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00:46<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • Slow support ! Unable to get backup lock for restore <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15355&p=74885#p74885>
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01:26<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • Slow support ! Unable to get backup lock for restore <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15355&p=74886#p74886>
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01:33<imvsnu>hello
01:33<millisa>greetings
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01:33<imvsnu>help
01:34<millisa>er, ok?
01:34<imvsnu>https://www.linode.com/pricing
01:34<imvsnu>1 TB transfer means monthly or yearly
01:35<rsdehart>imvsnu: per billing period, i.e. monthly
01:35<millisa>Assuming you've got the linode up the whole month
01:36<imvsnu>ok, 1TB means monthly bandwidth
01:36<rsdehart>max 1 month, I should say
01:36<rsdehart>per calendar month, I guess
01:37<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-payments#transfer-proration applies
01:37<imvsnu>40 Gbps Network In means
01:37<imvsnu>thank you
01:37<Peng_>speed
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01:38<Zimsky>SPEED
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01:38<Zimsky>technically bandwidth
01:38<imvsnu>can I host wordpress site on $5/mo plan
01:38<Zimsky>speed is latency
01:38<Zimsky>sure you could
01:39<Zimsky>you can host a wordpress site on a 32MB XD card
01:39<imvsnu>@Zimsky how many in max
01:39<Zimsky>who's max?
01:39<Zimsky>er, what is max?
01:40<imvsnu>I mean What is the maximum number of wp site I can host on $5/mo plans
01:40<Peng_>As many as you want
01:41<millisa>whether the resources are sufficient for your sites is going to depend on your sites, the plugins you use, simultaneous users, and other things we couldn't guess for you
01:42<rsdehart>millisa: how long is a piece of string?
01:42<imvsnu>Thank you !!! you guys are really helpful :) :)
01:45<Zimsky>imvsnu: N-1 where N : number of sites before the server runs out of memory or is suspended for CPU overuse
01:46<Peng_>"suspended" is harsh
01:46<imvsnu>Zimsky: Thank you!!
01:47<Zimsky>Peng_: but you're using as much as you can use before that would happen
01:47<Zimsky>so it's okay
01:47<Zimsky>I'm not saying you should start mining for bitcoin
01:51*Woet mines Zimsky for humanity
01:51<Woet>damn nothing to be found
01:51*Woet mines Zimsky for salt instead
01:51<Zimsky>correct
01:51<Zimsky>no salt here
01:51<Zimsky>only sugar
01:51<Woet>plenty of it
01:51<Zimsky>I'm pretty sweet
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01:52<Peng_>rsdehart: The $5 string is half as long as the $10 string
01:53<Zimsky>but how long is it, Peng_?
01:53<Woet>thats a bit of a personal question
01:53<Peng_>half
01:53<millisa>well, I cut the $10 string in half, because then I'd have 2 strings. and now it's tangled with my earbud cables.
01:54<Peng_>D:
01:54<Woet>does the string even exists
01:54<millisa>string/2 = string*2. string = 0?
01:54<Zimsky>Peng_, 10^-35m
01:55<Woet>i saw a video with alan davies once
01:55<Zimsky>that's the length of a string
01:55<Woet>about how long a piece of string is
01:55<Woet>it was quite enlightening
01:55<Zimsky>Woet: I've had a casual conversation with alan davies
01:55<Zimsky>he's pretty cool
01:55<Woet>i had QI tickets a few years ago
01:55<Woet>didnt end up going
01:55<Woet>regret ever since
01:55<Zimsky>yeah
01:56<Zimsky>my favourite audience interaction was when they asked "What's the biggest load of rubbish in the world?", and someone just yelled out "France" in a thick south accent
01:58<Peng_>South of what?
01:58<Zimsky>England
01:58<Woet>so.. France?
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01:58<je>hi
01:58<millisa>hi
01:59<Woet>hi
01:59<je>https://i.imgur.com/81y3GVg.jpg I upgraded my plan to close to 100% CPU usage. But after upgrading, the CPU usage increased to 200%.
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01:59<Woet>did you debug why it was using so much CPU..?
01:59<Zimsky>Woet: Brighton
01:59<Woet>instead of just throwing more money at the problem
01:59<Zimsky>lol
01:59<Woet>because if theres something using all of the CPU then it will just use all of the CPU
02:00<Zimsky>no Woet, clearly this needs to be moved to a a distributed cluster on AWS
02:00<je>Which debug should I look at?
02:00<Peng_>Well, it went from using 100% to only like 190%. Not quite 200%.
02:00<Woet>how do you mean?
02:00<Zimsky>Woet: IT NEEDS MORE CPU
02:00<Woet>you need to SSH in and diagnose the issue
02:01<millisa>I like to start with htop
02:01<Woet>I like to start with my shirt
02:01<Peng_>What changed at 10:00, eh?
02:01<Woet>eh?
02:02<Woet>you dirty Canadian
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02:21<kyhwana_>Woet: probably hacked and mining coins
02:21<Woet>probably
02:22<Woet>or bruteforcing
02:28<Peng_>Maybe overloaded web app
02:28*Woet overloads Peng_
02:32<FluffyFoxeh>I like to start with breakfast
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02:33<trippeh>had a very stupid lapse in network security the other day, and got a machine infected with a miner, over ipmi, using a virtual cdrom
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02:33<trippeh>someone had mucked with the ipmi switch port, and boom, suddenly on the internet
02:34<trippeh>rip
02:34<grawity>that's some quality malware
02:35<Woet>probably just done by hand
02:35<grawity>but doesn't ipmi have passwords and stuff?
02:35<trippeh>grawity: sure, and it even had strong ones set.
02:35<trippeh>but ipmi is a security nightmare.
02:35<Woet>agreed
02:36<Woet>i dont know where they find those firmware engineers
02:36<Woet>but they're awful
02:36<Woet>probably taiwan
02:37<kyhwana_>trippeh: aw yeah ipmi
02:37<kyhwana_>trippeh: I like how on supermicros you can switch from the dedicated ipmi port to shared with eth0
02:37<trippeh>yeah, and sometimes by accident
02:38<kyhwana_>Or where you provide mains power to a supermicro, and plugged in eth0 before the dedicated ipmi, the ipmi would end up on eth0
02:38<grawity>I like how our new Gen9 doesn't have a dedicated ipmi port anymore :(
02:38<trippeh>ok not seen the accident part with supermicro, but with other vendors
02:38<trippeh>like failing over to shared if link is down on dedicated ipmi port
02:38<Woet>i have a very long email conversation with ipmi engineers
02:38<kyhwana_>gimmie that ADMIN HMAC-SHA1ed password with a single udp packet baby
02:40<Zimsky>oh god yes
02:40<Woet>i came
02:40<trippeh>ipmi makes intel ME/AMT look really good ;)
02:40<Zimsky>no Woet that's weird
02:40<Woet>you're weird
02:40<Zimsky>fuck Intel ME
02:40<Woet>no Zimsky that's weird
02:40<Zimsky>don't do that
02:41<kyhwana_>trippeh: remember the cipher0 "feature" where you could auth as ADMIN without providing a password?
02:41<trippeh>vividly.
02:41<FluffyFoxeh>I like how these security holes are so bad they're common knowledge to anyone who's used the thing
02:41<grawity>trippeh: though I don't really get how did messing with switch ports automatically gave it a public IP address – do the servers have DHCP available or what
02:43<Woet>dont use that dirty word
02:43<trippeh>seems so. it is not in one of our DCs so dont have any infra of our own there
02:44<FluffyFoxeh>dirty word? "ports"?
02:44<FluffyFoxeh>"it"?
02:44<FluffyFoxeh>holes
02:45<trippeh>time for bed, 9am already :o
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03:05<Ravi>Hi
03:06<Ravi>right now i am using 40$ plan in linode
03:06<Ravi>I would like to change it as 80$ plan
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03:07<Ravi>If i change the plan, does it directly migrate from 40 to 80$
03:08<Ravi>How much time it will take and is my website will be working on migration period?
03:09<Ravi>Can any one answer
03:09<grawity>I think resizing the linode is automatic; it's done offline, I'd expect ... ~30 minutes
03:09<grawity>https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/disk-images/resizing-a-linode
03:09<grawity>"Please note that the migration will take approximately 1 minute for every 3-5 gigabytes of data"
03:09<Ravi>it will not impact on my website working right
03:09<grawity>it will
03:09<Ravi>means
03:10<grawity>that's what "it's done offline" means; the linode is shut down, moved to another server, then started
03:10<Ravi>Oh ok, if this case i will change the plan in mid night
03:10<Ravi>i would like to know one thing
03:11<Ravi>Its all about backup
03:11<Ravi>How it will be helpful and i am ready to pay 10$ per backup service
03:15<Ravi>can any one tell me about backup
03:17<linbot>New news from forum: Current Betas • Linode Block Storage (Fremont beta) <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15333&p=74887#p74887>
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03:23<Ravi>can any one tell me, about 10$ backup in linode
03:24<grawity>what information are you looking for?
03:24<Ravi>If i take backup service in linode
03:24<Ravi>how it will be helpful
03:25<Ravi>suppose right now i am in 40$ plan and my storage is 94gb
03:25<grawity>backups are generally helpful for restoring a system to some older state
03:25<grawity>e.g. to recover some data from yesterday's or last week's snapshot
03:26<Ravi>oh ok, Right now it almost reached the storage space 94$
03:26<grawity>the backup service does not affect your storage space
03:26<Ravi>After reached the storage space what will happened? I mean my website will work or not?
03:27<Ravi>can one give me some sought of solution for this
03:27<Ravi>its 94gb
03:28<FluffyFoxeh>remember, after you resize your linode you need to resize the disks too
03:29<Ravi>in this case backup will helpful or not
03:29<grawity>the backup service does not affect your storage space
03:30<Ravi>oh ok
03:30<Ravi>Every time i will not resize the storage space so, give me a solution for this storage space
03:32<Ravi>Any better idea to over come this storage problem
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03:34<Ravi>hmm
03:34<grawity>well, what data is the website storing?
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03:35<grawity>if you don't want to resize the storage space, your only solution is to *store less data*
03:36<grawity>if you don't know what is being stored: install ncdu, then run `sudo ncdu -x /`
03:36<grawity>that'll give you a summary
03:37<Ravi>oh ok
03:37<Ravi>thank you
03:37<grawity>maybe you have 90 GB worth of useless log files
03:37<Peng_>Why don't you want to resize it?
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04:17<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • Api v4 StackScript failed to execute <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15356&p=74888#p74888>
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05:07<glenr>Is there anyone in here that can help me with sales?
05:09<Peng_>This is mostly a community channel, but maybe. Why do you ask?
05:09<@sjacobs>glenr: anyone here can try to help. some things need a phone call or ticket, but most do not. what's your question?
05:10<glenr>I have a few if that is okay
05:10<glenr>Im looking to switch from my old hosting prover to linode
05:11<glenr>If i do so can i transfer my domains/SSL certs for free?
05:11<@sjacobs>glenr: you can manage your DNS records with Linode, but we are not a registrar.
05:12<@sjacobs>regarding SSL certs, you would manage and configure those yourself.
05:13<Peng_>As for your certificates, that's more of a question from your old host. If you have the private key and certificate files, you can certainly use them on Linode.
05:13<glenr>Great thank you
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05:13<glenr>Will I get charged for moving domians?
05:13<Peng_>No.
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05:13<Peng_>You could also get new certificates for free from Let's Encrypt. https://letsencrypt.org/ </shill for non-profit>
05:14<@sjacobs>https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/dns/dns-manager-overview
05:14<@sjacobs>^ this may help to understand what you can do with our DNS Manager.
05:14<glenr>do I get root access to the server?
05:15<@sjacobs>yes.
05:15<glenr>So I am okay to install things such as NGINX and ElasticSearch?
05:15<Peng_>Yes.
05:15<glenr>Perfect
05:16<glenr>Do you know what the price is in GBP for the lowest server you offer?
05:16<@sjacobs>https://www.linode.com/pricing#all the lowest is $5.00. specs are on the pricing page.
05:17<@sjacobs>per month*
05:17<glenr>I see so what would that be in GBP?
05:18<Peng_>Currently £3.80 according to Google's currency conversions
05:18<glenr>I see. Is there a discount for paying yearly?
05:19<@sjacobs>no discounts. we do have some promotional codes on our docs pages, though, that you can use when signing up.
05:19<@sjacobs>for example https://www.linode.com/docs/getting-started
05:20<glenr>Ah that is great. What can the credit be spent on?
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05:20<Peng_>Any services
05:21<@sjacobs>it will go towards your invoice. everything is billed at an hourly rate, up the monthly price on the pricing page. invoices go out on the first of the month.
05:21<@sjacobs>up to*
05:21<glenr>Ahh I see so if I use less than the monthly price of $5 I will be charged less?
05:22<@sjacobs>yup. if you create a Linode for a couple days and remove it, you will only be billed for the hours it was on your account.
05:23<glenr>I see that seems great.
05:23<glenr>Well thank you for the information
05:23<@sjacobs>no problem.
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06:19<linbot>New news from blog: Fall 2017 Events <https://blog.linode.com/2017/09/14/fall-2017-events/> || 2017 Summer Events <https://blog.linode.com/2017/07/13/2017-summer-events/> || Linode Network Backbone <https://blog.linode.com/2017/06/27/linode-network-backbone/> || Linode turns 14! <https://blog.linode.com/2017/06/16/linode-turns-14/> || High-Memory Instances and $5 Linodes <https://blog.linode.com/2017/02/14/high-memory-instances-and-5-linod
06:20<Peng_>Thanks linbot
06:20<@sjacobs>i almost forgot!
06:20<Peng_>:D
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06:51<gisboy>hello
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06:52<gisboy>I canceled my account. Will the extra money be returned?
06:52<gisboy>Who can help me
06:57<@sjacobs>gisboy: support can help if you email support@linode.com with the last 6 digits of the credit card. just include that you want to know about your refund.
06:57<linbot>New news from forum: Current Betas • Linode REST API (v4) - Early Access <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14885&p=74889#p74889>
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07:00<gisboy>@sjacobs thanks
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07:08<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Im happy I finally registered <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15357&p=74890#p74890>
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07:14<acuzio>Ola folks ., anyone experiencing issues with linodes in London ?
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07:14<grawity>nope
07:14<acuzio>I cant get into my server .,....(as of 10 minutes ago).
07:15<grawity>can you get into Lish?
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07:15<nate>Check the manager to see if it's still running? Tried lish?
07:15<acuzio>nate: checked manager , still running ., tried lish - no luck.
07:18<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • I am the new one <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15358&p=74891#p74891>
07:18<acuzio>nope , no ssh ., cannot ping either. The linode is located in the London data center
07:18<@sjacobs>acuzio: london?
07:18<@sjacobs>we've got people looking into it.
07:19<acuzio>sjacobs: Ah ok ., any place where i can check for updates ?
07:20<@sjacobs>acuzio: looks like those affected should be getting at ticket in a minute or two and we'll keep that updated.
07:20<acuzio>Ta
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07:27<Charlie>Hey, anyone else has issues with London servers?
07:28<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • I am the new one <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15359&p=74892#p74892>
07:28<@sjacobs>Charlie: tickets are going out now to update those affected.
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07:28<Charlie>@sjacobs, anything serious?
07:30<@sjacobs>i don't have any details at the moment. admins are working on it, though.
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07:31<Charlie>Thanks, @sjacobs.
07:31<nate>(sjacobs accidently spilt his apple cider on a server)
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07:32<nate>I wonder in the grand age of technology and datacenters, if anyone HAS actually spilt apple cider on a server somewhere in the world up until now. And when I start wondering random weird shit it's a good sign I should go to bed lol
07:35<acuzio>My money is on a rat gnawing through the cable
07:38<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • HELP: "This site can't be reached" from cellular networks <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15330&p=74817#p74817>
07:40<@jackley>Charlie: just to give you an update: it seems like it's a networking issue with a group of hosts. The hosts themselves are fine. We're investigating the networking issue now.
07:40<Charlie>@jackley, thanks for the update.
07:41<Peng_>That's good
07:41<Peng_>nate: Guess no one's spilled apple cider on the servers today. :D On the switches, maybe...
07:42<acuzio>@jackley , thank you
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07:47<nate>Indeed lol
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08:02<Charlie>Hi there. Any updates on the network issue?
08:04<@jmetz>Charlie: nothing new to report yet
08:04<Charlie>ok :(
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08:17<@jackley>Charlie: we've identified the issue, and we're working with our London datacenter on a fix now.
08:17<Charlie>Thank you, @jackley. Hope that won't be a lengthy process.
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09:05<acuzio>@jackley Thanks , please keep us updated
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09:17<Charlie>Any timeframe expectations for the resolution of the issue?
09:17<@jackley>no :(
09:18<@jackley>Charlie: someone in London is physically working on the issue now.
09:18<Charlie>OK
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09:28<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • new Linode Manager <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15001&p=74894#p74894> || General Discussion • humble sujjestion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15360&p=74893#p74893>
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09:34<Charlie>It appears that host is back.
09:34<acuzio>+1 looks like its back
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09:46<leadstoriescom>Hi, anyone else experiencing heavy network lag on Atlanta linodes again?
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09:47<leadstoriescom>Running speedtest on the command line and getting download speeds in the single digits (Mbits/s), should be hundreds normally...
09:48<leadstoriescom>Also 50ms+ latency to speedest server
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09:48<linbot>New news from forum: Performance and Tuning • Global performance tuning <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15290&p=74819#p74819>
09:48<leadstoriescom>(If you want to test too, apt-get install speedtest-cli)
09:49<leadstoriescom>then run 'speedtest'
09:50<ponas>leadstoriescom: I got 10 MB/s from Europe
09:51<dwfreed>leadstoriescom: the internet is a series of tubes; some of them are clogged with shit
09:51<dwfreed>try other servers
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09:58<leadstoriescom>https://twitter.com/mschenk/status/921012492435968001
10:00<dwfreed>and, like I said, try other servers
10:01<dwfreed>tweeting about it doesn't change anything
10:01<dwfreed>and it's not likely within Linode's control
10:02<@jackley>leadstoriescom: could you paste some MTRs? that'd help
10:03<dwfreed>linbot: mtr-atlanta 66.71.248.162
10:03<linbot>dwfreed: [mtr-atlanta] 5.|-- 66.71.255.145 0.0% 3 51.5 49.7 46.5 51.5 2.5 -- 6.|-- 66.71.248.162 0.0% 3 51.5 49.0 47.4 51.5 2.1 -- see https://mtr-atlanta.mn0.us/?c=0f114866 for full mtr
10:03<dwfreed>jackley: ^
10:03<dwfreed>that's the IP of the speedtest server he used
10:04<Peng_>Yes i'm experiencing network lag in Atlanta. :)
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10:05<Peng_>The tubes are clogged aroudn hop 2-3 in Linode's network.
10:05<leadstoriescom>My Frankfurt linode has 700+ Mbits/s download speed
10:05<dwfreed>great, that's a completely different part of the world
10:05<leadstoriescom>And one of my other linodes in Atlanta also lags like hell
10:06<leadstoriescom>Same issue happened about 24 hours ago
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10:07<leadstoriescom> mtr -rwc 100 speedtest.net Start: Thu Oct 19 14:04:55 2017 HOST: pro Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev 1.|-- 2600:3c02::8678:acff:fe5a:1941 0.0% 100 2.2 1.2 0.7 4.6 0.5 2.|-- 2600:3c02:4444:1::1 3.0% 100 52.0 51.3 45.9 56.7 2.0 3.|-- ae-31.a01.atlnga05.us.bb.gin.ntt.net 2.0% 100 52.5 53.3 42.5 105.9 7.6 4.|-- fastly-i
10:07<leadstoriescom>From the Atlanta box
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10:08<@jackley>ty. leadstoriescom & Peng_: I'm talking with my network operations team about this now
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10:08<Peng_>It's not to every destination, just many of them. :P
10:08<Peng_>Or maybe it's to every destination, but not every packet.
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10:08<dwfreed>I mean, mtr-ing to speedtest.net isn't going to send you to the speedtest server you tested
10:09<leadstoriescom>And here is the Frankfurt box, by comparison
10:09<leadstoriescom>Start: Thu Oct 19 14:07:10 2017 HOST: localhost Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev 1.|-- 2a01:7e01::5287:89ff:fe40:a1c1 0.0% 100 1.0 1.0 0.8 1.3 0.0 2.|-- 2a01:7e01:4::2 0.0% 100 1.0 1.4 0.8 3.9 0.4 3.|-- fastly2.fra.ecix.net 0.0% 100 1.3 1.2 1.1 1.9 0.0 4.|-- 2a04:4e42:400::230 0.0% 100 1.0 1.0 1.
10:09<@jackley>Ok thanks. No issues in Frankfurt or anywhere else atm :)
10:09<dwfreed>1, that gets cut off, 2, it eats the newlines; use a pastebin
10:09<dwfreed>!p
10:09<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at https://bpaste.net/ and not in the channel
10:09<@jackley>(besides ATL)
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10:10<leadstoriescom>Here you go https://bpaste.net/show/be0d9326eb16
10:14<Peng_>Did it just get better?
10:14<Peng_>...no...
10:14<@jackley>possibly, we're moving bits around to fix the issue.
10:14<Peng_>It got better for at least one route, i think. At least temporarily.
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10:16<dwfreed>linbot: mtr-atlanta 66.71.248.162
10:16<linbot>dwfreed: [mtr-atlanta] 5.|-- 66.71.255.145 0.0% 3 50.4 46.0 39.9 50.4 5.4 -- 6.|-- 66.71.248.162 0.0% 3 50.8 49.0 45.8 50.8 2.7 -- see https://mtr-atlanta.mn0.us/?c=097bba9f for full mtr
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10:17<dzho>heh, the Bohr-Oppenheimer approximation, as applied to IT
10:17<dzho>("electrons move so much faster than nuclei it's not even funny")
10:17<dzho>oops, Born-Oppenheimer
10:17<dzho>Max, not Neils
10:18<dwfreed>was going to say, didn't find a bohr-oppenheimer approximation
10:19<dzho>yeah, sorry
10:19<dzho>been a long time :-)
10:19<dwfreed>dzho: my atomic physics is terrible; can you ELI5?
10:21<dzho>dwfreed: calculating various things about molecules is made simpler by dividing the problem into two steps: First step holds the nuclei in fixed positions and running the calculations on just the electrons. Then, the results of that step are fed into calculations involving just the nuclei.
10:23<dwfreed>and then the relation to what just happened in here? I'm not seeing the connection
10:24<dzho>just thinking of moving bits (fast) to compensate for possible problems with hardware (slow)
10:25<dzho>> possibly, we're moving bits around to fix the issue.
10:25<dzho>sorry, just a metaphor that makes some sense in my head
10:25<dwfreed>heh
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10:58<linbot>New news from forum: Current Betas • Linode Block Storage (Fremont beta) <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15333&p=74896#p74896> || Feature Request/Bug Report • new Linode Manager <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15001&p=74835#p74835> || Web Servers and Web App Development • HELP: "This site can't be reached" from cellular networks <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15330&p=74817#p74817>
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11:12<@jackley>leadstoriescom: Peng_: how is ATL looking for you?
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11:15<MM>Hi, sorry to bother you, We already have two server running on linux (debian) and hosting PHP application on them. We currently have major problem with mailing from that servers - Mails are not delivered ... on time... but with a HUGE delay. We are using postfix to send mails. Does LINODE offer some kind of internal SMTP server as a Service ? Maybe with a domain ?
11:16<nate>MM: They don't, but you can easily set up a "proper" SMTP on your own linode (and probably should, a lot of mail filters will block mail sent baseline from mail() with no form of authentication)
11:18<Peng_>jackley: Some things definitely better. Other things... will know soonish.
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11:19<chai>hih
11:19<chai>hi
11:19<Peng_>Hello
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11:21<chai>i want to know my account is inclinding host?
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11:23<Peng_>What?
11:25<Peng_>jackley: I think it's all better, AFAICT. :3
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11:31<farid>hello how i can install ftp server on linode ubuntu
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11:32<farid>?
11:32<farid>hello how i can install ftp server on linode ubuntu
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11:34<dzho>!docsearch ftp
11:34<linbot>https://www.linode.com/docs/search?q=ftp
11:34<dzho>!docsearch sftp
11:34<linbot>https://www.linode.com/docs/search?q=sftp
11:36<dzho>farid: so, if you install an ssh server (like openssh) on your linode, you get sftp service automatically.
11:36<dzho>that suffices for authenticated users to transfer data to and from a linode.
11:36<dzho>and is usually what most people need.
11:37<dzho>if you have a specific need for anonymous access, myriad http server options are almost always a better bet.
11:37<farid>i can able to login from putty ssh
11:38<dzho>farid: see some of the links above, you'll probably want to use filezilla or something like that for data transfer, rather than shell access
11:38<dzho>putty gives shell
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11:39<dzho>(it does have scp and if I recall correctly sftp capabilities, but these are not so easily used)
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13:36<James_c>Hi, I read that it is possible to register an account with one of these prepaid cards. I'm wondering what happens if this card expires (for example in 2020). Would my account still be valid? Or.. what will happen? (I intend to use PayPal to pay after registering with the prepaid card)
13:44<@mcintosh>James_c: your account will be fine as long as you don't have a negative balance
13:44<@mcintosh>even if your card expires
13:45<scotti>prepaid cards work?
13:45<scotti>really?
13:45<@mcintosh>well i can't make a guarantee that every single one will work
13:45<@mcintosh>but by and large yes
13:45<scotti>hmm
13:45<James_c>Makes sense, what would happen if I happen to have a negative balance? I guess my account will be canceled since you can't retrieve the payment? Or?
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13:47<emzi>hi, like in aws - is there a lenode that comes with mysql and phpmyadmin preinstalled?
13:47<@mcintosh>James_c: we give people time, but if you never resolved the balance, we would delete your services
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13:47<scotti>emzi: nope
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13:47<James_c>mcintosh: Alright, I'm totally fine with that consequence. Thanks for clarifying!
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13:47<@mcintosh>no problem
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13:48<scotti>emzi: you might find a relevant StackScript though: https://www.linode.com/stackscripts
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13:49<emzi>Thanks Scotti !
13:49<scotti>sure
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17:01<Woet>Eugene: we're done
17:02<Woet>i cant handle your lies and deceit
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17:20<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Just want to say Hello. <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15363&p=74898#p74898>
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17:30<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • HELP: "This site can't be reached" from cellular networks <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15330&p=74817#p74817>
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20:37<ralphj>test
20:37<millisa>test received
20:37<Zimsky>test failed
20:38<Zimsky>reverting to System V
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23:09<zifnab>Zimsky: sysvinit is best init
23:09<zifnab>speaking of sys v
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23:33<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Im happy I now signed up <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15364&p=74899#p74899>
23:35<linbot>New news from status: Linode Manager, Linode.com and API connection Issues <https://status.linode.com/incidents/6gl73nvjpv92>
23:36<Zimsky>el taco
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23:37<millisa>Investigating Intensively
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