GAE supports node.js, am I really going to go toe-to-toe with Google? of course not, i'd rather build a great app, or work on my next feature, let them worry about compiler flags and omitting frame pointers and all the stuff underneath
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13:19<mnbs>hello, I use varnish at port 80, apache2 8080 and nginx as proxy for ssl at 443. the code I use in varnish/default.vcl redirects -> -> but not -> I searched over internet and tried to redirect in .htaccess, nginx, but no success. Is there any way to do this?
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13:24<mnbs>this is the code snippet i used sub vcl_recv { if ( ( ~ "^(?i)" || ~ "^(?i)") && req.http.X-Forwarded-Proto !~ "(?i)https") { return (synth(750, "")); } } sub vcl_synth { if (resp.status == 750) { set resp.status = 301; set resp.http.Location = "" + req.url; return(deliver); } }
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14:59<arbyyyyh>Hi All, was wondering what the pricing is like for the beta block storage
15:00<arbyyyyh>and nevermind, just saw the motd
15:01<millisa>just checked last invoice, looks like it still is billing $0.0000 per unit.
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15:41<ardz>vps linode allowed to mining bitcoin ?
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15:43<millisa>it wouldn't be economical...
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16:09<Lee>$5 a month, 1Ghz, 1GB...that would be similar to a raspberry pi on an ssd. You're probably better off with a pc that's already on all the time.
16:10<Lee>like millisa said...
16:10<synfinatic>the only one who would get rich in that deal is linode
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16:13<Lee>Yeah, I'm surprised linode employees didnt jump in and say: yes please!!
16:13<Lee>( don't mean to make ardz feel bad )
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16:14<FluffyFoxeh>I think they prefer not to have people maxing out the shared CPU 24/7
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16:14<Lee>that's true
16:15<Lee>it would be a lose-lose.
16:15<FluffyFoxeh>basically :p
16:15<millisa>section 3 of the tos kinda talks about it but not specifically.
16:16<Lee>probably better off making a really cool website with google ads all over.
16:16<FluffyFoxeh>you're probably better off doing almost anything else, than mining bitcoins with a CPU on a VPS
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16:23<csnxs>like mining a CPU with a VPS on a bitcoin?
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16:31<kelvinsimon>I have a problem with my server
16:31<kelvinsimon>not response
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16:31<kelvinsimon>and shutdown but nor response
16:31<kelvinsimon>fron Linode Manager
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16:33<millisa>Does it say the linode is running?
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16:37<chris__>can I create an ffmpeg farm with linode?
16:37<dzho>you ... could, probably.
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16:38<dzho>I'd say, if you can create an ffmpeg farm with linux, you can create it with linode.
16:40<dzho>whether that is a good idea or not is really going to depend
16:40<chris__>reasons to why it would not be a good idea?
16:41<kelvinsimon>not ping
16:41<kelvinsimon>is for this "An issue affecting the physical host this Linode resides on has been detected."
16:41<dzho>I could see it being a good idea for occasional use, to spin something up and use a lot of resources at once.
16:41<dzho>for sustained use I'd wonder if it would be cost competitive to using dedicated hardware.
16:41<warewolf>chris__: lindes are a shared resource (small VM on a larger server), which means you may get inconsntent encoding times based on available CPU resources to you
16:42<chris__>I did run it on a dedicated machine as well, but its killing the cpu
16:43<chris__>just doing one video
16:43<chris__>its crazy, I dont know how anyone is doing this
16:43<warewolf>turn down the quality you're trying to reencode to
16:44<chris__>I have it based on the clients specs
16:44<chris__>I cant lower it anymore
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16:44<chris__>anyone use ffmpeg here before ?
16:44<warewolf>yes, I use it
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16:44<warewolf>not on a Linode though, on a big beefy server at home
16:45<warewolf>make sure you have multi threading enabled in your ffmpeg command line
16:45<dzho>is it usually cpu bound?
16:45<chris__>yeah online I have tested against other sites and they are doing something to get way better speeds
16:45<warewolf>yes, ffmpeg doesn't know how to use a gpu for encoding
16:45*dzho was just looking that up, because that would be significant differential between a VM and dedicated hardware
16:45<chris__>I used an intel quad core at 3.6ghz
16:45<chris__>it does a good job for one video at a time
16:46<dzho>is it using all 4 cores?
16:46<dzho>also, quad core what?
16:46<chris__>but thats a dedicated machine I am paying for to just do one at a time
16:46<warewolf>and make sure $VIRTUAL_ENVIRONMENT is passing through all the MMX extensions, etc
16:46<chris__>its using the entire cpu
16:47<warewolf>ffmpeg works best when it's compiled for the environment it's being used for (that way it can turn on optimizations)
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16:47<warewolf>chris__: how are you measuring utilization?
16:47<chris__>in linux
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16:48<warewolf>and you hit "1" to show individual CPUs, and you see all the CPUs cores are pegged?
16:48<chris__>it uses eveything
16:48<chris__>which im fine with but I need to like do four videos at a time not one
16:48<warewolf>then get four servers
16:49<warewolf>sorry, it's pretty much as simple as that
16:49<chris__>four massive server to render video seems like something is wrong
16:49<warewolf>it sounds like you're trying to design a render farm. Those aren't cheap.
16:50<chris__>I think im kind of leaning towards just building a render farm and spin up vms as requests come in
16:50<chris__>thats why I was thinking linode
16:50<warewolf>you could do that yes
16:51<chris__>I just wasnt sure if there were rules about loading up a bunch of vms and shutting them down when I don't need them. guessing I could do that through the api
16:51<chris__>cost wise it makes sense
16:52<warewolf>maybe. Read the metered billing stuff.
16:52<chris__>metered billing?
16:52<chris__>you mean the hourly billing?
16:52<warewolf>understand that *any* resource used costs money: that includes CPU time (a running server) and any associated disk space used, whether it's used by an active VM or not - you're still storing bits on disk.
16:52<chris__>terms of use says something about not using the service for cpu cycles
16:53<warewolf>yeah then don't transcode video on linode, that sounds like it's against the ToU
16:53<chris__>and so im stuck, not sure how to complete this project
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16:56<HoopyCat>idk, transcoding video should be fine... it's a productive, non-wasteful use of CPU *shrug*
16:57<chris__>anyone worked with this before on a large scale?
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17:05<dzho>chris__: you know, if I really cared about this, I'd probably generate some smaller test cases that ran for an appreciable, but not onerous, length of time, then run them on the hardware at hand and run them on linode, and just see how it goes across a range of resolutions/bit depths whatever
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17:07<chris__>yeah I have started to do that
17:07<chris__>Will give it a try
17:07<chris__>either way seems crazy ffmpeg takes up that many resources
17:08<chris__>I'll prob end up splitting the thread counts it uses
17:08<chris__>it will take longer to do each job but not much else I can do
17:08<gparent>I would be surprised if ffmpeg did *not* use 100% CPU at all times.
17:09<chris__>it does but when I change the thread count it does go down
17:09<gparent>Right, because you are starving it.
17:09<chris__>it takes longer to process is the only issue
17:09<warewolf>you ...
17:09<warewolf>you fail to understand what ffmpeg does
17:10<chris__>it transcodes video
17:10<warewolf>it takes a frame of video, applies an insane amount of complex math *repeatedly* to it, and then outputs a new frame of video in a new format
17:10<warewolf>multiply that by how many frames you have
17:10<warewolf>add on top of that anything you do to audio
17:10<dzho>more cipher' than I can do on my fingers and toes, I'll tell you that
17:11<warewolf>it's *designed* to eat CPU cycles.
17:11<dzho>damn, I even mess up jethro-mode
17:11<dzho>nom nom nom
17:12<chris__>It does what it is supposed to yes, but think of you youtube for instance
17:12<chris__>they do tuns of transcoding all the time
17:12<warewolf>complaining that ffmpeg eats CPU is akin to complaining that your car drives you to work
17:12<warewolf>yes, and they're google.
17:12<warewolf>you're not.
17:12<chris__>point being, there are also a lot of other tube sites out there
17:12<chris__>so they are doing this as well
17:12<warewolf>google has an absolutely massive render farm; possibly using GPUs to transcode data into something useful
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17:13<chris__>and i gurantee they are not paying to do single conversions on individual machines
17:13<warewolf>"there are a lot of other tube sites out there" Okay, so you're running a porn site.
17:13<chris__>its actually for a comedy channel
17:14<millisa>I'm disappointed.
17:14<warewolf>either way
17:14<chris__>Sorry to disappoint
17:14<warewolf>it just takes time. The only fix is to throw more resources at it.
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17:14<dzho>so are you doing youtube-like resolutions, or higher?
17:15<warewolf>whether that's additional CPU cores while threading the encoder, or throwing resources at someone to make a GPU do the encoding.
17:15<millisa>You know about the presets ultrafast/fast/medium/slow/etc and the faststart mov option?
17:15<chris__>yeah I have it set to faster
17:15<warewolf>there are encoders that can leverage video cards, but a lot of times it's limited to a very specific profile of h264, which may not suite your needs
17:15<chris__>bitrate and all that
17:15<chris__>I have done this many times but I don't think I ran into this issue before
17:16<millisa>and the faststart option that lets it do the fragmented file but throws some of the header stuff at the beginning so it can start playing before it's done?
17:16<chris__>Yes I have that in there too
17:16<chris__>Millisa sounds like you have done thins before too
17:16<millisa>ok, maybe.
17:16<chris__>What did you use it for?
17:17<millisa>porn, as it was intended.
17:17<chris__>I figured
17:17<warewolf>I used it to backup/archive my DVDs.
17:17<millisa>that's what I said.
17:17<chris__>Millisa what did you use for your resources, dedicated? virtual?
17:17<chris__>private networks?
17:18<warewolf>I managed to get all of farscape into 30G, 720p and 6ch aac audio.
17:18<warewolf>all on a quad core CPU, ages ago. It took time. Plain and simple.
17:19<warewolf>chris__: it sounds like you don't know how to quantify your problem, outside of "this is slower than before"
17:19<warewolf>so, please figure out what the differences are between the two environments
17:20<warewolf>e.g. what CPUs were used, what CPU features were available, what the speed of your disk was for reading/writing, whether it was virtualized or not, ...
17:20<chris__>pretty sure it has to do with quality, the video quality when I did this before was not as high
17:20<chris__>now everything is much higher in specs
17:20<millisa>(sorry, I don't know enough about how well it performs; developers I do stuff for use it on physical and virtuals . . my personal dvd encoding work mostly used handbrake's cli and not ffmpeg)
17:21<chris__>No worries thanks for the help guys
17:21<warewolf>millisa: yeah, but handbrake is just a pretty gui written in perl on top of ffmpeg
17:21<chris__>I will figure it out
17:21<warewolf>I mean, I use libavcodec (the core of ffmpeg) via mencoder/mplayer
17:21<HoopyCat>ffmpeg using all available CPU power across all cores is a really good thing, btw. tasks that cannot be split across multiple CPU cores are hell
17:21<chris__>more machines is prob going to be the way to go
17:21<millisa>yeah, I have no clue how far it's extracted and either I did it on a window box that was fast or i just queued them up on a slow but but lots of core avoton setup that it didn't matter how long it took
17:21<chris__>but if you want to allow multiple jobs at the same time, you may need to split resources
17:22<chris__>to do two conversions at a time you need prob about 8 threads
17:23<warewolf>that is wildly dependent on source material and the output material
17:23<chris__>4 threads 300mb at 3.6 ghz renders at 40secs
17:23<chris__>same as you tube
17:23<warewolf>that's not enough detail to quantify
17:23<chris__>2 threads takes double the time
17:23<millisa>doesn't aws have some high cpu nodes for this sort of thing?
17:23<chris__>300 per month
17:23<HoopyCat>it's gonna take n*t CPU seconds to transcode t seconds of video
17:23<chris__>yes and they do not run better then a dedicated machine
17:24<millisa>the p2 instances?
17:24<chris__>instance can handle it
17:24<millisa>p2 were gpu. . the 'c' instances?
17:24<chris__>ffmpeg does not use gpu
17:24<chris__>wish it did lol
17:25<chris__>problem would be solved
17:25<warewolf>nah, you'd have a different problem on your hands.
17:25<HoopyCat>my approach would be to have multiple workers, each working an optimal number of jobs at once, pulling from your queue... if queue gets too deep, instantiate workers... if work runs out, destroy workers
17:25<millisa>that whole apache worker model
17:26<HoopyCat>and by "worker" i mean VPS instance/server/whatever
17:26<chris__>yeah I am thinking that, but these vm companys have a cpu cycle clause in there terms of use
17:26<chris__>not allowed
17:27<chris__>but thats what I was wanting to do
17:27<millisa>i'm not sure you'd fall under the linode clause (you could call and ask them), but it sounds like you are describing a normal use case to me...
17:28<millisa>it's not much different than me spinning up spare servers that are behind one of their nodebalancers during the holiday season.
17:28<HoopyCat>this doesn't sound like excessive CPU use to me
17:28<chris__>Ok maybe ill call them
17:28<HoopyCat>creating a node, running it at 100% CPU while you process stuff, then destroying it is pretty hecking ideal
17:28<chris__>give it a try
17:28<millisa>it's not like you don't pay for those resources and you aren't spinning them up for abusive purposes.
17:29<chris__>HoopyCat if you do it right I think it would work
17:29<chris__>You spin up and extra ahead of each process so there is always an instance ready to go
17:30<HoopyCat>orchestrating this is an exercise for the reader
17:30<chris__>I don't think that would be hack but more efficent
17:30<millisa>if you could get a base image that fits in that 2gb limit, you could even get them going pretty quickly
17:30<millisa>minsparelinodes, maxsparelinodes
17:30<chris__>Yeah I think that will work
17:31<millisa> relevant
17:31<millisa>getting things under that 2gb limit is hard.
17:31<chris__>Thanks Millisa
17:31<chris__>Ill give it a try see how it goes
17:31<chris__>Thanks warewolf
17:31<millisa>if you can't do the image thing, the clone option would still exist:
17:31<chris__>appreciate you feed back as well
17:32<millisa>you'd just have to pay for the clone to sit around
17:33<chris__>yeah thats fine
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17:38<millisa>i'm stoked; I get to migrate the last of my dallas1 linodes to dallas2 tonight. at least i think it's the last of them.
17:40<relidy>I'm jealous. I'd kind of like to just get the rest of mine out of the way so I stop getting random tickets about it.
17:42<millisa>when I saw there were only a couple more left, I asked if they could add those to this block; they couldn't add them, but could set them to migrate individually to specific hosts. just means I have to do a shutdown and a boot after hitting the migrate button.
17:43<relidy>I have too many left to bother them with individual requests. I'll just have to wait it out, but it's nice they were able to accommodate your remaining ones like that.
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17:59<MyriadDao>If I transfer from a different host, does Linode help with the process?
17:59<synfinatic>not really
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18:00<millisa>there is a 'free site migration' thing on the page for the managed offering (; there's also their professional services if you want to quote something more involved
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18:02<MyriadDao>would I be able to download the Cpanel myself? Cause i'm not too great tech wise and a friend suggested Linode over my current hostgator
18:02<millisa>there's a doc for it at
18:03<millisa>Probably worth looking at the getting started guide, too
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20:56<zifnab>does anyone here run k8s on linode
20:56*dzho is bracing for a yo dawg joke
20:57<zifnab>yo dawg, i put containers in your vms so you can namespace while you hypervise?
20:57<zifnab>i have this problem of "fairly large quantity of burstable boxes that all seem to burst at different time"
20:58<zifnab>containers fix that, i just...don't really want to deal with it manually (or use docker-whateverthefuckitisnow)
20:58<dzho>so now you want to orchestrate them!
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21:00<millisa>o9e with k8s!
21:02<millisa> looks interesting
21:02<zifnab>yeah, there's anothe rone somewhere i'm failing to find again
21:02<zifnab>i'm trying to figure out how persistent volumes would work with a lack of block storage
21:02<zifnab>(i mean, its there, just beta elsewhere)
21:04<zifnab>yours seems better millisa
21:04<millisa>its the animated gif that sells it
21:04<zifnab>problem: gcloud is the same fucking price at this point, minus bandwidth
21:05<FluffyFoxeh>looks like someone mashed the keyboard and a valid API key was magically produced
21:06<zifnab>heh, i have a strong urge to test that key
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21:10<millisa>apparently he's hosting his site off his setup:
21:18<Lee>He's got a nice resume. He's got a nice linkedin page. So why do people volunteer their personal information via linkedin?
21:20<Lee>perhaps they enjoy spam. perhaps they dont mind stalkers
21:20<Lee>You know what I have on my linkedin page? Oh, I don't have one.
21:21<millisa>I made you one yesterday. You wouldn't believe what you've done.
21:23<Lee>Oh no! you didn't put what I said about my boss?
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21:31<sumon>how are you ?
21:32<sumon>i need small infraction
21:32<sumon>cpanel whm license FREE ?
21:32<linbot>Install cPanel on CentOS: Linode does not sell cPanel licenses, but it's provided free to Linode Managed customers: Or try a free panel like Webmin: Or just use the command line:
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21:37<sumon>can i select Data Center ?
21:37<millisa>You can
21:37<millisa>There is a test download for each here:
21:38<sumon>can you say Singapore Data Center details ?
21:39<millisa>There was a blog entry that gave some info back in 2015
21:41<sumon>Can you say me WHEY BEST linodes
21:42<millisa>I'm not sure I understand. Are you asking why choose linode?
21:43<sumon>Yes boos Whey best your Company
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21:44<dhumed>For a drupal 8 site, which image would you guys recommend? (debian, ubuntu? etc)
21:44<millisa>It's not my company; Most of us in here are customers. I like linode for the support, easy communication, and you get more memory for the same cost compared to other providers.
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21:44<millisa>dhumed: generally whichever distribution you are most comfortable in is the right choice
21:46<millisa>dhumed: Their doc is ubuntu/debian oriented:
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21:46<dhumed>Thank you millisa!
21:47<sumon>Thanks for you information :)
21:47<millisa>sumon: sure thing
21:48<sumon>I am not clear proved Cloud VPS or SSD VPS ?
21:48<millisa>sumon: both are true
21:49<sumon>server READ ?
21:49<sumon>and IOPS ?
21:49<Cromulent>you mean RAID?
21:49<Cromulent>if so RAID 10
21:49<millisa>I'm not sure they put up the iops numbers anywhere.
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21:51<sumon>can you conform IOPS ?
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21:57<sumon>i am not clear
21:58<Cromulent>they don't release that information - best option is to spin up a Linode and run your own benchmarks sumon
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22:18<sumon>What happens if I run out of bandwidth?
22:19<millisa>Though in some cases, it's cheaper to just upgrade the linode ahead of time
22:19<sumon>can i update my plan any time ?
22:20<millisa>Yes, and it's easy to do:
22:21<millisa>(note the bit about the transfer proration below the overage section on the billing-and-payments page)
22:23<sumon>i can't see Additional bandwidth price
22:24<millisa>It's on that billing link: "If you exceed your monthly network transfer quota, your account will be billed for $0.02/GB at the end of the current month."
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22:26<sumon>can i PAY paypal
22:26<millisa>It's on that same page, further down -
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22:28<sumon>Okay thanks you :)
22:28<sumon>but you can't conform IOPS details
22:29<sumon>its very impotent a SSD VPS
22:29<millisa>I don't think they've put them up anywhere. I've saw an 18k burst on one of my systems this morning; I expect they might complain if it was sustained for a long period
22:29<millisa>er, I saw . . .
22:30<millisa>I saw a post from someone that claimed they were getting 50k+ (but it was a thread about the support folks contacting him about excessive usage)
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22:33<sumon>now can you conform your SSD VPS IOPS speed
22:33<millisa>I'm not sure how else to answer your question...
22:34<rsdehart>millisa: it's as though it's just running a script
22:34<millisa>I think I have an eliza thing here somewhere.
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22:34<rsdehart>eliza is at least a little interactive
22:34<rsdehart>this is just a static script
22:35<rsdehart>sumon: no one is confused about what IOPS refers to.
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22:35<rsdehart>millisa answered your question as well as you're going to get
22:36<sumon>your SSD server RAID10 i need to know 400 IOPS , 800 IOPS ,1600 IOPS
22:36<sumon>which ?
22:36<rsdehart>we're not support
22:36<sumon>400 IOPS , 800 IOPS ,1600 IOPS
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22:36<FluffyFoxeh>I have never tested it but my intuition would tell me that it probably varies since it is shared hosting
22:36<millisa>and 1600 would be extremely slow...
22:37<FluffyFoxeh>Furthermore, since it's not listed on the pricing page I would surmise that Linode does not guarantee a particular rate of IOPS
22:37<FluffyFoxeh>and if you absolutely need such a guarantee, a virtual private server may not be for you
22:38<FluffyFoxeh>but you probably don't need it as much as you think you do
22:38<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
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22:51<millisa>for fun I just tried fio to measure a randomwrite on a $5 node and it came back with iops=20050
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22:53<millisa>randread came back with iops=44260
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23:01<zifnab>Corrosion is
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23:01<zifnab>CoreOS is weird
23:01<zifnab>Almost as bad as my iThing keyboard
23:01<zifnab>I didn't notice that
23:01<millisa>cOreos - chocolatey wafer outside . . .
23:03<zifnab>I just sent that to the container guys at work. Thanks.
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23:14<Zimsky>why are there guys in containers at your work, zifnab
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23:16<zifnab>Zimsky: they chose to. can't let them out n ow, they'll containerize everythign.
23:16<Zimsky>with a z too
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23:22<zifnab>lots of words have zs
23:23<zifnab>including Zimsky
23:23<Zimsky>it was originally "Simsky"
23:23<Zimsky>but americans kept on calling me Zimsky
23:25<Zimsky>much like a circular bread, I just rolled with it
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23:30<FluffyFoxeh>Zimsky: that pun was unacceptable
23:30<Zimsky>at least it's on a table
23:31<Zimsky>where do you eat your bread, on a chair?
23:33<ax25>Anybody else having issues with their Xen instances tonight (we are - 2 linode Xen vm's in Atlanta). Down as of about 20 minutes ago.
23:34<FluffyFoxeh>hm, looks like that scheduled Xen maintenance isn't until the 12th
23:34<ax25>Roger that. I checked that first. The boot shedule is ... yep, you found it too.
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23:35<ax25>Thanks for the pointer though FF.
23:35<zifnab>open a ticket
23:35<Zimsky>Ken instances
23:35<zifnab>follow it up with a phone call
23:35<zifnab>should get an answer :P
23:35<ax25>Sure, just thought I would check to see if it was a wider issue first.
23:35<zifnab>yeah, all good, i do the same thing :P
23:35<Zimsky>zifnab is a wider issue
23:36<zifnab>i am not wide
23:36<zifnab>you take that back
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23:36<zifnab>i was told i'm underweight a few weeks ago
23:36<Zimsky>how much did you pay them
23:36<zifnab>i didn't
23:36<zifnab>insurance paid for it
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23:37<ax25>I resemble that comment. Wish I didn't, but eh. Need to change some habits I guess.
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23:46<ax25>Oh, physical host problems. Sorta like I have sometimes ;-)
23:47<Zimsky>zifnab: you paid for insurance
23:49<ax25>Ya gotta pay for insurance, or they catch ya on the taxes.
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23:50<Zimsky>ax25: not in my country
23:50<Zimsky>I also don't pay tax
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23:52<ax25>Zimsky, Well, here it is a given certainty - death and taxes.
23:53<Zimsky>death is not certain
23:53<Zimsky>neither are taxes
23:53<ax25>You have a good outlook.
23:53<Zimsky>no, I have logic
23:54<Zimsky>ax25: what happens in your country if you just don't pay tax
23:54<Zimsky>and refuse to die
23:54<ax25>Well, I used to think about such things. It got me depressed, so I moved on :-)
23:54<ax25>If you don't pay taxes, you go to jail. If you refuse to die, I think you end up immortal, but I have not tesed that.
23:54<Zimsky>death doesn't depress me - I know it'll come at some point (except in the case that I can be replicated to a machine)
23:55<Zimsky>makes me think how I can best use my time
23:55<Zimsky>e.g. shitposting at zifnab and making dank memes
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23:55<Zimsky>ax25: what if you hide in a desert
23:55<Zimsky>where THE GOVERNMENT can't find you
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23:57<ax25>They have surveillance everywhere, nowhere to hide anymore I am afraid.
23:58<Zimsky>pretty sure if you bury a shipping container in a desert they're not going to find you
23:59<Zimsky>peng, that one's easy. Just go on the other side of the pole
23:59<Zimsky>all the cameras will be facing away
23:59<ax25>Heh, Peng, if it were that obvious, it would be easy to defeat.
23:59<ax25>Nice pic though.
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23:59<Zimsky>ax25: the sun is obvious
23:59<Zimsky>is it easy to defeat?
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