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---Logopened Mon Dec 18 00:00:10 2017
00:02<dwfreed>zifnab: eww, libvirt
00:02<zifnab> /shrug
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00:22<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • الخبرة المثالية للخدمات المنزلية للمنطقة الشرقية <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15581&p=75363#p75363>
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02:30<teddy>hello
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02:34<dcraig>this. is. linode.
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02:41<zifnab>dcraig: i thought this was either sparta or Zimsky
02:42<dcraig>NOPE
02:42<zifnab>anyone want cat photos
02:42<neo^>zifnab: wow, it is so easy to do that. They have already implemented it.
02:43<zifnab>Eugene: i've been whoring your cats out for internet points
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03:11<synapt>Pretty sure something at Level3 just went into meltdown again
03:12<Peng_>D:
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03:13<nate>Something happened with them a few days back that caused a massive several-hour outage in PA of like at least 4 different cable companies (mine included) and nobody has yet to get a response as to what
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03:14<nate>No idea what the hell century link has been doing but this shit has all been since they bought them lol
03:14<Zimsky>zifnab: this is me
03:14<Zimsky>nate: this is me
03:14<Zimsky>look at me, nate
03:15<zifnab>Zimsky: no, this is zifnab
03:15<Zimsky>temporally accurate
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03:15<zifnab>nate: i suspect a backhoe
03:16<Zimsky>everyone loves a backhoe
03:16<zifnab>i want one
03:16<zifnab>i want to drive it around seattle
03:16<zifnab>roll around, even
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03:16<Zimsky>I'd much rather drive a tank
03:16<Zimsky>or a mining truck
03:16<Zimsky>imagine going down a road in a mining truck
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03:17<nate>zifnab: Probably digging up every reference to level3 they can to change the name, seeing as they love postingt daily (sometimes multiple times a day) a reminder on twitter that level3 is "now centurylink" lol
03:17<Zimsky>they bought L3?
03:17<Zimsky>when was this?
03:17<nate>Like the start of november? Did you really not know this?
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03:18<Zimsky>dude I've been out of the loop for like, a year
03:18<nate>Like, we were in here literaly joking about it at the time because there was a major L3 outage like 15 minutes after the first public announcement about it from them lol
03:19<Zimsky>unless it's a swiss carrier, I don't really pay attention anyway
03:23<Zimsky>eventually there will be only two companies
03:24<Zimsky>and they'll develop a fantastic rivalry
03:30<zifnab>nate: well, this sucks. level3 was actually good
03:32<zifnab>i have weird isp issues at home. wave (local cableco) serves the apartments behind mine, i can see the boxes marked 'wave' in the alley, they just don't serve my building, comcast does
03:33<zifnab>centurylink serves me, at 5mbit, but like 30ft away it's gigabit fiber
03:33<zifnab>so i'm stuck with crapcast :(
03:33<Zimsky>zifnab: what if I told you you could pay $30 more per month and half your problems go away
03:34<Zimsky>but only for a 36 month contract period
03:34<zifnab>Zimsky: depends on what the termination fee is
03:34<zifnab>i actually like comcast business
03:34<Zimsky>you also have to be ajit pai's butler
03:34<zifnab>it's nice calling up and saying "Shit's down, I've debugged things, please poke"
03:34<Zimsky>and I hear he has strange habits
03:34<Zimsky>nice
03:35<Zimsky>I fixed my own telecom issue recently
03:35<zifnab>i mean, it's no better than non-business, except you get an actual trained person on the phone when there's a problem, and you can point at an SLA in a contract
03:35<zifnab>the residential SLA is 0
03:36<Zimsky>I was getting loss and worked out that it was between me and the first ISP router
03:36<Zimsky>so I lifted up the telecom box slab on the road and the cabling was fucked
03:36<Zimsky>so I fixed it and it worked
03:37<Zimsky>it was preferable to calling the ISP and waiting a week to be told "we see no problems on our end"
03:37<Zimsky>residential SLA of 0?
03:37<Zimsky>what kind of connection is it?
03:38<Zimsky>e.g. fibre, coax, ADSL with line rental, ADSL without line rental
03:39*Woet sets mode: +b zi*!*@*
03:40<Zimsky>at least in some parts of the world, if you have a phone line, there's a sort-of-SLA they need to honour, and problems get fixed faster
03:40<Zimsky>woet a surprise
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03:59<IDINBY_DK>old school :)
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04:00<Peng_>No school like the old school
04:00<IDINBY_DK>i have a question about manage linode
04:00<Zimsky>except other old schools
04:00<Zimsky>they're like the old school
04:00<Zimsky>new schools are usually better
04:00<Zimsky>they teach evolution
04:02<IDINBY_DK>what is the price for the manage whit cpanel can't see prising for this
04:04<Peng_>It's on the page, near the bottom.
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04:06<IDINBY_DK>i'am on https://www.linode.com/managed and cant's any prising for the managed solution.. i have made a acc. do i chooce a setup and the add on the managed solution ???
04:07<@bhanks>>Pricing is $100 per month per Linode on your account.
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04:21<Zimsky>I want a job where I can greentext people
04:22<Zimsky>>contacts support
04:22<Zimsky>>hasn't even done the troubleshooting
04:22<Zimsky>KEK
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04:43<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • Spamhaus SBLCSS <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15579&p=75364#p75364>
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05:40<asd>in?
05:40<Peng_>Hello?
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05:41<asd>有教学视频?
05:42<asd>我希望购买使用,但我不知道如何应用?
05:52<ponas>asd: 这里有教程:https://www.linode.com/docs/
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08:43<jerber>hola alguien en español
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22:08<automorphic>Is anyone around?
22:09<linbot>automorphic: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
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22:10<@scrane> Hey there! Is there anything I can help you with?
22:12<automorphic>I am having an issue connecting to a pptp server inside docker on Linode. I am able to connect to the server when not using docker the Linode server, but inside docker it fails. The same thing happens on my laptop until I run " modprobe nf_conntrack_pptp nf_conntrack_proto_gre" These modules seem to be loaded in the linode kernel (I searched and found someone with a similar-ish issue https://irclogs.thegrebs.com/linode/2015/
22:12<automorphic>tl;dr: A docker that works on my local computer does not work on linode
22:15<automorphic>When I try to connect inside the docker, and I monitor the host eth0 connection, there is GRE traffic going back and forth
22:15<@scrane>But you aren't able to connect directly do the Linode when Docker is running?
22:16<@scrane>Also, what as the date where you found the person with a similar issue in those logs?
22:16<@scrane>It sounds to me like that's going to be a misconfiguration within Docker. That's a bit outside my expertise, but let me do a bit of digging to see if I can find some additional information.
22:16<automorphic>To clarify, I am attempting to connect to an external service from my Linode server from within a docker image
22:17<@scrane>Aaah, okay. So from the Linode without Docker enabled you are able to connect, but from within the container you aren't?
22:17<automorphic>Yes precisely!
22:17<automorphic>And even with docker enabled, I can connect, but not from within the docker image
22:17<@scrane>How are you attempting to establish the connection?
22:19<@sjacobs>side note: if you need kernel modules not enabled in the linode kernel, you can always use the one provided by your distritbution.
22:19<@sjacobs>https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/custom-kernels-distros/run-a-distribution-supplied-kernel/
22:20<automorphic>scrane: Without involving docker at all, I am using pptp-linux from Debian Stretch, which is successful
22:21<automorphic>scrane: Within docker, I am using an alpine:edge docker, which works on my laptop which has Debian jessie
22:21<automorphic>sjacobs: Thanks for that, it does seem like the necessary modules are enabled though
22:21<automorphic>sjacobs: But maybe I should try the stock debian kernel
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22:25<@scrane>Unfortunately, this one is going to be a bit beyond me. From within Docker, are you able to ping the server you are attempting to connect to? Are you also able to access other internet services from within the container? That will help narrow down what the source of the problem is.
22:26<@scrane>I am also going to be heading out shortly, but hopefully others around might be able to help give some more information.
22:26<automorphic>scrane: Yeah that was the first thing I tried to make sure, I was able to ping it
22:26<automorphic>scrane: Thanks for your help!
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22:29<automorphic>It definitely feels like it's an issue with the kernel modules though, even though /proc/config.gz claims the modules I need are enabled, I feel like it has to do with them
22:29<automorphic>On my local machine, if I run "rmmod nf_conntrack_pptp nf_conntrack_proto_gre" I can reproduce the error
22:30<automorphic>They're not loaded on the server though
22:30<@sjacobs>automorphic: have you tried the distro kernel, yet? if your linode was created in the last ~11 months, it should "just work™"
22:31<automorphic>sjacobs: Not yet, I will try that now, and yes it's a very recent linode
22:31<automorphic>One moment, I will try
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22:32<@sjacobs>cool. so it's just config profile > set "GRUB 2" as kernel > save > reboot.
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22:34<automorphic>sjacobs: Taking a while to shutdown, I think I've annoyed it with these network issues haha
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22:36<automorphic>uname -a Linux localhost 4.9.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.65-3 (2017-12-03) x86_64 GNU/Linux.... same issue, damn
22:38<automorphic>(and yes I did modprobe the desired modules)
22:38<@sjacobs>hmm. does the container have a network connection?
22:38<@sjacobs>> From within Docker, are you able to ping the server you are attempting to connect to?
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22:39<automorphic>sjacobs: Yes
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22:42<automorphic>And just to reiterate, if I use the same configuration to connect outside of the docker container on the linode machine, it does connect
22:42<@sjacobs>yeah. i scrolled back and you already confirmed the traffic is making it out and back, too. hmm.
22:42<@sjacobs>(to the host)
22:43<automorphic>I have to feel like this is a docker issue and not a linode issue, but I was hoping maybe someone would have had a similar issue before
22:45<automorphic>Just a bit frustrating that it works locally and not on linode, admittedly on different debian distributions though
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23:19<automorphic>Somehow it's the difference between "GREv1, call 54120, seq 1, length 36: LCP, Conf-Request (0x01), id 1, length 22" and "GREv1, call 57913, seq 1, length 36: LCP, Conf-Request (0x01), id 1, length 22"
23:19<automorphic>That's the difference in tcpdump output
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23:38<automorphic>Is it possible that NetworkManager on my local machine is making things work?
23:40<dwfreed>my guess would be that the traffic isn't getting forwarded to the container
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23:40<@sjacobs>that is a posibility. fwiw, i'm seeing the same thing you are.
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23:41<dwfreed>tcpdump the veth device for the container
23:41<@sjacobs>i get traffic into and out of the container. looking from the host i see it coming going to the container, and get the response back.
23:41<@sjacobs>i'm just troubleshooting other things now (can't spend much more time on this, though)
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23:45<automorphic>dwfreed: I will try that
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23:49<automorphic>dwfreed: When I did that, I did see only one way traffic, you were right
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23:51<automorphic>I cannot seem to stay connected using the webchat
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23:53<dwfreed>oh, damn it
23:53<dwfreed>i always forget that
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23:58<automorphic>Hopefully I can stay connected with irssi
23:58<dwfreed>automorphic: sorry, the webchat issue is my fault
23:58<dwfreed>it's fixed now
23:58<automorphic>dwfreed: No worries, I just downloaded irssi, it'd been a while since I'd used IRC
23:58<automorphic>dwfreed: Anyway, you were right, it's not being forwarded
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