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#linode IRC Logs for 2017-09-27

---Logopened Wed Sep 27 00:00:14 2017
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00:17<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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01:00<FluffyFoxeh>Ikaros: yeah, how do you see port scans? aside from watching wireshark or something
01:00*dcraig tickles fluffyfoxeh around a bit with a large basslet
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01:00*dcraig scans ur ports
01:01<FluffyFoxeh>oh baby
01:01<Ikaros>FluffyFoxeh because my software firewall on my PC alerts me when it blocks incoming traffic. I am of course using a router in front of my LAN with its firewall enabled, the scans I pick up are basically anything that's forwarded to my PC specifically. I maintain 3389 because I do work remotely often, for example.
01:02*dcraig syn flood sending cookies
01:02<FluffyFoxeh>I see
01:02<dcraig>I welcome all incoming traffic
01:03<dcraig>there is always a place for your packets at dcraig.net
01:03<Ikaros>I also maintain a few other open communication ports to my PC, as these host services that specific systems access as well regularly.
01:03<FluffyFoxeh>how do I make Firefox ignore HSTS and connect anyway. I realize that's directly contrary to the point of HSTS but I want to access the site
01:03<FluffyFoxeh>https://lain.wiki/
01:03<dcraig>use chrome :D
01:04<FluffyFoxeh>oooh chromium does let me
01:04<FluffyFoxeh>thanks
01:04<millisa>FluffyFoxeh: if your firewall supports it (many do),you can dump those type of failures to a syslog server
01:04<dcraig>sure thing boo
01:04<Ikaros>millisa heck even my ISP-provided router has a facility to do just that.
01:05<millisa>some of the consumer home router/firewalls support it now even
01:05<FluffyFoxeh>that's cool. I wonder if mine does
01:05<Ikaros>But yeah
01:06<Ikaros>My router GUI doesn't permit me to specify exactly which hosts to forward the traffic for on a given forwarding rule...so that's where the software firewall comes in. I use the software firewall to do that.
01:06<Ikaros>After all I don't want 3389 open to the entire internet.
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01:07<FluffyFoxeh>my router can send an email with logs. that's not quite ideal though
01:07<Ikaros>IPv6 firewalling, is provided by the gateway server.
01:07<Ikaros>So I don't worry about that.
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01:07<FluffyFoxeh>lol "DoS Protection"
01:07<FluffyFoxeh>yeah right
01:08<FluffyFoxeh>(my home router has a checkbox for this in the settings)
01:08<Ikaros>Eh. I think that's just a shortcut for turning on certain features in one go
01:09<Ikaros>Like mine will institute rate limiting and filtering out ICMP and the like.
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01:09<FluffyFoxeh>okay yeah it's an option that allows you to use flood filtering
01:09<FluffyFoxeh>DoS Protection - Enable or Disable the DoS protection function. Only when it is enabled, will the flood filters be enabled.
01:10<FluffyFoxeh>and then it's got ICMP, UDP, and TCP SYN flood filtering
01:10<Ikaros>lol TCP SYN
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01:10<FluffyFoxeh>I assume that's something designed to fill up connection tables?
01:11<FluffyFoxeh>SYN flooding that is
01:12<dcraig>all I know is the antidote is to "send cookies"
01:12<millisa>vanilla wafers?
01:12<dcraig>man it's been forever since I had a vanilla wafer
01:13<Ikaros>FluffyFoxeh: That's basically it, holding open half-open connections by sending a large number of SYN requests, often times with spoofed IPs or by simply just not returning an ACK to the server, and instead sending a new SYN, rinse-and-repeat.
01:14<Ikaros>Since by design TCP will wait a considerable amount of time for an ACK back from the client in response to its SYN-ACK
01:15<Zimsky>Ikaros: ACK ACK ACK ACK ACK
01:16<dcraig>Zimsky, I think ur blocked by Ikarosfirewall
01:17<Zimsky>more like ACKaros
01:18<dcraig>rofl
01:18<Zimsky>rolling on the laughing floor
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03:05<mual0009>uh
03:06<Zimsky>uhhh
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03:06<FluffyFoxeh>uuuuuuuuuuuu
03:06<Ikaros>I most certainly hope you aren't actually IRC-ing as root. I hope that's just a nick you picked and that the ident is a total coincidence :P
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03:06<waqar89>hi
03:06<waqar89>whats up bro
03:06<mual0009>hey man
03:07<mual0009>kokm
03:07<mual0009>;,
03:07<mual0009>l,l
03:07<mual0009>;
03:07<mual0009>m,
03:07<mual0009>,
03:07<mual0009>,
03:07<waqar89>g
03:07<waqar89>dbd
03:07<waqar89>dnns
03:07<waqar89>jsn
03:07<waqar89>mms
03:07<waqar89>msmms
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03:07<waqar89>mmd
03:07<FluffyFoxeh>shut up
03:07<waqar89>kdkd
03:07<waqar89>kdkd
03:07<waqar89>mdmmd
03:07<FluffyFoxeh>Zimsky: https://youtu.be/Hv6RbEOlqRo
03:07<waqar89>mdmd
03:07<waqar89>mdmdm
03:07<waqar89>mdmd
03:07<waqar89>??
03:07<Ikaros>Laaaame.
03:08<waqar89>chanserv
03:08<waqar89>jdn
03:09<Zimsky>my arthritic grandmother could spam better than that
03:09<Zimsky>and she doesn't even have a computer
03:09<Ikaros>Hahahaha
03:10<mual0009>:)
03:10<mual0009>knock knock
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03:15<Ikaros>Heh. Listed on CBL as of Sep 22. Potential 'neutrino' botnet IP.
03:18<FluffyFoxeh>pffft
03:18<FluffyFoxeh>must suck at servers
03:20<Zimsky>wouldn't a neutrino botnet just pass through undetected
03:20<dwfreed>Zimsky: get out
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03:23<Zimsky>dwfreed: I can't. I'm a boson integral to the integrity of this channel
03:23<Zimsky>everything would fall apart if I left
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03:24<grawity>if anything you're a bogon
03:24<Ikaros>Ouch.
03:26<Zimsky>grawity: your mere existence speaks for you
03:26*grawity is a myth
03:26<Zimsky>The Myth of Syphilis
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04:52<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Just wanted to say Hello. <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15280&p=74700#p74700>
04:52<Zimsky>hello
04:55<Ikaros>The one thing that sucks about having a day off work...finding something to occupy the time.
04:57<Zimsky>you could just shitpost on irc like I do
04:57<Zimsky>oh no, I've become self-aware
04:57<ponas>the self is an illusion
04:58<Zimsky>ponas: why
05:02<ponas>not sure, but it sounds like a clever statement
05:02<linbot>New news from forum: Current Betas • New cloud.linode.com control panel <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15015&p=74659#p74659>
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05:11<lateefat>hello
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06:30<je>Do you have a Tokyo 2 server problem now?
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06:35<@jhaas>je: I'm not aware of any widespread issue in Tokyo 2; what are you seeing exactly?
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06:37<grawity>same "500 errors" as yesterday, I would guess
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06:38<@jhaas>je: If you're seeing 5xx errors as grawity mentioned, that's very unlikely to be on our end. In most cases that's an internal software problem with PHP/MySQL/etc.
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06:52<rob`>is there anyway to pay in £ rather than $?
06:55<Zimsky>if you're using a visa card with a bank, they'll probably convert from GBP to USD at their exchange rate
06:55<Zimsky>or mastercard for that matter
07:00<hawk>Based on the question I would have guessed that was specifically what they wanted to avoid
07:01<hawk>(That exchange rate is often "not great" and there's often a fee associated with them doing the exchange in the first place.)
07:01<Zimsky>indeed
07:09<rob`>yes, correct. I used to use linode a year ago but always got stung on the visa conversion plus an additional 1£ fee for each transaction from lloyds which started to add up.
07:10<homoerectus>bitcoins
07:11<rob`>I want the cheapest $5 VPS but to pay in £ ideally or in such a way that minimises the costs
07:12<Zimsky>load up a card with multiple years worth of USD for it?
07:12<@sjacobs>a credit/debit card is required for the initial deposit. after that you can deposit funds into the account with paypal.
07:12<@sjacobs>i don't know if paypal is better or worse, though, in that situation.
07:13<Zimsky>they're on par with bank exchange rates
07:13<Zimsky>but don't charge a fee iirc
07:17<@sjacobs>ah, their user agreement says it is an additional 2.5% on top of the exchange rate.
07:27<Zimsky>well shit
07:29<grawity>hmm I heard Revolut has good exchange rates
07:29<grawity>they provide a credit card number for free
07:30<Zimsky>sjacobs: could I prepay in gold bars
07:31<Zimsky>like, if I brought them to the office
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08:53<Megaf>Hey guys, are you upgrading to or going to offer AMD Epyc CPUs?
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09:00<Megaf>you could host 128 10 10 USD VPSes on two Epyc chips
09:00<Megaf>so the chip pays itself in no time
09:00<Megaf>That if you are allocating 100% of each thread per VPS
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09:03<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Open source billing and support software <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=5950&p=74701#p74701>
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10:13<linbot>New news from forum: Current Betas • New cloud.linode.com control panel <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15015&p=74659#p74659>
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10:24<je>my Tokyo2 server ping test continues to fail. my ip address is 172.104.74.109
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10:25<HoopyCat>je_: pings ok from here (northeastern US)
10:26<ponas>also from northern europe
10:28<je_>Thank you for checking. But I keep failing.
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12:54<Eldar>hi
12:55<Eldar>where am i :)
12:55<Eldar>is there anyone
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12:58<@bmartin>Hello there
12:58<synfinatic>i'm not an anyone, i'm a someone
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13:02<Eldar>i need ip of u.k vps for testing ping
13:03<synfinatic>https://www.linode.com/speedtest
13:04<Eldar>sorry my english is not good what is the different anyone and someone
13:04<synfinatic>it was more of a joke, don't worry about it
13:05<Eldar>:)
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13:27<Vase>hello everyone
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13:28<Vase>I Need help installing i web server which i have no idea how to do it
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13:32<react>I was gonna help you Vase
13:32<react>then you left.
13:33<@bmartin>Same
13:33<@bmartin></3
13:33*react queues the sad horn noise
13:34*relidy thanks react for spelling "queue" properly.
13:52<@scrane>I thought it was spelled Kew.
13:52<@jhaas>s/queue/q/
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13:56<retro|blah>yes, the sad horn noise can get in line
13:57<retro|blah>behind the wah wah wah wah
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13:58<relidy>In context, "cue" might have been the better word choice, but after playing online games for so long, I've gotten so tired of seeing "q", "que", and every other possible variation when they mean "queue".
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13:59<sandesh>i am unable to connect with ssh while my system is running.any one tell me solution
13:59<@scrane>Can you ping the Linode?
14:00<sandesh>my ip is 178.79.160.246
14:00<@scrane>Looks like it isn't accepting traffic. One way to get in an troubleshoot is through the LISH console: https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/using-the-linode-shell-lish/
14:00<sandesh>No it show request time out
14:01<@scrane>Once you've logged in through LISH (which allows you to get in even if the Linode doesn't have network traffic), you can run commands like ip a, ip r, iptables-save, and netstat -plunt to see what might be wrong.
14:02<sandesh>root@ubuntu:/var/lib/dpkg# sudo apt-get update Err http://mirrors.linode.com trusty InRelease W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock E: Method http has died unexpectedly! E: Sub-process http returned an error code (100) E: Method http has died unexpectedly! E: Sub-process http returned an error code (100) W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock root@ubuntu:/var/lib/dpkg#
14:04<@scrane>Hrm... I'd say reboot the Linode into rescue mode and run a filesystem check. https://www.linode.com/docs/troubleshooting/rescue-and-rebuild#booting-into-rescue-mode
14:04<sandesh>can you see above error meaage?
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14:07<@scrane>Yeah, I can see that. I'd also recommend taking a look at this guide: https://askubuntu.com/questions/399709/install-with-sudo-app-get-install-doesnt-work-not-using-locking-for-read-only
14:08<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
14:08<@scrane>It could be a disk didn't mount properly.
14:08<TW__>Does linode provide a free email account(s) for a server package?
14:08<@scrane>We don't provide email accounts, but you can use a Linode to host your own email server.
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14:10<TW__>I am hosting, but my email account at my old hoster (godaddy.com) is not receiving email. Godaddy support said I would have to remove the *.GOOGLE.COM MX records. Godaddy servers are at the bottom of the list.
14:11<@scrane>Hrm... I may be missing what you are trying to accomplish. It sounds to me like you have your email for the domain set up through Gmail, yes?
14:12<TW__>My linode domain is watson-sw.com and my Godaddy email is tom@watson-sw.com. I would like to have an email address with my domain name. How should I do this?
14:12<synfinatic>sounds like you are using google for email, but for a custom domain?
14:13<TW__>I didn't add the Google servers to the MX records. I assumed that was done by linode.com.
14:14<synfinatic>you'll have to do it yourself via the linode console.
14:14<TW__>The 1st MX is ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM
14:14<synfinatic>i assume you've updated your domain's records to point at linode's DNS servers?
14:15<@scrane>We wouldn't add anything to the domain zone. So if you don't want to use Google, you can remove those MX records and point them to GoDaddy's.
14:15<TW__>My server was recently migrated as part of a server migration. I did not initiate it.
14:15<@scrane>It sounds like you've followed this guide: https://www.linode.com/docs/email/using-google-apps-for-email
14:17<TW__>Hmm? I don't remember doing that. I did test out Google Apps about a month ago, but didn't see any advantage.
14:17<TW__>So I can remove the *.GOOGLE.COM MX records?
14:17<@scrane>Yeah, you can remove those without issue
14:17<@scrane>And use the ones GoDaddy suggested, and you should get email sent to the GoDaddy email address.
14:18<synfinatic>if you're not reading email via gmail, then you definitely don't want those MX records
14:19<TW__>Thanks Eugene. I do read email via gmail. I forward the tom@watson-sw.com to my gmail account for convenience.
14:19<@scrane>Do you forward via Pop3 or IMAP, I assume?
14:20<TW__>I host subdomains for an application I wrote. The app sends customers email using addresses with the main domains that I host their sub-domain.
14:22<TW__>I think Godaddy is using IMAP. I just configured my account to forward to my gmail account.
14:22<@scrane>Okay, that makes sense, then. Yeah, you'll want to remove the Google MX records from the account
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14:23<TW__>Done. Why doesn't linode do email aside from the fact that is a PAIN.
14:24<nate>because you're running your own VPS and can do it yourself...?
14:25<synfinatic>because they want to do VPS really well and not try to do a bazillion of things crappy
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14:26<@scrane>Because we believe in empowering our users to create and configure systems that best fit their needs.
14:27<TW__>I guess. Thanks guys.
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14:27<@scrane>No problem!
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14:30<@scrane>sandesh: Did you get your Linode up and running? I see I can ping it now
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14:48<murthi>hello http://www.linode.com company
14:48<@scrane>Hey there!
14:48<murthi>need help
14:48<murthi>i came to know from some website your company hosted this website http://bestoutlite.com
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14:49<raeen>hi
14:49<murthi>what is chanServ?
14:49<raeen>i didn't get you
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14:51<murthi>sorry correction
14:51<murthi>it is not http://bestoutlite.com ,
14:51<murthi>it is http://bestvipoutlite.com
14:52<@scrane>I can confirm bestvipoutlite.com is hosted on a Linode server.
14:52<murthi>thank you,
14:53<murthi>problem is they were selling e-scottors through this site
14:53<murthi>i ordered one 1 month back
14:53<murthi>not yet received
14:53<murthi>till last week this site was working
14:53<murthi>now it is getting directed to some casino site
14:53<ponas>linode can't really help you contact them
14:54<ponas>you could/should do a chargeback with your credit card issuer (if you used one)
14:56<murthi>it was one month back , let me try that, not sure if that work, thank you for suggestion
14:56<murthi>by the way which country is this site from
14:57<@scrane>Based on MAxmin'ds geolocation, it's in Fremont, CA. https://www.maxmind.com/en/geoip2-precision-demo?ip=104.237.155.133
14:57<murthi>oh ok thank you
14:57<murthi>want to let you know i also found other site very similar to this one http://bestoutlite.com but selling other some thing simillar, any way you confirmed your company is not hosting
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14:58<murthi>not sure about this http://bestoutlite.com
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14:59<murthi>any way thank you for info, have a nice day ahead
15:00<@scrane>You have a good day, too!
15:03<murthi>can you please complete website of ChanServ, i am not able to find it
15:03<murthi>can you please share complete website of ChanServ, i am not able to find it
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15:04<millisa>that request doesn't make sense.
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15:06<murthi>ok, thanks a lot
15:15<murthi>is there any suggestion on how to approach cybercrime in reporting about http://bestvipoutlite.com
15:16<millisa>talking to your credit card company is usually the best bet
15:16<HoopyCat>murthi: your credit card company and your local police department are where i'd start
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15:16<murthi>ok i will do that , thank you
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16:05<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • How to map disk to gues tlinux scsi device using API? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15281&p=74702#p74702>
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16:27*relidy does a little jig. Last Dallas migration complete.
16:28<@bmartin>Hooray!
16:28<@bmartin>My suggestion of naming it D2 The Mighty Ducks was shot down
16:29<dwfreed>what?!
16:29<dwfreed>that's the *perfect* name for a datacenter
16:29<@bmartin>I thought so too but what can ya do?
16:29<@bmartin>Can
16:29<@bmartin>Can't win em all
16:35<@scrane>Poor Goldberg. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtdY6oH4rSU
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18:09<Zzz>Does linode support spring apps?
18:10<Zzz>Mvn spring-boot apps to be specific
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18:35<arkamax>hey folks, quick question straight out of RTFM, probably - can I get more disk space without upgrading to the next Linode plan up?
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18:35<millisa>not at the moment.
18:36<arkamax>okey doc, thanks!
18:36<millisa>there's a block storage beta going on, but it's not in production.
18:36<arkamax>any ETAs?
18:36<millisa>haven't seen one.
18:36<@bmartin>Yup. Block storage is currently available in our Fremont and Newark DCs
18:36<@bmartin>We don't have an ETA but blog.linode.com is the best place to find updates
18:37<arkamax>how sweet, tje Linode that might need space is in Fremont. I shall track the blog then
18:37<millisa>https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=14906 is also worth looking at
18:39<@bmartin>@arkamax Ok so I was little premature
18:39<@bmartin>Fremont is next up on the beta but hasn't been deployed just yet
18:39<@bmartin>!unpoint bmartin
18:39<linbot>bmartin: Point taken from bmartin! (0)
18:39<encode>yeah i thought fremont wasn't available yet
18:39<encode>otherwise i would have signed up for beta already haah
18:39<@bmartin>haha
18:39<@bmartin>Sorry about that
18:40<encode>np
18:40<encode>i got all excited for a second then
18:41<arkamax>sounds good! Although I read backups are not possible from those, which means I can't use them for production data
18:42<encode>true, but you could set up your own backup to a linode in a different DC
18:42<Peng>or to anywhere else
18:43<arkamax>yep, I thought of the same
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18:50<encode>Peng: true, but i figure anyone backing up to !linode will continue to do that
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19:08<retro|blah>Hm http://newswire.telecomramblings.com/2017/09/zayo-expand-atlanta-data-center-presence/
19:09<millisa>a location with power infrastructure. and blackjack.
19:13<@scrane>Blackjack sounds like fun.
19:24<linbot>don't forget the hookers
19:24<millisa>Forget the power infrastructure!
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19:44<Peng>No way. I wouldn't trust anything run by Zayo or within like 2 blocks of 1100 White St SW
19:45<millisa>i have stuff in a datacenter they acquired a couple years ago. it's been as solid after as it was before. so they aren't *all* bad
19:46<Peng>For now
19:46<millisa>they botched the handoff of physical access, but after that got worked out, they've been downright pleasant
19:47<Peng>I'd never accuse them of being competent enough to run a building into the ground overnight
19:47<Peng>It could take years of mismanagement and negelct
19:47<Peng>How often do diesel tanks get inspected, anyway?
19:47<millisa>fortunately for them, this place was already a dive; it's a facility that's been around since the mid 90's and has changed hands several times.
19:47<Peng>Hah
19:47<millisa>at the one I'm at, they do it quarterly. send out nice notices ahead of time and everything.
19:57<Ikaros>Provided they do it on schedule and not "when they get around to it" >.>
20:00<retro|blah>yes, the round tuit economy is healthy enough as it already stands
20:02<retro|blah>...is healthy the correct word there?
20:02<millisa>salutary?
20:04<retro|blah>perhaps
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21:15<Ikaros>Hah!
21:15<Ikaros>!wx kdfw
21:15<linbot>Ikaros: [metar] OBS at KDFW: 73.4F/23C, visibility 3 miles, wind 16.11 mph, chill 74.54F (altimeter: 30.00) [KDFW 280102Z COR 36014KT 3SM RA BR SCT027 BKN045 OVC060 23/22 A3000 RMK AO2]
21:16<homoerectus>monkeyman
21:16<Ikaros>Been a while since I've seen "RA" being reported :D
21:16<homoerectus>ReallyAnal
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21:18<viktormorales>Wooop
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21:21<homoerectus>greek
21:22<homoerectus>Green Greek Geek
21:22<homoerectus>Green Greek Geek Goes Gaga
21:32<dwfreed>O.o
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21:34<AlexMax>heh
21:34<AlexMax>guess you 'rect' him
21:35<Ikaros>...bad joke.
21:35<@mcintosh>!boo AlexMax
21:35<linbot>mcintosh: Point taken from alexmax! (-1)
21:35<Peng>!point AlexMax
21:35<linbot>Peng: Point given to alexmax. (0)
21:35<@mcintosh>lol'd
21:35<Ikaros>See now I'm confused, do we award or punish for bad jokes
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21:43<MrPPS>wait, can anyone give points?
21:43<MrPPS>!point mcintosh
21:43<linbot>MrPPS: Point given to mcintosh. (12)
21:44<MrPPS>bonza
21:44<@mcintosh>!point mcintosh
21:44<linbot>mcintosh: 1,000,000 points for mcintosh!!!
21:45<linbot>Point taken from mcintosh! (11)
21:45<MrPPS>whoah, that delayed psych-out
21:46<linbot>pay no attention to the man behind the curtain
21:46<@mcintosh>he lies!
21:46<@mcintosh>!score mcintosh
21:46<linbot>mcintosh: mcintosh's score: 11
21:46<MrPPS>haha
21:46<@mcintosh>rofl
21:48<FluffyFoxeh>http://www.fastquake.com/files/rain-20170927/fucking_rain.webm
21:48<linbot>/msg linbot say #linode [boo mcintosh]
21:49<@mcintosh>thank you, mysterious benefactor! ;p
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22:26<Frankz>Hi! Does Linode supports Prestashop?
22:26<Zimsky>what's a prestashop?
22:27<Frankz>Prestashop, a alternative to Magento, Shopify, WooCommerce, etc
22:27<millisa>they are linux vps. if you can install it on linux, it probably can be installed on a linode.
22:27<Zimsky>oh a web thing
22:27<Zimsky>what millisa said
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22:30<Frankz>Thanks
22:31<Frankz>Do you know also if the Database ports can be opened to all IP's (I know it's not safe, but I have a specific requirement here)
22:32<Frankz>?
22:32<millisa>Linode doesn't filter access to your system; you'd have control of what can and can't get to any of the ports.
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22:33<millisa>Well, they mostly don't filter. I guess if they null route you for misbehaving it's a 100% filter?
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22:34<Frankz>Yeap
22:34<Frankz>thanks
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22:57<dwfreed>millisa: when a customer is not responding to an open abuse ticket, they'll take action to mitigate the abuse in the least intrusive way possible (eg, if you're spamming, they'll block outbound port 25)
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22:57<millisa>I must just be well behaved
22:58<marshwallow>Hi people. I'm following the Securing Your Server guide, but am not really successful in making sense out of ss -lnp output. Any hints?
22:59<millisa>what part's confusing?
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23:03<marshwallow>This, for example.
23:03<marshwallow>netid state recv-q send-q laddr:port paddr:port
23:03<marshwallow>nl UNCONN 4352 0 4:20226 *
23:04<marshwallow>So, there's a process listening at port 20226.
23:04<marshwallow>How should I handle that?
23:07<marshwallow>I mean, I can simply open the ports I would like to be opened (say, SSH and HTTP), but I'd like to be able to do something useful with ss output as well :P.
23:07<@sjacobs>marshwallow: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netlink (the netid = nl) that isn't going to be an open port to others.
23:07<@sjacobs>i find `ss -tulpn` to be a bit more effective.
23:08<millisa>personally, I find the output of 'netstat -tulpn' to be easier to read
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23:08<marshwallow>sjacobs: thanks for the suggestion, will check!
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23:09<@sjacobs>except for the line wrapping it does. it always wraps. no matter my terminal size.
23:11<marshwallow>millisa: I personally prefer netstat as well, as it gave me human-readable output with -plunt (same thing as -tulpn, just more phonetic?), but netstat was labeled outdated on a SO question, which made me reconsider ss.
23:11<marshwallow>(https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/181979/ss-is-replacing-netstat-how-can-i-get-it-to-list-ports-similarly-to-what-i-am-u)
23:11*millisa is outdated.
23:11<marshwallow>:D
23:11<@sjacobs>yeah. new CentOS 7 iso's don't come with netstat, so it is happening.
23:12<millisa>it doesn't? i guess I must install it everytime without thinking
23:12<@sjacobs>as of the release a week or two ago.
23:12<Ikaros>Indeed, and I've not seen it installed by default either on my end.
23:13<marshwallow>Um ... but ... -plunt doesn't list active UDP ports, only TCP.
23:14<@sjacobs>interesting. that is what i am seeing as well.
23:14<marshwallow>BTW, second that for the wrapping thing. My terminal window is 2300+ px wide, and it's still not wide enough :P.
23:15<@sjacobs>it fits to the terminal size (very poorly). there are stackoverflows dedicated to making it not wrap.
23:15<@sjacobs>marshwallow: `ss -ulpn` shows me my listening udp ports
23:16<@sjacobs>hard to understand why it wouldn't show up when asking for both.
23:18<millisa>weird that you aren't seeing udp... `ss -tulpn` I see both udp and tcp
23:18<marshwallow>Maybe I just don't have UDP services
23:18<marshwallow>*?
23:19<dwfreed>does it print anything if you do 'ss -ulpn' ? if not, then you don't
23:19<marshwallow>Yup, nothing.
23:20<dwfreed>I will also confess to being stuck in netstat, mostly because what I use it for, there are no real issues
23:20<millisa>I had to look; I do indeed install net-tools in my initial ansible script that I use on everything...
23:21<marshwallow>netstat it is then :).
23:21<marshwallow>Even though it is a vi vs. nano thing, but ...
23:22<millisa>well if we can talk you into doing outmoded/outdated things, could I interest you in a bit of `cat foo.txt|grep bar` ?
23:23<marshwallow>I've been doing that since ... ever! :D
23:23<marshwallow>Seriously.
23:23<marshwallow>Though it seems like grep `str` `path` is the way to go :P.
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23:25<@sjacobs>https://bpaste.net/show/9d7898af1a63 opened a udp port with netcat. netstat shows udp, ss shows tcp. i'm confused.
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23:26<marshwallow>Oh well :D.
23:26<marshwallow>nc -u or just nc?
23:26<@sjacobs>nc -ul 8000
23:27<dwfreed>sjacobs: what if you leave off the '-t'
23:28<marshwallow>Different outputs, ergo, someone must be wrong ... ss?
23:28<@sjacobs>then it just doesn't show that first "Netid" column
23:28<Zimsky>dwfreed: then you play a round of gold
23:28<Zimsky>s/gold/golf
23:28<Zimsky>foiled by my own typo
23:28<Zimsky>dwfreed's going to punch me some day
23:28<millisa>works for me? https://vomitb.in/glulwDhKya
23:29<dwfreed>I think it's a bug in older ss
23:29<dwfreed>I can reproduce it in 14.04, but not 16.04
23:29<marshwallow>I dig the pastebin address.
23:30<marshwallow>So no objective reason to not use ss :P.
23:30<millisa>it'll justify that large resolution monitor so you can fit it in without wrapping
23:30<Zimsky>what about lsof -i -n
23:31<Zimsky>seems to require root on debian 7 though
23:31<marshwallow>Don't they all?
23:32<Zimsky>nop
23:32<dwfreed>neither lsof nor ss require root, you're just limited in what you will see
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23:32<millisa>ss even warns you that it won't show you everything
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23:32<Zimsky>lsof won't
23:32<millisa>or at least the version I'm running does
23:32<@sjacobs>can confirm. switched to a box with up to date ss and it works.
23:32<Zimsky>conversely, if you run lsof -i on darwin, it'll show you everything
23:32<Zimsky>even without root
23:33<@sjacobs>and netcat also required a -p flag for the port.
23:33<dwfreed>lsof goes by way of looking for file descriptors from /proc/<pid>/fd first, then parsing the /proc/net tables to collate fds to sockets
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23:34<Zimsky>I personally prefer lsof over netstat on darwin though
23:34<dwfreed>netstat on darwin is annoying
23:34<dwfreed>because it's bsd netstat, not linux
23:34<Zimsky>I find the result is cleaner
23:34<Zimsky>ヽ( 。ヮ゚)ノ
23:34<marshwallow>I'm new to all this, but ss is not really winning my fancies :P.
23:35<Zimsky>haven't we prattled on about ss before, dwfreed
23:35<dwfreed>ss can be information overload
23:35<dwfreed>probably
23:38<marshwallow>I see mysqld in my lsof -i -n output, any way to make it go away from there without killing localhost administration?
23:39<marshwallow>it decently rejects non-localhost clients when ufw lets it go, but still provides a response to them.
23:40<millisa>you want mysql to just listen on localhost?
23:40<marshwallow>yeah.
23:40<millisa>bind-address I think?
23:40<marshwallow>checked SHOW VARIABLES. bind-address is 127.0.0.1, not 0.0.0.0.
23:42<marshwallow>I've found on the internets that 0.0.0.0 means it's accepting connections indiscriminately. 127.0.0.1 only localhost.
23:44<dwfreed>you can make listen on a unix socket instead of a network socket, but you will need a modern ssh client (or some hacks with something like socat) to forward the unix socket over an ssh connection
23:44<dwfreed>lsof -i -n will show *all* network sockets, including localhost
23:44<marshwallow>ugh.
23:48<marshwallow>but still, it does a little chit-chat (throws a "ERROR 2013 (HY000): Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 104" error) even with non-localhost clients. any way to lock that down too?
23:49<marshwallow>I mean, even if it rejects, that response means it's listening, no?
23:53<millisa>I think you might have something else happening? I just tried a fresh mysql install, set the bind-address to 127.0.0.1 and mysql doesn't answer on the public IP, even when I am connecting from the local system.
23:54<marshwallow>not at all?
23:54<marshwallow>not even an error message?
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23:55<millisa>the mysql client gives an error, sure, but it's that it can't connect. not any different than if I just pointed it at some random IP
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23:56<millisa>reference: https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.7/en/server-options.html#option_mysqld_bind-address
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