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#linode IRC Logs for 2017-12-19

---Logopened Tue Dec 19 00:00:11 2017
00:00<dwfreed>Our servers have the ability to disconnect all their users so we can restart them for updates and stuff; our webchat is set to connect to one specific server, which was in this mode
00:02<automorphic>dwfreed: I was sure I somehow messed up my network haha
00:03<automorphic>I'm a bit network-sensitive right now, from failing to get this to work for so long
00:08<automorphic>dwfreed, sjacobs: Thank you for all your help
00:09<automorphic>By pointing out what was going on, google brought up a flag that for some reason is not necessary on my local machine
00:09<automorphic>--net=host
00:09<@sjacobs>nice.
00:11<automorphic>I really appreciate you trying to troubleshoot it for me
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00:21<automorphic>It seems though it might not actually be what I want, hmmm
00:22<automorphic>It makes it so the container just takes over the network
00:22<automorphic>Damn
00:22<automorphic>Oh well, I'll stop bothering you guys, you've helped
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01:07<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Issue MySQL Stopped <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15563&p=75372#p75372>
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02:41<grawity>so earlier ago I spent an hour trying to figure out why Gmail is rejecting messages despite SPF passing, DKIM passing, DMARC passing...
02:42<grawity>turns out, Gmail's filtering is 3x stricter for 2a01:7e00::/64
02:42<Peng_>D:
02:42<grawity>though luckily not for the routed ranges
02:43<Zimsky>google is also anal about dns alignment
02:44<Woet>fortunately no one who cares about email deliverability would use a shared VPS providers IP space for sending their emails
02:44<Zimsky>sure they do
02:44<Woet>then they're fools
02:45<Zimsky>why
02:45<Woet>because you don't control your neighbours and VPS providers are known to attract abuse and incompetent sysadmins?
02:46<grawity>Zimsky: yeah but
02:46<Woet>and email reputation is a bitch in general.
02:46<grawity>Zimsky: once I moved to the routed /64, they even accepted the same messages with SPF softfail
02:48<zifnab>!vend
02:48<zifnab>:(
02:48<Zimsky>doesn't google have a thing to get better deliverability to gmail users
02:48<Zimsky>google postmaster or something
02:50<Zimsky>Woet: so what's your alternativé?
02:51<Woet>Zimsky: one of the countless services made for it?
02:51<Woet>Mailgun, Sendgrid, Amazon SES, etc
02:51<Zimsky>sure
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03:18<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Mysql server keeps stopping unexpectedly <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15583&p=75373#p75373>
03:51<FluffyFoxeh>Woet: I've been using my Linode as my email server for like 4 years with very few issues :p
03:51<Woet>FluffyFoxeh: and what is your volume?
03:52<FluffyFoxeh>just me so very low. but I'd think it's harder to build rep without sending much
03:53<FluffyFoxeh>I know it hasn't been enough for DNSWL to give me anything
04:07*nate has been using linode as his email server since he signed up
04:07<nate>though I don't really keep email on it at all
04:09<nate>grawity: Gmail just locked down IPv6 stuff a month or so back. I ran into similar issues, I think I fixed it simply by making sure my IPv6 address had a proper rDNS value (for some reason postfix was using random IPv6 addresses on the system every time cause I forgot to bind to an explicit one)
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04:41<grawity>nope, I had rDNS, didn't help
04:54<nate>hm weird, let me double check what the google rejection thing I got was
04:56<nate>Yeah that's all it was for me; https://support.google.com/mail/?p=IPv6AuthError
04:56<nate>"Our system has detected that this message does not meet IPv6 sending guidelines regarding PTR records and authentication"
04:57<nate>back mid-november, just started happening suddenly, fixed it once I actually bound postfix on an explicit IPv6 address w/ a valid PTR
04:57<grawity>mine was actually about DMARC and forwarded messages
04:57<grawity>like, if I forward a message *from* a domain which uses DMARC, to Gmail, it gets rejected with "The message doesn't have the necessary authentication blah blah"
04:57<nate>Ah
04:57<grawity>but the thing is, over IPv4, it is accepted with "spf=pass dkim=pass dmarc=pass"
04:58<grawity>and likewise, over my routed IPv6 /64, it is *also* accepted
04:58<grawity>hell, it is even accepted despite spf=softfail
04:58<grawity>yet from the shared /64, it is not accepted despite 3×pass
04:59<grawity>(and yes, I can totally see why Gmail would treat a shared/abused address range strictly, but *that's* just like a brick wall.)
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05:03<grawity>at least one good thing is, their rejection message is now a 4xx rather than 5xx
05:03<grawity>so postfix would just retry over ipv4, instead of bouncing
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05:05<Pal>Hi This is Pal
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05:25<Zimsky>cool beans
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06:20<new_user_abc>Hi, I am looking for the Managed Linode Hosting, but there are no pricing details.
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06:21<grawity>according to https://www.linode.com/managed, "Pricing is $100 per month per Linode on your account"
06:24<new_user_abc>I meant is it addition to the chosen plan?
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06:30<@bmartin>Yes it is
06:30<@bmartin>oh whoops
06:31<Zimsky>bmartin: how are you going to explain that you lost a customer because you couldn't reply within 20 seconds?
06:31<Zimsky>: O
06:35<@bmartin>sob openly and hope for the best
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09:01<tanja84dk>did I just disconnect from OFTC?
09:02<Zimsky>ja
09:02<tanja84dk>just to figure out it were my irc bouncer there had a issue or it were on the connection to OFTC
09:02<Peng_>OFTC disconnected you. They're probably going to reboot that server later.
09:02<tanja84dk>thanks Peng_ and Zimsky
09:07<tanja84dk>well back to work then. Just in the middle of moving several websites from one linode to a larger one to cut down on the numbers of linodes we have
09:17<tanja84dk>weird now I lost connection to another irc server also from my bouncer hosten on linode
09:18<Peng_>Seems to have been a total coincidence
09:30<tanja84dk>yeah looked like a masive net split on the other server because alot of people connected again shortly after my bouncer connected
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09:41<someguy67>hey folks-- does anyone know if traffic between linodes counts towards your monthly transfer limit?
09:42<dzho>iirc, it doesn't, so long as they're in the same data center.
09:42<someguy67>ah, perfect, thanks!
09:43<Peng_>It depends.
09:43<Peng_>If it's over public IPv4 addresses, it counts. If it's over IPv6 or private IPv4 addresses, it's free.
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09:46<someguy67>oh, so I could assign some private IP (172.16.x.x) for them to communicate with each other on?
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09:49<tanja84dk>Peng_, someguy67 you are able to add/assign private ip from linode to the servers on the website. And yes what I know then you are able to communicate between your servers on that private ip as long they are in the same data center
09:49<Peng_>someguy67: Or use IPv6.
09:50<tanja84dk>sorry Peng_ that highligt were a mistake
09:50<Peng_>It's fine :)
09:50<someguy67>I see. Ok, thanks for the help/clarification!
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16:00<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Domain Not Pointing To New IP Address <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15588&p=75374#p75374>
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16:51<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Domain Not Pointing To New IP Address <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15588&p=75376#p75376>
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16:55<dwfreed>smallclone: yeah, he has bad glue records
16:56<dwfreed>they're still the old IP
16:56<smallclone>ah that'll do it
16:57<dwfreed>he also lacks redundancy, but that's a different issue
16:57<smallclone>i've forgotten a bit of how that whole process works since i'm lazy and i use cloudflare
16:57<dwfreed>hehe
16:59<dwfreed>basically the tld nameservers will provide A/AAAA records for nameservers that are under the domain they serve, given via the registrar
16:59<dwfreed>the only way to see the glue records with dig is to do a normal query for the domain at the tld nameservers
17:00<smallclone>haha that's exactly what i was reading about on SO just now
17:00<dwfreed>eg dig @sns-pb.isc.org cubithost.ph
17:00<dwfreed>the glue records will be in the additional section
17:01<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Domain Not Pointing To New IP Address <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15588&p=75377#p75377>
17:01<smallclone>so those records need to be updated at the registrar then?
17:02<dwfreed>yep
17:02<Peng_>http://dnsviz.net/d/cubithost.ph/dnssec/
17:05<smallclone>!point dwfreed
17:05<linbot>smallclone: Point given to dwfreed. (34) (Biggest fan: mcintosh, total: 6)
17:05*Zimsky glues dwfreed to a telephone
17:05<smallclone>you learn something new (about dns) every day
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17:06<Peng_>New nightmares every day
17:06<dwfreed>dns is fuckin weird
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17:08<Zimsky>conceptually and by the book, it's pretty straightforward
17:08<Zimsky>it's all the idiosyncrasies of implementations and policy
17:08<Zimsky>and people with absolutely rogered setups
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17:11<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Domain Not Pointing To New IP Address <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15588&p=75378#p75378>
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17:27<Deep>Hi
17:27<millisa>greetings
17:27<linbot>hi
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17:28<Deep>We are a web development company and we would like to go for cloud server.
17:28<Zimsky>great!
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17:31<Zimsky>it's always lovely to hear the intentions of our lovely citizens
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17:32<millisa>I plan on having a poptart and listening to gordon lightfoot.
17:35<Zimsky>then in for a bit of Barry Heavyhand?
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18:29<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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19:25<mhgump>Hi, I'm researching alternatives to aws. Are more detailed specs onlinode aerves available? My application's performance depends on L3 cache so I'm looking for information on that specifically.
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19:32<dzho>3 minutes
19:32<dzho>comparatively, that was real dedication to waiting for an answer
19:33<relidy>Wish I had an answer for them, just to reward waiting.
19:34<dzho>model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2680 v2 @ 2.80GHz
19:34<millisa>was looking up what the other proc was they started using past the 2680's v2/v3's
19:34<dzho>ah, yeah
19:35<millisa>e5-2697's
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21:40<Tung>Hi all ...
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21:43<millisa>greetings
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22:05<Kiran>Helllo
22:05<Kiran>I sthis Customer service
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22:06<Kiran>Sir Hello ?
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22:14<Woet>Kiran: doesn't the website and topic clearly state what this is?
22:14<Kiran>awesome
22:15<Kiran>So I had some doubts
22:15<Kiran>Can I get Clarified here ???
22:15<Kiran>@Woet ??
22:17<Woet>i know it might be a crazy idea, but have you thought of just asking your question instead of waiting 12 minutes?
22:17<Kiran>Mannn this service is amazing
22:18<Kiran>I want to write tutorials on Kali Linux which being a Hakcing OS, in india our servers dont allow stuff that provocate hacking.
22:18<Woet>why would you rate the "service" of a community?
22:19<Kiran>I didnt get you
22:19<millisa>isn't kali supposed to be about ethical pentesting?
22:19<Kiran>Exactly
22:19<Kiran>people here have strict conditions
22:19<millisa>against doing ethical pentesting?
22:19<Kiran>avoiding any hacking related stuff
22:20<Kiran>anything, they say they are equal to WAREZ
22:20<Woet>Kiran: what is your question?
22:20<Kiran>Can i host Kali Linux Tutorials here or not
22:21<Woet>probably? we're not a lawyer
22:21<Kiran>I am planing to purchase Linode 2GB
22:21<millisa>You'd probably want to read https://www.linode.com/tos
22:21<Kiran>Yeah I know but it doesnot say anything bout the stuff i am talking about
22:22<Woet>yea, it wont say "kali linux tutorials are allowed to be hosted here"
22:22<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • Provide RHEL / Red Hat Enterprise Linux images <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15589&p=75379#p75379>
22:22<millisa>Pretty sure it has a section on acceptable conduct and prohibited usage
22:22<Woet>thats not how tos works
22:22<Kiran>In there there is nothing specific, if the content has to be CHILD FRIENDLY or not or say
22:22<retro|blah>Is "CHILD FRIENDLY" some kind of acronym?
22:22<Woet>what does hacking have to do with child friendliness?
22:23<Kiran>No Retro its not an acronym
22:23<Kiran>its just here in indian servers they dont allow anything offensive or slight obscene
22:23<millisa>That's interesting.
22:24<Kiran>People here consider hacking and ethical pentesting being same and also sometimse infer as crime
22:24<Kiran>So i had to come to linode for that
22:25<millisa>sounds like a question for your lawyer
22:26<Kiran>My goodness.... what is lawyer anything to do with this
22:26<millisa>You are asking legal questions, not technical ones.
22:26<Kiran>oooh sorry my bad
22:28<Kiran>So umm Linode is Just a Server Service Right ???
22:28<Kiran>I have a Domain registered at Indian Registrar
22:28<Kiran>I just have to change the NameServers to use Linode Service Right ?
22:28<millisa>You don't have to if you don't want to
22:29<Kiran>That is a good line there.....
22:29<Kiran>I actually want to
22:29<millisa>If you want to use linode's dns manager, you'd need to change it, sure.
22:29<Kiran>oooh then thats the only change its required huh ?
22:30<Kiran>may be thats that simple..... :)
22:30<millisa>https://linode.com/docs/networking/dns/dns-manager-overview/ is your doc
22:30<Kiran>Awesome Thanks
22:31<Kiran>So what is a Zone as in Master and Slave Zone
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22:32<millisa>You might enjoy this doc based on that question: https://linode.com/docs/networking/dns/dns-records-an-introduction/
22:33<millisa>(the slave/master relationship is mentioned in the axfr section)
22:33<@jhaas>if you're not already familiar with master/slave/axfr you probably don't need it ;)
22:35<Kiran>@Jhaas Saved me
22:35<Kiran>I was reading all that nothing got in my brain
22:36<Kiran>I have to learn much more
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22:39<Kiran>Bye People
22:39<Kiran>Thanks for support
22:39<@jhaas>o/
22:40<Kiran>:)
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