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00:12<zifnab>anyone want to see my "holy hell what the fuck" MTR of the day
00:12<@jhaas>plz
00:13<zifnab>https://vomitb.in/fqKcbzaRwS
00:13<zifnab>if those locations are correct, that's dallas -> kansas city -> orlando -> cleveland -> toronto -> montreal -> liverpool -> amsterdam -> france -> munich -> nuremburg
00:13<zifnab>i need a map to actually draw this out
00:14<Peng_>That's not Orlando
00:14<zifnab>(it's not just linode, trying to debug a mirror problem from US->DE)
00:14<Peng_>ORD is Chicago
00:14<zifnab>ord?
00:14<zifnab>oh
00:14<Peng_>Orlando is MCO or ORL :D
00:15<Zimsky>eugh france
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00:16<zifnab>i was going to make a google map of this
00:16<zifnab>it tells me i can't drive across the atlantic
00:16<Zimsky>not with that attitude
00:16<@jhaas>#mspaint
00:16<zifnab>i don't know where all these places are
00:16<zifnab>not kidding
00:16<zifnab>also, does cogent seriously not have a DFW->NYC link
00:17<Peng_>Haha
00:17<zifnab>i know they have NYC->UK
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00:17<Zimsky>zifnab: what places
00:18<zifnab>linode in DFW->hetzner in (i think nuremburg?)
00:18<zifnab>isn't just linode though :P it's everyone in texas
00:18<Ikaros>Erm
00:18<zifnab>i just happen to have had a linode there to test it
00:18<Peng_>Here's a Cogent route: Atlanta - Chicago - Kansas City - Denver - Salt Lake City - Seattle - Portland
00:19<zifnab>:(
00:19<zifnab>k, i understand why they're cheap as hell now
00:19<zifnab>!zayo
00:19<linbot>19:07:23 <HoopyCat> zaaaaaaaaaayo, zaaa-aa-aaa-aaaa-yoooooo, latency come and me wan' go home
00:19<zifnab>not that bad at least
00:19<Ikaros>I'm gonna look at a route to Hetzner. Because now I'm curious
00:20<zifnab>mirrorhub.io works well
00:20<zifnab>or avocado.lineagoes.org
00:20<zifnab>(or, soon to be toast.lineageos.org, toast is a fruit, right?)
00:21<@jhaas>if pizza can be a vegetable toast can be a fruit
00:21<zifnab>that sentence was thrown out of context
00:21<Ikaros>zifnab I think you might be right on the DFW->Hetzner route, seems to go through there, then to Falkenstein
00:21<Zimsky>https://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Rechenzentren_und_Anbindung
00:21<Zimsky>most of hetzner's stuff is in Falkenstein
00:21<zifnab>pizza is considered a vegetable because it contains tomatos
00:22<Ikaros>Yeah I know, we have two servers linked to my IRC network hosted there.
00:22<zifnab>so one serving of vegetable
00:22<Ikaros>And, the most stable of the bunch, too
00:22<Ikaros>:p
00:22<Zimsky>Ikaros: you talk about your irc network a lot
00:22<@jhaas>does bread not contain bread fruit?
00:22<@jhaas>:3
00:22<zifnab>its wheat, which is arguably a plant, therefore fruit
00:22<Zimsky>Ikaros: yet you refuse to tell anyone how to reach it
00:22<Zimsky>this is most confusing
00:22<Ikaros>Zimsky I speak as if I own it, bu it's mainly because it's hard for me to really express the proper relation I have to them
00:22<zifnab>Ikaros: hetzner is the shit for dedicated stuff. i picked up a new main mirror for lineage (that isn't ovh) for like $50
00:22<Ikaros>'cause it ends up being so many words
00:22<zifnab>all i needed were a few big disks
00:23<zifnab>"Here's 4tb, thanks"
00:23<Zimsky>steal a datacenter
00:23<Ikaros>And the reason I don't directly mention it...because I'm not one for attracting any trouble lurking in here.
00:23<Ikaros>e.g unwanted attention
00:23<zifnab>you wouldn't download a datacenter
00:23<Zimsky>I would.
00:23<Zimsky>I got locked in a datacenter once
00:24<Ikaros>Though the OVH fiasco the other week really did a number on the network too 'cause it pretty much took out our whole EU side of things :(
00:24<Ikaros>We had to push EU links to the US hubs
00:24<Zimsky>I'm pretty sure it was accidental, but I'd left my access card on the other side of the door
00:24<Zimsky>and someone had closed the door while I was still in the room
00:24<zifnab>Ikaros: our OVH box in montreal was seeing a 3-5s ping to it's next hop. we were told there were no network issues in montreal, and to get fucked
00:25<zifnab>so i moved most of it to hetzner
00:25<Ikaros>Surprisingly, the most stable servers on the network have been the ones with Hetzner and OVH/its spinoffs.
00:26<Zimsky>zifnab: you know where's a south african hetzner
00:26<Ikaros>Not to say the one I have here with Linode, that's linked there, isn't stable...but still
00:26<Zimsky>s/\bw/t/
00:26<zifnab>Zimsky: seriously?
00:26<Zimsky>https://hetzner.co.za/
00:26<Zimsky>ay boyke
00:26<zifnab>seriously, that's cool
00:26<Ikaros>I think really it just has its moments where SOMETHING on it breaks and I have to use LiSH to try and fix it.
00:26<Zimsky>they're unrelated to german hetzner
00:27<Peng_>http://ewn.co.za/2017/11/02/hetzner-customers-urged-to-changed-passwords-after-hack
00:27<Zimsky>lol
00:27<Peng_>I think they're kind of related to the German Hetzner?
00:27<zifnab>i had a north african mirror for a short amount of time
00:27<zifnab>the only continent we were lacking was antartica
00:28<Peng_>Wikipedia says: It should not be confused with its South African namesake and partner company, Hetzner (Pty) Ltd — the two are separate companies registered and incorporated in their own rights under the applicable country laws. They do not have the same shareholders.
00:28<zifnab>mcmurdo turned me down, said they update their mirror from a hard drive twice a year and couldn't justify the space
00:28<zifnab>fun conversation with their mirror admin though, nice guy
00:28<Zimsky>did you only try mcmurdo?
00:28<zifnab>yeah, only one i knew of that spoke english
00:29<Zimsky>casey speak english
00:29<zifnab>well we lost africa and south america
00:29<zifnab>i no longer care
00:29<zifnab>one kept redirecting https to http, the other kept having files that failed checksums
00:30<Zimsky>BAS stations also speak english
00:32<Peng_>If you find an infinite money cheat code for life, use AWS Sao Paulo. :P
00:33<Ikaros>Anyway
00:33<Zimsky>if I have infinite money, I'd just launch a distributed datacenter in geosync orbit
00:34<zifnab>Peng_: hilariously enough, people always offer us aws/azure/gcloud things (or, hell, google drive for that matter...)
00:34<zifnab>i have to tell them, most mirrors use somewhere around 10TB/mo
00:34<zifnab>and that's 1k/mo in traffic, possibly more
00:35<Zimsky>zifnab: host mirrors on rpis behind coffee shop plantpots
00:35<Peng_>Sao Paulo is $0.25/GB :D
00:35<zifnab>oO
00:36<zifnab>sorry i'm used to 9c/gb
00:36<Ikaros>Zimsky I do apologize for not actually naming the network itself, but honestly I feel I have good cause to not name it in public, especially in large(r) channels like this, because we've dealt with unwanted attention before.
00:36<Zimsky>is it anthrochat?
00:36<Zimsky>I bet you run anthrochat
00:36<Peng_>I bet it's Freenode
00:37<Ikaros>I don't "run" any network. I speak like I do because it really just operates like I'm doing most of the work.
00:37<Zimsky>Peng_: we don't use offensive words like that around here
00:37<Ikaros>(that and it's kinda hard to express otherwise)
00:37<Zimsky>Peng_: that's off-topic
00:37<zifnab>fuck i jsut want reddit to go back to normal
00:37<Zimsky>please move it to ##################shiggles
00:37<zifnab>i seriously give zero shits about this net neutrality bullshit
00:38<zifnab>Zimsky: sure, lets move it over there
00:38<Ikaros>But it serves as good experience for me, as I've been dabbling in IRC and server software for years, as well as opering a network here and there from time to time.
00:38<Ikaros>So yeah I do like to talk about it at times
00:38<Zimsky>zifnab: I'm pretty sure I've asked the question before, but does it have much of an effect outside america?
00:39<zifnab>Zimsky: it does not. it barely has any effect inside america.
00:39<Ikaros>It's not a massive network at least, so my work's easy :p
00:39<Zimsky>Ikaros: irrespective of everything else; thank you for not just moving everything to freenode, and actually running/whatever an independent network
00:39<zifnab>the idea is network operators shouldn't be able to ban/deprioritize traffic to sites
00:39<zifnab>really, you get into some murky dmca waters if you do anyways
00:39<zifnab>the argument against it before, at least at hte ISP i worked at, was we'd lose safe harbor if we were to do that
00:40<zifnab>throws you into secondary liability territory
00:41<Zimsky>I have the feeling a lot of people don't really know what it's about, and are just jumping on the bandwagon
00:41<zifnab>ding ding ding
00:41<FluffyFoxeh>I know it's something the ISPs really really want to get rid of, that alone is enough for me to think it's a good thing
00:41<Zimsky>it has no bearing on me, and I have no influence over it, so I don't really care personally
00:42<zifnab>FluffyFoxeh: i wouldn't be suprised if they just wanted to get rid of section 970 applying to them
00:42<zifnab>gives the fcc the legal authority to set prices
00:42<Zimsky>it sounds like an alright concept
00:42<Zimsky>zifnab: what does dmca have to do with it
00:42<zifnab>Zimsky: i'm trying to find the exact text of the thing i'm talking about, give me af ew
00:43<Zimsky>DMCA also doesn't really affect me so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
00:44<zifnab>https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/512
00:46<zifnab>see (c)(1)(a)
00:46<grawity>don't worry they're trying to get rid of 'safe harbor' anyway
00:47<Zimsky>zifnab: that's fun
00:47<zifnab>yeah, comcast wants deep packet inspection and ad injection
00:47<zifnab>the tl;dr here is "service provider will not be held liable for infringing traffic if they do not know what the traffic is"
00:47<Zimsky>all the more reason to TLS all the things
00:47<zifnab>the argument we heard always was "don't look at traffic because a) privacy policy, and b) possible dmca violations"
00:48<zifnab>what's even more amusing here
00:48<zifnab>comcast injects notices if you're late into any http site
00:48<zifnab>they just dump a javascript thing in
00:49<Zimsky>inb4 some ISP injects JS bitcoin miners
00:49<Ikaros>You know, next thing you'll see from them is an attempt to say you can't use TLS
00:49<Ikaros>:/
00:50<Zimsky>that's when you reply with ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
00:50<zifnab>its ok, congress will make encryption illegal before too long
00:50<Zimsky>and use TLS anyway
00:50<zifnab>so fun thing that exists
00:50<zifnab>hamwan
00:50<Ikaros>No, that's when I'll reply with a middle finger and "kiss my ass"
00:50<Ikaros>>.>
00:50<zifnab>https://hamwan.org/
00:50<Zimsky>but that's effort
00:50<zifnab>literally "internet over ham radio"
00:50<zifnab>problem: you are legally not allowed to encrypt things over ham radio
00:50<Zimsky>zifnab: again, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
00:51<zifnab>solution! ...decrypt it on ingress, re-sign it with a public CA you force the client sto trust
00:51<zifnab>(they're not actually doing that)
00:51<Ikaros><zifnab> its ok, congress will make encryption illegal before too long <- And they'll have to take the full force of the blame when the lack of encryption screws EVERYONE over. Including them. Because security is lol to them apparently.
00:52<Zimsky>you're aware that making encryption illegal just won't work
00:52<Ikaros>Naturally.
00:52<Zimsky>not being in the united states is nice
00:53<zifnab>Ikaros: PCI becomes illegal. credit card processing stops. economy grinds to a halt.
00:54<Zimsky>zifnab: "encryption is how the terrorists are beating us" "encryption is how the paedophiles steal your children"
00:54<Zimsky>spew some more of that and people will follow
00:55<Zimsky>it's the American Way™
00:55<zifnab>Zimsky: think of the children. if you encrypt your children and lose the key, they're gone for good.
00:55<Zimsky>apparently also the australian way; http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-laws-of-australia-will-trump-the-laws-of-mathematics-turnbull/
00:56<Zimsky>slightly-crypto-aware parent bloggers - "Why 256 Bits Isn't Enough To Keep Your Child Safe"
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01:01<MrPPS>yep, one state of of australia is working on pushing through a law at the moment to force you to decrypt
01:01<MrPPS>and if you don't, instajail
01:01<Zimsky>just donate to the liberal party
01:02<Zimsky>instant immunity
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01:03<Ikaros>MrPPS: Then you might as well jail your entire state.
01:03<Ikaros>That's what I'd say to them
01:03<Ikaros>Because I'm not intimidated by that threat whatsoever
01:03<MrPPS>also, the bill for it waives your right to not self-incriminate
01:03<MrPPS>so there's that too
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01:07<Zimsky>prepare for the worst and move to new zealand ahead of time
01:07<buzzly>Zimsky: are you south african? your "boyke" comment made me think so
01:08<Zimsky>the trans tasman agreement gives a lot of rights to AU and NZ citizens in each country
01:08<Zimsky>also no visas needed
01:08<zifnab>i do have to say, liberals here are rather moderate
01:08<zifnab>and this is seattle, where liberals are rather insane
01:09<Zimsky>liberal doesn't mean in australia what you think it means
01:09<Zimsky>buzzly: nooit
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01:10<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • DMCA Infringement <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15504&p=75198#p75198>
01:10<buzzly>Zimsky: lekker man
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01:14<Zimsky>zifnab: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_of_Australia
01:14<Zimsky>"The party's ideology has been referred to as conservative, liberal-conservative, and conservative-liberal."
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01:16<zifnab>yeah, that's strange
01:16<zifnab>seattle liberals are too liberal for me. i thought i was liberal. then i found out there's a socialist/communist/anarchist on the city council.
01:17<zifnab>"leave the homeless alone, it's not their fault their on the street, its ours as a society for failing" "but they're doing heroin on my doorstep" "not their fault, its addiction"
01:18<Zimsky>tbf, drug addiction is a complicated area
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01:18<liz>can you tell me if support is 24 hours?
01:18<Zimsky>I can
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01:19<Zimsky>liz: https://www.linode.com/contact
01:19<Zimsky>"Available all day, every day."
01:20<liz>say if something happens to cpanel is there any staff member to help?
01:21<Zimsky>are you using linode's managed service?
01:21<liz>I want to move from my provider because some files were exploited and it has now been 2 days and they are still not able to resolve it
01:21<liz>the problem is they are based in UK and I am based in Hong kong
01:21<liz>they are only able to help at my night time because of the time difference
01:21<Zimsky>if you're only provisioning linodes, they're your responsibility to make sure the software runs as intended
01:22<liz>you mean I have to pay more for managed service?
01:22<Zimsky>yes
01:22<liz>so if I have not got that they will not be able to help?
01:22<Zimsky>https://www.linode.com/managed
01:22<Zimsky>idk, you could try sending a ticket
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01:23<Zimsky>but they're not going to log into your server to fix your software issues
01:23<liz>how much is that?
01:23<Zimsky>all the info you're asking is on their site
01:23<liz>I have to sign up for that?
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01:24<limeonline>hello my linode has gone down
01:24<limeonline>all my sites are offline
01:25<liz>oh no
01:25<limeonline>i have tried rebooting
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01:25<limeonline>but my credentials are not responding
01:25<limeonline>my name is mark chambers
01:25<liz>it keeps asking me to signup even though I only want to know the price
01:26<limeonline>the linode is called limeonline and its on the london dorsal
01:26<Cromulent>liz: $100 per month per linode for managed
01:27<limeonline>linode please restart my linode off urgent
01:27<Zimsky>limeonline: you're aware this is a community channel
01:27<limeonline>noope
01:27<Zimsky>and probably shouldn't post that info here
01:27<limeonline>advice
01:27<millisa>you could log into the manager and restart the linode yourself
01:27<Zimsky>also, just send a support ticket in
01:27<Zimsky>if you think it's a hardware issue
01:27<limeonline>yep
01:27<Zimsky>otherwise try lish
01:28<limeonline>link to the support desk?
01:29<Cromulent>support@linode.com
01:29<Cromulent>or use the manager
01:29<Zimsky>https://manager.linode.com/
01:29<Zimsky>you should already know that exists
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01:32<liz>are all the plans cloud based?
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01:34<Zimsky>as opposed to what?
01:35<liz>I mean the hosting are they all cloud based?
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01:36<FluffyFoxeh>what does that mean?
01:36<Cromulent>they are virtual machines hosted in a datacentre that you pay by the hour for - does that make them cloud?
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01:37<dcraig>yes!
01:38<Zimsky>the datacenters are actually in airships on top of clouds
01:41<FluffyFoxeh>that's super cool
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01:46<Zimsky>usually about -50±10C
01:46<Zimsky>so pretty chilly
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02:00<Eugene>Every night I'm a zifnab
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02:04<@jhaas>Every night I'm a fizban
02:04<Zimsky>that's racist
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02:13<Ikaros>I have no comment.
02:15<@jhaas>I know the name from the Death Gate Cycle (and Dragonlance which I haven't read) but not sure if that's the intended reference.
02:34<zifnab>Eugene you're a towel
02:34<zifnab>jhaas: it has been since I was 12.
02:34<@jhaas><3
02:34<zifnab>I'm too lazy to pick a other nick
02:34<zifnab>I just recently bought the books
02:34<zifnab>Again
02:47<Woet>at least you can read unlike Zimsky
02:48<Zimsky>that doesn't even make sense
02:49<Woet>because you can't read
02:49<Woet>it'd make sense if you could
02:54<Eugene>I know you are but what am I
02:56<Woet>linodin' at day
02:56<Woet>towelin'
02:56<Woet>at night
03:01<Zimsky>slowly feeding Woet his soup in the evenings
03:01<Woet>i dont even like soup
03:02*jhaas puzzles at how one manages to not like soup
03:03<Woet>i dont mind pea soup
03:03<Woet>or chicken / mushroom
03:06<buzzly>"I know you are but what am I" haven't heard that in 2 decades probably. :')
03:06<Zimsky>jhaas: that's only one of many reasons to not like Woet
03:07<Zimsky>buzzly: yer ma cannae get soup
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03:21*dcraig replaces the thermal paste on Zimsky
03:22<dcraig>(per forum suggestion)
03:22<Zimsky>I use immersion cooling
03:22<Eugene>Is that when you put ice cubes in your cloud
03:22<Zimsky>yeah
03:23<Eugene>It tickles
03:24<buzzly>and can lead to cloud condensation
03:24<buzzly>be careful
03:31<Zimsky>Fenjamin Branklin
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03:35<Zimsky>https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Samuel_Johnson_by_Joshua_Reynolds_2.png
03:46<Woet>is that a selfie Zimsky? showing off your illiteracy?
03:49*dcraig tickles woet around a bit with a large mustache triggerfish
03:50<Woet>triggered
03:50<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Post_Max_Size PHP 7.0 <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15503&p=75200#p75200>
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03:58<abd>hi
03:58<abd>is there someone here
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03:58<abd>hello
03:58<abd>is there someone here
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04:00<Woet>bonjour
04:00<Woet>is there someone here
04:00<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Website accessible via IP adress <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15454&p=75153#p75153>
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04:18<devbks>hi there
04:18<buzzly>pong
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04:26<Zimsky>Woet: on a scale of 1 to american schools, how triggered are you?
04:30<buzzly>lmao
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05:55<Woet>Zimsky: las vegas concert
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06:21<Woet>Zimsky is more distracting
06:22<Zimsky>it has been said that I am a suitable source of entropy
06:22<Zimsky>and I'm non-blocking!
06:22<Zimsky>much unlike woet's facebook friends
06:22<Woet>wow
06:22<@jhaas>https://nerdist.com/wall-of-lava-lamps-protect-internet-traffic/
06:23<Woet>jhaas: Zimsky is being rude, can you +b?
06:23<@jhaas>Zimskyb
06:23<Zimsky>ayy
06:23<Zimsky>chairman lmao
06:23<Woet>pls
06:24<@bmartin>zmsky wt pls
06:25<Woet>bmartin: /mode #linode +b Zimsky!*@*
06:25<Woet>does this work for you
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06:27<Zimsky>Woet: you can shut me out all you want
06:27<Zimsky>I'll never stop caring for you.
06:27<Woet>Zimsky: i'd rather shut you off
06:27<help>Nginx wont start after boot. what will be the reason?
06:28<MrPPS>help: what does the error message say?
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06:28<Zimsky>I have no idea
06:28<Zimsky>you are the only one who can answer that question
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06:28<Guest1051>where to look for startup error?
06:29<Guest1051>no apache installed
06:29<MrPPS>No, that'd be nginx instead
06:29<MrPPS>check /var/log/nginx*
06:29<MrPPS>or systemctl etc.
06:29<MrPPS>Standard places you'd look for logs :)
06:30<Woet>you might be overestimating their sysadmin skills
06:30<Woet>for some reason everyone is switching from shared hosting to unmanaged vpses without sysadmin knowledge
06:30<Zimsky>if it's not starting after boot, and assuming you've actually configured nginx to begin with, it could be either a config issue, or it's trying to bind to an address that hasn't been added yet
06:31<Zimsky>e.g. if you ip addr added an ipv6 address and forgot to persist that and configured nginx to bind to it
06:31<Zimsky>nginx will shit itself
06:31<Woet>you think a guy who doesnt know where to find logs has been manually adding ipv6 addresses?
06:31<Zimsky>and then it woe't work
06:31<Woet>bold move
06:31<Woet>assumption too
06:31<grawity>Woet: hey if people do it for znc
06:32<Zimsky>Woet: people do weird shit
06:32<Zimsky>just ask yourself
06:32<Woet>Zimsky: i could just ask your parents
06:32<Zimsky>they're dead
06:32<Guest1051>webmin is my super hero .. but it fails sometimes lol
06:32<Zimsky>also I never knew them
06:32<Woet>not sure if serious or not so i'll just stop in case you are
06:32<Zimsky>think what you want to think
06:33<Woet>i have
06:33<Zimsky>Guest1051: you know how to remotely access a linux server, right?
06:33<Guest1051>when i start manually it will start without any issue, all config , IPv4 and 6 configured ..
06:33<MrPPS>Guest1051: is it set to auto start?
06:33<Guest1051>yes, using terminal
06:33<Zimsky>okay
06:33<Guest1051>yes
06:34<MrPPS>Does it *try* to start and fail, or simply not try?
06:34<Zimsky>take a look at /var/log/nginx/error.log, assuming it exists, and see what that says
06:34<MrPPS>(on boot)
06:34<Zimsky>and please /don't/ copy and paste it here
06:34<Guest1051>not fail.. simply not start ,,, not even trying
06:34<Guest1051>at boot
06:34<Zimsky>Woet: there's your open goal
06:35<MrPPS>Guest1051: and you've checked that it's *actually* set to automatically start?
06:35<Guest1051>yes.. via webmin .. it shows start at boot
06:35<Zimsky>forget webmin
06:35<Guest1051>don't know how to check it via terminal
06:35<Zimsky>you need to look at this in a terminal and see what's really going on
06:35<Guest1051>:)
06:36<Zimsky><Zimsky> take a look at /var/log/nginx/error.log
06:36<MrPPS>It is a miracle when webmin works without causing issues
06:36<MrPPS>:)
06:36<Zimsky>I hate all web admin things
06:38<Zimsky>people fall into false senses of how things work and it leads to confusion
06:39<someone9912345>clear
06:40<someone9912345>\help
06:40<Zimsky>are you trying to use a defibrillator
06:40<@bmartin>LIVE!!!
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06:42<Zimsky>not the bees
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06:45<Guest1051>got error log bind() to [...]:443 failed (99: Cannot assign requested address)
06:45<Guest1051>filed to bind
06:45<grawity>what's between the [ ]'s?
06:45<Guest1051>ipv6
06:45<grawity>is it your IP address
06:45<grawity>and is it listed in `ip -6 addr`
06:45<Guest1051>no.. bind() to [...]:443 failed (99: Cannot assign requested address)
06:45<Guest1051> bind() to [2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feb4:d7f7]:443 failed (99: Cannot assign requested address)
06:46<grawity>I mean, is it your server's
06:46<Guest1051>yes
06:46<grawity>do you see it listed in `ip -6 addr`
06:47<Guest1051>yes.. i saw the same in remote address in linode dashboard
06:47<grawity>what does the full line say?
06:47<grawity>the one starting with "inet6 ..."
06:47<grawity>or, well
06:48<Zimsky>called it
06:48<grawity>I guess it's currently fine but nginx just tries to start too early
06:48<grawity>before the server has picked up RAs
06:48<Guest1051>yes
06:48<Guest1051>how to avoid that
06:48<Zimsky>static configuration
06:48<grawity>what Linux distro are you using?
06:48<Guest1051>debain
06:49<Guest1051>8
06:49<Zimsky>strotch or jussy
06:49<Guest1051>jussy
06:49<grawity>well I've no idea about debian 8
06:50<grawity>it's that half-sysv, half-systemd frankenstein
06:50<Zimsky>you mean frankenstein's monster
06:50<Zimsky>frankenstein was the doctor
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06:50<Zimsky>Guest1051: https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/linux-static-ip-configuration
06:50<Zimsky>linode has a handy dandy doc on this
06:51<Zimsky>have a geez
06:51<grawity>really, given what he's managed to create, maybe the doctor was the monster all along
06:51<Guest1051>yes.. i will check that... i got some way... to digg.. thanks
06:51<grawity>I kinda remember that Debian's standard networking stuff *should* wait for RA
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06:52<grawity>at least the way linode's nethelper autoconfigures it oughtn't be wrong
06:52<Zimsky>oughtn't't've?
06:54<Zimsky>I'dn't've thought it'd've done such a thing
06:54<Zimsky>god I hate english
06:55*grawity disemvowels Zimsky
06:55<Zimsky>nice one
06:55<Zimsky>remember to eviscerate first
06:55<Zimsky>otherwise you could be in for a really crappy time
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07:40<Guest1051>static network config debain , saying invalid net mask
07:40<Guest1051>how can i find the correct net mask?
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07:42<@bmartin>Hey there one second let me see what I can find for you
07:43<Woet>bmartin: , , .
07:43<Woet>bmartin: free punctuation, you're welcome
07:43<@bmartin>awww thanks. Is that a black friday special?
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07:43<Woet>bmartin: no, it's because you're special :3
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07:50<@bmartin>hey Guest1051 255.255.255.0 would be the net mask you're looking for. You can see it in the remote access tab of the Linode manager
07:51<@bmartin>Guest1051` https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/linux-static-ip-configuration#configure-static-addressing this may be helpful for you as well
07:52<Guest1051>even after setting static configuration Nginx still throw Cannot assign requested address
07:52<@bmartin>and you changed to the correct mask
07:52<@bmartin>?
07:52<Zimsky>nobody cared who I was until I put on the mask
07:52<Guest1051>on start, but i can manually start it without any error
07:52<Guest1051>yes
07:53<@jackley>!point Zimsky
07:53<linbot>jackley: Point given to zimsky. (9) (Biggest fan: woet, total: 11)
07:53<Woet>lies and slander
07:53<Zimsky>I still love that it says that
07:53<Woet>!unpoint Zimsky
07:53<linbot>Woet: Point taken from zimsky! (8)
07:53<Woet>i bet it'll still say 11
07:53<Woet>buggy bot
07:53<Zimsky>!point Woet
07:53<linbot>Zimsky: Point given to woet. (4)
07:53<Zimsky>because I'm nice.
07:53<Woet>why do I only have 4
07:53<@jhaas>I wonder if it could somehow be a user problem? You do you have to be root to bind to sub-1000 ports
07:53<Woet>i literally help everyone
07:53<Woet>sub-1024
07:53<Woet>get it right at least jhaas
07:54<Zimsky>wow Woet don't be so rude
07:54<Woet>see? i'm helping someone expand their knowledge, still no point
07:54<Zimsky>why don't you go and expand something else
07:54<Woet>my girlfriend has no complaints
07:54<Zimsky>like your biochemical knowledge
07:54<Woet>oh
07:54<Woet>no complaints about that either
07:54<Woet>i think
07:54<Guest1051>i solved it.... by adding listen [::]:443 ssl; to nginx site avalible vonfing
07:54<Zimsky>what's the first assay you can think of
07:55<Guest1051>config
07:55<@jhaas>i'll admit to having been lazy and typed 1000 rather than 1024
07:55<Guest1051>working fine noww
07:55<@jhaas>!unpoint jhaas
07:55<linbot>jhaas: Point taken from jhaas! (-9)
07:55<Woet>ouch
07:55<Woet>Zimsky: []
07:55<@jackley>wow -9!
07:55*jhaas is winning at golf
07:55<@jackley>!point jhaas
07:55<linbot>jackley: Point given to jhaas. (-8) (Biggest fan: bmartin, total: 6)
07:55<@jhaas>:(
07:55<Woet>Zimsky: for me it takes longer to type 1000 instead of 1024
07:55<@bmartin>Jhaas I'm your biggest fan
07:55<@bmartin>this is accurate
07:55<Woet>i use four fingers to type 1024, only two for 1000
07:56<@bmartin>Guest1051 Bravo!
07:56<Woet>whoops
07:56<Zimsky>I actually agree
07:56<Zimsky>it's faster to type 1024
07:56<Woet>jhaas: [20:55:42] <Woet> Zimsky: for me it takes longer to type 1000 instead of 1024
07:56<Woet>i bet jhaas types with one finger
07:56<Woet>https://i.warosu.org/data/g/img/0464/69/1423383654936.jpg
07:56<Woet>real life picture of jhaas
07:56<@jhaas>laziness ~ effort, laziness !~ time_taken
07:56<Guest1051>Yea.. i feel proud .. thatkyouuu for the support
07:56<Guest1051>:)
07:57<@bmartin>Anytime Guest1051 Happy to help
07:57<@jhaas>Woet: horrible lies, that picture has someone using 2 fingers
07:57<@jhaas>get it right
07:57<@jackley>!point bmartin
07:57<linbot>jackley: Point given to bmartin. (5)
07:57<@bmartin>Jhaas is certainly not that old
07:57<@bmartin>though he may type that way
07:57<Zimsky>jhaas: don't use more fingers than you're comfortable with.
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07:57<Zimsky>and be sure to trim your nails
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08:01<Zimsky>Woet:
08:02<Woet>new phone who dis
08:03<Zimsky>ma
08:03<Zimsky>i dinnae ken
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09:42<david>hi
09:43<david>what is the payment method that linode supported?
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09:44<foo_>hello
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09:45<foo_>do you do bgp?
09:45<foo_>so we can announce our IPs
09:45<@jackley>hi david! we support Visa, MasterCard, American Express, and Discover cards. We also support PayPal, but you'll need a credit card to complete signup.
09:45<@jackley>foo_: not at this time, no.
09:46<foo_>ok, thanks
09:46<@jackley>you're welcome!
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09:52<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Post_Max_Size PHP 7.0 <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15503&p=75203#p75203>
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11:17<Spal>Hello. what can we do if we are experiencing very high CPU steal %
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11:18<Peng_>You can contact support
11:19<someone911>You should change your passwords and call the cops
11:19<flugsio>+1
11:19<Spal>We have contacted support
11:19<@bmartin>Spal do you have a ticket number so I can have someone look into that right away?
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11:19<Spal>9271000
11:20<@bmartin>Ok excellent I believe I just spoke with you on twitter as well. Someone is looking at it right now
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11:21<Spal>Ok thanks @bmartin that was my colleague
11:21<@bmartin>Excellent!
11:21<Zimsky>GOOD NEWS!
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11:40<Spal>@bmartin any news?
11:41<@bmartin>I know support is looking at the situation you'll be hearing back from them soon.
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11:45<Woet>Spal: this isn't slack/discord, no need to use @
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11:45<Woet>Spal: i also recommend having more patience or severely upgrading your budget if you want a < 30 minute support SLA.
11:48<Spal>Thanks @bmartin
11:48<Woet>no worries
11:48<Woet>thanks for reading neither of my messages
11:52<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • Longview support for Postgresql and Redis monitoring + custom alerts <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14955&p=75204#p75204>
11:54<Zimsky>god I hate slack
11:54<Zimsky>god I hate discord
11:56<Zimsky>god I tolerate Woet
11:56<Woet>please dont
11:56<@bmartin>I love you both
11:57<Zimsky>bmartin is a communist
11:57<@bmartin>I cannot confirm nor deny
11:57<Zimsky>communism isn't necessarily bad
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12:20<synfinatic>Zimsky you can only say you hate slack because you haven't used Hipchat. :-/
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12:22<csnxs>I only speak IRC
12:23<FluffyFoxeh>same
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12:25<meheditechie>Thank you for completing your signup! Your account is currently being reviewed. You'll receive an email from us after your account has been reviewed, so hang tight!
12:25<meheditechie>why i am seeing this/
12:26<smallclone>because your account is currently being reviewed
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12:26<smallclone>hang tight
12:26<@bmartin>Hey there meheditechie your account is currently being reviewed by the team. You should hear something or be activated shortly
12:27<meheditechie>thanks
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13:00<Zimsky>synfinatic: I most definitely hate slack
13:00<Zimsky>and am disgruntled by those who use it
13:00<synfinatic>heh
13:00<Zimsky>especially if they're tech people like us
13:01<synfinatic>i'm not a huge fan of it either. but I guess my point is there are worse things. it can always get worse. and it's called hipchat
13:10<Zimsky>synfinatic: chemical weapons are really bad
13:10<Zimsky>nuclear weapons are far, far worse
13:11<Zimsky>chemical weapons are still really bad!
13:11<migmolrod>XD
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13:12<Zimsky>sup tone
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13:14<TonyG_>Hi Zimsky. :)
13:16<TonyG_>Pre-Sales question: The monthly Management cost for VPS is $100. I do want my host to update the OS, Apache or NGinx, and mySQL. Aside from that I administer my own stuff. Is there a minimal Management option available? Thx
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13:20<@rsyracuse>TonyG_: Our managed service is mostly an incident response service, so we usually wouldn't configure anything internal on your behalf. That being said, we can investigate issues as we detect them and in most cases bring your site back online if something goes wrong
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13:21<@rsyracuse>TonyG_: It would be an account wide service, and we wouldn't be able to reduce the costs for a more limited version. You may be able to find more information here https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/linode-managed
13:22<@rsyracuse>Hope that helps =)
13:22<TonyG_>I understand, thanks. I wasn't sure if Linode was competing with site hosts, providing web server + db services, or if you're mostly focused on the servers. It seems the latter. That's fine for some apps. For my current needs I'm looking to re-host a number of websites into a VPS and value management of just those components.
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13:25<migmolrod>@TonyG_ in that case you can install something like "Virtualmin". it's really easy to update packages. not sure about OS updates tho
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13:27*relidy shudders at the mention of the "V"-word.
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13:28<migmolrod>?
13:29<FAT32>Hi just wanna ask something, is there any load limit on vCPU? or can I get any dedicated CPU? Thanks
13:30<relidy>migmolrod: Having been forced to use Virtualmin in the past, I'm glad not to anymore. /personal-opinion
13:31<migmolrod>hahaha well, i'm using in a staging VM and works well for me. what was wrong in your experience?
13:32<TonyG_>Full respect for shudders. :)
13:32<relidy>Virtualmin really likes to get its hooks into the system. Obviously its role is such that it needs some degree of control, but at least on CentOS, it likes to replace system packages with its own bundled versions (e.g. Apache).
13:34<TonyG_>I'm not looking for a GUI management panel. I want to make sure I have reasonable settings in the web server and db, that it's always fully patched and secure, etc. I believe/hope that this is what host management provides. If all hosts do is run cron that does auto-updates, heck I can do that.
13:35<FAT32>Is my message being sent?
13:35<relidy>TonyG_: Yeah, it does sound like you're looking more for a host than a VPS provider (the latter of which is what Linode is).
13:36<relidy>FAT32: I'd refer to the ToS (https://www.linode.com/tos) unless a Linode employee wants to speak up.
13:36<@rsyracuse>FAT32: Our general guideline is that you should avoid approaching or exceeding an average of 80% per core over a 24-hour period
13:36<FAT32>Well it said intentional misuse, what if it is under high load?
13:36<FAT32>Okay that explain it better
13:37<TonyG_>Fair enough, one of my clients hosts here and we're happy with the service. He referred me here for my needs and I'll consider for other things (like a Minecraft server or development :) ).
13:37<FAT32>So I can use cpulimit or some alternative to limit it to prevent from misflagged as abuse?
13:37<grawity>...what are you gonna do with the server, mine bitcoin?
13:38<relidy>TonyG_: We've been a satisfied customer for many years as well. Sometimes you just need something different, though.
13:38<FAT32>No, it will be running NodeJS potentially with database for now (db may split into different server)
13:40<FAT32>Of course, most of the time it will be < 5% but just to prevent being suspended during peak (some provider suspend or put to lower priority in 15-60 mins?)
13:40*Peng_ looks at CPU graph.
13:40<Peng_>Max: 142%. Average: 48%.
13:42<FAT32>Then I don't think it will reach the limit so easily, given that if peak is only few hours
13:42<FAT32>Thanks so much for the information, it is not listed in ToS so have to ask it here
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15:06<zifnab>is 172.18.0.17 a private address
15:06<zifnab>traceroute from alioth.zifnab.net shows that as hop 3
15:06<zifnab>which i (believe) is a linode router connected to 100ge14-2.core1.sjc2.he.net or something
15:06<zifnab>just found it interesting
15:06<dwfreed>yes
15:07<dwfreed>HE requires Linode use RFC1918 space for their routers
15:07<zifnab>really?
15:07<dwfreed>yeah, it's dumb
15:07<zifnab>that's...what the fuck
15:07<dwfreed>it's only on the peering link, but still
15:12<scotti>why is that dumb
15:12<scotti>there is nothing wrong with that
15:12<scotti>saves IP space
15:13<scotti>most peering is done with RFC1918 space or using 8.x.x.x
15:13<scotti>which is basically private
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15:13<dwfreed>8/8 is not private
15:13<scotti>no but it's practically private
15:14<scotti>it's permanently unannounced
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15:14<dwfreed>except 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 ?
15:14<scotti>ah right
15:14<scotti>whatever the DoD space is
15:14<scotti>7/8 maybe
15:15<scotti>yeah 7.0.0.0/8
15:15<dwfreed>oh yeah, that makes total sense, use address space allocated to the US Government, because leaks never happen
15:15<scotti>assigned to the U.S. DoD but it's permanently unannounced
15:15<dwfreed>(and misconfigs on either side)
15:16<scotti>well ISPs and providers use it
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15:19<dwfreed>and according to RIPE, an ASN has announced 7/8 in the past (one that shouldn't have)
15:20<dwfreed>https://stat.ripe.net/widget/routing-status#w.resource=7.0.0.0/8&w.data_overload_limit=ignore
15:20<dwfreed>"It was last seen on 2011-10-15 08:00:00 UTC, announced by AS3845."
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16:01<zifnab>44/8 is never announced
16:02<zifnab>but, you shouldn't use it
16:18<grawity>44/8 as in the ham radio net? uh I'm pretty sure it's announced
16:20<grawity>and I see my Windows updates being downloaded from 8.253.*
16:21<grawity>28/7, on the other hand...
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16:39<dwfreed>yeah, 44/8 is announced
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18:22<zifnab>dwfreed: 44/8 isn't supposed to be. it's AMPRNet
18:24<zifnab>it's announced as a bogon out of UCSD
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18:27<zifnab>the IP space is weird, it's announced from UCSD but isn't supposed to be publically routable
18:27<Guest1087>how much is the price of .com domain /year ?
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18:28<Peng_>Guest1087: Linode isn't a domain registrar. Linode does provide DNS hosting.
18:28<Peng_>Cheaper registrars typically offer .com domains for approximately $10
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18:28<Guest1087>ok tahnk you
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18:34<dwfreed>zifnab: "These addresses can possibly be made routable over the Internet if fully coordinated with the volunteer administrators."
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20:44<Veit>hi there! is it possible to get additional dedicated IP address for a single VPS on Linode?
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20:44<Zimsky>if it's technically justifed
20:44<Zimsky>justifed? justified*
20:45<Veit>would 3 different websites on the same server count as justified?
20:45<Cromulent>no
20:45<Zimsky>nope
20:45<@scrane>Generally, no. This can be done using name-based virtual hosts.
20:45<Veit>so it's 1 IP per VPS, correct?
20:45<Cromulent>even if you use SSL you can now use SNI
20:45<@scrane>A technical justification would involve something that can't be done unless you have an additional IP address.
20:45<Zimsky>s/SSL/TLS/
20:46<Cromulent>^
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