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00:47<hannah>Hi
00:47<hannah>Is anyone here
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00:48<hannah>may I have a question ?
00:48<hannah>I am going to buy a VPS
00:48<hannah>buut I don't know how to choose
00:49<@rsyracuse>hannah: hey there. What did you need to know?
00:51<hannah>I want to know where it is ?Texas?
00:52<hannah>Or Silicon Valley ?
00:52<Guest8628>there are a few: https://www.linode.com/speedtest
00:52<Guest8628>each one of those speedtests are for a separate facility
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00:54<@rsyracuse>hannah: That's correct. You also get a choice of which datacenter you end up with, so you should be able to pick whichever one gives you the best performance
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00:57<hannah>Thank you guys
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00:58<linbot>New news from status: Upstream Loss - Some Paths <https://status.linode.com/incidents/j33n00qm1hsq>
00:58<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • High CPU usage for my Linode 8192 <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15441&p=75045#p75045> || General Discussion • Unable to restore my backup <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15440&p=75043#p75043>
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01:01<hannah>sorry, can any speak Chinese here ?
01:01<dwfreed>unlikely
01:01<hannah>can anyone speak Chinses here?
01:03<hannah>Okay, I try to show my need in my stupid English
01:04<Eugene>Every night I'm a towel
01:05<dwfreed>hannah: you seem to be doing okay so far :)
01:05<hannah>so before I buy it ,I have to do test to choose the best datacenter for me?
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01:05<hannah>thank you Dwfreed
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01:05<dwfreed>you don't have to, but it'd be a good idea :)
01:06<dwfreed>Tokyo generally works the best for China, though if you're closer to the south end, Singapore might be good too
01:06<hannah>nono
01:08<hannah>I want to build a web for trade, especially for USA/ Europe customers
01:09<hannah>so I think us will be a good chice
01:09<hannah>choice
01:11<dwfreed>if you want good performance for both US and Europe, Newark or London would be your best bet
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01:13<Peng_>If you want good performance for the US, and okay performance for China, Fremont is a good bet.
01:13<Peng_>But that would be worse for Europe
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01:19<FluffyFoxeh>much splits
01:19<hannah>Hi
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01:20<hannah>my net service is down
01:20<FluffyFoxeh>what do you mean?
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01:22<hannah>I joined LINODE just now
01:23<hannah>Some kind guys gave some advice but I can't find them any more
01:25<hannah>are there two or more chat room ?
01:26<hannah>can anyone speak Chinese here ?
01:27<hannah>what need I do if I want to buy a VPS in Linode ?
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01:29<hannah>Is anyone here ?
01:29<dwfreed>Hi
01:29<hannah>Hi
01:30<hannah>I am looking for you
01:30<hannah>which city you adviced just now ?
01:31<hannah>I can't find all informations
01:31<dwfreed>I suggested Newark or London
01:31<hannah>Oh , yes. Newark
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01:53<hannah>Thank you Dwfreed
01:53<dwfreed>no problem
01:53<hannah>I think Newark will be a good choice
01:54<hannah>It is in the middle of USA land and Europe
01:55<hannah>May I ask which steps should I do next ?
01:56<hannah>Linode 4GB $20/mo ($.03/hr) 4 GB RAM 2 CPU Cores 48 GB SSD Storage 3 TB Transfer 40 Gbps Network In 1000 Mbps Network Out------------how about this plan for me.
01:59<hannah>I am looking for your professional suggestions, guys.
01:59<hannah>Could anybody do me a favor?
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01:59<Al_>hi guys,
01:59<hannah>Hi
02:00<Al_>Can anyone explain pls, what are my option if I want to buy the $10 linode, but need at least 50GB of storage?
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02:00<Peng_>The best option is to buy the $20 or $0 Linodes.
02:01<Peng_>Block storage is in beta in Fremont and Newark, but you shouldn't rely on beta services too much.
02:01<Peng_>$20 or $40 *
02:02<Al_>So there
02:02<Al_>sorry.
02:03<hannah>Hi,what about me ? If I buy it for showing my company and products. which plan will be better?
02:03<Al_>So there's no option just increase the storage of my existing linode for few extra $$ (as in digitalocean)
02:03<Al_>?
02:03<hannah>@ Peng
02:05<hannah>Need I buy Cpanel at the same time ?
02:06<Peng_>Al_: Linode has the same option, it's just in beta, and only in two data centers so far
02:06<Peng_>hannah: You can start with the $5 plan, and upgrade later if you need to :)
02:07<hannah>Thank you,Peng
02:08<hannah>But if I choose $20, would my web be faster when open it?
02:10<hannah>sorry, what I meant is will it be faster when open the Web site
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02:11<Al_>Hanna: are you referring to the block storage?
02:12<hannah>yes
02:13<Al_>I see. When is it expected to come out of beta?
02:15<hannah>sorry I do not know
02:15<Al_>Ok. tnx for your assistance.
02:15<hannah> Need I buy Cpanel when buy Linode
02:15<Al_>Bye
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06:18<vs>https://welcome.linode.com/features-2017/?keyword=linode%20pricing&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIkeeDpKms1wIVRB0rCh2ihAGiEAAYASAAEgKxGPD_BwE
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06:19<vs>hello i would like to puchase this linux virual server
06:20<vs>can we open 2195 port in this server?
06:20<@sjacobs>vs: https://www.linode.com/docs/getting-started
06:21<@sjacobs>no ports are blocked. you are welcome to configure your own firewall.
06:23<vs>ok thankyou jacobs
06:29<JamesTK>sjacobs: Linode doesn't use co-lo transit anymore, does it?
06:29<JamesTK>I remember Atlanta used to be the only one that blocked ports back in the day
06:31<Peng_>https://bgp.he.net/AS63949
06:33<JamesTK>I wonder what work's AS is...
06:34<JamesTK>Ah yes, https://bgp.he.net/AS16509
06:34<Peng_>Tokyo 1 probably still uses data center transit?
06:35<Peng_>But i doubt any of the others do?
06:35<Peng_>Tokyo 1's IPs still seem to be https://bgp.he.net/AS2516
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06:59<vineet>hi
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07:01<vineet>hi. is anybody there?
07:01<@rsyracuse>vineet: hey there, what did you need help with?
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07:02<vineet>I bought a plan in linode of 4 GB
07:03<vineet>which is running currently.
07:03<vineet>I have hosted a website with name : "www.b2bharat.com"
07:03<vineet>now i want to host multiple website from my domain...how should I do that?
07:04<vineet>my plan : Linode 4096
07:06<ponas>you configure your webserver with virtual hosts
07:06<ponas>do you use apache?
07:06<vineet>server in centos
07:08<@rsyracuse>vineet: this might help https://geekflare.com/multiple-domains-on-one-server-with-apache-nginx/
07:10<vineet>DO you have steps in linode to add another DNS in same domain>
07:15<@rsyracuse>if you're using our DNS manager you'd just need to add the necessary zones and records https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/dns/dns-manager-overview
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07:41<vineet>hi
07:41<DrJ>hi
07:41<vineet>how to book domain a in linode and host it
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07:42<DrJ>https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/hosting-a-website
07:42<vineet>my package is linode 4096
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07:42<DrJ>package doesn't really make a difference in how you accomplish it
07:43<DrJ>* -really
07:43<vineet>what under my package , how many websites i can book and host>
07:43<DrJ>vineet: no set number
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07:43<DrJ>basically it is however many your resources can handle
07:44<DrJ>if you are running a very popular site with thousands of hits a minute... that might be the only site you can reasonably host
07:44<vineet>how many domains do i get with my package?
07:44<DrJ>however, if you are hosting small sites that get a hit every minute or so... hundreds... if not thousands of sites you could host
07:44<DrJ>no domain registrations are included in any packages
07:44<DrJ>you have to register your domains yourself from another provider
07:45<vineet>so how to book the domain from linode
07:45<DrJ>what do you mean by "book"?
07:46<DrJ>do you mean register/get/own a domain name?
07:46<vineet>yes
07:46<DrJ>you can't do that through Linode
07:46<DrJ>Linode is not a registar
07:46<DrJ>there are tons of registars out there
07:46<DrJ>I personally use namecheap.com
07:46<@jhaas>namecheap++
07:47<vineet>but can host multiple website throigh the same server
07:47<@jhaas>(although I wish they'd add CAA)
07:47<DrJ>yep, again vineet, you there is no set limit on the number of domains/websites you can host
07:47<@jhaas>Yes, that's typically called adding "Virtual Hosts" which any major web server will support
07:47<vineet>but can host multiple website through the same server (linode server)?
07:47<DrJ>you are only limited by your resources (such as disk space, throughput, memory, etc)
07:48<DrJ>vineet: a single linode can host as many domains as you want
07:48<DrJ>again, limited only by your resources
07:48<vineet>how to add virtual hosts ?
07:49<vineet>i have centos
07:49<DrJ>https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/hosting-a-website
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07:49<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • Errors When Sending Email To GMail Accounts <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15247&p=75046#p75046>
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07:50<DrJ>there are guides like that for most things vineet. You are however basically on your own with a linode on getting things set up
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07:50<DrJ>people might help you with small problems, but unlikely you'll find anyone who's going to walk you through the whole thing
07:50<vineet>hmm
07:51<vineet>one more thing..how can i connect to my DB
07:51<vs>Hi i have planned to purchase Spec: 2GB RAM, 1 core CPU, 24GB storage, 2 TB transfer
07:51<DrJ>https://www.linode.com/docs/ <--you can search the docs here
07:51<vineet>which is running in linode'
07:51<DrJ>vineet: that hosting a website guide I just posted goes into using a DB
07:51<vs>can any one coordinate with me for puchasing
07:51<DrJ>vs: you purchase on the website. Is there a problem?
07:52<DrJ>https://www.linode.com/pricing
07:52<vs>i am very new to this, so i need some guidence
07:52<DrJ>those are the plans available vs
07:52<DrJ>looks like you are leaning towards the $10 plan
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07:53<vs>my requirement is PHP works on 2195 port, will it open
07:53<DrJ>PHP is not a server
07:53<DrJ>you could run a web server on port 2195 if you wanted
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07:53<DrJ>which could run PHP scripts
07:53<vs>i need to work PHP in purchasing server
07:54<DrJ>PHP will work on all linode plans... but again, PHP is not itself a server so it can not bind to a port itself
07:54<DrJ>now you could write a server script in PHP that binds to 2195
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07:54<DrJ>or again, run a web server on 2195 that runs PHP
07:54<vs>ok thankyou
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10:49<KRIKDESIGN>Hello. Please, could you help me. I want to recover deleted account. Is it possible?
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10:50<dzho>!to KRIKDESIGN contact
10:50<linbot>KRIKDESIGN: https://www.linode.com/contact
10:51<KRIKDESIGN>already done, thx
10:51<@jhaas>dzho: tbf IRC is one of the links on that page :P
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10:51<@jackley>KRIKDESIGN: hi! if you email us at support@linode.com, we can see about helping you with that :)
10:51<dzho>KRIKDESIGN: you should contact linode more directly. This is community chat, so a) most of us know nothing of the account and b) couldn't do anything about it
10:51<KRIKDESIGN>thx)
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10:52<dzho>and c) the ops who are linode employees above can't talk about details here anyway :-)
10:52<Woet>and d) Eugene loves towels
10:52<@jhaas>e) there is no f and g) lists are fun
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10:55<dzho>h) yeah tbh the collected can responses still don't quite cover the confusion created by having this as an "official" freenode channel (eg, it's #linode rather than ##linode) but not populated solely by direct customer-company discussions.
10:55<dzho>and also having the contact page link here
10:56<@jhaas>heh i'm willing to bet <5% of the people who get here via the contact page have any idea what the distinction between # and ## is
10:56<@jhaas>but yeah pretty much agree with the second thing
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10:57<dzho>maybe moving the "connect with your web client" link from the very top would help
10:57<dzho>putting it under the explanatory text, maybe
10:57<nate>Is the person who owns #linode on freenode not a linode staff member?
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10:57<dzho>I was going to say "make a cut out page between the link and the web client" but then I saw that there is already https://www.linode.com/chat and that's pretty good so far.
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10:58<dzho>(the health of this IRC channel was a selling point for me originally, fwiw, so I'm still largely a fan, though I wasn't new to IRC)
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11:13<@mcintosh>dzho: this is oftc
11:15<@mcintosh>the freenode channel isn't of the ## variety, admittedly, but it also doesn't get customers coming in for account-specific assistance very often
11:16<dzho>mcintosh: hah, yeah, I always forget. Not sure, but this is probably the biggest use I make of oftc.
11:16<dzho>very good point though wrt official status of the channel.
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11:26<smallclone>so uh
11:27<smallclone>what firmware y'all running on your routers these days?
11:27<smallclone>i need to decide what to use before i go shopping
11:27<ponas>very happy with openwrt
11:32<ponas>I've bought some ~40 TP-Link access points that support openwrt. the archer c7 is pretty good for home use
11:33<smallclone>i'm planning on basically buying one big death star of a router to cover my whole apartment since it's not super big..
11:34<ponas>if you need to route (NAT) more than ~200 Mbit there are less options
11:34<ponas>I've been considering Ubiquiti's stuff, edgerouter + AP powered over PoE
11:35<smallclone>oh yeah i've heard of that
11:35<ponas>I like how you can simply replace the AP when new wifi standards appear
11:35<ponas>or add another one
11:37<Eugene>Very day
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11:37<ponas>very linode
11:37<Eugene>Every Im linodin
11:37<Eugene>Tablet keyboards duck
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11:56<@jspinosi>ponas +1 for the archer c7 with openwrt
12:01<smallclone>damn those things are cheap
12:01<smallclone>alright i'll try one out
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12:05<trippeh>my multiple gigabit FTTHs are not amused.
12:06<trippeh>or maybe they are, hmm
12:07<smallclone>i have more than 25 Mbps available to me in the home for the first time...ever really. which is why i'm ditching my ancient linksys
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12:16<dwfreed>I'm lucky to have 10 Mbit
12:16<dwfreed>but at least that's symmetric
12:16<@jhaas>psh IPoAC all the way
12:17<tafa2>0o I just realised there's also a channel on Freenode
12:18<dwfreed>the freenode channel is a lot less active
12:18<tafa2>I can imagine
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12:18<tafa2>there's only mcintosh running things there
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12:30*mcintosh tips fedora
12:31<@jspinosi>it's all just him conversing with himself
12:37<smallclone>i would read that
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13:15<Eugene>I use a pfSense router for my own home network; its a bit overkill but will never need replacing. Netgate's SG-1000 an SG-3100 are both shiny and we use them at $DAYJOB
13:16<Eugene>For switching+WiFi I like Unifi gear. Their gateway appliance is OK, but it doesn't do the fancy things that I want so I have the pf instead.
13:17<dwfreed>I have an Asus RT-AC68U running tomato
13:19<FluffyFoxeh>build a massive full ATX "router"
13:22<Eugene>Dual 10Gbase-T onboard https://store.netgate.com/pfSense/XG-1541.aspx
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13:42<thomasphillimore>Hey
13:42<relidy>thomasphillimore: Hello
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14:18<trippeh>Eugene: I use a Xeon D-1518, much cheaper than a D-1541 and routes 10G OK.
14:18<trippeh>half the cores
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14:22<trippeh>got 4 10G SFP+ ports on this one, running multiple VRFs, one per gig ISP ;)
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16:47<user32221>Hi
16:48<user32221>I was just wondering if the username to log in to Linode is just a login name or is it also a display name?
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16:48<dwfreed>user32221: what do you mean display name?
16:50<user32221>For things like forums, the name that is shown
16:50<@mcintosh>user32221: your username would be displayed, for example, next to a support ticket (if you were to submit one)
16:51<@mcintosh>but it is not shown publically to other customers, if that is what you mean (the forums are totally separate)
16:53<user32221>So there's no way any other user would find out about someone's username, so I can just use a private username for security purposes?
16:57<dwfreed>fo0bar: what happened to finnix?
16:58<jkwood>It swam away
17:00<dwfreed>user32221: there's no security in a username
17:00<user32221>If no one knows it, there is
17:01<user32221>some services keep user's usernames private as an additional layer of security when logging in
17:04<dwfreed>security by obscurity is not security
17:04<user32221>so you're saying passwords aren't secure?
17:05<dwfreed>usernames are sent all over place, including in plaintext email
17:05<dwfreed>and no, passwords aren't really secure
17:06<user32221>I agree with your point on security through obscurity
17:06<user32221>but it shouldn't be extended to the point of things like passwords
17:06<user32221>if you know what I'm saying
17:06<user32221>also most email servers encrypt their emails using TLS 1.2 before they send out an email
17:07<dwfreed>but they don't do cert checking
17:07<dwfreed>so i could just MITM the MTA exchange
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17:10<dwfreed>also it's easy to just block the SSL upgrade
17:10<user32221>why wouldn't cert checking be involved?
17:10<user32221>what do you mean by SSL upgrade
17:11<user32221>are you talking about POODLE?
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17:11<dwfreed>I'm talking about MTA to MTA email exchange
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17:11<dwfreed>they often don't validate the certificate
17:12<dwfreed>or just strip the STARTTLS attempt
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17:13<user32221>@mcintosh
17:15<@mcintosh>hello
17:15<user32221>hi :) from your answer earlier
17:15<user32221>so there's no way any other user would find out about someone's username, so I can just use a private username for security purposes?
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17:18<@mcintosh>user32221: correct
17:20<user32221>ok, thanks :)
17:22<user32221>@dwfreed btw i've wondered for a while, do you know what TLS does to prevent an initial encryption handshake being MITM'd so the attacker knows how to decrypt the data?
17:22<user32221>if that makes sense
17:22<user32221>(assuming the certificate is checked)
17:23<user32221>so if my browser were to send a packet to google, and google gives my browser the key to use for decryption
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17:23<user32221>wouldn't an attacker in the middle be able to grab that key and decrypt the connection to see the data being tranferred?
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17:25<FluffyFoxeh>user32221: indeed. that's called the key exchange problem. I don't quite recall what scheme TLS uses to solve it
17:25<relidy>user32221: Key exchange in TLS is a lot more complex than simply exchanging public keys. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security#Key_exchange_or_key_agreement
17:26<user32221>relidy yeah i'd assume so
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17:26<user32221>thx for the link :)
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18:43<tafa2>guyyyyyyys you're going to start charging VAT?
18:44<@scrane>That is correct.
18:44<tafa2>apart from being awesome that was like a major advantage of hosting with you!
18:44<@bmartin>Well I can confirm we will continue to be awesome
18:44<@bmartin>if that helps
18:45<tafa2>haha
18:45<tafa2>thanks
18:45<ponas>perhaps you could lower your prices 25%
18:45<tafa2>now just add actual custom ISO support and you've got me for life
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18:45<@scrane>Hahaha as nice as that would be, I don't think we'll be able to lower prices.
18:46<@scrane>tafa2, Have you taken a look at this guide? https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/custom-kernels-distros/install-a-custom-distribution-on-a-linode
18:46<tafa2>I have
18:46<tafa2>quite a few times as of late
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18:46<tafa2>it works
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18:47<tafa2>but I wouldn't call it as "friendly" as - what is the URL of the ISO you'd like to use + please launch glish, the ISO is now ready to be booted.
18:47<@scrane>Haha that's fair.
18:47<tafa2>I'll trade you adding VAT + not lowering prices for... increasing drive sizes on demand without increasing RAM and ISO support
18:47<tafa2>fair trade?
18:48<dwfreed>you could easily make a stackscript to do that
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18:48<tafa2>dwfreed yeah but it could it be done to use disk resizing features + linode backups?
18:48<tafa2>on LVM based distros? :)
18:48<@scrane>Hmmmmm don't know what we can do about ISO support, but we're working on the Block Storage for the drive sizes.
18:49<tafa2>scrane or just add a few more images to your library?
18:49<tafa2>(Like FreePBX? :P)
18:50<dwfreed>I mean, if you're going to be maintaining the system, you kind of need to know what you're doing
18:50<tafa2>When does the VAT kick in btw?
18:50<dwfreed>if you can't dd an iso to a block device and go through an installer, I really question your ability to admin the product
18:51<tafa2>dwfreed - [23:47:22] tafa2: but I wouldn't call it as "friendly" as - what is the URL of the ISO you'd like to use + please launch glish, the ISO is now ready to be booted.
18:52<dwfreed>You know how many people have deployed the Wordpress stackscript and then later gotten compromised because they didn't keep it updated because they had no idea what they were doing?
18:52<dwfreed>hint: it's a lot
18:52<dwfreed>imo, certain things not being "friendly" is a good thing
18:53<@scrane>Haha sadly, that's a biit outside my paygrade, but I'll mention it. And as far as when vat kicks in, I'm not 100% certain on that just yet. The best I can say at the moment is "soon"
18:53<tafa2>managing the boxes on my end is not a problem dwfreed
18:53<tafa2>but dd'ing is a pain
18:53<tafa2>that's all...
18:53<tafa2>yes I know you'll tell me it takes 5mins etc...
18:53<dwfreed>dd if=iso of=/dev/sda bs=4k
18:53<dwfreed>what's such a pain about that?
18:54<dwfreed>throw in a status=progress for fun and profit
18:54<tafa2>the configuration profiles
18:54<tafa2>Centos has LVM and mucking about with fstab was no fun
18:54<synfinatic>personally, i find dd offensive because it doesn't use -f or --flag
18:54<tafa2>and manually re-creating the swap
18:54<dwfreed>synfinatic: hah
18:55<dwfreed>tafa2: ...recreating the swap?
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20:11<dwfreed>FluffyFoxeh: I'm more questioning why he needs to do that in the first place
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20:16<Peng_>I like resizing it
20:16<Peng_>more swap, less swap, mkswap
20:17<FluffyFoxeh>yeah sometimes I make another swapfile if I'm doing something that will eat ram
20:18<millisa>devnull=best swap
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21:13<trippeh>https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/07/aws_writes_new_kvm_based_hypervisor_to_make_its_cloud_go_faster/
21:17<Peng_>not available in us-east-2 yet :(
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