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---Logopened Mon Oct 02 00:00:03 2017
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00:00<montigny34>can somebody help me use the NOT EXISTS clause in SQL? I'm not sure that I'm using it properly...
00:00<montigny34>I might not even need it
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00:10<FluffyFoxeh>mr. bobby from high school
00:12<Zimsky>was it bobby or bobbi
00:15<dwfreed>bobby tables
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00:25<montigny34>SELECT username FROM mysql_accounts WHERE NOT EXISTS (SELECT user_id FROM mysql_link)
00:26<montigny34>how come this does not return the usernames that do not have their user_id in mysql_link ?
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00:32<fanfanfly9527>hi,anyone here
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00:32<linbot>fanfanfly9527: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
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00:34<fanfanfly9527>how to pay for a linode server?
00:34<fanfanfly9527>when i register an account ,innode cost my credit card for 20$
00:35<fanfanfly9527>but i dont know how to start buy a inlode server which i planed to buy
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00:38<fanfanfly9527>thanks ,guys
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03:25<JamesTK>How does one a linode
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03:55<linbot>New news from status: Upstream Loss - Some Paths <>
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04:22<Peng>Eugene: THEY DID TRY TURNING IT OFF AND ON AGAIN. It made it worse.
04:24<Peng>Eugene: Which helped diagnose it
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04:30<trippeh>the engineering blahg seems a bit abandoned ;)
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05:13<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • Mobile Friendly forum? <>
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05:32<Zimsky>wills what?
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06:02<howdy>What is the process of payment when a guide gets selected?
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06:03<howdy>Is everyone sleepng?
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06:06<Zimsky>yes, please keep it down
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06:07<howdy>heh :P
06:07<howdy>bye then
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08:26<linbot>New news from status: Inter-DC Connectivity Issues: Frankfurt <>
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08:56<gdfg>Apparently it's called ShareX
08:56<gdfg>Looked it up for ya
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09:04<Woet>some people are just special
09:04<linbot>New news from forum: Performance and Tuning • Global performance tuning <>
09:05<Zimsky>Woet: :D
09:05<Woet>you're not special
09:07*dzho seems to be missing some context
09:07<dzho>maybe I've got an /ignore I've forgotten about ...
09:07<Woet>you're not missing anything, i can ensure you
09:08<Zimsky>why would you /ignore someone, dzho
09:08<dzho>heh, thanks. that's a conclusion I was working around toward.
09:09<Zimsky>except maybe *!*@*
09:10<dwfreed>dzho: Woet was responding to the person who randomly joined, mentioned ShareX, and left again
09:10<dwfreed>and then was just being Woet
09:11<dzho>Zimsky: because I suck at cool ironic detachment
09:11<Woet>meanwhile, roughly 36 hours ago:
09:11<Zimsky>cool ironic detachment?
09:12<dzho>sometimes I find I waste my finite supply of give-a-shit
09:12<dzho>when I realize that is happening I will do things like use /ignore or to use another example, create a procmail filter
09:13<dzho>we all manage our attention, this is just one way I try to be deliberate about it
09:13<Zimsky>alternatively, don't give a shit about any of it
09:13<dzho>yes, well, I've noted my severe faults in that regard
09:13<Woet>don't feel too bad, at least you're not Zimsky
09:14<Woet>don't agree with me
09:14<dzho>there is always a silver lining, isn't there
09:14<Woet>theres a diamond lining around my $10k HDMI cable
09:14<Zimsky>if you can't bear seeing a particular person saying stuff, then maybe irc isn't for you
09:14<Woet>* Zimsky!*@* added to the ignore list.
09:15<dzho>Zimsky: you'll have to work a lot harder if you aspire to that sort of gatekeeping
09:15<Zimsky>I'm sure
09:16<dzho>I've already alluded to the perspective that this isn't an analysis that is limited to IRC
09:17<dzho>Woet: you Monster, you.
09:18<Woet>dont sweet talk me
09:18*dzho sulks
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09:19<Zimsky>Woet the poet
09:19<Zimsky>ah, Oliver Cromulent, just in the nick of time
09:20<Woet>whats the rush?
09:20*dzho sniffs
09:20<dzho>is that the whiff of desparation?
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09:20<dzho>desparation, something something quiet lives of
09:21*dzho despairs of correctly spelling 'desperation'
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10:44<Jeffrey>Hello. Where can I find some quick help about migration ?
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10:53<smallclone>Jeffrey: what kind of help? you mean as in migrating to another data center?
10:53<dzho>Jeffrey: I don't know a lot about their migration stuff but there are a lot of contexts in which "migration" is relevant. A search simply with the one-word term "migration" at gives me several hits that might apply to your situation.
10:54<dzho>If you can pick one or a few most relevant to your situation, tell us which ones you're looking at, and what if anything is missing from them, perhaps that would lead to better help all round.
10:55*dzho has migrated services from one linode instance to another, but probably not in any way applicable to the question at hand.
10:55<dzho>but who knows?
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11:20<djykstra>helo all, my linode vps compromise and suspended. i am still working to know what happened via lish. i cant login to to submit an update.. any support can help me?
11:21<Jeffrey>Thanks DZHO
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11:23<Jeffrey>I was looking for a review-like comment about Linodes easy of use /migration
11:23<Jeffrey>Does anyone uses Cloudfront + Linode?
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11:26<@mcintosh>djykstra: what happens when you try to login?
11:29<Peng>Jeffrey: Doubtless some people use CloudFront with Linode. Why do you ask?
11:31<smallclone>in terms of ease of use, Linodes are just Linux servers, they're about as easy to use as any other Linux server.
11:36<Jeffrey>Hi Peng, I see Cloudfront is widely used for protection and CDN benefits but a search for linode + cloudfront has not returned any results
11:36<Zimsky>depends what you mean by 'migration'
11:36<Zimsky>that could be a few things
11:38<Peng>Jeffrey: There's not really anything specific to document. If you use Linode as a custom origin, it's just like any other.
11:40<Jeffrey>Linode itself doesn`t offer a cloudfront-like protection , correct?
11:41<synfinatic>protection? you mean CloudFlare?
11:42<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
11:42<Peng>Jeffrey: Linode doesn't offer a CDN, indeed
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11:59<djykstra>mcintosh: something like no token verification ...
12:04<@mcintosh>djykstra: token verification sounds like a CSRF issue (generally speaking caused by an internet connection rapidly changing IPs for whatever reasons)
12:04<@mcintosh>might try another connection to see if it persists
12:04<@mcintosh>you can always reach out via email,, as well
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12:27<djykstra>mcintosh: thanks, probably you right. i can login to manager now.
12:32<react>mcintosh: you all taking the pulse of dnsmasq package availability?
12:38<Eugene>I occasionally see "token verification" errors to the Dashboard when Happy Eyeballs / IPv6 is being stupid
12:38<Eugene>Turning it off in my local NIC "fixes" it
12:45<Zimsky>don't do that
12:45<HoopyCat>disabling IPv4 doesn't break much
12:56<Eugene>I should figure out a NAT64 server
13:04<Cromulent>great just signed up for an ecommerce site and they sent me a welcome email with my password in plain text - I guess I won't be using them again
13:05<Eugene>I hope it was site-unique
13:05<Cromulent>yes it was
13:06<Cromulent>I learnt that lesson the hard way about 15 years ago
13:06<Zimsky>oh I love those sites
13:06<Cromulent>maybe 10
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13:18<DanielNM>It's a good day to be a Linodian.
13:24<dwfreed>nah, he missed the y in everyday
13:24<dwfreed>Linodian is correct
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13:45<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • [RESOLVED] CAA type DNS records <>
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13:46<dwfreed>!point mcintosh
13:46<linbot>dwfreed: Point given to mcintosh. (12)
13:46<Eugene>Can we get DNAME records next?
13:47<Eugene>I don't have a use case for them, I just like obscure RFcs
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13:47<Ikaros>I implemented CAA for my domain through my own nameservers already.
13:47<dwfreed>nah, next should be RFC 3597 support
13:48<Cromulent>oh CAA records sound interesting - never heard of them before
13:48<Ikaros>"A Certification Authority Authorization (CAA) record is used to specify which certificate authorities (CAs) are allowed to issue certificates for a domain."
13:49<Cromulent>yeah just read up on it - looks like I might as well add it to all of my domains
13:49<Cromulent>when I'm bored
13:49<Eugene>Is it bad that I always read the publication date of unknown RFCs first?
13:50<dwfreed>Eugene: I'm holding out for Linode to implement RFC 6214
13:51<Eugene>I had that as a joke domain name. Let it lapse a few years ago, not funny enough
13:52<dwfreed>it would be funny if you'd actually implemented the protocol as a requirement of reaching the site
13:53<Eugene>And they should be able to handle a RFC6214 packet just fine. Linode does not provide an Layer1 gateway however
13:53<Eugene>You'll need to reach out to a specialized breeder for that
13:54<Eugene>Maybe AWS Direct Connect
13:54<Peng>The one time i used DNAME records, it broke the zone on one of my DNS providers. Never again. :<
13:54<@jhaas>whatever happened to ANAME and BNAME
13:55<Ikaros>That didn't quite work...
13:55<Peng>BNAME is only used in the banana name system
13:56<@jhaas>wait wut
13:58<Eugene>"ALIAS" has been a non-standard record type forever.
13:58<Ikaros>Heh. Specific to a given DNS provider doesn't count, jhaas
13:59<@mcintosh>hays: CAA records are available in current Manager/API if you'd like to give it a go
14:01<Eugene>I thin BIND's DLZ backend supports ALIAS? Its been a while since I used it
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15:03<osa>anyone online?
15:04<linbot>osa: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
15:04<osa>I have question(s) about the API of Linode
15:05<osa>I need to add/remove servers dynamically from my .js script from my linode account..
15:05<osa>so can anyone tell me how to get start with it?
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15:08<JerDoggMcKoy>First time Linode & Linux user here. Just deployed Ubuntu 16.04 LTS and it shows it is taking up almost 20GB of disk space. Is this about right?
15:09<dwfreed>the Linode Manager can't see inside your disk images
15:09<dwfreed>so what it reports as usage is what your images are using of your storage allotment provided by your plan
15:09<dwfreed>not how much space is used inside them
15:10<JerDoggMcKoy>Ok, thank you very much!
15:11<Peng>You can use a command like "df -h" to see how much disk space is being used.
15:11<JerDoggMcKoy>Sweet, thank you. I'll give it a shot
15:16<Zimsky>it's worth looking at `du` as well
15:20<JerDoggMcKoy>Thanks Zimsky
15:23<JerDoggMcKoy>It says I have 18GB still available, however, when I try to create a new disk from linode dashboard to deploy a stackscript, I get a message stating there is not enough disk space to create any more images. Have you guys run into this before or should I open a ticket?
15:24<@mcintosh>the linode dashboard doesn't measure internal disk space
15:24<@mcintosh>it measures how much space your disks are (in terms of capacity) as compared to what your linode plan offers
15:24<@mcintosh>you need to resize your current disk down, via the linode manager, in order to make a new disk
15:24<JerDoggMcKoy>ah, I see, ok, makes sense
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15:43<Rinku>I need to know the policy for the tickets
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15:44<Peng>What do you mean?
15:44<Rinku>I have been told by someone that they only give 4 hours to reply their ticket or they will [Linode will] put network restriction ?
15:45<@mcintosh>Rinku: that policy is only in the case of severe cases of network abuse
15:46<Rinku>yes but I have been said every issues are sever
15:46<Rinku>and what will be the measurement of sever or light ?
15:47<Rinku>Cause the person said, they always reply with the severe ticket and all you need to do is to remove the file and give them answers for their three questions
15:47<Rinku>where that happen,
15:47<Rinku>what happen
15:47<Rinku>what precaution you will take,,
15:47<Rinku>and if you fail,,,, they will restrict,
15:48<Rinku>I laugh at him....
15:48<Rinku>I am sure you are better than the way he is sounding
15:49<Rinku>I think he is right,,, its better not to stick with linode ,,, Google Cloud is the best solution...
15:49<Peng>Rinku: What kind of abuse tickets do you anticipate receiving?
15:50<Rinku>I want to become a customer but the guy is like a threat,,
15:50<Rinku>so I am just making sure, things become easy with me
15:50<Rinku>I need atleast 24 hours to reply any of the ticket
15:51<Peng>If you're sending DoS attacks at line rate, would you really like them to let it continue for 24 hours?
15:51<@mcintosh>there are some tickets we will not allow 24 hour responses for, i.e. phishing and other serious abuse
15:52<Rinku>Alright, what you expect that your server will not get affected,
15:52<Rinku>so attacks will happen,
15:52<Rinku>you have to have certain system to stop them,
15:53<Cromulent>Rinku: it is up to you to make sure your server is secure
15:53<Rinku>I can not have 4 hours only to reply, i have to even sleep for 6 hours,,
15:53<react>I'm confused, is there a question?
15:53<Rinku>yes with respect
15:54<Rinku>my only concern is, if possible i need 24 hours, before any restriction or suspension
15:54<@mcintosh>for most abuse tickets, we will give you 24 hours
15:54<@mcintosh>but for some, more serious types of abuse, we won't be able to do that
15:55<Rinku>The guy mentioned, every tickets are 4 hours..
15:55<relidy>Well, he's incorrect.
15:55<Rinku>Fortunately I am that Guy
15:55<@mcintosh>that sounds like a miscommunication - you can open a ticket for more clarification on our policies
15:56<Rinku>my life become miserable
15:56<Rinku>was i mean
15:56<Rinku>even when i fall sleep, my mind was with the ticket
15:56<Rinku>i have security like anything
15:56<Rinku>licence CSF
15:56<linbot>IRC supports complete sentences. Less <CR> more content, please.
15:56<relidy>!point react
15:56<linbot>relidy: Point given to react. (1)
15:56<Rinku>you name it, I had everything
15:57<Rinku>but though i have been served like worst
15:57<react>Can I give you a point for giving me a point
15:57<react>!point relidy
15:57<linbot>react: Point given to relidy. (7)
15:57*relidy cheers
15:57*react laughs
15:58<Rinku>i did not expected that from linode
15:58<Rinku>those days are like preity unforgetabble
15:58<react>Rinky, if it's *truly* important to you, spend money, hire a security professsional, secure your servers _properly_, that way you get all 6 hours of sleep each night.
15:58<Rinku>react you are right,,
15:58<Rinku>but why that happen,
15:59<Rinku>I am the customer since 8 years with Hostgator
15:59<Rinku>I am the customer 5 months with Google Cloud
15:59<Rinku>I am the customer since 2 months with Blue Host
15:59<Rinku>and infect everywhere we ahve multiple accounts
16:00<Rinku>only linode have cancelled my account,
16:00<Rinku>that made me cry first and than made me laugh
16:00<Cromulent>sounds like you have bigger problems than Linode shutting down your servers
16:00<react>at least he's embracing multi-cloud! :D
16:00<Peng>Linode canceled your account? That sucks.
16:00<react>all hail the multi cloud
16:00<Rinku>I wish that but that was linode,, only
16:01<jeremye77>Listen, you sound mentally challengend. If you are having these difficulties do something avout your problems and quit being a whiney little twerp.
16:01<Rinku>rest are peddy for me
16:01<react>I was waiting for someone to crack, jeremye77 wins
16:01<Rinku>just one simple question
16:02<Rinku>what happens when you have an email from the linode saying your account is cancelled and when you call them, they say, we can not give you any data out of ir
16:02<react>btw, it's unfair to compare Linode to say Google Cloud, they are vastly different infrastructures with vastly different capabilities
16:02<Rinku>or not even able to give you any more moment to look into your server
16:03<jeremye77>No one cancels your account to gain joy. Take your backup to some co location facility and bugger off.
16:03<Rinku>Quite unfare when you have competitors like GCE, Amazon EC2, and other Cloud
16:03<Peng>jeremye77: Cheerful
16:03<react>you wouldn't compare an apple to an orange would ya?
16:03*react wouldn't
16:03<Rinku>linode vs Google
16:03<Rinku>how can i miss that
16:03<Rinku>I guess you are right,
16:04<Rinku>I love apples and oranges to eat
16:04<Rinku>and google to host
16:04<Rinku>and linode to forget
16:04<Rinku>Cheers ,,,
16:05<Rinku>God Bless Linode
16:05<jeremye77>I like to eat eat eat apple and bananas
16:05<Rinku>better than hosting site on linode believe me
16:05<HoopyCat>i didn't know linode hosted websites
16:06<Cromulent>ooo new version of xsplit - shiney
16:07<Rinku>Just stick with linode,,, you will know lott more new things
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16:14*react breathes
16:14<react>thank his heavenly noodly appendage
16:14<react>he's gone everyone, back to the beer pong!
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16:17<gecco>what's the update on block storage on linode, is this in beta yet that I can access?
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16:17<dwfreed>see the topic
16:17<Cromulent>been in beta for quite a long time now
16:17<gecco>yeah, I heard that, but when will it be released, any updates to this, do I have access to it?
16:17<gecco>(or how can I get access to it?)
16:18<Cromulent>see the topic
16:18<gecco>ok, just googled it, thanks Cromulet
16:19<Cromulent>why did you google the topic of an IRC channel?
16:19<dwfreed>in the webchat, look at the top of the page :)
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16:22<gecco>advertisements are oblivious to me I guess, so I googled block storage linode and it came up as far as how to add it, pricing, etc. should have done that from the get go but was lazy, knew someone here would know the answer to my question in two seconds, which they did
16:22<gecco>I am just now noticing the subject above on the page
16:23<gecco>They did not have a public accessible beta up last time I asked, so this is new to me
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19:56<Ankit>Anyone there?
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19:57<synfinatic>pro-tip: as your question, not if anyone is here
19:58<Ankit>is thelinode 1gb plan enough to handle 25k monthly unique visitors?
19:59<synfinatic>almost certainly
20:01<synfinatic>of course, in the end it depends. your question is sorta like: "I've got 10gallons of gas in my car. Is that enough to get me to San Francisco?"
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20:03<synfinatic>you're welcome!
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20:37<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • U2F Security Key Support <>
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