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#linode IRC Logs for 2017-09-29

---Logopened Fri Sep 29 00:00:17 2017
00:04<pithecus>yes, the muffin man.
00:06<pithecus>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpBJih02aYU
00:15<Eugene>Biscuits, actually.
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01:17<sudo69>.
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01:18<sudo69>
01:19<Peng>sudo69: What are you doing stop
01:19<sudo69>just checking my internet speed
01:20<pithecus>keep going until you are banned
01:21<sudo69>🖕
01:24<dcraig>are you on wifi?
01:27<Zimsky>sudo69
01:27<dcraig>Zimsky
01:27<Zimsky>don't do that
01:28*Zimsky dcraig
01:28<Zimsky>cdraig
01:28<sudo69>yes
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01:28<cdraig>wololo
01:29<dcraig>this is weird
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01:29<pithecus>weird is this
01:29<dcraig>what's new zimsky
01:29<Zimsky>a new Zimsky is just like an old Zimsky, but created more recently
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01:30<dcraig>I like Zimsky aged in oak barrels for at least 25 years
01:31<Zimsky>don't do that
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01:31<Zimsky>dcraig: you know what the most painful thing is?
01:31<Zimsky>waiting for the jelly to set.
01:32<dcraig>you're making jelly?
01:32<Zimsky>yeah you jelly
01:32<dcraig>I'm not jelly
01:33<Celti> Your brains are jelly.
01:34<Zimsky>not really
01:34<Zimsky>they're comprised of neuronic cells and lipid matter
01:34<Zimsky>a good few astrocytes too
01:34<Zimsky>some CSF in and around the place
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01:47*dcraig tickles zimsky around a bit with a large streamer fish
01:53<FluffyFoxeh>yee
01:53*dcraig tickles fluffyfoxeh around a bit with a large snake mackerel
01:53<dcraig>FluffyFoxeh, what did you do today?
01:57<FluffyFoxeh>hmm not much
01:57<dcraig>sounds nice
02:00<FluffyFoxeh>woke up kind of late (11am), cleaned the pool, went to school, finished an assignment, discovered "telnet mapascii.me" (which is amazing by the way)
02:00<dcraig>what are you learning in school? :D
02:01<FluffyFoxeh>I'm in a computer science program. Might get a minor or other designation in psychology
02:01<dcraig>telnet: could not resolve mapascii.me/telnet: Name or service not known
02:01<Zimsky>FluffyFoxeh: people are twats who like cake
02:01<Zimsky>first year psychology covered.
02:01<dcraig>dare you to psychoanalyze Zimsky
02:02<FluffyFoxeh>dcraig: oh I got that wrong. mapscii.me
02:02<Zimsky>it's been done. There's no psych to analyse
02:03<FluffyFoxeh>dcraig: what I learn is closer to research science than psychiatry
02:03<FluffyFoxeh>:p
02:03<dcraig>this map is awesome, thank you
02:04<dcraig>I zoomed in on my apartment :D
02:04<Zimsky>psychiatry requires an MBBS
02:04<Zimsky>so you would need to go to med school
02:04<FluffyFoxeh>yes
02:04<Zimsky>only to say "feeling sad? here's some sertraline"
02:05<Zimsky>"you're crazy. you need to take risperdal every day"
02:05<millisa>neat. it actually has the shape of my house correct.
02:05<FluffyFoxeh>Zimsky: I take both of those things
02:05<FluffyFoxeh>rip
02:06<FluffyFoxeh>millisa: I think it sources OSM
02:06<Zimsky>FluffyFoxeh: ok
02:07<dcraig>millisa, yeah mine shows where my balcony juts out :D
02:09<dcraig>cursors seem to move in the opposite direction than what I want...
02:10<dcraig>how does an idiot like me get mouse support in putty?
02:11<FluffyFoxeh>I dunno it "just worked" in mate terminal
02:11<Zimsky>oh god it's in fucking node
02:13<dcraig>I don't know anything about node.js, but I love this guy:
02:13<dcraig>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e1zzna-dNw
02:13<FluffyFoxeh>Zimsky: yeah I know ._.
02:14<millisa>node.js sits on a throne of lies and smells of beef and cheese
02:14<FluffyFoxeh>big lies at that
02:14<dcraig>I really enjoy beef, cheese, and lying
02:15<FluffyFoxeh>now I remember why I had disabled youtube comments
02:15<Zimsky>you forgot that youtube comments are literally hitler?
02:17<FluffyFoxeh>his points may or may not be wrong but all the commenters have as evidence is "javascript is the future" and "lol, autism"
02:18<millisa>maybe they haven't seen real autism?
02:18<Zimsky>autism has many faces
02:18<Zimsky>yo dcraig take a selfie for us
02:23<FluffyFoxeh>i can't be arsed to find a selfie :p
02:23*linbot face of autism
02:24<FluffyFoxeh>linbot: selfie pls
02:24<dcraig>zimsky join my professional network on linkedin
02:25<FluffyFoxeh>sounds a bit too stuffy. is there an unprofessional network I can join?
02:26*dcraig endorses FluffyFoxeh for skills: fluffiness
02:27<FluffyFoxeh>why thank you
02:27<Zimsky>dcraig: fuck linkedin
02:28<dcraig>fine
02:28<Zimsky>should be called SuckedIn
02:29<FluffyFoxeh>haha
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02:55<Zimsky>don't do that
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03:30<sudo69>nb
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04:39<Abhsihek>HI Anyone there ?
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04:40<Abhsihek>Can anyone help in this : We have detected an outbound denial of service attack originating from your Linode. It appears that a process internal to your Linode is sending large amounts of malicious traffic towards other servers. We ask that you investigate this matter as soon as you are able. Once you have completed your investigation, kindly reply to this ticket with the answers to the following questions: 1) What was the source of the issue? 2) What st
04:41<hawk>I'm not sure if you wrote a question at the end, there's a max length to messages so it was cut off
04:41<grawity>start with netstat, maybe nethogs
04:41<Abhsihek>1) What was the source of the issue? 2) What steps did you take to resolve this issue? 3) What steps did you take to prevent this from occurring again?
04:41<Celti>Is it Wordpress? I bet it's Wordpress.
04:41<hawk>Also, jfyi, this is a community channel, so if you have questions directed at Linode, it's usually better to use the official channels (tickets, email, ...)
04:42<hawk>Abhsihek: Yes, those are the questions that Linode asked you, I presume?
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04:42<Abhsihek>Yes Exactly, but I don't know what the issue and this Linode seems very stupid provider and old system
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04:43<Abhsihek>Its now getting very tough to resolve the issue
04:44<hawk>Abhsihek: Well, your server appears to have been compromised one way or another, someone broke in and started running bad stuff. They want you to fix it and make sure you know what you did wrong that allowed that to happen so that it doesn't repeat.
04:44<hawk>Abhsihek: It makes a lot of sense, imo
04:44<hawk>(It's not a managed service after all, you maintain all the software running on the server.)
04:45<Abhsihek>someone broke in and started running bad stuff , its confusing as we are only have the server access and we just still running a simple application
04:46<Peng>What application?
04:46<Abhsihek>nothing else but I don't know why it seems suspicious for linode
04:46<Abhsihek>its a Odoo web application.
04:46<Peng>Abhsihek: There are 3 options: 1.) The abuse report is incorrect, 2.) You were running DDoSes on purpose, 3.) It was compromised somehow, regardless of who is to blame.
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04:48<Abhsihek>I think Linode need to upgrade their security system rather stopping a client servers, anyway I am thinking to call and ask them how to resolve it now.
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04:48<Peng>It's not an unmanaged VPS provider's job to totally stop you from having security problems.
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04:49<Abhsihek>Same application we are running with softlayer | AWS we never get any such issue but here I heard its good in term of cost so doing a test but experience is not good till so far
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04:55<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • I am the new girl <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15287&p=74709#p74709>
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05:00<RoBorg>hey, I have a couple of quick questions about backups - if I remove (delete) a server, do the backups get deleted as well? And if so, can I download a backup and upload it again later to restore?
05:00<@sjacobs>RoBorg: the backups would get removed, along with the Linode.
05:01<@sjacobs>https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/disk-images/copying-a-disk-image-over-ssh
05:01<@sjacobs>^ that is a good option. either from your Linode before your remove it, or from a restored backup.
05:02<RoBorg>cool, thanks :)
05:02<@sjacobs>it's always good to go through the restore steps, too, before clicking the "Remove" button on the original Linode.
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05:05<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • RTP/Asterisk/FreeSWITCH on Linode <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15249&p=74674#p74674>
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05:35<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED !!! <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15288&p=74710#p74710>
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05:49<Woet>!!!
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05:57<XCuxes0>:)
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06:02<af12>adad
06:02<af12>anyone?
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06:05<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED !!! <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15288&p=74711#p74711>
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06:14<@sjacobs>whoops. tab complete went with a heavy hand. :/
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07:03<pithecus>?
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09:36<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Automating update with stackscript - new version of grub? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14464&p=74712#p74712>
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12:19<zackrspv>quick question about apache2 if someone has a moment: Does it support the new TLD's like .io and .support?
12:21<Peng>Sure.
12:21<Peng>And .io isn't new. :P
12:21<Peng>Most software doesn't actually analyze TLDs. Apache would be happy to use an *invalid* one, if you want.
12:22<zackrspv>hmmmm, it's strange; whenever I add a .io to our configs via namehost (using same IP as our shared host, and same :80 port), and while ServerName and ServerAlias are setup, and document root is setup to go to the .io's doc root, it always redirects it to the primary namehost on the ip
12:22<zackrspv>it's working fine for the others, but not .io for some reason, so figured i'd ask. Thanks tho!
12:33<zackrspv>ah fixed it; oddly enough, removing it and readding to apache2 worked heh, dunno why lol nothing changed in the configs, but at least now it's resovling to the proper directory.
12:33<zackrspv>computers, gotta love em :P
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13:28<veecious>are there any good free ssl sites?
13:29<synfinatic>you mean ssl certs?
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13:30<veecious>yes
13:30<@mtjones>You can use Let's Encrypt: https://www.linode.com/docs/security/ssl/install-lets-encrypt-to-create-ssl-certificates
13:31<@mtjones>It's a SSL cert authority that gives away free SSLS
13:33<veecious>thanks ill try it out
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15:35<Indy_>Hi
15:36<Indy_>I want to puchase server using 1 TB of disk
15:36<Indy_>someone suggest me
15:36<millisa>The pricing is here: https://www.linode.com/pricing#all
15:37<millisa>There is a block storage product coming, but it is in beta right now
15:38<Indy_>so you mean there is no option for 1TB of disk
15:38<millisa>Did you look at the pricing page?
15:39<Indy_>yes i have checked . But my requirement is like 1TB disk 16 GB or Ram
15:40<millisa>linodes come as a cpu/memory/disk package.
15:40<Indy_>can i choose some custom pack
15:40<Indy_>here
15:40<Indy_>or not
15:41<millisa>It is "CPU, transfer, storage, and RAM bundled into one simple price."
15:41<millisa>until the block storage comes out of beta, if you want 1tb of disk space, you'd have to use one of the plans that has 1tb of disk space...
15:42<Indy_>but on that case i need to puchase the server with higher plan
15:42<Indy_>but i need only Disk size more as per my need not CPU and RAN
15:42<Indy_>but i need only Disk size more as per my need not CPU and RAM
15:44<Indy_>are you there @millisa
15:45<millisa>I am here...
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15:47<Indy_>please suggest me what can do .. is there no option available
15:48<millisa>If you need 1tb of space, you would need to buy a plan with 1tb or more of space. I don't have another way to say it.
15:48<Indy_>ok
15:49<Indy_>then i need to check with some other hosting ?
15:50<millisa>Do you?
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15:52<alex>Hi
15:52<millisa>Greetings
15:52<alex>Does Linode offer Dedicated servers?
15:52<millisa>They offer VPS
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15:53<alex>Or do you only offer virtual machines?
15:53<@mcintosh>only virtual machines
15:54<millisa>and balancers. and dns.
15:54<millisa>and reliability. and extreme amounts of patience.
15:55*synfinatic giggles
15:56<alex>I can't find your DNS pricing page
15:57<synfinatic>it's free
15:57<synfinatic>buy any linode and all your dns is free
15:57<alex>:O
15:59<alex>Can I have information about the infrastructure of the linodes?
16:00<alex>what kind of virtualization technique do you have?
16:00<millisa>it's kvm
16:02<alex>Is there kind of a rescue system? like if I want to reinstall an operating system on a host if I mess things up
16:02<millisa>Yep. You can boot into rescue mode. It's possible to even install alternate operating systems or your own custom linux distro
16:02<millisa>There's several ways to get console access to the system
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16:04<alex>Thanks for answering
16:04<millisa>You might want to page through the https://www.linode.com/docs/getting-started guide to see if its something you want to get into
16:05<alex>The thing is that I'm working for an organization, and we need more than a VM. Isn't there a way at all to purchase Dedicated hosts?
16:05<synfinatic>nope. just vm's. you can always get more then one
16:06<synfinatic>honestly, there are very few situations where a vm isn't good enough
16:06<synfinatic>like if you need to run kvm yourself...
16:06*react cringe
16:07<synfinatic>that's my life
16:07<alex>Yes that was my plan
16:07<react>I pity organizations that are stuck in IT patterns from 10 years ago, so sad
16:07<synfinatic>this is actually a corner case where it actually not only makes sense, but is the only way
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16:08<synfinatic>well only way that is at all cost rasonable
16:08<react>if you get the Linode 80GB, aren't you more or less guaranteed to be the sole tenant?
16:08<synfinatic>still kvm though
16:09<alex>Lets say I want to have all the vCPUs for a VM in the same NUMA node
16:09<alex>how about that? :p
16:09<synfinatic>"i'm sorry"
16:09<react>if your spend size is large enough alex, I would have an intimate chat with the Linode sales team, maybe they can work something out with you
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16:14<alex>Thanks a lot for help
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16:17<marshwallow_>Lish is also quite dope, no one mentioned it to alex...
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16:19<Megaf>What did he ask?
16:19<synfinatic>wanted dedicated server
16:20<Megaf>by the way, Linode, if you are hiring in Dublin or Frankfurt I might consider working for you if your offer is good.
16:20<Megaf>synfinatic, so Linode is not the company for him
16:21<synfinatic>yep
16:21<Megaf>Tho Linode VPSes may outperform lots of dedicated servers out there
16:22<synfinatic>he needed to run his own kvm
16:23<Megaf>Maybe he doens't
16:23<Megaf>maybe all he needed was a Linode and LXC
16:24<synfinatic>all i know is if someone asks me if the gun is pointed at their foot, I'm not going to tell them maybe they should point it somewhere else :)
16:31<synfinatic>speaking of, does linode offer other means other then CC for payment? ie: my company probably doesn't want me expensing it
16:31<synfinatic>also, i'm looking at thousands/mo in spend so...
16:31<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-payments#payment-methods
16:32<synfinatic>ah, check. that would probably work
16:33<millisa>or they could just prepay it with a fat amount
16:34<synfinatic>most companies are used to "tell us how much we owe you for services rendered". ala AWS
16:34<synfinatic>prepay opens a whole can of worms i suspect
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16:37<dwfreed>Megaf: Linode is only hiring in Philadelpha, US
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17:16<Megaf>dwfreed, in that case the offer must be even better for me to consider moving from Europe to USA
17:19<synfinatic>no doubt they'll give it all the due consideration it deserves
17:19<millisa>hold out for 3 goats.
17:20<synfinatic>and a lama. very useful in Philly i hear
17:20<mmustac>it wont be ;)
17:20<Megaf>synfinatic, by the way, the are trying out PayPal
17:20<synfinatic>yeah i saw it was "beta"
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17:20<synfinatic>i'm sure my company will totally sign up some critical infrastructure and have it rely on a payment system which may or may not work
17:21<synfinatic>also, paypal :)
17:21<Megaf>But meh. I'm not even american and likely my bank/card details had already been leaked/stolen from that last hack
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17:21<dwfreed>react: re 80 GB being the sole tenant: no
17:22<synfinatic>that's why you want some goats and a lama. hard to steal those over the internet
17:22<Megaf>I have to agree
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17:23<Megaf>Still not impossible tho
17:23<synfinatic>i did say "hard"
17:23<synfinatic>at least in bulk
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17:24<synfinatic>i can see the RIAA now with a new ad campaign "You wouldn't steal a Lama would you???"
17:24<JerDoggMcKoy>Hello everyone. Has anyone had any issues trying to install a Lets Encrypt SSL certificate on their linode?
17:24<Megaf>I would tame a wild lama
17:24<synfinatic>yes, but they were my fault
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17:24<millisa>JerDoggMcKoy: LE certs work great on linodes.
17:24<mmustac>^
17:25<Megaf>JerDoggMcKoy, the host shouldn't really matter, your specific setup does
17:25<synfinatic>LE > Symantec for sure
17:25<mmustac>double check your install/config process, its not systemic
17:25<mmustac>or basically what Megaf just said
17:28<JerDoggMcKoy>excellent, thank you
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17:32<Megaf>I wish old clients could get a special gift from Linode, like double the CPUs...
17:32<jcanto>Hello
17:32<jcanto>perhaps this is a very weird question
17:32<millisa>free larger fonts for old clients!
17:33<Megaf>millisa, lol, took me like 4 or 5 seconds to get it...
17:33<jcanto>how does a provider like google or outlook (microsoft) have many MX servers
17:34<jcanto>a bunch of servers por imap
17:34<jcanto>some other for POP
17:34<millisa>shared storage?
17:34<jcanto>a bunch for SMTP
17:34<synfinatic>google is mostly custom from what i hear
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17:34<jcanto>a lot of different IP's
17:35<jcanto>and ONLY ONE domain for each one
17:35<millisa>you can do all those things with a postfix/mysql/dovecot/maildir/nfs backend if you wanted.
17:35<jcanto>imap.gmail.com, smtp.gmail.com
17:35<synfinatic>well... all up to a point. not sure i'd want to scale that to gmail levels
17:35<synfinatic>wait, i'm positive i wouldn't
17:35<jcanto>why am I asking?
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17:36<jcanto>well, I've been these days trying to configure a "HA" mail service
17:36<jcanto>we have a very well functioning postfix sever running since a long time ago
17:37<Peng>Didn't Gmail start out as like 3 servers in a rack
17:37<jcanto>but, you know, shit heppens
17:37<jcanto>I know I know
17:37<FluffyFoxeh>google is actually run by aliens and the technology behind their services isn't from here
17:38<jcanto>hehehehe
17:39<jcanto>I am trying to figure out how to do something like this in "small"
17:39<jcanto>for example using 2 postfix servers
17:40<FluffyFoxeh>MX records have redundancy built in. you can have multiple of them at different priorities
17:40<FluffyFoxeh>but I don't know what you'd do to sync them up at the back and
17:40<FluffyFoxeh>back end*
17:41<millisa>if each of those postfix servers are using a shared backend with maildir, and you had smtp, smtp-submission, dovecot (imap/pop) setup, using the same shared mysql backend it works
17:41<millisa>dovecot has a few options you'd want to turn on with a shared nfs backend.
17:41<millisa>https://wiki2.dovecot.org/NFS
17:41<jcanto>how can I use only one domain per service?
17:42<jcanto>imap.domain
17:42<jcanto>smtp.domain
17:42<jcanto>pop3.domain
17:42<millisa>3 different node balancers?
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17:43<jcanto>you're right
17:44<jcanto>even with one
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17:44<jcanto>but would be a single point of failure again
17:45<millisa>we use a keepalived based lvs setup (haven't tried that at linode)
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17:46<jcanto>reading lvs... :P
17:47<millisa>this is redhat's doc on doing it (it's more oriented around web stuff, but you can use it for other things) https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Load_Balancer_Administration/ch-keepalived-overview-VSA.html#s1-lvs-basic-VSA
17:47<jcanto>Thank you millisa
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17:48<marshwallow>can anyone help me configure catch-all apache vhosts?
17:48<marshwallow>somehow, whatever I found on SO ... it doesn't work.
17:49<marshwallow>tried prefixing it with 000 and 999, no luck.
17:49<millisa>marshwallow: I ended up digging more on your permission issue - so what some folks seem to do is leave main.cf and master.cf owned by root, 644, but then their mysql.cf files that get included they give to root:postfix (or root:somegroupthatcontainspostfix) and make those 640
17:50<marshwallow>wow, thanks!
17:50<millisa>apparently it satisfies the main/master postfix files needing to be owned by root but still lets you limit access to the files that contain your mysql credentials
17:51<jcanto>millisa rocks!
17:51<millisa>no, millisa got stuff really wrong yesterday and felt bad...
17:51<marshwallow>^^
17:51<dwfreed>(timing fail)
17:51<marshwallow>^^
17:51<relidy>!point millisa
17:51<linbot>relidy: Point given to millisa. (33) (Biggest fan: relidy, total: 9)
17:51<marshwallow>!point millisa
17:51<linbot>marshwallow: Point given to millisa. (34) (Biggest fan: relidy, total: 9)
17:51<marshwallow>agreed.
17:51<millisa>hooray
17:51<dwfreed>!point millisa
17:51<linbot>dwfreed: Point given to millisa. (35) (Biggest fan: relidy, total: 9)
17:51<relidy>Hehe
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17:52<marshwallow>will try chmodding/chowning and see what happens
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17:53<millisa>the deal was you have to leave some of the mail config world readable to satisfy other things; it has to be owned by root because the master process that kicks thing off has to run as root (since it's writing files as other poeple in places)
17:53<marshwallow>uh, what about dynamicmaps.cf? 640 and root:postfix too?
17:53<jcanto>chmod 777 fixes everything
17:53<jcanto>=)
17:53<marshwallow>it even doesn't. postfix complains if a file is world-writable.
17:53<millisa>not sure about whats in your dynamicmaps.cf, but if it follows what they were saying about the mysql conf, chown root:postfix and chmod 640 would probably work
17:54<marshwallow>this.
17:54<marshwallow># dict-type so-name (pathname) dict-function mkmap-function
17:54<marshwallow># dict-type so-name (pathname) dict-function mkmap-function
17:54<marshwallow>mysql postfix-mysql.so.1.0.1 dict_mysql_open
17:54<marshwallow>sqlite postfix-sqlite.so.1.0.1 dict_sqlite_open
17:54<relidy>!paste
17:54<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at https://bpaste.net/ and not in the channel
17:54<marshwallow>sorry.
17:55<marshwallow>thought I'd get away as it has four lines
17:55<marshwallow>*with it
17:55<marshwallow>will paste
17:55<marshwallow>to a pastebin
17:55<relidy>Just a polite reminder.
17:55<millisa>if its not something that matters if its world readable I wouldn't bother changing it
17:55<marshwallow>https://bpaste.net/show/2a2943c3f4ac
17:56<marshwallow>relidy: it's okay, far better than silently looking at people doing stupid things :D
17:57<marshwallow>it's 644 now, root:root.
17:57<millisa>as for your vhost apache question - apache processes config files in alphanumeric order - if a vhost's host header doesn't match one that is defined explicitly, the first vhost that shows up in the config is the one that'll get used
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17:58<millisa>if you have a vhost defined in the main httpd.conf before the include files get pulled in, that one gets used. if you only have vhosts in the include files, the first file's vhost is the one that'll get used
17:58<marshwallow>that's far more understandable than what I've got at #httpd :P
17:59<millisa>there was a new option added in one of the recent apaches that let you set a _default_ vhost
17:59<millisa>chances are good you are on a new enough apache that supports that
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18:00<marshwallow>`cat apache2.conf | grep VirtualHost` gives only lines that are commented out.
18:00<millisa>hm. _default_ might be ip vhosts to catch unmatched ip's
18:00<marshwallow>_default_? I've mentioned that on #httpd, but it wasn't met with enthusiasm exactly.
18:00<millisa>The official notes: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/vhosts/name-based.html
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18:01<millisa>That second section seems to outline it pretty clearly compared to some of the older docs
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18:03<millisa>if you do a `apachectl -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS` it should show you the order of the vhosts
18:03<millisa>or just an apachectl -S
18:04<marshwallow>yeah, of course, the <domainName>.com is the default one: https://vomitb.in/2n44aV3Coj.
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18:06<millisa>so make yourself a 000-default.conf that has it's own docroot, an index that says something about 'domain not yet configured', and then a2enable it (er, or whatever the ubuntu/debian command is to enable the apache confs)
18:08<marshwallow>what should be the ServerName (or ServerAlias)?
18:08<marshwallow>should I use _default_ somewhere in that file?
18:09<millisa>doesn't matter. servername can be 'with.blackjack' - you don't expect it to match anything; you don't need a serveralias. and you probably don't need _default_ either.
18:09<marshwallow>oh.
18:09<marshwallow>LOL.
18:09<marshwallow>now I get it.
18:09<millisa>for that matter you dont *want* it to match anything. you don't want it to accidentally match something that you have configured in a later file
18:10<marshwallow>yeah, it will be applied regardless of the ServerName/ServerAlias conditions as Apache "doesn't have a better idea".
18:10<marshwallow>thanks.
18:10<millisa>which means it's also going to match when they just use the IP
18:11<marshwallow>well, that's not the expected use-case anyways.
18:11<millisa>you'll see plenty of traffic from assorted scanners doing it anyways
18:11<marshwallow>or at least I hope it won't be :D.
18:12<marshwallow>people are scanning Telnet/FTP even more, so, eh, okay.
18:12<marshwallow>probably.
18:13<Megaf>speaking about mail server https://github.com/nodemailer/wildduck
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18:27<marshwallow>do I need an A/AAAA record for mail.<domain>.com at all?
18:28<marshwallow>I'm not using it in mail headers *at all*.
18:29<marshwallow>or I didn't properly follow the Linode Postfix, Dovecot and friends guide.
18:31<react>https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5321
18:31<react>https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5321#section-5
18:32<react>I'll TL,DR it for you, basically, respectful, well-behaved clients must check for an MX record; if one isn't present, perform an A or AAAA lookup to determine the target
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18:34<millisa>I ran back across this oldie last night: http://strangehorizons.com/non-fiction/articles/installing-linux-on-a-dead-badger-users-notes/ figured there might be someone that might be able to use it here...
18:36<marshwallow>sick and twisted.
18:36<marshwallow>I like it.
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18:41<Megaf>I never fully understood why there's mx records at all
18:41<Megaf>and how they differ from A records
18:42<react>it's all documented ;)
18:42<Megaf>dont booth do the very same thing?
18:42<Megaf>both*
18:42<millisa>a records don't have priority
18:43*Megaf googles
18:43<millisa>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MX_record#Priority
18:44<Megaf>I understand now https://www.copernica.com/en/blog/post/a-record-and-mx-record-how-does-it-work
18:47<dwfreed>also, MX records allow your mail server and your web server to be two different servers
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18:48<marshwallow>that'd be cool, but I have only one little Linode :P.
18:48<dwfreed>I use Google Apps for mail
18:48<millisa>I forward all my mail to dwfreed
18:49<dwfreed>I drop it on the floor
18:49<dwfreed>saves having to deal with spam
18:49<dwfreed>it's rather effective
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18:49<marshwallow>are you sure you don't work for FedEx?
18:50<dwfreed>*snerk*
18:51<marshwallow>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKUDTPbDhnA
18:51<marshwallow>they seem to looove dropping stuff.
18:51<marshwallow>:D
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19:35<hays>erg, anyone in here know about any news on updates of CAA records using linode's dns manager?
19:35<hays>i have all my domains in there, really not looking forward to figuring out a migration path
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19:37<millisa>haven't seen anything posted since the acknowledgment that they were looking into it back in July
19:37<millisa>relevant thread: https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=12510
19:37<hays>yeah.. ive seen the same forum post
19:39<Peng>It supports it for secondary zones, of course
19:42<hays>sigh. maybe namecheap has a dns manager i can use
19:46<@mcintosh>hays: we're actively working on CAA record support
19:47<Peng>Ha ha
19:47<Peng>sorry, ha ha wa Namecheap, not Linode!
19:47<hays>mcintosh: any target date?
19:47<Peng>https://dns.he.net/ supports CAA
19:48<hays>was just looking at them. i used them for tunnels a while back.. not sure i still have my credentials
19:48<@mcintosh>can't make any guarantees but i'm hoping within the next week or two it will be available
19:49*millisa goes to post "MCINTOSH CONFIRMS CAA GOLIVE DATE. PROMISES COTTON CANDY FOR ALL!"
19:50<hays>ok, well yeah I can check back in a couple weeks. that'd be awesome and save me a bunch of trouble
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20:54<dzho>huh, so CAA got it's own record type
20:55<dwfreed>yeah, people decided overloading TXT records even more was probably a bad idea
20:56<Peng>Then everything caught fire
20:56<Peng>But it was too late
20:56<millisa>https://i.imgur.com/c4jt321.png
20:57<Peng>!dns6 sr caa
20:57<linbot>Peng: The read operation timed out
21:19<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Let's Encrypt AFTER getting my site up? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15289&p=74716#p74716>
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23:38<caps>Hello, does anyone here can help me fix my problem about my IP address not showing wordpress default page, instead it display the index.php 172.104.186.122
23:39<caps>I have followed the guides/tutorial from linode but still not working. Did I miss something?
23:39<marshwallow>sounds like you didn't pick the right home page in the WordPress control panel.
23:40<dwfreed>more like didn't install php
23:40<Woet>more like didn't install linux
23:40<caps>let me know how to show all the packages install in my server
23:41<marshwallow>think you could do that with some apt-cache command.
23:42<FluffyFoxeh>depends on your distribution
23:42<dwfreed>Ubuntu
23:42<dwfreed>(Apache snitched)
23:42<marshwallow>yep. I'm shortsighted. forgot about anything else than the .deb crew :P.
23:42<caps>I used ubuntu 14.04
23:42<dwfreed>you mean 16.04
23:43<marshwallow>maybe not.
23:43<marshwallow>but 16.04 should be safer, because, you know, security updates and stuff.
23:43<marshwallow>14.04 should have php too.
23:44<dwfreed>oh, wait, no, I thought I read the version differently
23:44<dwfreed>he did use 14.04
23:44<FluffyFoxeh>14.04 is LTS until 2019, it gets security updates
23:44<dwfreed>you really should have deployed 16.04
23:44<marshwallow>I should have known that :P...
23:44<dwfreed>FluffyFoxeh: April 2019 is a year and a half away
23:44<marshwallow>thought 16.04 is the LTS way to go.
23:44<marshwallow>no other supported options.
23:44<marshwallow>was wrong.
23:45<Peng>12.04 still gets security updates if you pay Canonical!!!
23:45<dwfreed>why would you be dumb enough to do that
23:46<marshwallow>caps: did you do this one? https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/hosting-a-website
23:46<marshwallow>it covers php, so, if you didn't install php until now, this might solve the problem.
23:47<caps>Oh I see.. thank you for that
23:47<marshwallow>you're welcome.
23:49<caps>but yeah, I guess I will rebuild my server since i'm just gettin started. Just like you guys said, its more safer in 16.04LTS
23:51<Peng>dwfreed: You should purchase Ubuntu Advantage Advanced with Ubuntu 12.04 ESM from the AWS Marketplace. https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/B01N9JG6EM?qid=1490357851557&sr=0-7&ref_=srh_res_product_title
23:51<dwfreed>whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
23:51<Peng>dwfreed: Have you watched the webinar? http://ubunt.eu/hbvw33
23:52<Zimsky>I always knew peng was that kind of person
23:53<Zimsky>you forgot the referral code though
23:53<Peng>Hah
23:54<marshwallow>but ... after less than two years, a release upgrade would be imminent.
23:54<Peng>Customer success associates are standing by
23:54<Peng>[headset stock photo]
23:54<dwfreed>Peng: that's $500 per host per year
23:54<Zimsky>dwfreed: significant savings!
23:55<marshwallow>(wrong timing, nvm)
23:55<Zimsky>imagine all the money you could save if you were to have been paying someone else $501/host/year
23:55<Peng>Standard is cheaper. https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/B01MZ1LSBQ?qid=1486382973569&sr=0-1&ref_=srh_res_product_title
23:55<Woet>Peng is my favorite person in #linode
23:56<Peng><3
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