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---Logopened Tue Nov 21 00:00:32 2017
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00:45<KorGou>I need help in finding my authentication code for my username..
00:45<KorGou>I remember my Username and Password very well... but in the next page, it asks me some Authentication Code
00:45<KorGou>where do I get it for it ?
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00:45<KorGou>I do not remember any such authentication code in the past from Linode
00:46<millisa>are you talking about a 2FA code?
00:46<KorGou>No, when I try Login to Linode Manger
00:46<KorGou>after entering Username and Password, it takes me to another page where it just asks me 'Enter Authentication Code"
00:46<MrPPS>Yes, that is your 2FA code
00:46<KorGou>ohh,, and what is it ?
00:46<MrPPS>You will need to enter the code from your 2FA device, or one of your scratch codes that you generated
00:47<MrPPS>Possibly you stored the codes in Google Authenticator, Authy, YubiKey, or some other TOTP-capable device/software/service
00:47<MrPPS>It will be a 6 digit code
00:47<KorGou>well, I do not remember any such 2FA device or scratch code in my Linode account
00:48<MrPPS>Does anyone else have access to your account?
00:48<MrPPS>It has to be set up by someone with access to the account - so either you, or someone else
00:49<KorGou>ok, in case we lost or do not have it?
00:49<KorGou>What is the next choice ?
00:49<KorGou>Ok, thanks for the link... I will try it now
00:49<KorGou>well, I will just send email to the support team and wait....
00:49<KorGou>right ?
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00:49<MrPPS>That's right yes
00:50<KorGou>Thanks a lot :)
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00:50<KorGou>have a nice day~
00:50<MrPPS>No problems! You too
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01:45<Eugene>Every night I'm a towel
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02:12<Zimsky>proof oftc literally kills you for no reason
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02:18<dwfreed>/kill Zimsky
02:18<Zimsky>freenode style
02:19<Peng_>Quick, k-line 2600:3c00::/30
02:19<Zimsky>more effective, peng
02:20<Peng_>2000::/4. If anyone uses 3000::/4 they deserve a chance
02:20<retro|blah>Yes, let's punish people for using IPv666
02:21<Zimsky>if you're not using appletalk, you're not living correctly
02:22<Peng_>3000:0000::/4 RESERVED
02:23<Zimsky>were you not aware it was reserved?
02:26<Peng_>I wasn't sure none of it had been assigned
02:27<buzzly>hmmm. now I want to use ipv6 with oftc
02:27<Zimsky>it's a trap
02:27<Zimsky>you'll be murdered by dwfreed beside a highway
02:29<buzzly>if he does I'll have it all on syslog
02:53<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Setup Apache server to get Original Client IP from Node Balanacer <>
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02:55<uma_shankar>i need your help
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02:59<Zimsky>we must go to alderaan
03:04<Zimsky>jhaas: the abstract has a circular dependency issue
03:05<Zimsky>this makes me uncomfortable
03:07<@jhaas>lol -
03:07*jhaas is very easily amused by RFCs
03:08<Ikaros>Hm. Heavy police presence and fire dept presence in my area right now. Apparently, from what I can see from here, police are searching for something with dogs, and there was an awful lot of smoke drifting from a nearby apartment complex. Wonder if someone set a fire on purpose.
03:10<Ikaros>There is also a utility pole that runs near that complex, that brings the lines that serve my complex. That crap better NOT be on fire. I'm not losing my damn uptime.
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03:12<Zimsky>go out and light flares on the road for them
03:12<Zimsky>they need to see!
03:14<Zimsky>jhaas: RFC5661 will have you giggling yourself silly
03:16<Zimsky>an expired draft, but microsoft's ircx was amusing,
03:17<nate>to be fair a lot of it got adopted though
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03:19<@jhaas>oh that nfs abstract is deliciously horrible
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03:30<uma_shankar>i need your help
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03:32<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
03:32<uma_shankar>how can i setup wordpress on linode server
03:33<millisa>Have you looked at any of the guides?
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03:42<uma_shankar>how can i setup wordpress on linode server
03:42<millisa>did you look at any of the guides that were linked?
03:47<uma_shankar>if i choose 40$ plan
03:48<uma_shankar>can u install wordpress for me
03:48<millisa>You can pay professional services to do it. You can get a quote for it on this page.
03:50<uma_shankar>i m ready to pay
03:50*dcraig tickles millisa around a bit with a large combtooth blenny
03:53<uma_shankar>how many ip's u gave me on this plan
03:53<linbot>Each Linode comes with 1 public IPv4 address and 1 public IPv6 address. Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1 per month, and require technical justification. A /64 or /56 of IPv6 can be routed to your Linode at no charge.
03:54<uma_shankar>u gave a backup server includes or not
03:58<uma_shankar>how much we gave you for install wordpress
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04:00<kuldeep_>i am facing this issue
04:00<kuldeep_>[root@matrixphpsrvr classifiedsportal]# !com composer self-update [Composer\Downloader\TransportException] The "" file could not be downloaded: SSL operation failed with code 1. OpenSSL Error messages: error:14090086:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed Failed to enable crypto failed to open stream: operation failed self-update [-r|--rollback] [--clean-backups] [--no-progress]
04:00<kuldeep_>in centos 6.5 with php 5.6
04:00<kuldeep_>please help me
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04:01<kuldeep_>anybody can help me to out from my problem?
04:02<kuldeep_>thanks uma please see error.
04:02<sjacobs>kuldeep_: update-ca-certificates? just a shot in the dark.
04:03<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Linode vs other cloud <>
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04:03<sjacobs>i don't know what distro you are running, so i couldn't say.
04:03<millisa>centos 6.5.
04:03<sjacobs>whoopsie. i see now.
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04:04<millisa>centos 6.6 was released 3 years ago, any particular reason you aren't updating?
04:04<kuldeep_>i want to run composer update
04:05<kuldeep_>and he is giving error
04:06<kuldeep_>and also need to install laravel package
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04:13<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Hello Everyone <> || General Discussion • Citibank Credit Card Login Account <>
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04:21<raj_gautam>is the cpanel is free or not
04:21<linbot>Install cPanel on CentOS: Linode does not sell cPanel licenses, but it's provided free to Linode Managed customers: Or try a free panel like Webmin: Or just use the command line:
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04:23<raj_gautam>is there any diffrance beetween normal custmor or linode managed custmor
04:23<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Single domain, 2 linodes <>
04:24<JamesTK>what in the butt
04:25<raj_gautam>can u please tell me the diffrance between normal/linode managed custmer
04:25<raj_gautam>and tell me pricing also
04:25<millisa>Have you been to There's a bit on the menu in the upper right about addons.
04:26<raj_gautam>is there any pricing diffrance
04:27<raj_gautam>can u please tell me price
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04:27<millisa>Nope. It's right there on the website.
04:29<raj_gautam>i can't see linode managed plan
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04:29<millisa>"03:25 millisa: Have you been to There's a bit on the menu in the upper right about addons."
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04:31<raj_gautam>u just tell me about addon price
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04:33<linbot>New news from forum: /dev/random • Cleaning up mailing list <>
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04:50<Berwin>Hi. I have signed up for account but I don't seem to have a username to log in, when I request forgotten username it's just listing my password in the email
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04:50<sjacobs>did you set your password as your username by accident?
04:51<Berwin>I think it's because I deviated from the page where I was supposed to fill in the form
04:51<Berwin>lemme check
04:53<Berwin>Yes that's what I did :) Now to change my username
04:53<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials • Bash script to automate the setup of a Ubuntu VPS <>
04:54<sjacobs>Account > Users and Permissions > then click Edit next to the username you want to change.
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05:03<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • High CPU usage for my Linode 8192 <>
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05:33<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • High CPU usage for my Linode 8192 <>
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06:24<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • High CPU usage for my Linode 8192 <>
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07:14<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • High CPU usage for my Linode 8192 <>
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07:54<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • High CPU usage for my Linode 8192 <>
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08:13<Nadeem_Jamali>Hi, Is there any discount offered on Standard Plans?
08:14<ponas>no, there are one-time coupons though
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08:53<potentialuse>Hi. Is there any restriction on using your service for websocket/stratum proxy for web mining?
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08:55<Zimsky>what's web mining
08:55<Zimsky>apart from violating the homes of spiders
08:55<potentialuse>using the website users cpu to mine cryptocurrency.
08:56<Zimsky>I don't think that's in violation of linode's tos
08:56<Zimsky>but I'd think you're a dick
08:56<Zimsky>and I'd not use your site if it were me
08:56<Zimsky>this is basically why I disable JS by default
08:59<potentialuse>don't be rude. I ask permission from user to start mining. Site is add free now and borrowing some cpu clocks to not including annoying ads is not a bad things. So don't judge before know the details.
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09:00<Zimsky>nah, it's still bad
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09:01<Zimsky>who in their right mind would opt in to that anyway
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09:01<potentialuse>User could just choose no.
09:01<Zimsky>"Hi, do you want to let this site use your CPU time to make us money?"
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09:02<Zimsky>hopefully ublock/adblock also disables web miners
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09:02<Zimsky>oh awesome, ublock origin does block most miners now
09:03<dzho>oh good
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09:04<potentialuse>No. ""Hi, do you want to let this site use your bandwidth, time and change your focus to some ads?"
09:04<Zimsky>why would someone want their focus to be on ads?
09:04<Zimsky>that's silly
09:04<potentialuse>well ublock will block ads either. so no difference here.
09:04<Zimsky>there's zero benefit to the user to opt in to that
09:07<potentialuse>I'm using this method on my website using authedmine, and have good result. Most of my website users are not asshole and knows that running a business needs money.
09:08<potentialuse>3 option. 1 ads, 2 mining, 3 shut down the good website that they use daily and has no equivalent in market.
09:08<Zimsky>your vision seems limited
09:09<Zimsky>dzho: ^
09:10<Zimsky>potentialuse: if you want to run a miner in my browser with my resources, I should be getting the currency
09:11<potentialuse>Those are first ADVERTISEMENTS BLOCKERS, not MINERS BLOCKERS.
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09:12<Zimsky>anyway, hosting a site is at your discretion - unless you're specifically providing a service or product people explicitly pay for, you shouldn't expect people to have to pay for stuff
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09:12<Zimsky>least not by clogging up their computer with a miner
09:13<Zimsky>god I hate javascript
09:13<potentialuse>Ok. you could stay with disabling JS or use Internet Explorer 6. Same result.
09:13<Zimsky>except for the part where it's not the same result
09:14<Zimsky>since IE6 violates web standards on its own to begin with, doesn't support html5 and renders differently to modern browsers
09:14<Zimsky>I selectively enable JS on some sites that actually require it and don't abuse it
09:15<Zimsky>same goes for cookies
09:16<Zimsky>IE6 also did actually support JS to my knowledge
09:17<Zimsky>I've never really used or cared about IE except a few times many many years ago
09:18<potentialuse>OMG, You didn't get the point. So forget about it.
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09:19<Zimsky>evidently not
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09:19<Zimsky>still a twat if you run a miner in JS though
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09:53<steve_>can anybody connfirm whether or not linode has ddos protection?
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10:25<DanielNM>Happy Linodin' today
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13:16<dasda> location ~ \.php$ {} add_header 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' *; outside this block not working
13:16<dasda>why? this only wotk when i open php files
13:17<dasda>i need add_header 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' *; for all files , but outside php block it is not reflecting in header response
13:18<dasda>debain Nginx , 4gb linode
13:18<dasda>any nginx guru here
13:19<Peng_>You put it in "location ~ \.php$ {}"
13:19<Peng_>Wait what
13:19<Peng_>Never mind
13:20<Peng_>dasda: What's your config? What other add_header directives do you have? Please pastebin it
13:22<dasda>when i put add header inside location ~ \.php$ {....} it works..
13:22<dasda>but when i target all files by specifying location / {} it is not working
13:23<Peng_>Only one "location" block applies to a request. (Though rewrites can change which one.)
13:24<dasda>yea.. so i need to specific it multiple times right
13:24<dasda>for php, for jpg, for html .. 3 times
13:36<Peng_>Potentially yes
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13:50<dasda>Hi i can see headers in terminal (curl -H "Origin:" --head but i can't see the same in browser console new config
13:50<dasda>did i missed anything?
13:57<dasda>any iDEA
14:11<dasda>please help
14:11<dasda>Hi i can see headers in terminal (curl -H "Origin:" --head but i can't see the same in browser console new config
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14:16<ponas>I think you're missing the fact that when visiting get_ip.php directly with a browser, Origin is not set, nor does the http method equal OPTIONS
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14:17<ponas>Origin is only set when doing an AJAX request or when adding it manually using curl
14:17<dasda>yea.. that is correct.. i am sooo dump to ask this. sorry guys
14:18<ponas>that's a somewhat messy config :-)
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14:18<dasda>any imp correction? plz
14:19<ponas>a lot of the fastcgi params can be set by doing: include /etc/nginx/fastcgi_params;
14:20<ponas>and then override those that differ from the default
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14:21<dasda>thanks a lot
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14:26<Moiur>i am looking for vps plans
14:26<ponas>they're very good looking aren't they
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14:27<ponas>Linode has several plans
14:27<ponas>the more you pay, the better they get
14:27<dasda>Rock solid platform .. using it for almost 3years ...
14:28<dasda>$20 4GB linode can handle several million pageviews .. depending on the type of application
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14:33<Moiur>let me check it
14:33<Moiur>if i choose Linode 2GB packege
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14:34<Moiur>then which language or technologies cani use for deploying application
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14:35<smallclone>Moiur: basically anything that runs on Linux
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14:39<Moiur>Ok, Thanks
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15:15<stefan_>have extras been removed? I can't find the link anymore in the dashboard
15:16<ponas>they've been removed
15:16<stefan_>dang, any timeline on volumes in London?
15:16<ponas>they have always been a bad deal anyway
15:16<ponas>I would guess early Q1 2018
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15:17<stefan_>k, thanks
15:17<Peng_>ponas: They weren't /always/ a bad deal
15:18<ponas>Peng_: I guess you're be right there, mister
15:19<ponas>Peng_: bad deal since 2012?
15:20<Peng_>I dunno. Maybe longer.
15:21<ponas>the only extra I pay for is an additional IPv4
15:21<ponas>which I may or may not have technical justification for at this point :V
15:22<Peng_>Don't let them realize!
15:22<ponas>but I'm being vague, I may have techical justification!
15:34<gparent>ill be your Windows XP on Internet Explorer 6 user if you want.
15:34<gparent>for only $1.00 USD per IP per month.
15:35<nate>I'd be surprised of XP was any form of technical justification at this point in time
15:36<nate>The cryptolibs for XP IE are virtually useless at this point
15:36<nate>so you're just providing a false sense of security by actually supporting https:// for it
15:36<nate>imo anyways
15:36<Peng_>gparent: do you offer a bulk discount
15:36<gparent>lmao nate, good point
15:37<gparent>Sure I'm willing to negotiate that price
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15:38<nate>whoop, didn't mean to do that lol
15:40<nate>gparent: Worst case I normally tell people on XP if they absolutely feel some silly need to stick to it, to at least use firefox/chrome/etc
15:42<gparent>yeah same, thanksfully I don't get to deal with it much
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16:35<nyancat>got a question, is it against the rules to have a second linode account?
16:35<relidy>nyancat: Can't imagine why, unless you're doing it to avoid some previous account action they took against you.
16:35<nyancat>Nah, it's just that I have three servers that are prepaid and i want to use something for personal use
16:36<nyancat>but i'd rather have the billing separate
16:37<smallclone>that's not against the rules
16:39<nyancat>Is it possible to avoid the initial pre-load of funds
16:40<nyancat>meh, I'll just preload $5
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19:41<liguest>Can the $5, 1 GB Linode VM run Docker?
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19:43<synfinatic>you still only get 1GB of ram, so within limits of course
19:47<MrPPS>but yes, it definitely can :) liguest I'm using it to run 5 different docker containers without issue
19:47<MrPPS>so it definitely works
19:52<Cromulent>hmm took me a little while to realise that the vim config file on windows was _vimrc and not .vimrc
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20:14<liguest>thanks synfinatic, MrPPS!
20:18<liguest>Apparently I have a "legacy pre-pay" account so I can't select Linode 1024. Will converting to hourly billing allow me to select a similar plan?
20:20<@rsyracuse>liguest: Yes, converting to hourly should let you select that exact plan
20:20<@rsyracuse>you can find more information on upgrading here as well
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20:27<zifnab>RIP in pieces fuschia
20:28<zifnab>you've served me well these last (8? 9?) years.
20:29<zifnab>i actually can't bring myself to click the button
20:29<zifnab>oh fuck
20:29<zifnab>nevermind, not killing this fucker yet
20:29<zifnab>found old minecraft maps
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21:32<Zimsky>import ssl
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21:32<Zimsky>100% SECURE WITH SSL ✓
21:34<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
21:34<Zimsky>Every day I'm forgettin to escape literals in strings
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21:35<Zimsky>hey Eugene what did the rogue TCP segment say to the priest?
21:35<Eugene>What product should I create for ?
21:35<Zimsky>"Forgive me father for I have SYNed"
21:36<Eugene>Alternately: what stupid shit would you pay for
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21:37<Zimsky>more ways to berate Woet
21:40<Zimsky>Eugene: start a vending machine company specifically catering to blimps
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21:40<Zimsky>and have the machines only vend duct tape
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21:40<Zimsky>maybe only accepting Reichsmarks
21:41<millisa>sadly, is already registered
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21:42<Zimsky>build an airship with a burger restaurant and call it the hindenburger
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21:52<zifnab>Eugene: recent-ish need: cheap rsync backups
21:52<Eugene> does that already
21:53<zifnab>barely less than s3
21:53<Eugene>I'm not going to under-cut anybody. That's a quick route to unprofitability
21:53<zifnab>assume i give zero shits about reliability
21:53<Eugene>I want to charge more, not less
21:53<Eugene>Ehhhh maybe.
21:53<zifnab>kinda breaks backups :P
21:54<Eugene>zifnab - appetizers at 1; dinner at 4. Keep in mind that the ferries will be crazyish
21:54<zifnab>Eugene: will do. do you have a crashable couch for tomorrow night?
21:55<zifnab>...and possibly an internet connection for friday morning :P
21:55<Eugene>We have the three-seater in the living room. It will need to be moved down the hallway to your room.
21:55<Eugene>Or I can rustle an airbed
21:55<zifnab>k, i'll see what i do tomorrow
21:55<zifnab>i can also just acquire an air mattress
21:55<zifnab>its a thing i should probably own
21:56<Eugene>Yeah, but what's your cat think
21:56<zifnab>i'm not bringing her with
21:56<zifnab>she pees in the car
21:56<Eugene>She's not welcome anyway. Puppy.
21:56<zifnab>i'll just fill the large bowl with food, she'll be fine
21:57<Eugene>And yeah, I'm working Friday too
21:57<zifnab>"retail", i am too
21:57<zifnab>i'm on call for shit if it really goes bad, but i'm not going to the office
21:57<Eugene>lol right, black friday
21:57<Eugene>That'll be hilarious
21:57<zifnab>worst case? "Something isn't working rihgt, try again in a few minutes"
21:58<zifnab> i care enough to pick up a new tv for grandparents
21:58<zifnab>or do i want to do this for christmas
21:59<AlexMax>the fact that three of the four most recent chatters have had nicknames exactly 6 letters long really weirds me out
21:59<AlexMax>things are lining up perfectly - too perfectly...
21:59<Eugene>I think my father-in-law has an extra big screen you could scam for cheap. Or are you just going to order it to their house?
21:59<zifnab>Eugene: order-to-house.
22:00<zifnab>looking at amazon it's about $600 for a cheap-ish vizio
22:00<zifnab>idk if htey need 55" though
22:00<zifnab>i may just go to costco when i get there
22:00<Eugene>Anything new you buy will come with a crazy remote and they'll never figure it out
22:01<zifnab>they have a universal thingy
22:01<zifnab>it will need a tuner
22:01<zifnab>that's a hard requirement
22:01<zifnab>grandpa bought a universal remote last time he got a new tv
22:01<zifnab>because it was confusing and had too many buttons
22:02<zifnab>hell, i might throw in one of the old people remotes for shits and giggles
22:02<zifnab>this would be funny
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22:05<Peng_>For TV Black Friday sales, the Wirecutter has ($1000) and (Walmart, Vizio, $500) so far.
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22:05<Peng_>(Fuck Walmart.)
22:06<zifnab>tbh i'll probably do amazon
22:06<zifnab>so i can pay it off in 2 y ears
22:06<zifnab>something about "abusing promotional financing"
22:07<Peng_>Frigging America. Christmas and Cyber Monday and Black Friday
22:07<Peng_>IT'S TUESDAY!
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22:28<nate>Peng: Who cares, just got myself a new keyboard and mouse for like 70% off so I'll take early sales
22:29<Peng_>What keyboard?
22:30<Peng_>I need a new keyboard
22:30<Zimsky>every day is a sale in china if you know where to find the right warehouse in shenzhen
22:36<nate>Peng: Logitech G910. I utterly hate mechanicals but virtually nobody makes decent chiclet membranes anymore in the style I like, and the G910 seemed like the more quiet-capable keys I was gonna find so :(
22:36<nate>that and it does have a nifty dock thing where you can basically turn your cell into a pseudo game/system info screen lol
22:44<@jhaas>"I utterly hate mechanicals" - first time i've heard that
22:53<Peng_>Clearly a paid shill of a low cost mushy membrane keyboard company
22:54<Peng_>Real sysadmins use a custom modified 19th century typewriter...
23:02<Zimsky>I have a typewriter
23:03<Zimsky>I can't remember where I stored it, but it's from the 1920s I think
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23:03<Zimsky>also mechanical keyboards suck
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23:03<Cromulent>I like my keyboard but it is a tad loud
23:04<Zimsky>you need to move your fingers around too much
23:05<Zimsky>flat keyboards you can glide around on
23:05<Cromulent>ugh I can't type on the Apple keyboards and that is pretty flat
23:06<Peng_>My expensive keyboard broke. :< Dunno what to replace it with.
23:06<Zimsky>maybe you have too many pastries
23:06<Cromulent>although that could also be partly because they switch the @ and " keys
23:06<Zimsky>Peng_: financial sanity
23:07<Zimsky>they switch the @ and " keys?
23:07<Zimsky>which layout is that
23:12<nate>jhass: The sound of them simply bother me, I don't care to type on something and feel like I'm typing on a typewriter
23:12<nate>and 'quality' is otherwise pointless to me because it's not like membrane keyboards are realistically any less quality
23:13<nate>keyboards always die out in the wire for me anyways, never had a keyboard fail at the actual keys lol
23:13<Cromulent>I forget which colour switch it is but some of them are quite quiet - if you've only used Cherry MX Blue switches I can understand why you think they are loud
23:14<nate>Cromulent: There isn't a single mechanical key type I've heard yet that is as quiet as a silicon membrane keyboard :P
23:14<millisa>browns don't have an actuation click
23:14<nate>These logitech ones come close so long as you aren't hammering on the keys, but past that, meh
23:14<millisa>the newer 'clear' switches don't have an actuation click either.
23:14<nate>the last decent membrane one I had was a razer but they phased them all out
23:16<nate>this frayed right at the connector into the keyboard though, somewhere inside, I can angle it certain directions for it to still work, but it basically 'reboots' of a sort every once in a while
23:16<nate>might try to fix it myself, but figured I'll just buy a new one to have handy in case I can't
23:16<Zimsky>nate: you need to write more xml
23:17<Zimsky>at some point your keyboard will have eroded away
23:18<Zimsky>on a C64, at least the model I've got, the caps lock key is actually a toggle button that stays down when on
23:18<Zimsky>it's also called "shift lock"
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23:23<nate>Considering I do a lot of XML-oriented stuff, I'm admittedly not sure why that would differ from any other markup language I do either :P
23:24<nate>I mean if I'm gonna be working on large XML data sets, I'm gonna automate that shit to some extent, lol, not like I'm gonna hand type it all
23:29<Zimsky>so abstract your xml to xml
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