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01:36<bryanm>Hi everyone
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03:46<tanja84dk>hawk, are you online?
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05:36<emosewaguy>hi
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05:37<emosewaguy>is anybody there to help me in linode
05:37<emosewaguy>I've set up ubuntu on linode but it's taking almost all the space.. but as I've checked my files are not taking the whole space
05:39<ponas>what is the output of df -h? does the linode manager say all your disk space is allocated?
05:39<ponas>!paste
05:39<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at https://bpaste.net/ and not in the channel
05:39<tanja84dk>Zimsky, is it okay I pm you?
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05:39<muni>hi
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05:40<muni>I would like to host Java .war file and need mysql..
05:40<Cromulent|2>muni: you can install whatever you need
05:41<emosewaguy>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/root 20G 5.6G 13G 31% / devtmpfs 493M 0 493M 0% /dev tmpfs 495M 0 495M 0% /dev/shm tmpfs 495M 58M 438M 12% /run tmpfs 5.0M 0 5.0M 0% /run/lock tmpfs 495M 0 495M 0% /sys/fs/cgroup tmpfs 99M 0 99M 0% /run/user/0
05:41<emosewaguy>I'm using 5.6G out of 20G
05:41<tanja84dk>emosewaguy, what I can see then you have 13 GB free
05:42<muni>basic plan is suffienent for this?
05:43<tanja84dk>btw emosewaguy the drive space there is listed on the linode dashboard is what is alocated to the linode and not what you are using
05:44<tanja84dk>emosewaguy, so if your question is why linode dashboard says your using all storage space then its because everything is alocated to that haddisk drive in your linode
05:44<emosewaguy>@ponas Yes it says 98% allocated towards disks and Total: 20480 MB Used: 20256 MB Free: 224 MB
05:45<emosewaguy>while df -h says I've more than 70% free
05:45<tanja84dk>emosewaguy, read the last message I wrote
05:45<emosewaguy>Why is that differnce bw linode dashboard and via ssh commands
05:45*tanja84dk giving up
05:46<tanja84dk>"<tanja84dk> emosewaguy, so if your question is why linode dashboard says your using all storage space then its because everything is alocated to that haddisk drive in your linode"
05:46<emosewaguy>@tanja84dk exactly
05:46<tanja84dk>emosewaguy, I'm giving up because you dont read when I give you the answer
05:46<emosewaguy>does this dashboard gives the false information?
05:47<tanja84dk>ponas, please help explaining that for that noob to emosewaguy
05:47<emosewaguy>I've read it @tanja84dk
05:47<sjacobs>the dashboard shows how much of your plan you have allocated towards disks.
05:47<sjacobs>you could add 10 2G disks and it would say the same thing.
05:47<sjacobs>doesn't mean you've used 100% of you disks.
05:48<sjacobs>disks available space/storage*
05:48<tanja84dk>sjacobs, the sad part that was also what I tried to explain him that it is the allocated space not used space
05:48<ponas>in other words: the manager says how much space is allocated to partitions, while df -h shows available space in the file systems
05:48<sjacobs>tanja84dk: i understand. just trying to put it another way. thought it may help.
05:49<emosewaguy>@sjacobs Thanks a lot
05:49<emosewaguy>And @tanja84dk too
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05:49<emosewaguy>Now i get this part..
05:49*tanja84dk thinks somebody should be staying on webhosts when they cant figure basic linux administration. Because how is they then able to secure their box
05:50<emosewaguy>I was staying on normal webhosts only
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05:50<ponas>to be fair the manager can be confusing in that regard
05:51<emosewaguy>it is my first ever experiment n learning.. n for sure with time and of course your help guys I'll be able to make it
05:51<ponas>you can do it!
05:51<emosewaguy>thank you :) @ponas I will dig more in linux
05:51<Zimsky>what does n equal?
05:52<ponas>Zimsky: and
05:52<Zimsky>ponas: and what?
05:52<ponas>and for sure
05:52<Zimsky>what is?
05:52<ponas>with time and our help, emosewaguy will be able to make it
05:53<ponas>emosewaguy: Zimsky is here to help if you get stuck
05:53<Zimsky>except for the part where I'm not
05:53<ponas>:/
05:54<Zimsky>please continue to make more DNS requests on linux servers
05:54<emosewaguy>@ponas is he(Zimsky) the linux expert?
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05:54<Zimsky>ponas: ha! get it?
05:54<Zimsky>"dig more in linux"
05:55<ponas>Zimsky: LOL
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05:55<tanja84dk>emosewaguy, I would recommend if you want to learn linux etc then do it offline in virtual machines and dont screw everyone else on the internet
05:55<ponas>emosewaguy: the joke is that dig is a tool for doing DNS lookups
05:56<tanja84dk>dig ANY linode .com
05:56<tanja84dk>dig ANY linode.com
05:56<Zimsky>don't use any
05:56<emosewaguy>hey that is joke of the day to me.. so without any prior info I shoulve ask anything here and bug you guys.. never knew (dig is some tool) :P
05:57<tanja84dk>Zimsky, I actually do many times to figure out if the host both have ipv4 and 6 and if they have a prober mail server setup
05:57<ponas>emosewaguy: you should type your question into google.com first
05:57<ponas>emosewaguy: and click the first 10 results. then you can ask here
05:57<Zimsky>https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-any-04
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05:58<tanja84dk>Zimsky, tbh I have actually not seen that memo before
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05:59<tanja84dk>Zimsky, so they want us to make 5 requests instead of one then
05:59<Zimsky>just script it
05:59<Zimsky>iterate through all the record types on a query string
06:00<tanja84dk>I will also do that then. I just thought it would be better to only connect once for the server instead of several times one after another
06:05<tanja84dk>Zimsky, btw I have sent you a pm about the thing yesterday
06:05<Zimsky>uh, I disable PMS
06:05<Zimsky>PMs*
06:05<Zimsky>should disable PMS too though
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06:06<Zimsky>also DNS doesn't really "connect" since it uses UDP (unless you specifically use TCP)
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06:06<Zimsky>ANY is handy for amplification attacks
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06:07<tanja84dk>oh okay about pm
06:09<tanja84dk>well I do not agree with you about that DNS doesn't really "connect" even that its using UDP but I think we will just let it be there so we don't start a war in here
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06:12<Zimsky>it doesn't connect in that there is no connection formed
06:12<Zimsky>UDP is just sending data and not caring what happens after that
06:12<Zimsky>there's no establishment of a connection
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06:13<Zimsky>TCP performs a handshake aka the establishment of a connection; a specific session in which data is transmitted and received between two endpoints
06:15<tanja84dk>Zimsky, but about yesterday ( The openvpn issue ) in short term. Many of the issues were because difference versions of openvpn even that every server were uptodate. And the reason for the version difference were that a some were debian ( standard debian repo ) others were ubuntu ( ubuntu standard repo ) and one were using openvpn's repo
06:15<Zimsky>at least you're not using ipsec
06:16<tanja84dk>I have actually never used ipsec. Have never had the need for looking into it
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11:23<Chuck_>Hi, I'm using a LEMP stack and I had to upgrade my linode a few times in the past year from a 1024 linode to a 8192 as traffic kept growing. I wanted to know...When I upgrade my linode, is there some settings I should be looking at in my config that I should tweak and adjust to take full advantage of the more powerful linode?
11:25<smallclone>Chuck_: there's probably some tuning you could do
11:26<smallclone>this article looks pretty thorough: https://blog.codeship.com/tuning-nginx/
11:27<smallclone>Linode also has one that is a bit more well organized, though it's older: https://www.linode.com/docs/web-servers/nginx/configure-nginx-for-optimized-performance
11:28<Chuck_>Ok exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for your help
11:28<smallclone>sure
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11:48<tanja84dk>does someone in here remember the lish ssh address for london? the reason is that I dont have access to the dashboard atm
11:48<hawk>lish-london.linode.com afaik
11:49<tanja84dk>thanks hawk
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12:04<tanja84dk>who was it I talked to yesterday about some of the issues with the tutorial about openvpn?
12:04<tanja84dk>I'm thinking of the person there would look into those issues and see if they could get fixed
12:05<smallclone>tanja84dk: i'd suggest creating a GH issue: https://github.com/linode/docs
12:07<tanja84dk>I'll pass then and just let the errors be
12:07<tanja84dk>because I'm not reporting issues on a github to a big company
12:08<smallclone>why don't you just tell me the issues
12:08<smallclone>and i'll open it for you :)
12:09<tanja84dk>actually no because if a big company like linode rely on github and dont have their own internal system then no thanks. Then I will go to digital ocean or other places for better tutorials
12:10<smallclone>lol what
12:10<smallclone>...you do realize how many huge companies use github, right? particularly for documentation
12:10<tanja84dk>yes private repo there arent public
12:11<smallclone>why would you make a documentation repo private
12:11<smallclone>that doesn't make any sense
12:11<tanja84dk>so because its private then its internal because not everyone have access
12:11<smallclone>again, that doesn't make any sense
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12:12<smallclone>it makes more sense to encourage, even foster external contribution. documentation teams are traditionally pretty small.
12:12<tanja84dk>it makes alot of sense
12:12<smallclone>if the final result is public anyway, why should the markdown files be private?
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12:12<tanja84dk>then you dont have script kiddies and noobs complaining of things and only get the actual issues from people there find them
12:13<smallclone>you're talking out of your ass
12:13<tanja84dk>and specially when they run a public repo, then they are actually saying we dont care about our documentation, because we dont want to use money on it
12:13<smallclone>that is such a stupid assumption i don't even know where to start
12:14<smallclone>they use a private repo for releases of new products and such, where you don't want others to see the source files before launch
12:14<smallclone>i know this because i worked there
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12:15<relidy>!point smallclone
12:15<linbot>relidy: Point given to smallclone. (2)
12:17<tanja84dk>And also I'm not reporting issues on github when linode is paying costumers to write tutorials with errors in
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12:19<Cromulent>I have no words
12:19<smallclone>the more you talk the more i'm inclined to believe that the problem is with you
12:19<smallclone>on second thought you're right, don't open an issue, it would be a waste of everyone's time
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12:21<tanja84dk>like why the hell pay for a tutorial where you run openvpn server as a non root and cut out that you have to create costum scrips and add the user to sudo so its able to restart and manage the network connections without having to reboot
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12:22<tanja84dk>Even linode shoud know that as a server/network provider
12:22<smallclone>you should 100% run an openvpn server as non-root. you shouldn't be running things as root.
12:22<smallclone>that's not an openvpn-specific principle it's pretty much a given for just about anything.
12:23<tanja84dk>smallclone, no but they cut out things on purpose that I had to go else where to find
12:23<smallclone>how do you know they cut them out on purpose?
12:23<smallclone>i can picture them, laughing maniacally as they cut out critical information
12:24<tanja84dk>well they are server/network provider, and on their level they shoud know that that is needed
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12:25<tanja84dk>else its sounding like its just teenage collage kids there are running and managing linode with no degree
12:25<smallclone>which guide are you even referring to
12:25<smallclone>also, i assure you Linode's network engineers are not the ones writing openvpn guides
12:25<smallclone>because they're busy you know..being network engineers working at a large hosting company.
12:26<tanja84dk>https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/vpn/set-up-a-hardened-openvpn-server
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12:26<tanja84dk>and as openvps says on their site https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/UnprivilegedUser#Wrapperforip
12:26<tanja84dk>Because openvpn will be running unprivileged, it can't execute the ip command directly.
12:27<smallclone>well for one thing, that does not appear to be a community guide
12:27<tanja84dk>it probebly is they have just taken the copy right
12:28<smallclone>they retain the rights to anything they publish, but community guides are noted as such at the top
12:29<tanja84dk>That jujst make it worse that even linode dont know what they are talking about
12:29<tanja84dk>and making falty tutorials
12:31<@mcintosh>what is cut out of the tutorial? it tells you that you need to set up sudo access and links you to a guide on setting up sudo access
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12:31<smallclone>tutorials have issues all the time, honestly. they're static pieces of information whereas the software they're covering continues to go through updates
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12:32<smallclone>mcintosh: i believe they are referring to the ovpn user that the guide creates, wwhere the openvpn instructions reference a script that can be used to run the ip command
12:33<tanja84dk>well I created the user from the tutorial, and the user cant restart the server
12:33<smallclone>tutorials having an issue is not unique to linode. however when there is an issue, i'd much rather report it through an established workflow like Github that i use every day, instead of filling out some form and langoring in some internal bug tracker
12:33<smallclone>tanja84dk: by the server, do you mean the linode itself?
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12:34<smallclone>because no user can successfully restart a linode. you can't tell the hypervisor what to do after it shuts the machine down. the best you can hope for is that lassie is enabled and your restart is interpreted as an unexpected shutdown.
12:34<tanja84dk>mcintosh, well even as root then I cant restart the openvpn server without rebooting the complete server
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12:35<smallclone>erm then you did something wrong
12:35<tanja84dk>because the user your kids tutorial is saying there shall manage the openvpn server in the config has no abilito to bring up or take down interfaces
12:36<tanja84dk>smallclone, no I did not because the user the toturial says I need to create for the openvpn server is a non root and non sudo user
12:36<smallclone>well i think you've given enough information for me to file a nice github issue, even if it's buried in a lot of stupidity
12:37<tanja84dk>and because its in the server config that that user is the owner for that server then it does not matter
12:37<relidy>Doesn't OpenVPN start as root regardless to handle just that sort of stuff, then drop privileges once it's done what it must?
12:37<tanja84dk>and then you can take the credit and get payed for it ofc
12:37<smallclone>you don't get paid for opening an issue
12:38<tanja84dk>relidy, it looks like it dont because its saying in the log that the user dont have permissions
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12:38<tanja84dk>and else why would openvpn community them self saying you need a wrapper around
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12:39<Ricardo>Hi
12:39<Ricardo>Linode have Windows?
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12:40<relidy>Ricardo: Not officially.
12:40<relidy>!winode
12:40<linbot>It is possible to run Windows on !kvm Linodes. Here's a set of unofficial instructions: https://github.com/linode/docs/pull/501
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13:01<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
13:13*DanielNM cheers
13:16<@jalter>!point Eugene
13:16<linbot>jalter: Point given to eugene. (38) (Biggest fan: jalter, total: 12)
13:16<@bmartin>!point jalter
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13:18<@rsyracuse>!point DanielNM
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13:37<leo_>Hello : How is the blockstorage beta has been ? any bad issues ?? all working smooth ??
13:37<millisa>just 1 incident I know of a month or so ago.
13:38<leo_>data lost ? or just a fixed incident ?
13:39<millisa>i didnt have any dataloss, just lost the mounts briefly. don't remember if there was a status page on it (looking)
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13:43<millisa>It was on Oct-5, looks like it lasted about an hour
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13:45<leo_>sorry had to leave and got back found something millisa ?
13:46<millisa>just the day we were talking about it in here.
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13:46<millisa>(it was the same day that some guy came in wanting info about some person he was trying to catfish)
13:47<smallclone>i always miss the good stuff
13:47<millisa>It was around here: http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/linode/2017/10/05#15:24
13:50<smallclone>oh this is quite good
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15:13<buzzly>i was curious if people run tor exits on linodes?
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15:15<Eugene>buzzly - anecdotally yes, with a restricted exit policy. You are liable(to Linode support) for any Abuse reports.
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15:57<dwfreed>I don't recommend it; mcintosh does it, though
16:04<ericoc>mcintosh runs an exit node on linode? o_O
16:05<dwfreed>he runs one in each datacenter, last I looked
16:05<ericoc>ha
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16:26<dzho>frightening, but useful.
16:26<dzho>I know someone that has run one so they can watch the ssh traffic going through it.
16:27<dzho>they then exploited trust-on-first-use for the server public key, running a MITM on the traffic.
16:27<dzho>I was a little shocked that people were running ssh over tor quite so much but apparently that is a big deal for IoT device management.
16:28<dzho>but none of this is, so far as I know, on linode.
16:29<dzho>at least, not the exit this guy was running.
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16:57<buzzly>it's nice that there is one in each linode data center.
17:04<Eugene>I have run a MITM SSH gateway exit before, to great amusement
17:05<Eugene>Amazing how many people will forward SSH Agent keys
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18:49<Riviera>Eugene: interesting, i would have thought that's a rarely used feature
18:50<Riviera>Eugene: perhaps some GUI SSH client enables it by default, or via some prominent checkbox, hm :)
19:11<Eugene>Riviera - I've seen it recommended in various git-related guides, for various reasons
19:11<Eugene>Once that creeps into your bashrc it tends to bounce around
19:15<Eugene>9
19:15<Zimsky>git gud
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23:03<manh>hello
23:04<manh>any Linode members ?
23:04<manh>are there
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23:05<millisa>greetings
23:06<manh>We've create account in Linode
23:06<manh>and paid 5$ for first time
23:06<manh>but when this finish we can not login again in Linode
23:07<manh>We ask for reset password it also have no information (email) from Linode
23:07<manh>have no way to contact with your support team again
23:07<manh>any one can help me about it
23:07<millisa>Check your junk/spam folder; they usually send emails during the signup when the account is activated.
23:08<manh>have none
23:09<manh>no email in junk/spam or other
23:09<manh>yesterday it said creditcard invalid, after we raise ticket it can be complete this step
23:10<manh>but right after input credit card and paid 5$, it logout and can not login again with same user/pass
23:12<manh>hi Millisa, are you still there ?
23:12<millisa>Yep
23:13<manh>Are you Linode supporter ?
23:13<millisa>!ops
23:13<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: https://www.linode.com/contact
23:14<millisa>When you signup, there's usually multiple mails involved; a receipt for the initial payment and a welcome message/information needed
23:14<manh>thank you, I'm trying to connect with employee from Linode but failure
23:15<millisa>Did you try the contact methods on the website? https://www.linode.com/contact
23:16<Zimsky>but failure
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23:34<manh>Yes
23:34<manh>I've just call to them
23:34<manh>some one ask me 6 last digit from credit card
23:35<manh>we provide, but it seem not resolve, account still can not login
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23:36<Zimsky>perhaps give them another call
23:37<manh>yes, on calling
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23:44<manh>thank you
23:44<manh>thank you Zimsky and Millisa
23:44<millisa>did they get you in?
23:45<manh>not yet, but after call again, one of employee said they will email and resolve it
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