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---Logopened Thu Sep 28 00:00:16 2017
00:01<marshwallow>read, but can't really tell when will it print the above pasted error.
00:01<marshwallow>maybe it's late :P.
00:01<marshwallow>tried mysql -h, stuck trying to get a response.
00:02<marshwallow>same thing happens in my case when ufw is enabled.
00:03<marshwallow>tried mysql -h, error 2013. the same happens when I disable ufw.
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00:04<marshwallow>error 2005 happens when I try to connect to an address which is definitely bad (<insertkeyboardmashedcharshere>.com).
00:04<marshwallow>so, I guess ... it's okay?
00:14<react>uhhh what are you trying to do marshwallow
00:14<Zimsky>see how many errors you can accrue in a day
00:14<marshwallow>just trying to make mysql somewhat secure-ish
00:15<react>10 seconds, ez
00:15<react>no, 5 seconds.
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00:23<marshwallow>hint: don't cat /usr/bin/mysql_secure_installation when connected via ssh.
00:23<marshwallow>thought it was a bash script, but it was a binary file.
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00:32<marshwallow>react, from what I see, mysql_secure_installation does not do anything particular regarding remote server access.
00:33<marshwallow>I've already did other security thingies it does.
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00:39<Zimsky>marshwallow: do you have an operational requirement to use mysql over a different database?
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00:58<linbot>use sqlite
00:59<millisa>I have never been so excited about 'smart' home products before. It says here they are integrating amazon alexa with a billy bass.
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01:00<dwfreed>millisa: ohgod
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01:00<millisa>I need it.
01:01<dwfreed>millisa: and then when it becomes sentient, the next time you ask it to play "Take me to the river" it replies with, "No, fuck you"
01:01<millisa>I think I'd be ok with that.
01:01<millisa>I've had 'combine billy bass with rpi zero w + eliza' on my list for a while now. Now I can skip some steps
01:04<millisa>it's beauuuuutiful.
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01:07<linbot>New news from forum: Performance and Tuning • Poor PHP benchmark script performance (what's yours?) <>
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01:43*dcraig tickles linbot around a bit with a large seatrout
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01:43<dcraig>where's ACKaros?
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02:18<Eugene>Every night I'm a towel
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02:25<Woet>Eugene: dis you?
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03:02<GeorgeJetson>Hello I have been using `mail` which is symlinked to mailx to read the emails from cron on my debian/testing system. I would like a higher-level user interface to this email, either textual or graphical. Could someoone recommend something?
03:04<GeorgeJetson>Hmm, maybe. Right now, read messages go to an mbox file. I would much rather that all messages be reviewable at a later date.
03:05<GeorgeJetson>screenshots link at is broken -
03:07<jeremye77>That’s my answer not a greeting :)
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03:09<GeorgeJetson>mutt does seem like a nice step up. thanks FluffyFoxeh
03:27<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • SSH: Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic,password). <>
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04:16<intbizth>Hi, i got this issue: inbound Denial of Service (DoS) attack that is targeting an IP ...
04:17<intbizth>what i can do?
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04:18<Woet>are you the source or the destination?
04:19<intbizth>i don't know got message from ticket
04:19<intbizth>Hello, We've identified an inbound Denial of Service (DoS) attack that is targeting an IP address assigned to your Linode (....). As the attack was large enough to negatively impact our network and subsequently the service of other customers, we've null routed the IP address until the attack subsides.
04:22<Ikaros>You'll just have to wait for the attack to subside then, as it states. Nothing else you can do.
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04:24<Woet>intbizth: do you run anything people would be interested in attacking?
04:24<Woet>anything popular? an IRC server?
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04:25<Zimsky>Woet: why would that matter
04:25<Woet>Zimsky: why do you matter?
04:26<Zimsky>I don't
04:26*Ikaros sighs
04:26<Zimsky>why do you think I matter?
04:26<Woet>so dont talk to me you dirty pig
04:26<Woet>only cool people like Eugene can talk to me
04:26<Woet>he linodes erry day
04:26*Zimsky giggles herself silly
04:26<Zimsky>erry day?
04:26<Zimsky>more like biweekly
04:27<Woet>he's going through a rough time, okay?
04:29<Woet>it doesnt help Google no longer has "images" and "maps" as the 2nd and 3rd choices consistently
04:29<Woet>my Japanese isn't good enough for this
04:29<Woet>searching for "stop cyberbullying" on google shopping doesn't help
04:30<Ikaros>O...k I see this is when the craz[y|ier] people are up and about so I'm just gonna take my leave now.
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04:34<Zimsky>Woet: it's alright, it's best for the dull and boring people to sod off early
04:34<Woet>speaking of dull and boring people, wheres Peng at
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04:35<Zimsky>probably on a holiday to dull and boring land
04:35<Zimsky>I hear Texas is lovely this time of year
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05:58<timsteven>am new at linode
05:58<timsteven>i want hellp in using these servers
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06:27<tgb>Hi @all
06:27<tgb>is there somebody
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06:32<linbot>tgb: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
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06:35<tgb>how fast is the connection between china and tokoyo
06:36<dwfreed>that's going to depend on a lot of factors, most outside of Linode's controll
06:39<tgb>i am from germany but i need an information about the avg connection time between china and tokoyo
06:40<dwfreed>that's not something really anybody would know, other than somebody in China
06:40<dwfreed>and that's going to be affected by where they are in china
06:41<tgb>thank you
06:42<tgb>i would choose linode 8gb but i need more storage capacity. is there a posibility to upgrade the storage?
06:47<dwfreed>not at this time, though a block storage product is in the works (see the topic)
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08:29<Deft>so I just signed up, it said my account was under review and wait for an email
08:29<Deft>I got an email, a receipt confirming my payment has been taken
08:29<Deft>but my account is still blocked
08:30<Deft>I also missed a call, didn;t even ring once
08:30<Deft>anyone from Linode in here?
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08:30<@jhaas>Deft: the call probably wasn't from us. In some cases signups get flagged for additional review. If you don't get another e-mail from us in 15 minutes feel free to open a support ticket or give us a call :)
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08:31<Deft>I'm in China, calling isn't really convenient, but thanks @Jhaas
08:32<@jhaas>(or e-mail, including the last 6 of the credit card for authentication)
08:32<Deft>thats more like it, thanks @jhaas
08:32<@jhaas>you're welcome!
08:32<Deft>had a bit of a rigmarole with siteground like this last time
08:33<Deft>seems that number is calling again, but keeps hanging up 027 8717 3888
08:33<Deft>not Chinese number
08:33<@jhaas>that's definitely not us
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08:35<Deft>IIRC proper old skool in here
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09:48<marshwallow>replaced ntpdate with openntpd. now I regret.
09:49<marshwallow>when I systemctl start openntpd service, it show a ton of ports on which it's listening.
09:50<marshwallow>uh, not anymore?
09:57<marshwallow>fine then.
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10:28<Night>Hey is there away to get a new I have never been able to use whois.ripe from my current one
10:30<ponas>Night: you can create a new Linode and swap IPs with it:
10:30<ponas>or email, they can probably hook you up with a new one somehow
10:31<ponas>obviously by doing the swapping yourself you'll have more control of when it happens
10:31<Night>ponas it look slike all of the /32 range from v6 is banned
10:31<ponas>oh, ipv6
10:31<Night>I can whois with -h host of ripe but not v6
10:32<Night> whois -h 2001:67c:2e8:22::c100:687 works whois -h does not
10:35<Night>any idea ponas?
10:35<Night>I can edit and remove rdns but not change subnet/
10:36<ponas>Night: I'm seeing the same as you, I'm blocked when doing whois via ipv6, but forcing it to use works
10:36<ponas>Night: I think Linode needs to get in touch with RIPE, you should email
10:37<Night>Indeed, I'm a LIR so i do have some contacts but since it is not my object it is hard for me to deal with it
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10:41<smallclone>Ping0008: hi, feel free to ask your question
10:41<Night>ponas: send an email to support lets see
10:41<ponas>Night: \o/
10:42<Nightmeare>I forgot i had this window in screen ^^
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10:44<smallclone>mcintosh ^ you didn't ban the ip?
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10:45<@mcintosh>smallclone: ip bans aren't really all that effective but fair enough i guess
10:46<smallclone>i always used to mess up the ip ban command so i can't really complain
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10:49<ponas>mcintosh: that RIPE IPv6 IP ban is super effective though
10:49<ponas>"IPv6 IP" :|
10:51<grawity>Night: are you sure it's the whole /32 and not just the shared /64
10:52<grawity>I think it's just their automatic per-/64 ratelimit kicking in, or something such
10:52<marshwallow>found this in my netstat -pln output:
10:52<marshwallow>unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 13900 3555/ntpd: [priv] /var/lib/openntpd/run/ntpd.sock
10:52<marshwallow>can I somehow tell it NOT to listen?
10:53<ponas>grawity: even an adress in my /116 pool from 2a01:7e00::/32 is blocked
10:53<grawity>probably, but why
10:53<grawity>ponas: but don't those pools come from the shared /64 as well
10:53<marshwallow>because Linode's Securing Your Server guide says I should remove all the unnecessary services.
10:54<grawity>marshwallow: then you should be removing the service, not its control socket...
10:55<marshwallow>is a control socket visible to the outer world?
10:56<marshwallow>oh, okay then.
10:56<grawity>ponas: whois from another /64 on the same linode works just fine here
10:59<ponas>grawity: pretty sure they're separate pools
11:00<grawity>they're still pools though
11:00<grawity>so if your /116 pool comes from the same /64 as all other linodes' /116's, you still end up with the same shared ratelimit
11:01<grawity>what's the prefix -- does it start with 2a01:7e00:0:0:...?
11:01<ponas>2a01:7e00::20:c000 - cfff
11:01<grawity>so it's the same pool as regular!
11:01<grawity>I meant to say, it's the same /64
11:02<grawity>from's PoV, it's not separate at all
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11:48<marshwallow>does SSH need both incoming and outgoing traffic?
11:49<marshwallow>... if that's even possible or necessary to do with ufw
11:53<@jhaas>marshwallow: the answer to that question is yes. typically you would allow all outgoing connections in your firewall. then restrict all incoming connections except for specific ports (e.g. ssh 22)
11:54<@jhaas>full context, when you ssh to a server, the connection gets multiplexed to a different port (it's not on 22 after the initial handshake is done) typically in the 20k+ range
11:55<marshwallow>but ... it "enters" the server at port 22, right?
11:55<@jhaas>and then it "leaves" the server on a high-number port
11:56<marshwallow>and that's why it makes no sense to allow only whitelisted outgoing ports?
11:56*jhaas nods
11:56<marshwallow>thanks for the explanation! :)
11:57<marshwallow>ufw is quite simple, but I don't want to allow more communication than it's enough.
12:10<marshwallow>(y) :D
12:10<marshwallow>guess that's a Chinese take on Linode
12:20<dwfreed>jhaas: that's not entirely accurate; on the server side, traffic is received to and sent from port 22; the client side uses a random port usually higher than 49151, though it could be any port higher than 1023 depending on the client side's configuration
12:21<@jhaas>quite possible i don't fully understand it
12:21<@jhaas>i'll have to read up on it some more
12:22*jhaas also might have been thinking of FTP
12:22<marshwallow>dwfreed, does that mean I can block all unknown outgoing traffic as well?
12:22<dwfreed>that's stupid
12:22<marshwallow>good enough :D
12:24<dwfreed>jhaas: yes, ftp uses a different port for transfers; generally speaking, everybody uses passive mode these days, so for transfers, they make a separate connection to port 23
12:24<dwfreed>jhaas: but all control commands go over the connection to port 21
12:24<@jhaas>!point dwfreed
12:24<linbot>jhaas: Point given to dwfreed. (26) (Biggest fan: mcintosh, total: 6)
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12:31<marshwallow>!point dwfreed
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12:51<Night>grawity: 32 makes more sense since more people get it, it is normal for enduser assignment is a 64
12:51<Night>it might be a /48, but doublty andy higher/lower
12:55<trippeh>the /116's really should be sparse allocated on /64 boundaries.
12:56<trippeh>as is today they are unusable for email, for example
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13:00<trippeh>same with the default assigned address really, but that is uhm, probably somewhat more complicated.
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13:03<Deft>Hi, looking for a bit of advice re reverse DNS settings
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13:04<Deft>I am setting up a mail-in-the-box email server
13:04<Deft>I managed it fairly painlessly with a DO test server earlier, but they have reverse DNS pre-configured
13:04<Abhishek>I am new on this Linode and we have a server and its down
13:05<Deft>so, I think my DNS settings are corrent, but the look up in the reverse DNS settings is failing to find my domain
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13:05<Deft>can anyone tell me
13:05<Abhishek>Can anyone tell me how to make it up againi
13:05<Deft>is this lookup internal, or is it looking externally at the name servers that I have set up at my domain registrar
13:05<react>Abhishek: are you a Linoded "Managed" customer?
13:05<Deft>as they have just been changed to custom glue hostname name servers
13:06<react>if it's urgent, you should call them
13:06<Abhishek>okay thanks let me try to call them and ask the issue.
13:06<@jhaas>Deft: it'll be performing a general DNS lookup, so external in this case
13:07<@jhaas>what's the domain?
13:07<Deft>@jhaas ah that could be the issue then
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13:08<Deft>domain is with GOdaddy, and they have already told me that there has been an issue with the changes propagating, as I have made a fair few changes this evening, testing it on different servers
13:08<Deft>@jhaas, thank you again mate, much appreciated
13:08<react>eek godaddy, gross
13:08<@jhaas>no problem
13:09<Deft>have I got the lurgy now
13:09*jhaas uses namecheap
13:09<Deft>not my choice
13:09<Deft>clients domain registrar
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13:10<Deft>I moved their hosting to aliyun, but she doesn't want the email server in China
13:10<Deft>anyway, thanks again, I am gonna crash, hopefully this will be sorted in the morning
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13:18<grawity>Night: you kinda missed the point
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13:19<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
13:22<Zimsky>but it's night time
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13:26<linbot>jalter: Point given to eugene. (32) (Biggest fan: jalter, total: 10)
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14:42<poky>Hello! I just received a notification saying "outbound traffic rate by averaging 11.63 Mb/s for the last 2 hours" Is this bad?
14:42<synfinatic>it's an FYI
14:42<poky>How can I track what caused that?
14:43<poky>I am not expecting traffic that can serve 11Mb/s
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14:43<synfinatic>i'd look in my logs and look for anything surprising
14:43<poky>Dont have anything on my server to download. just simple blog sites.
14:43<synfinatic>maybe someone downloading the same image over and over again
14:44<synfinatic>or you're an open relay for spam or got hacked or
14:44<millisa>you could use something like nethogs to verify that the traffic is coming from a process that you might expect
14:45<poky>Maybe. I had some malware on my server which I removed by clamscan synfinatic
14:45<poky>millisa: How can use that? Command lines?
14:46<poky>millisa: Is this good?
14:46<millisa>yes, command line. that is who writes it, yep
14:47<millisa>but the only thing you might get out of it is confirming that the traffic is coming from httpd/nginx instead of your mail server
14:47<millisa>it's not going to tell you why the traffic is higher on whatever is causing it
14:47<poky>No worries, Dont use mail server. Too much hassle for a guy like me
14:47<poky>On it! Thanks!
14:48<millisa>doesn't mean it's not the mail server (someone could be submitting mail via a webform or something)
14:48<millisa>iftop might also be useful (it's linked at the bottom of the nethogs page)
14:49<poky>Installed nethogs. ran "sudo setcap "cap_net_admin,cap_net_raw+pe" /usr/local/sbin/nethogs" some error.
14:49<poky>Which is easier for me? :p
14:50<millisa>this is usually enough to start looking: sudo nethogs
14:52<poky>iftop showing realtime bandwidth (good to learn). Is there a way to find out what had occured bandwidth usage 2 hours ago?
14:52<poky>Am I asking too much?
14:52<millisa>log analysis mostly.
14:53<grawity>such detailed logs aren't kept by default, are they
14:53<poky>grawity!!!! How are you?
14:53<millisa>if its web traffic, might be able to use something like goaccess to track it down.
14:56<poky>Thanks. Trying what goaccess does. reading about it
14:57<millisa>it's just a simple weblog analyzer. there's a section that shows traffic by hour though, which might help you decide if it really was web traffic.
14:57<poky>works on nginx?
14:57<grawity>as long as the log format is the same, it should
14:59<millisa>you can feed it a log format to use, too
15:01<poky>need help. ran it using 'goaccess -f /var/log/nginx/access.log' It is asking me in what format. Have 4 options.
15:01<poky>I can go with any one right?
15:01<poky>NCSA or common log format
15:02<millisa>if you defined them that way, it might be one of those
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15:02<poky>Ok. Got some stats.
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15:03<poky>But i have not enabled log files for all websites. Well, thanks a lot. I think I can take it from here. Learnt a lot today!
15:04<poky>Thanks to millisa and grawity
15:04<poky>Thanks synfinatic too !
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15:33<rohit>i am new to LINODE ?
15:34<rohit>can anyone show me around ?
15:34<millisa>have you looked at the getting started guide?
15:34<rohit>not yet
15:34<millisa> is a good place to start
15:34<rohit>where can i find it ?
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15:35<rohit>what kind of support does LINODE gives, i am curretly over hostgator
15:36<millisa>Well, you can call them, put in tickets, email... But it's expected that you'd be handling things on the operating system and application side.
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15:36<millisa>It's not like hostgator; these are vps setups - they allocate cpu/memory/disk and you install whatever linux you want and then do the setup/config of the applications you need on top of that.
15:37<millisa>well, *mostly* not like hostgator. they have their vps product line
15:37<rohit>what i my site does stops working, do they help to resolve or debug the problem ?
15:38<rohit>or mysql DB is getting very busy ? will they help to identify the problem ?
15:38<millisa>if it's something wrong with the underlying hardware/network they would. but if it's something in your OS or application setup, not really. they have a professional support and managed service level that might cover some of that.
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15:38<marshwallow_>otherwise, well, you have IRC, no?
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15:38<marshwallow>... and all the stuff millisa mentioned
15:38<rohit>is IRC really helpful ?
15:39<marshwallow>depends on the part of day, but I'd say yes.
15:39<marshwallow>heck, even I could help you if it's a basic problem :D.
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15:40<rohit>i have a magento2 website and its killing my server ?
15:40<rohit>i dont know how to resolve it ?
15:40<rohit>the site is taking too long
15:40<marshwallow>wow, no dinner, no small talk, straight to the job? :D
15:41<marshwallow>hmm, I'd check the CPU and mem graphs...
15:41<marshwallow>perhaps access.log
15:42<rohit>"I'd check the CPU and mem graphs" where to find this ?
15:42<marshwallow>you might want to check /var/log/syslog too ... maybe you have some bad configuration problem in the background.
15:42<marshwallow>Linode has such stuff when you go to
15:43<marshwallow>if your provider doesn't, er, provide such stuff, you can always check `top` and `free` via SSH.
15:45<marshwallow>this seems to work quite fine: `ps -eo pcpu,pid,user,args | sort -k 1 -r | head -10` (credit
15:46<marshwallow>replace pcpu with pmem for memory usage
15:47<rohit>ok thats great
15:47<rohit>and how to check whats is happening on the server on hitting a url eg:
15:48<rohit>how many requests it created and what is causing more time ?
15:48<rohit>which service or exactly what i going on in the server when i hit a URL ?
15:49<marshwallow>you can get some insight if you read the earlier mentioned access.log and error.log. it should be in the logs public_html sibling folder.
15:50<jeremye77>Magento is a killer app…literally. It is monsterous. You might need some caching.
15:51<rohit>but i am working in development mode and its really very slow i cant work like this.... it takes 2-4 mins to show up a page
15:52<marshwallow>are you sure you're not running on a RPi? :P
15:52<marshwallow>is that even possible?
15:52<rohit>RPi ?
15:52<smallclone>rohit: then it's possible that the linode plan you're using is just too small. what distro is it? i'd bet you're probably running out of memory
15:52<marshwallow>rohit: raspberry pi
15:52<rohit>i have 8GB ram and 4 core CPU
15:53<rohit>raspberry pi ---- lol... NO
15:53<marshwallow>smallclone, I think rohit is still on hostgator.
15:53<jeremye77>I have never had Magento be that slow…even on a 1024. Something is wrong, heh
15:53<rohit>no i have moved to LINODE for development mode to try linode.... but it sucks
15:54<rohit>something is wrong.... how to figure it.... whats wrong ?
15:54<marshwallow>check above messages.
15:54<marshwallow>or ... what other people said.
15:55<marshwallow>are you serving a lot of visitors?
15:55<jeremye77>is your system trying to use IpV6 but your server is not answering, then waiting for that to time out before it tries ipV4?
15:55<smallclone>have you ruled out the possibility of a networking issue? something like mtr -rwc 10 --tcp
15:57<rohit>visitors -- no -- as i said i am in developing mode.... only i am the visitor
15:58<marshwallow>I never worked with Magento, but it still sounds like something is seriously wrong.
15:58<marshwallow>I mean, I believe that even a VM would serve a Magento page faster.
15:58<rohit>no logs is showing any problem
15:59<rohit>it just not working
15:59<marshwallow>you have to have at least a warning :P.
15:59<rohit>its just taking the time
15:59<rohit>is ther a way to find what is executing inside the server ?
15:59<jeremye77>how long does it take to load locally with curl or wget?
16:00<rohit>which part of the code, till which line its executed ?
16:00<marshwallow>an IDE could help you with that.
16:00<marshwallow>just make sure to configure remote interpreters.
16:00<rohit>" locally with curl or wget" u mean to say from same machine if i run the command... its the same time
16:01<rohit>i am using sublime text edit
16:01<jeremye77>run wget on the server to get the information from the server using localhost in place of the domain name
16:03<millisa>did you increase the php memory limit? did you do any mysql performance tuning? did you turn on the mysql query cache?
16:03<millisa>Did you follow any specific guide for installing magento?
16:04<marshwallow>rohit, ignore my hints and questions, these people know what they're talking about :)
16:04<rohit>php memory limit : 1GB
16:04<millisa>the most recent guide I saw suggested 2gb as a start point
16:05<rohit>can you give me the link for the guide ?
16:05<millisa>there's this one on linode's site:
16:05<millisa>there's also this one for centos7
16:05<marshwallow>wow. Linode has guides on absolutely everything :D.
16:06<jeremye77>jeezus. Not to contradict the guide but I have never given it that kind of memory before.
16:07<millisa>seems high to me, too, but I don't use it
16:10<rohit>thanks guys will try everything and will be back here in few hours.... will be sleeping now
16:10<rohit>gud night and thankx
16:10<millisa>the magento devdocs also seem to use 2gb
16:13<jeremye77>The fact remains. I feel like you would get the darn PHP exhausted memory when it was having trouble in that department.
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16:14<marshwallow>for the sake of curiosity, wouldn't that end up in some log?
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16:15<jeremye77>most likely in php-fpm error log or the httpd server’s error log
16:15<millisa>it should...
16:16<jeremye77>the script would die also, you would know.
16:16<marshwallow>great :) ... then my advice to check logs wasn't a complete noob nonsense :)
16:17<jeremye77>I feel like logs are good advice in almost all situations.
16:20<marshwallow>so I thought, but then rohit found no errors in his logs, so I started doubting that idea.
16:21<marshwallow>now that we've touched the logs topic ... do you people have any idea why I'm getting tons of these errors?
16:21<marshwallow>MMM DD HH:MM:SS <hostname> postfix/sendmail[<PID>]: fatal: open /etc/postfix/ Permission denied
16:24<jeremye77>just cos there are no errors reported does not mean there aren’t errors. The messages may be supressed. I feel like it is a network issue which would more likely be in the logs of his workstation some type of timeout perhaps, DNS lookups aren’t working or are directing somewhere else on Ipv6 or some other wonky situation.
16:27<millisa>did you go through the effort of enabling selinux?
16:27<millisa>what are the permissions on the /etc/postfix/ file?
16:27<millisa>well, and ownerships
16:27<marshwallow> -rw-r----- 1 root root 2512 Sep 24 00:12 /etc/postfix/
16:28<marshwallow>and then I got a suggestion on #postfix to change to 0644.
16:28<marshwallow>now it's
16:28<marshwallow>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2512 Sep 24 00:12 /etc/postfix/
16:28<millisa>that'd fix it
16:28<millisa>the postfix user isn't in the root group, and you had read/write for the root user, read for the root group, and nothing for anyone else.
16:29<marshwallow>sure, makes sense even to me.
16:29<marshwallow>but it didn't fix the problem.
16:29<millisa>did you restart postfix?
16:29<marshwallow>not even after restarting postfix.
16:29<millisa>check the /etc/postfix dir then.
16:30<millisa>pretty sure the dir is 755 by default
16:31<marshwallow>should I chmod it to 755?
16:31<millisa>probably, same reason
16:32<marshwallow>chmodded, postfix restarted, will see now.
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16:35<marshwallow>got the same error for, should I chmod it to 755 too?
16:35<millisa>probably. i'm guessing maybe you did a recursive permission replacement at some point?
16:35<marshwallow>is there a postfix user I can chown the whole folder to?
16:35<marshwallow>only what was recommended here:
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16:37<marshwallow>it works. thanks!
16:37<millisa>seems like an odd suggestion if they dont have you change the owner of the dir
16:38<millisa>(as far as I know, giving the /etc/postfix dir to the postfix user should work and you could leave it 750/640)
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16:38<millisa>The problem with it being 755/644 is anyone who has a shell on the system could feasibly read it - which wouldn't be a big deal except that guide has you doing mysql based mailboxes . .so any shell user could get access to the mysql db
16:40<marshwallow>that's what I'd like to skip, except if that's seriously needlessly paranoid.
16:40<marshwallow>can I just chown -R postfix:postfix /etc/postfix?
16:40<gparent>it's not paranoid not to let every single user on your system to access your mailboxes.
16:41<gparent>it's common sense.
16:41<millisa>(other users would include the web service users)
16:41<gparent>yeah I mean unix user here
16:41<gparent>so even stuff that isnt a real person
16:42<marshwallow>okay ... some other group then?
16:42<millisa>chown to postfix along with chmod 750 for the dir and 640 for the files in the dir should work fine
16:43<marshwallow>group remains root?
16:43<millisa>can't think of a reason to leave it as root
16:43<marshwallow>just asking.
16:44<marshwallow>postfix both user and group then?
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16:45<marshwallow>okay, thanks!
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17:23<smallclone>anil: feel free to ask your question
17:27<anil>it's ok I called you can close this chat
17:27<smallclone>this isn't a support chat but you can just close the window / tab or whatever
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17:35<marshwallow>a trip that turned out to be a nightmare.
17:35<marshwallow>sounds like a good generic horror movie :D.
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18:13<marshwallow>millisa, still getting Permission denied...
18:14<marshwallow>... and a new one:
18:14<marshwallow>Sep 28 22:56:16 <hostname> postfix/pickup[11619]: warning: /etc/postfix/ file is owned or writable by non-root users -- skipping this file
18:16<marshwallow>... and I got trolled on #postfix for mentioning 750/640 :P
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18:24<marshwallow>... or was it because of the user:group? postfix should not have "write permissions to its config files"...
18:25<millisa>dunno. says the and have to be owned by root.
18:29<millisa>(I'd have to google it, just like you. but it's time for football.)
18:29<marshwallow>okay, okay, have a nice time. thanks for helping nevertheless.
18:29<react>how about just using google as the mail provider...
18:30<marshwallow>that's an okay suggestion, I guess, but I'd like to try it this way.
18:31<react>$5 per use per month, and no silly messing around with managing postfix
18:31<marshwallow>heh, the same thing could be said regarding Linux.
18:31<marshwallow>just use Windows :D.
18:31<marshwallow>no silly messing around.
18:32<react>$5 also gets you cloud storage, video conferencing, spam protection, backups, etc.
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18:33<react>I get the whole democratization, DIY mentality, but cmon... $5, cup of coffee for a zero ops solution, gimme a break lol
18:34<marshwallow>all the same applies to the above given comparison.
18:35<react>wrong. unless your time is truly worthless, you can't implement a HA, fault tolerant email solution like a big PaaS provider
18:36<marshwallow>yeah ... except that Cinnamon crashed on me once a day, and Windows could go on for years ... if offline :D.
18:36<marshwallow>same for KDE.
18:36<marshwallow>or literally anything a company hasn't developed.
18:36<marshwallow>but I'm not really into convincing.
18:37<marshwallow>I would like to know the proper permissions for the /etc/postfix folder, and that's all.
18:37<marshwallow>heck, I could even pay Phacility instead of Linode, but I suppose that's not the point of the story, no?
18:39<smallclone>ehh you're talking about stuff like graphics driver compatibility...if linux itself weren't stable it wouldn't be the basis of all of these cloud email offerings that you're trying to approximate
18:40<marshwallow>graphics driver compatibility?!
18:40<marshwallow>that's a completely different story.
18:40<marshwallow>kinda bearable on software rendering.
18:41<marshwallow>I was talking about its suitability for desktop usage.
18:41<react>like all things cloud, it shouldn't be emotional, it's about value-add and ECONOMICS
18:42<react>if implementing postfix is educational, AWESOME, good luck
18:42<marshwallow>well, yeah, kinda.
18:42<marshwallow>but so is using Linode instead of Phacility.
18:42<smallclone>i don't think it's entirely fair to compare the maybe slightly higher barrier to entry for a linux desktop to the very real difficulty of running your own web server, where even most of the people with the knowledge would tell you it's not worth it..
18:43<react>wtf is phacility lol
18:43<marshwallow>lol :D
18:43<marshwallow>a hosting website for Phabricator instances
18:43<smallclone>ah well that clears everything right up
18:44*react cringe
18:44<smallclone>anyway did you try chown'ing those files to be owned by root?
18:44<marshwallow>still getting Permission denied here and there.
18:45<react>setenforce 0
18:45<marshwallow>react, alternatives are always welcome.
18:45<marshwallow>selinux is not installed.
18:45<react>why not!
18:46<marshwallow>we can't bring up postfix without selinux, what would happen if selinux was in the story as well?
18:47<react>it was more a rhetorical reminder that if you're running with a MAC subsystem and enforcing, to make things permissive for a short while
18:49<marshwallow>well, permissive, enforcing, disabled or not installed at all, postfix is still being denied permissions
18:51<synfinatic>lol. i just disabled selinux on a vm. i'm a horrible person
18:51<ponas>you should set the proper permissions on the files postfix is being denied access to
18:51<ponas>should fix your issues ;)
18:52<synfinatic>had real work to do and it was in the way
18:52<marshwallow>ponas, I know :P
18:52<ponas>selinux has wasted too many hours of my life
18:53<ponas>i have a post-it note attached to my monitor saying "it's selinux"
18:53<marshwallow>but ... what are the permissions postfix would expect for
18:54<ponas>on the mail server I manage it's: Access: (0644/-rw-r--r--) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root)
18:54<marshwallow>can I use 0644 for all files in /etc/postfix?
18:55<ponas>marshwallow: at least for *.cf
18:55<synfinatic>and *.db
18:55<ponas>I have some executables in my /etc/postfix. they should be executable obviously
18:55<marshwallow>that makes sense :D
18:55<synfinatic>postfix-script & postfix-install
18:56<marshwallow>well, thanks :)
18:56<marshwallow>gonna try it out now.
18:56<synfinatic>everything else is 644 for me... except my sasl dir
18:56<synfinatic>need that +x
19:02<marshwallow>my sasl directory is empty, chmod +x to it anyways?
19:03<marshwallow>and I got no postfix-install, but post-install. starts with a #! /bin/sh, so I supposed it needs executable permissions too.
19:04<marshwallow>did `chmod +x sasl`. hope it doesn't do anything bad.
19:07<marshwallow>left postfix-files to 644, as it's not an executable file, or at least it doesn't quack like one.
19:08<marshwallow>okay, one last question, hopefully - what about the parent folder itself?
19:13<marshwallow>still getting Permission denied for -.-
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19:18<marshwallow>fixed by chmodding /etc/postfix to 755
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19:21<jasuja>What's the cheapest way to configure that?
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19:21<MrPPS>well, I don't know of any linode that provides 1TB of storage
19:22<kyhwana>block storage is still in beta isn't it?
19:23<MrPPS>It is yeah
19:24<kyhwana>hm and only in newark, free during beta, $0.10 per GB after
19:27<ajmitch_>hopefully fremont soon
19:28<ajmitch_>"with the next week or two' 2 weeks ago
19:29<FluffyFoxeh>last I checked (a few days ago), Newark's block storage was full. couldn't create even a 1GB volume
19:30<FluffyFoxeh>looks like that is still the case
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19:33<kyhwana>and I wouldn't use it for prod, in any case
19:41<dwfreed>fremont coming real soon in the beta
19:41<ajmitch_>time to move all my critical data to it
19:43<marshwallow>!point ajmitch_
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19:51<@mcintosh>galexand: yes but if you don't have backups, you should take them before performing any disk operation along those lines
19:51<galexand>thanks :)
19:53<linbot>New news from forum: Current Betas • Linode Block Storage (beta) <>
19:54<MailR>Hi. It's been eons since I've set up email for a new domain in a linode (think Gmail when it was free to use that as the client). Most recently I used Remind me - how to I the custom MX records needed to tie emails to I'm bare bones ie: no inbox set up
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21:51<Zimsky>guess Eugene isn't linodin today
21:51<Eugene>Excuse fucking me?
21:52<Zimsky>yeah, no, I'm not going to do that
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22:44<Zimsky>"64 bytes from icmp_seq=12028 ttl=54 time=-479.976 ms"
22:44<Zimsky>well how now brown cow
22:45<Zimsky>must have finally switched over to that tachyonic antitelephone line
22:49<pithecus>I'm linodin' today
22:50<pithecus>someone stole my name. so I have to change it.
22:52<pithecus>At least they're thorough. Its in Hinode, Chinese, Japanese, and Korean.
22:52<Woet>but does Eugene hinode every day?
22:52<Eugene>Every night I'm a towel
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22:54<Woet>why isnt it streaming
22:54<Woet>i want 4K 60 FPS
22:54<Woet>why is one cam aimed at a door
22:54<Woet>whats behind the door
22:54<Woet>so many questions
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22:56<pithecus>its live? its not updating.
22:56<pithecus>where are you kalifornia?
22:57<Woet>why is there a bearded man on a chair in the kitchen
22:57<Eugene>That's the closet that I keep my homophobia in
22:58<Eugene>And I am the bearded man
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22:58<Eugene>And I only have Comcast Cable at home now. I do have "RTSP Streaming camera" on my ToDo list, but its waaaaay down there
22:59<Eugene>The patio is unrelated.
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23:02<synfinatic>if i have to tell ya, you don't want to know
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23:44<pithecus>Do you know the muffin man?
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23:46<wraeth>the muffin man?
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