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00:07<zifnab>i doubt it :P
00:08<zifnab>i haven't seen much new .net stuff being done
00:39<linbot>New news from status: Connectivity Issues - Inter-DC connectivity between Dallas and our other datacenters <https://status.linode.com/incidents/swgb9yrnpk43>
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00:43<Sam_>hello
00:43<Sam_>anybody from linode support here?
00:43<linbot>Sam_: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
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00:44<@rsyracuse>Sam_: Hey there, what did you need help with today?
00:45<kyhwana>hmm
00:46<Sam_>i need to change my new linode's IP to my old linode's IP which i deleted accidently
00:46<dwfreed>open a ticket
00:47<Sam_>already opened
00:47<kyhwana>then wait
00:47<Sam_>but no reply it's been more then 1 hour now
00:47<Sam_>all sites are down
00:47<Sam_>and client is very angry
00:47<dwfreed>if it's critical you can call
00:47<Sam_>i am from india
00:47<Sam_>calling ISD is not enabled
00:47<dwfreed>use skype to call the 855 number
00:48<kyhwana>Well, what are the TTLs on your DNS? Change the DNS to point to the new IP?
00:48<@scrane>Sam_, can you PM me the ticket number?
00:48<dwfreed>kyhwana: probably a day :)
00:48<Sam_>Sam_, can you PM me the ticket number? yes please wait
00:48<Sam_>[8988534] change my New linode IP with old IP
00:49<Sam_>ticket number is 8988534
00:50<Sam_>i need now to assign my old ip 45.79.0.97 to my new linode with ip 173.255.201.47
00:50<dwfreed>I imagine scrane will be updating your ticket in a couple minutes
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00:51<San>Hi
00:51<linbot>hi
00:52<San>Im looking to migrate from aws to linode
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00:52<San>i went into the pricing plan
00:52<San>but got few questions
00:52<linbot>ask away
00:52<San>for example if i take a plan 10 $ per month
00:53<San>is there is any restrictions like
00:53<San>i can use only certain hours per month
00:53<San>like aws do
00:53<dwfreed>no
00:53<dwfreed>that is $10 for the whole month
00:53<dwfreed>(regardless of month length)
00:53<San>so i can make any number of hits to that specifc instance
00:54<San>jno matter my plan priced
00:54<dwfreed>it's just a server, there are no per-request limits or anything like that
00:55<San>if i choose Linode 2GB plan
00:55<San>can i get help to map my domain name
00:55<San>will i get an static ip ?
00:55<grawity>!ip
00:55<dwfreed>!ips
00:55<linbot>Each Linode comes with 1 public IPv4 address and 1 public IPv6 address. Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1 per month, and require technical justification. A /64 or /56 of IPv6 can be routed to your Linode at no charge.
00:56<dwfreed>(yes, you get a static IP)
00:56<San>ok great
00:56<San>does linode provide ssl ?
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00:56<dwfreed>no, you'd need to get one yourself from a third party provider
00:56<dwfreed>Let's Encrypt provides free certs as one example
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00:57<San>ok great
00:58<San>apart from the pricing 10/month
00:58<San>is there is any price for services ?
00:58<San>can i expect only 10 dollor billed monthly
00:59<Peng_>$10 is $10.
00:59<dwfreed>the only other costs you might incur are transfer overages, if you go over your transfer quota in a month (only outbound transfer, from the Linode to the Internet, is counted)
00:59<Peng_>And there are other optional services you can buy, if you choose to.
00:59<San>ok can you explain me th transfer overages ?
00:59<San>what is my quota
00:59<San>if i choose 10/mo0nth
01:00<San>if i choose 10/month
01:00<Peng_>!pricing
01:00<linbot>https://www.linode.com/pricing
01:00<dwfreed>it's on the pricing page ^
01:00<dwfreed>(the $10 plan is 2 TB)
01:01<San>yes so my quota is ?
01:01<@scrane>Outbound quota is 2TB/month prorated
01:01<@scrane>There is no inbound.
01:01<@scrane>If you go over the transfer quota, you will be billed $0.02 per GB
01:02<@scrane>Effectively, so long as you don't upload more than your quota from the Linode, you will be fine, and the transfer quotas are pooled for the Linodes, so if you have 2 2GB Linodes, the total pool is 4TB so one Linode can upload 3TB and the other can upload 500GB, and you will still have 500GB total to spare.
01:03<dwfreed>note that the terms "outbound" and "inbound" are from the perspective of the linode; ie, outbound means Linode->elsewhere, inbound is anywhere->Linode
01:09<San>@dwfreed, @scrane: we are experience issues with aws and linode is suggested from our collegues, we are in a bit to start an product, and dont know how the app will scale
01:10<dwfreed>you can add more Linodes whenever
01:10<San>still in development, we hit more apis
01:10<San>and uplaod stuff to server
01:10<dwfreed>so how easy it is to scale will mostly depend on your app
01:10<San>can i take 10/month
01:10<San>is that will survive ?
01:10<San>say we have 300 users
01:11<@scrane>It depends a LOT on the resources of the app.
01:11<@scrane>That's one of those things I can't ever really say just because I don't know how the app has been configured. That being said, it's fairly easy to scale the Linode up to the next plan should you need additional resources.
01:12<San>ok
01:12<San>Thank you Guys. i will sign up today
01:14<@scrane>Use the LINODE10 promocode for $10 worth of credit when the signup completes
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01:31<Toba_>is traffic between datacenters in different countries, between two linodes' public ips, classified as outbound & inbound at each, or is that considered internal unmetered traffic?
01:31<dwfreed>it's classified as public traffic
01:31<Toba_>i can imagine why. thanks.
01:32<dwfreed>Linode is working on building their own backbone; once that's done, they might reclassify certain inter-DC traffic as unmetered
01:32<dwfreed>(they've announced no plans of this that I know, this is just my speculation)
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01:46<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • parmi beaucoup la maison de mickey jeux d'autres positions <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15348&p=74871#p74871> || Current Betas • Linode Block Storage (Fremont beta) <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15333&p=74870#p74870>
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01:51<shailesh>Hi
01:51<shailesh>please send trail account link.
01:52<MrPPS>Doesn't happen sorry
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01:56<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Building a Linode with private stackscript on API <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15319&p=74798#p74798>
03:06<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • How private is the "Private" network? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15346&p=74873#p74873>
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03:22<Khanh>Hi
03:22<Khanh>I have cloned my vps
03:23<Khanh>but i can not ssh to this
03:23<Khanh>error: port 22: Connection refused
03:23<Khanh>How can i resolve it?
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03:25<dwfreed>!lish
03:25<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled. https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/using-the-linode-shell-lish
03:25<@rsyracuse>Khanh: It looks like something internal to your instance is denying access over port 22. This could be related to your firewall, your ssh configuration, or something similar
03:26<Khanh>But i clone from my old vps
03:26<Khanh>and i still ssh to old vps normally
03:26<Khanh>but the new one
03:27<@rsyracuse>Khanh: Have you opened a support ticket with us yet? If you can PM me a ticket number we should be able to take a closer look
03:27<dwfreed>I mean, connection refused is not really within Linode's issues :)
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03:28<dwfreed>either the sshd didn't start, or the firewall is refusing the connection
03:28<dwfreed>lish would allow you to log into the console and check for both
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03:29<Khanh>https://cloud.linode.com/support/8988913
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03:31<@rsyracuse>Khanh: thanks for that. You should have a response from us there within the next few minutes =)
03:36<Khanh>Okay
03:36<Khanh>tks
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03:56<linbot>New news from forum: Current Betas • Linode Block Storage (Fremont beta) <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15333&p=74874#p74874>
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07:47<shrijan>how can i have assistence
07:48<shrijan>assistance from here
07:48<Zimsky>you ask questions
07:48<teemu>by asking?
07:48<Zimsky>and you might get an answer
07:48<ponas>maybe
07:50<shrijan>i need to get details about cloud hosting
07:50<shrijan>to whom i should ask the question
07:50<ponas>ask it out loud to all of us
07:50<Zimsky>ask within
07:50<Zimsky>and the answer shall be revealed
07:51<shrijan>oh i then i should list all of my requirement and ask you all at once :)
07:52<shrijan>i think that will work fine
07:52<shrijan>first of all, could i know in which package nepalkhavar.com is hosting ??
07:55<ponas>that's a parked domain, not pointed to Linode
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07:58<saiful>hi
07:58<saiful>anybody here
07:58<ponas>yes
07:58<saiful>how are you?
07:59<saiful>i need informatin
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07:59<ponas>i am fine
07:59<saiful>linode..vps need payment verify ?
08:00<ponas>you need to add at least one credit card, and I think they verify it somehow
08:01<saiful>i have no credit card ..i have paypal account there are no card linked inpaypal
08:04<shrijan>@ponas what does parked domain means
08:04<Zimsky>if you've got a visa card or mastercard card card card, that works
08:04<ponas>shrijan: it means there's nothing on it
08:05<shrijan>but it shows that nepalkhabar.com is hosted on linode
08:05<shrijan>Web Hosting Provider: Linode IP: 139.162.1.236 Location: Singapore ( Market Share) Domain Who Is: Click Here Nameservers: ns1.ds787.tmddedicated.com, ns2.ds787.tmddedicated.com
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08:06<Zimsky>yeah, it resolves to a linode address
08:06<Zimsky>what's the issue?
08:06<smallclone>shrijan: if you have an abuse complaint for that domain, you should send as much info as possible to abuse@linode.com ..in any case, no one from linode is going to tell you private information about one of their customers.
08:07<shrijan>i just need to take a reference from that site
08:07<ponas>oh, kha_b_ar
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08:07<shrijan>otherwise it is fine var me
08:07<shrijan>for*
08:07<ponas>we wouldn't know which package they use
08:11<smallclone>unless you can get in contact with the owners of that site (if they have any public contact info on there) you're not going to be able to get an answer to that question
08:11<shrijan>we are running our site gokyonews.com in ohodomain pro linux shared hosting plan. our site is news portal from nepal. This is completely based on WordPress CMS. In that shared hosting we are facing alot of errors like "site cant be reached " so we would like to change the server. What package you recommend for me ??
08:12<Zimsky>it's not really like, packages
08:12<Zimsky>it's plans on a scale of resource allocations
08:12<Zimsky>and it's just a linux server
08:12<smallclone>yeah, you should make sure you understand what Linode is, too - it's not like shared hosting.
08:13<Zimsky>you configure everything
08:14<shrijan>oho. everything means ??
08:14<ponas>installing and configuring software
08:14<ponas>troubleshooting
08:15<smallclone>you install the packages (apache, wordpress, mariadb, etc) and you configure them. if you're expecting to just do everything via ftp, it's not going to work like that
08:15<shrijan>oho i see
08:16<Zimsky>oho
08:16<shrijan>could i get assistance how to install apache, wordpress,mariadb in server ?
08:17<grawity>with specific questions, sure
08:17<grawity>but in general, the linode library has guides
08:17<smallclone>there are lots of guides on the topic. other than that, you could hire a third party to do it, or hire Linode's professional services team to set it up for you
08:18<shrijan>what will be cost for linode's professional to configuring my system ?
08:19<smallclone>you would have to fill out their scoping form and then they would give you a quote
08:20<shrijan>seems too complicated than others :)
08:21<smallclone>well, it's more complicated than shared hosting, sure
08:21<smallclone>that's the trade off for better resources, performance, and a lower price
08:22<shrijan>i will like to learn about it very well
08:22<smallclone>but the truth is that if there's no one in your organization with any linux knowledge (or desire to learn) Linode and any VPS-like host like them is going to be a bad choice
08:22<smallclone>well, if you want to learn, spin up a cheap Linode and start playing around. there are guides.
08:23<shrijan>i am learning linux and would like to learn also but saying fairly i am the beginner in linux
08:23<shrijan>i am working as developer for java,php and wordpress and other framework as well but i have not used cloud or VPS services before
08:24<smallclone>then I'd suggest not moving off of your current host until you've taken some time maintaining a staging site on a Linode. only costs you $5 a month for their cheapest plan, which is enough to get started on.
08:24<smallclone>also, you can throw any linux questions you have in here..there's usually someone knowledgeable around
08:25<smallclone>if not, then i'm also here
08:26<shrijan>really sounds great
08:30<@jmetz>shrijan: you can also reach out to our support team via email, support ticket, or phone 24/7 if you have any questions. we are always happy to help
08:32<ponas>shrijan: and there are guides for common stuff like setting up everything needed for wordpress https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/hosting-a-website,
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08:36<@rsyracuse>shrijan: If you're new to our platform and Linux in general I find that the guide below is the best place to get started, but you're welcome to start wherever your comfort level is
08:36<@rsyracuse>https://www.linode.com/docs/getting-started
08:37<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • How to securely erase my linode? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14060&p=74875#p74875>
08:42<dwfreed>^ not sure if spammer or terrible reposter
08:42<smallclone>weird
08:43<Zimsky>dwfreed: I often wonder the same of myself
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08:57<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Building a Linode with private stackscript on API <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15319&p=74798#p74798>
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10:28<FluffyFoxeh>and you're so cynical
10:29<FluffyFoxeh>narcissistic cannibal
10:29<FluffyFoxeh>got to bring myself back from the dead
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11:53<dwfreed>Confederation sounds more like a form of government
11:56<@mcintosh>( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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13:47<Erik_>I just signed up and received billing email. Now my account is still pending for review for 10 minutes. How long I need to wait?
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13:48<smallclone>Erik_: generally no more than an hour, though it depends
13:48<smallclone>they're likely reviewing your account. if they need additional information from you, they'll open a ticket, which you should also receive in your email
13:48<Erik_>Noted and thanks
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16:57*zifnab waits for someone to ask about KRACK
16:58<tafa2>zifnab you might be late :)
16:58<zifnab>oh i most definitely am.
16:58<zifnab>i'm just too lazy to go wade through days of shit i don't care about to find it
16:58<tafa2>conversations in ##security and ##ubnt on Freenode were pretty cool few nights ago
16:59<zifnab>oh, no, i mean here
16:59<zifnab>something like "is linode patched for KRACK"
16:59<tafa2>oh! haha
16:59<tafa2>is Linode patched for KRACK? :P
16:59<zifnab>!lick Eugene
16:59<linbot>zifnab: Point given to eugene. (34) (Biggest fan: jalter, total: 11)
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17:41<Zimsky>tafa2: one of the more intelligent conversations in ##security I hope
17:42<tafa2>it was fairly academic and on point
17:42<tafa2>i did not participate
17:44<Zimsky>I saw someone saying that it didn't affect WPA2-ent
17:44<Zimsky>(hint: it does)
17:45<Zimsky>people are bad at reading research papers and protocol specs
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17:47<tafa2>intel.com
17:47<tafa2>yoni you make chips?
17:47<tafa2>oh damn he gone
17:49<Zimsky>heeeee
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19:34<ardipithecus>does anybunny still use perl?
19:40<Peng_>Yes.
19:40<Peng_>I don't know anyone, but i'm sure they do.
19:50<ardipithecus>I've waited 15 years for perl 6....
19:51<ardipithecus>I remember training people in the early 2000s. I was teaching them about the new perl 6 commands.
19:51<ardipithecus>I guess they're disappointed at me now...
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20:11<synfinatic>lol. so the last time I used perl was for a commercial product called "Monolith". for shits & giggles I googled them and now they're called "AssureNow".
20:11<synfinatic>what is assurenow? AssureNow is a service assurance provider that encompasses all of the necessary components of service assurance."
20:12<synfinatic>i sure hope they didn't pay that marketing person too much for that drivel
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20:17<@scrane>It's the perfect statement, though.
20:17<@scrane>It sounds important without actually defining anything.
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20:20<Peng_>It doesn't provide much assurance about their service
20:22<synfinatic>basically it was a NetCool competitor, but rather then a proprietary lang to write rules, you used Perl.
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20:22<synfinatic>my favorite memory was when they gave us our 2 rpm's (front end / back end) to upgrade our servers and the upgraded failed
20:22<synfinatic>turned out they had swapped the names on the rpm's
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20:40<FluffyFoxeh>that description of AssureNow almost sounds procedurally generated
20:42<FluffyFoxeh>where's that startup generator site
20:43<FluffyFoxeh>http://tiffzhang.com/startup/?s=534223912891
20:43<FluffyFoxeh>http://tiffzhang.com/startup/?s=657786777988
20:44*millisa still uses dirty dirty perl. Did my linode backup apiv4 nagios monitors with it
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21:27<ardipithecus>nagios is perl. yes
21:27<millisa>there's perl in it
21:27<ardipithecus>larry wall went to africa and tried to create a new language
21:28<millisa>the web interface is mostly php at this point
21:28<ardipithecus>I mean spoken language
21:28<ardipithecus>drupal is php
21:29<ardipithecus>there's still a cult folling
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22:21<ro>Hello?
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22:24<millisa>greetings
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22:32<ardipithecus>I wrote a script that root runs. it reads files from root and other users. but when run from cron, it only allows the script to check root files (or if run as joe, only joe's files)
22:33<wraeth>do the non-root files have chmod o+r?
22:33<millisa>(I'm not sure there is a question here)
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22:34<ardipithecus>the script works. but when run from cron, script only can access its own files.
22:34<ardipithecus>so its not a file permission issue.
22:34*wraeth shrugs
22:34<wraeth>k
22:35<wraeth>millisa: i just assumed the question mark
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22:36<ardipithecus>cron is a strange monster. maybe I'll just run it as a stand alone daemon
22:39<millisa>if something works from the shell but doesn't work in cron, it's often an environment thing that isn't getting set (working directory isn't uncommon)
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22:42<ardipithecus>I even tried removing env setting in /etc/crontab and /etc/default/cron
22:43<millisa>try capturing the output. something like: * * * * * /path/to/job.sh >> /tmp/awesome.log 2>&1
22:43<ardipithecus>this is debian 9 BTW. I have other systems where this very simple script works. And I've tried different languages. so its not language specific. I've even tried simple shell script
22:44<ardipithecus>no errors 2>&1
22:45<millisa>pastebin the script?
22:45<ardipithecus>and it looks like cron is running as root, as only root files are read. other user's files are not accessed. this sounds like it cout be a security feature.
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22:46<ardipithecus>I've tried the simplist script such as shell script where the line is '/bin/cat somefile > /tmp/file'
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22:47<ardipithecus>it runs the script but the script can only access its own files. by that I mean root cant access other user's files
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22:59<millisa>spun up a deb9 linode. root's cron seems to access other folks fine? https://vomitb.in/fmsLxesyU6
23:02<ardipithecus>wow you did that for me
23:02<millisa>2 whole pennies.
23:04<millisa>oh, no. $0.0075. they round up to a penny.
23:05<ardipithecus>I'll give you a shiny new nickle.
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23:07<ardipithecus>I've always edited crontab directly. It was always in /var/spool/cron/...
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23:07<ardipithecus>so why is it different now?
23:07<ardipithecus>can I still directly edit /etc/crontab and restart cron?
23:08<ardipithecus>maybe I'm just ancient.
23:08<ardipithecus>gotta learn some new skills.
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