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00:50<atrus>i don't suppose recent notices about migration needing to happen are the one needed to dodge this big new intel kernel-memory-leaking issue that's starting to rumble about?
00:51<Peng_>Hehe
00:51<Peng_>You got a notice too?
00:51<Peng_>I only got one from Linode
00:52<atrus>yep.
00:57<@sjacobs>atrus: those notifications are for scheduled migrations which have been ongoing for a few months now. they are unrelated to the recent kernel news.
01:00<Peng_>:O
01:00<Peng_>In some ways that's even more interesting!
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01:12<Eliz>sjacobs: we like our rumors! stahp it!
01:13<Eliz><3
01:14<Ikaros>And now AMD users laugh their asses off >.>
01:16<Eliz>Ikaros: now that you've said it, there'll be something involving AMD next week :D
01:16<Eliz></speculation>
01:17<Peng_>I'm an Intel user but I'm still laughing.
01:17<Peng_>You know like fear laughter.
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01:27<Ajay>HI
01:27<Ajay>Can u please explain me why mysql service is stop automatically.
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01:28<dwfreed>because you stopped it?
01:29<dwfreed>or it ran out of memory
01:29<@sjacobs>if mysql didn't log any errors, out of memory would be my guess.
01:30<Woet>or someone is accessing your MySQL memory from another Linode and it crashes
01:30<Woet>whoops
01:30<Ajay>Thank u so much
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01:30<Zimsky>it was intel
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01:33<Peng_>Woet: Zimsky: :|
01:33<Zimsky>Peng_: why you frogfacing
01:34<Zimsky>don't you frogface at me
01:34<Zimsky>I don't think woet appreciates it either
01:35<Woet>i don't
01:35<Woet>thanks for having my back
01:35<Zimsky>no problem guv
01:35<@jhaas>:X
01:36<Woet>whats with all these linode employee nicks starting with j
01:37<Woet>is it some stupid inside joke or are people with j nicks preferred during the hiring process
01:37<Zimsky>jhaas: woet and I feel that peng has crossed the line with his systematic intimidation and harassment
01:37<Woet>and yea that
01:37<@jhaas>woet: we just have lots of j's https://www.linode.com/about
01:37<Woet>so its the hiring process thing
01:38<Woet>surely theres a federal law about that
01:38<Zimsky>that sounds discriminatory
01:38<@jmetz>there are a lot of j's aren't there?
01:38<@jhaas>lol peng has crossed the _ to become peng_ ?
01:38<Woet>i'm gonna do the math
01:39<Zimsky>I'm reporting linode to the SEC
01:42<Woet>i did the math: https://gist.github.com/Woet/6ecab9c613441c5e7eae1f9c31f55f15
01:42<Woet>theres a big bias towards hiring people starting with J, A, C, S and R
01:44<Zimsky>how many elements are in the superset?
01:44<Zimsky>can't be bothered to sum()
01:44<Peng_>Woet: Good luck. Their lawyers are also anmed J, A, C, S, and R.
01:44<Woet>pls
01:45<Zimsky>Woet: you don't have to take that kind of lip from the frogman
01:45<Zimsky>and his friend anmed
01:45<Zimsky>Anmed and 'Frogman' Peng_ are conspiring to break down the security of processors
01:45<Woet>Zimsky: https://gist.github.com/Woet/d0803bbafe870e1b42a6bf6f96fc5eae
01:46<Woet>i think we have a solid case
01:46<Woet>"Christopher S. Aker"
01:46<Woet>C, S and A are in the top 4
01:47<Woet>coincidence? i think not
01:48<Zimsky>Churches, Saltfish, and Altruism
01:50<@jhaas>AS pARt of the JilluminAti i CAn ASSuRe you eveRything is fAiR All the time
01:50<Zimsky>>ASSuRe
01:51<Zimsky>nou
01:51<@jhaas>lol prob should've noticed that; I was just capitalizing the top 5 from woet's list
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01:51<Woet>jhaas: how does it feel that you were hired just because of your name
01:51<Woet>must sting a little bit
01:52<@jhaas>can't spell jealous without J woet
01:52<Woet>but can spell envy without it
01:53<@jhaas>oh come off it, no one actually knows the difference between them
01:53<Eliz>nobody beats laker <3
01:53*Eliz runs.
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01:54<Zimsky>jhaas: is that what the american education system teaches you to believe?
01:54<@jhaas>Yep.
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01:57<Zimsky>okay
02:00<Peng_>We know you're really just jealous of the American education system, Zimsky.
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02:00<Zimsky>Peng_: indeed
02:01<Zimsky>there's many applications for a system so efficient at brainwashing
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02:03<Zimsky>the best brainwashers are forensic pathologists
02:03<FluffyFoxeh>I dunno what the vuln is all about but if I get a 50% performance hit from the fix, that shit is getting turned off, at least on my desktop
02:05<Zimsky>run on a sparc
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02:07<FluffyFoxeh>fortunately it only seems to affect synthetic benchmarks, judging from the phoronix tests
02:08<FluffyFoxeh>well "only synthetic benchmarks" meaning that the more organic tests didn't show a big drop
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03:10<Cromulent>so I guess I'm screwed now when running virtual machines in VMWare Workstation on my desktop PC
03:18<Eugene>Have you tried being a towel
03:20<FluffyFoxeh>have you tried being a fox?
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03:22*Woet makes Eugene a towel hat
03:32<Zimsky>every girl instinctively knows how to wrap her hair in a towel
03:33<Woet>Eugene is in fact not a girl
03:33<Zimsky>this is not new information
03:34<Zimsky>thank you for confirming that for us though, woet
03:36<Zimsky>Woet: also
03:37<Woet>Zimsky: don't also me
03:37<Zimsky>Woet: auch
03:41<FluffyFoxeh>und
03:41<Zimsky>und was?
03:41<Zimsky>was ist es, FluffyFoxeh?
03:43<FluffyFoxeh>potato
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03:45<Zimsky>KartoffelFuchs
03:50<@jhaas>Ich kann auch ein bisschen Deutsch sprechen. Wie toll bin ich, ja? B-)
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03:54<Ikaros>Oh dear it just turned German in here, I'm leaving.
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03:56<Zimsky>that's racist
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05:41<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials • [TOP TIP] The Linode Private Network/IP is not private at all <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15638&p=75484#p75484>
05:45<dexterfoo>what IP address is the DNS resolver that I should use for nginx "resolver" setting?
05:49<dwfreed>the same ones listed in /etc/resolv.conf
05:53<dexterfoo>50.116.53.5? does that look right?
06:10<Peng_>Yes. There are a whole bunch others.
06:10<Peng_>I mean, that's one of them, and there are a whole bunch of others.
06:10<Peng_>I'd rather run a resolver locally and configure Nginx to use 127.0.0.1 or ::1 though. :-\
06:12<Zimsky>frogman is right
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06:17<Peng_>linbot: dns6 time.lua.mattnordhoff.net
06:17<linbot>Peng_: 2001:db8:2018:1:3:11:17:16, 127.11.17.16
06:17<Peng_>>:D
06:17<grawity>does fstrim make sense on Linodes
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06:31<gbit>lets all move to ADM now :P
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06:39<@sjacobs>!wx KADM
06:39<linbot>sjacobs: [metar] OBS at KADM: 15.8F/-09C, visibility 10 miles, wind 0.00 mph, chill N/A (altimeter: 30.39) [KADM 031135Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR M09/M12 A3039 RMK AO2 T10931123]
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06:48<dexterfoo>Peng_: how difficult is it to install a resolver locally?
06:49<Peng_>Install? Very easy. Configure? ...Maybe easy. :P
06:49<grawity>install Unbound and it works; you can optionally configure it to use Linode's regular servers as "forwarders"
06:50<Peng_>Even DNSMasq works. :D
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07:28<dwfreed>grawity: probably doesn't pass through properly, so probably not
07:28<dwfreed>re fstrim
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07:32<wassim>I am facing an issue in resizing my linode.. it say that i have to make the free upgrade first from the dashboard, but there's no update available in the dashboard
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07:33<@jackley>wassim: hi! in which datacenter does your Linode live? Tokyo?
07:33<wassim>yes Tokyo
07:34<wassim>linode950249
07:34<@jackley>wassim: upgrades are sold out in Tokyo, but they are available in Tokyo 2. We can help you migrate to Tokyo 2. Do you have a ticket open?
07:35<wassim>i opened a ticket yes: there's the id: 9540745
07:35<@jackley>wassim: thanks! got it. we'll update you in a bit.
07:35<wassim>Thank you Jackley for the support
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08:05<ntenisOT>hello guys
08:05<ntenisOT>does linode offer equinix servers?
08:05<Peng_>What?
08:06<ntenisOT>https://www.equinix.com/
08:06<ntenisOT>access to this network. most financial services are located here
08:07<Peng_>...The Internet?
08:07<grawity>ntenisOT: no, Linode only offers public Internet access
08:07<dzho>oh, is this that whole "use a cloud service to manage your cloud services" thing?
08:07<ntenisOT>thanks a lot
08:08<Peng_>......There's a financial network?
08:10<ericoc>please tell me it’s called moneynet
08:10<dzho>cashcloud
08:11<dzho>of course that turns out really to be a thing, as one would expect, but not what I meant.
08:12<ericoc>hahaha
08:12<ericoc>moneynet apparently is actually a thing as well
08:14<ericoc>https://www.equinix.com/industries/financial-services/ this feels like marketing gibberish
08:17<dzho>best I can tell from the little time and attention I was willing to invest in looking it up, they run datacenters
08:17<dzho>or datacentres, depending on your jurisdiction
08:20<Peng_>Yeah
08:20<Peng_>> Its purchase of TelecityGroup in early 2016 established the company as the largest colocation provider in Europe.[7]
08:20<Peng_>Hey I missed that
08:20<Peng_>So Linode does use at least one "Equinix" data center. :D
08:21<ntenisOT>bullying :)
08:22<Peng_>dzho: Lot of data centers. Lot of Internet exchanges in Equinix data centers.
08:22<dzho>ok
08:23<dzho>in any case, they're not
08:23<dzho>"a network"
08:24<grawity>and in any case, even if the datacenter hosts some fancy private interconnects, afaik you can't really get a Linode VPS attached to those
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08:27<Zimsky>tap straight into an IXP's underground fibre lines and operate off whatever origin prefixes they announce
08:28<Zimsky>it's as easy as making pancakes
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08:30<Neeraj>Hi
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08:31<Peng_>Hi!
08:32*jhaas is scandalized Peng_ didn't leave 19 seconds after saying Hi
08:33<Zimsky>same
08:51<csnxs>petition to ban?
08:52<Zimsky>yes, I also vote to ban csnxs
08:52<csnxs>¬_¬
08:52<Zimsky>┐( ಠ‿ ಠ;)┌
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09:32<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Decentralized Video Broadcasting <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15636&p=75485#p75485>
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09:39<okgoldcoin>anyone there
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09:41<Peng_>Hello
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09:42<okgoldcoin>Hi
09:42<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Linode's Cloudflare DNS Firewall settings <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15637&p=75486#p75486>
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10:12<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Linode's Cloudflare DNS Firewall settings <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15637&p=75487#p75487>
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10:13<basim>my server is down
10:13<basim>[7:10 PM, 1/3/2018] Amjad Shopkees Whatsapp: 104.237.156.198
10:14<smallclone>basim: ok, what happened?
10:14<basim>104.237.156.198
10:14<basim>shopkees.com
10:14<basim>pls help me
10:14<Peng_>The DNS server is responding.
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10:15<basim>then what is the issue?
10:15<Peng_>I don't know, but it's not down.
10:15<Peng_>What is the issue?
10:16<basim>pls check shopkees.com
10:17<smallclone>basim: there's most likely an issue with the glue records you're using to run your own nameservers with cpanel
10:17<smallclone>that's a registrar problem. there doesn't appear to be any issues with your linode, at least from my brief check
10:19<basim>ok
10:19<smallclone>suggestion: don't use cpanel's goofy vanity name server feature. just use your registrar's nameservers or something. having your authoritative nameservers running on the same machine as your website itself is bad.
10:22<Peng_>The DNS setup isn't redundant, but it does seem to be working at the moment.
10:22<Peng_>smallclone: Or use Linode's DNS. :D
10:23<smallclone>yeah i was wrong about that, i used a bad dig option and got some garbled results
10:24<smallclone>^ your dns is ok, and i'm at least getting an error message on your website now
10:24<smallclone>appears to be a magento error
10:25<smallclone>basim: google "Exception printing is disabled by default for security reasons." and you'll see what i mean
10:25<smallclone>looks like there's a few solutions there
10:27<basim>ok
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11:45<derlilima2009>hello
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11:47<derlilima2009>need help to complete my account
11:47<smallclone>if you created an account and it's currently being reviewed, you should wait
11:47<smallclone>that's about all you can do
11:47<derlilima2009>cool
11:48<derlilima2009>ok
11:48<derlilima2009>thx
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11:48<Woet>derlilima2009: does the message not say that?
11:48<derlilima2009>yeah!!
11:48<Woet>so whats your question?
11:52<William>Hi. Should I be concerned about the flaw in Intel processors that was recently discovered?
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11:53<Woet>nope
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11:56<stalin>hi , need to know whether the site backup files will be saved in my linode server? or will be saved in company linode server?
12:00<Zimsky>ask lenin
12:01<smallclone>stalin: if you use the linode backup service, they are stored on linode's infrastructure, in the same datacenter
12:03<smallclone>using the linode backup service doesn't take up any additional space on your vps
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12:18<William>Woet: So you are saying that I should not be concerned for the security of my Linode due to the Intel bug?
12:18<Woet>William: thats what nope means in my language, yup
12:19<William>I do plan on re-keying my TLS this Thursday as I get snowed in anyway.
12:20<Zimsky>chips
12:21<William>But that was part of my HPKP sunset plans before even hearing about the bug.
12:22<William>And I'll consume my last pinned key when Let's Encrypt releases wildcard certificate support.
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12:25<jazzster>What will be the perf impact of the patches for Intel's bug?
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12:35<benjamin>hi , today i made plan migration and i'm facing the downtime often and i couldnt find the reason .,can anyone please help me to solve this
12:35<FluffyFoxeh>cansur
12:36<benjamin>anyone ter?
12:37<Woet>benjamin: maybe if you ask an actual question
12:38<benjamin>i'm facing site down often after plan upgrading
12:38<nate>jazzster: Last percentages I saw range anywhere from 10-40%
12:38<nate>benjamin: Did you make sure the linode came back up after the upgrade/migration? Is it showing as running in your dashboard?
12:38<nate>William: Chrome is dropping HPKP anyways so
12:39<nate>(all because they didn't want to follow spec anyways)
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12:40<benjamin>ya,It is running in dashboard after plan migration
12:40<Woet>benjamin: so SSH in and diagnose it
12:42<benjamin>sry,i don't know abt SSH in ,whether diagnose by restarting?
12:45<nate>benjamin: Are you paying for managed/professional support by chance? If so, file a ticket, this is largely a community support channel.
12:45<@bmartin>benjamin your best bet is to open a support ticket. if you provide the number I can have someone look into it ASAP
12:45<nate>Most linode users are expected to have some general understanding of system administration, otherwise to have managed/professional, so if you don't know how to SSH, I'm guessing you've got the latter? :P
12:47<benjamin>ok , will open a supprt ticket.Thanks
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12:54<Woet>bmartin just loves tickets from unmanaged customers
12:55<@bmartin>I love tickets from all customers
12:55<@bmartin>unless the customers are also cops
12:55<Woet>benjamin: unless you're paying $100/month, your Linode is unmanaged. it means you're in charge of managing and diagnosing issues.
12:55<@bmartin>and the tickets are for speeding
12:55<Woet>bmartin: it's a miracle you even got hired
12:56<Woet>you only make up 4.35% of the staff
12:56<Woet>alphabet wise
12:56<Woet>unless you have a middle name we're not aware of
12:56<@bmartin>Shhhh I don't want them to realize I was supposed to be left behind after the interview process.
12:56<William>nate: Since HPKP won't be retired from Chrome until May, I still have to use pinned keys until the expiry of my last full HPKP header, which was on January 1. Since the expiry is 90 days, I will be freed of HPKP after April 1.
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13:01<Maryom>Hi
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13:01<Maryom>I need a help in this tutorial: https://www.linode.com/docs/databases/hadoop/how-to-install-and-set-up-hadoop-cluster/
13:02<Maryom>In this step: hdfs dfs -put alice.txt holmes.txt frankenstein.txt books
13:02<Maryom>I got the following error: put: File /user/hadoop/books/frankenstein.txt._COPYING_ could only be replicated to 0 nodes instead of minReplication (=1). There are 0 datanode(s) running and no node(s) are excluded in this operation.
13:02<Maryom>Any help ??
13:03<Woet>Maryom: what did you google for so far?
13:03<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • CentOS-6.7: Using the Distribution-Supplied Kernel <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15639&p=75488#p75488>
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13:04<Maryom>I found that it maybe nodes can't communicate with each other
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13:05<Woet>what do the monitoring commands say?
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13:05<Maryom>how can I check the monitoring command ?
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13:05<Maryom>I'm new to Yarn
13:07<Woet>Maryom: follow the tutorial you linked.
13:07<Woet>Maryom: it's mentioned in the previous step.
13:08<Maryom>Overview 'node-master:9000' (active)
13:08<Maryom>Security is off. Safemode is off. 4 files and directories, 0 blocks = 4 total filesystem object(s). Heap Memory used 35.91 MB of 46.22 MB Heap Memory. Max Heap Memory is 966.69 MB. Non Heap Memory used 42.82 MB of 43.56 MB Commited Non Heap Memory. Max Non Heap Memory is <unbounded>.
13:09<Maryom>Configured Capacity: 0 (0 B) Present Capacity: 0 (0 B) DFS Remaining: 0 (0 B) DFS Used: 0 (0 B) DFS Used%: NaN% Under replicated blocks: 0 Blocks with corrupt replicas: 0 Missing blocks: 0 Missing blocks (with replication factor 1): 0 Pending deletion blocks: 0
13:09<Maryom>Do you know why most of the values are 0 ?
13:10<Maryom>I edited all the files to locate memory, but I don't know why values 0 :(
13:13<Maryom>Also, I found that maybe the reason is my data nodes are not running
13:13<Maryom>But all my data nodes are running
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13:15<shibaa987>Hello
13:15<Maryom>Hi, can you help ?
13:15<shibaa987>Oops... I am looking to ask for help !
13:16<Maryom>Lol
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13:16<shibaa987>HI Maryom
13:16<Maryom>Hi
13:17<shibaa987>I am looking to move an existing Wordpress from another hosting to Linode
13:17<Maryom>I don't know
13:17<shibaa987>I don't know if someone is available to help me or not :?
13:17<shibaa987>I understand that you are also looking for some kind of help LOL
13:18<@scrane>shibaa987 Do you have access to rescue mode where your installation is? Or root access to the system?
13:19<shibaa987>I dont have root access to the sustem
13:19<shibaa987>*system
13:19<shibaa987>but why exactly you want me to have root access ??
13:21<armiller>shibaa987: How do you normally access your Wordpress then? FTP?
13:22<shibaa987>I access the wordpress via ssh
13:22<shibaa987>but as a normal user and not root
13:22<armiller>That's fine. If it's wordpress you should be able to copy over your files using SFTP then
13:22<armiller>But you would need to create a Linode and install Wordpress on it first
13:23<armiller>https://linode.com/docs/websites/cms/install-wordpress-on-ubuntu-16-04/
13:23<shibaa987>I have created a Linode
13:23<shibaa987>But I have created a Ubuntu 14.04
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13:23<shibaa987>Do I need to delete the Linode and create a Ubuntu 16.04 for that ?
13:23<armiller>You can just use the "rebuild" button to redeploy with Ubuntu 16.04
13:24<armiller>But the version of Ubuntu shouldn't matter too much
13:24<shibaa987>Okay cool.. Thanks armiller
13:24<shibaa987>Which version of Ubuntu is ideally recommended by you ??
13:24<armiller>16.04 if you are deploying something new
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13:24<shibaa987>okay great then
13:24<armiller>It is the most recent LTS (Long Term Support) out righ tnow
13:24<shibaa987>I will rebuild
13:25<Maryom>armiller can you help me please ?
13:25<armiller>Maybe. What's your question? Just so you know this is a community channel and I'm not a Linode employee
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13:27<armiller>;_; #shunned
13:27<shibaa987>Thanks for clarifying that armiller.
13:27<shibaa987>I am looking to my existing Wordpress from another hosting to Linode
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13:29<intelhardoops>Any discussion about intel hardware bug on linode instances?
13:30<intelhardoops>Could not find any notices on linode site.
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13:36<armiller>intelhardoops: Not that I know of, but that isn't something I would expect them to discuss publicly like that
13:36<armiller>If you're really curious I'd suggest opening a ticket
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13:37<intelhardoops>somebody open a ticket and quest a BLOG response.
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13:38<armiller>I too can tell people what to do, but it doesn't mean it'll happen
13:40<@bmartin>We're still evaluating if this will have any impact on our platform. If any maintenance is required, we'll be sure to let you know.
13:41<@bmartin>intelhardoops ^^ that's where we are right now
13:41<relidy>!point bmartin
13:41<linbot>relidy: Point given to bmartin. (7)
13:41<@bmartin>Yay points
13:43<relidy>It's been interesting reading about the Intel issue. Diving off into hardware/architecture details that I hadn't been aware of previously (not that I have any reason to worry about those details normally).
13:43<armiller>Yeah, it's really interesting and unfortunate at the same time
13:44<relidy>I don't know if anyone's mentioned it here yet, but Ars Technica has a story up about it that's a good read: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/whats-behind-the-intel-design-flaw-forcing-numerous-patches/
13:47<intelhardoops>bmartin: I am assuming you are part of Linode. Make sure you post entries to the BLOG with your official response to this. Ok?
13:47<@bmartin>I can pass it on up the pipeline but I'm the bottom rung of the Linode ladder so I do not have unfettered blog access
13:48<Woet>intelhardoops: why do you capitalize blog?
13:48<armiller>lmao
13:48<intelhardoops>I am in the process of moving over to Linode from Digital Ocean and this helps me plan my transition.
13:48<Woet>intelhardoops: i'm pretty sure Linode will survive without your $5 payment
13:49<intelhardoops>Woet: I am pretty sure you are a smart ass.
13:50<Woet>intelhardoops: at least I don't randomly join IRC channels and boss people around
13:50<@bmartin>intelhardoops I can't speak for intelligent donkeys but we will absolutely post something via our blog and status pages in the event this effects us.
13:50*relidy snickers
13:50<Woet>bmartin: affects *
13:50<@bmartin>You're right.
13:50<intelhardoops>Woet: I will take my marbles and go home then.
13:51<Woet>intelhardoops: cya
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13:51<armiller>!point Woet
13:51<linbot>armiller: Point given to woet. (4)
13:51<Woet>ty ty
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13:59<dexterfoo>have any other cloud providers released a statement?
13:59<relidy>Not that I've seen. Still early yet.
14:01<armiller>Intel hasn't even said anything yet
14:02<@bmartin>^^
14:09<nate>intel has a legal lockdown on the whole thing for the most part
14:10<nate>but the visible linux kernel changes were enough to apparently let people create PoC's already
14:10<synfinatic>legal lockdown?
14:10<synfinatic>seems uh, bogus
14:11<synfinatic>doesn't sound like Intel was the one who figured out the bug? or am i confused?
14:11<synfinatic>but yeah, everyone is keeping their mouth shut to avoid the intelpocolypse
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14:12<armiller>2018 - the year the intelpocolypse started
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14:12<nate>synfinatic: Embargo'd to use the proper term
14:13<nate>Which is why the kernel linux changes, while public, also aren't commented for specifics
14:13<armiller>Yeah, but that's still kind of stupid
14:13<armiller>Seems like that shouldn't be public if it's embargoed in any way
14:13<synfinatic>it's a stupid world
14:15<nate>armiller: well it's an opensource kernel, it'd be a pain if they had to wait until day of the announcement to release it, cause then all the distros would have to scramble
14:15<nate>What's stupid is that this is something they can't fix with a microcode update apparently
14:15<synfinatic>well they can work with the distros
14:15<synfinatic>yeah, that's an "oops"
14:15<nate>the distros are all public source too lol
14:15<synfinatic>can't wait for the new benchmarks AMD is going to put out soon
14:16<nate>besides you really think of all the *nix distros there are (especially security-oriented ones) that it wouldn't end up leaked anyways then?
14:16<synfinatic>distro's have a long history of holding off on security patches until a given date when the bug is announced
14:16<synfinatic>see virtually every CVE impacting linux
14:17<nate>synfinatic: We hardly have a long history of CPU-level vulnerabilities that can be exploited over javascript however, so
14:17<nate>I think it's fair they're treating this one a bit more severe :P
14:17<synfinatic>there is that
14:17<synfinatic>and it's not really a linux/windows bug
14:17<synfinatic>so a lot more coordination
14:18<synfinatic>anyways, I just can't wait for averyone running IO bound workloads wonder why everything is so much slower after applying a security update
14:18<armiller>Rumour is that the impact is much worse for virtualization
14:21<linbot>New news from status: Lish Maintenance in Fremont <https://status.linode.com/incidents/h08xrs5qcpbf>
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14:35<Cromulent>Intel are in trouble if Google, Amazon and Microsoft work together to get some money back from Intel for this
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14:37<synfinatic>yeah, i don't see intel fixing this ala the FDIV bug
14:37<armiller>I'd like to think Intel is in trouble for this no matter what happens
14:37<synfinatic>i'm sure they'll be fine: https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/12/19/intels-ceo-just-sold-a-lot-of-stock.aspx
14:37<armiller>Oh I'm well aware of that story ;)
14:38<Cromulent>yeah I heard about that
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14:38<synfinatic>i'm more interested in seeing what AMD's marketing dept does :)
14:39<Cromulent>bets on when a class action lawsuit happens?
14:39<synfinatic>that said, i think msft/amazon/gce realize they don't want to destroy intel
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14:40<synfinatic>still a few years out before ARM rules the world of general process computing
14:40<Cromulent>oh I didn't mean they would destroy them - just cost them quite a bit of money
14:41<armiller>Between the ME and this, I'm suprised anyone trusts Intel
14:41<Cromulent>what happened with management engine?
14:41<synfinatic>sadly, i don't think you can make amazon/msft/gce whole without destroying intel
14:42<synfinatic>well maybe "sadly" isn't the right word for it
14:43<armiller>Cromulent: Just it's whole existence and everything that happened this year with people disabling it
14:44<Cromulent>ah OK - I'll have to read about that
14:44<armiller>It's not a huge deal by itself (mostly people being paranoid about attack possibilities)
14:44<armiller>But between that and this fiasco I have a hard time trusting them
14:45<Cromulent>the sad thing is I have a new computer on order right now that has an Intel CPU in it - I sent an email to the seller to see if we could work something out
14:45<Cromulent>thankfully it hasn't shipped yet
14:45<armiller>oof
14:45<Cromulent>not sure if I should keep the Intel CPU or switch to AMD
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14:46<synfinatic>i'd personally wait and see how things turn out if I was in the situation (assuming I could wait)
14:47<synfinatic>you can always just wait 6mo and things will be faster/cheaper :)
14:47<Cromulent>yeah but it'll ship before patch tuesday - I guess I could completely cancel but I really need a new computer
14:47<synfinatic>that said, if you were going to buy AMD, do it now, because they'll probably have supply issues soon
14:47<Cromulent>I could switch the i9 7900X for a Threadripper 1950X
14:48<synfinatic>"threadripper"? is that really a thing?
14:48<Cromulent>yes
14:48<synfinatic>lol
14:48<@bmartin>That is a quality name
14:48<armiller>Gotta rip them threads boi
14:48<Cromulent>https://www.amd.com/en/products/ryzen-threadripper
14:48<synfinatic>threadrippers are optimized for downloading boddice rippers and mysteries involving jack the ripper
14:49<Cromulent>16 core / 32 thread
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15:09<Cromulent>https://newsroom.intel.com/news/intel-responds-to-security-research-findings/
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15:12<armiller>"Intel believes its products are the most secure in the world"
15:12<smallclone>i believe i am 7 feet tall
15:13<Cromulent>contact your vendor to make sure
15:13<armiller>That's a pretty weak attempt to deflect heat from Intel's end
15:13<linbot>we're gonna build a wall! and the kernel devs are gonna pay for it!
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15:24<nate>At the very least I'm curious what other products intel will claim are vulnerable if not -just- intel CPU's
15:25<nate>At the very least AMD is claiming it doesn't impact them
15:25<armiller>I think they're trying to point out the ARM patches people mentioned
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18:02<relidy>Google's Project Zero on the CPU-related memory leak: https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2018/01/reading-privileged-memory-with-side.html
18:05<synfinatic>two bugs for the price of one!
18:05<synfinatic>semi-explains the Intel "we're secure as everyone else" which is to say "LOLZ"
18:05<dzho>"Meltdown" and "Spectre" lol
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18:08<synfinatic>should of gone with Spectre and Dr. Evil
18:08<synfinatic>or whatever his evil org was called in austin powers
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18:15<Bdragon>Virtucon Industries.
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18:17<warewolf>man, how was I not in #linode
18:19<warewolf>re: meltdown/spectre - any ETA on reboots for linodes?
18:23<synfinatic>waiting for patches first no doubt
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18:24<warewolf>hearing from a coworker, aws pushed up their reboot deadline from tomorrow to today
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18:26<Peng_>In what time zone? I got pushed from Friday to Thursday UTC.
18:27<warewolf>https://twitter.com/kurtseifried/status/948678487430242304
18:28*Peng_ nods
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18:36<synfinatic>ouch
18:37<synfinatic>that's gonna hurt
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18:50<TheAdmiral>...are we safe from these really fun sounding processor bugs?
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18:54<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • CentOS-6.7: Using the Distribution-Supplied Kernel <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15639&p=75490#p75490>
18:57<@rsyracuse>TheAdmiral: We are aware of the issue and are working through plans to address this on our fleet. We will be notifying any customers soon if we anticipate any maintenance or issues
18:57<TheAdmiral>thanks;) 1 PoC sounds like a kvm can do some things we'd rather not see ;)
19:06<Peng_>rsyracuse: Is the office full of screaming
19:11<@scrane> The office is dark and full of terrors.
19:16<TheAdmiral>basically, and i'm just putting this out there, it appears cloud-based humanity was set back about 50M years.
19:16<TheAdmiral>but we can recover, in time ;)
19:17<TheAdmiral>in the meantime, plant more tall grass.
19:24<TheAdmiral>rsyracuse; no one better to deal with then you folk and remember, the world has ended before, but the details are classified and no one will ever know ;) enjoy!
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19:24<Bdragon>my hair went up when I read "Now, by pointing R8 and R9 at the mapping of a guest-owned page in the physmap, it is possible to speculatively execute arbitrary unvalidated eBPF bytecode in the host kernel."
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19:30<synfinatic>happy 2018 everyone! It's only Jan 3rd and gonna keep getting better! :)
19:33<SleePy>Can't wait to see what can top this security issue this year
19:33<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
19:35<synfinatic>SleePy wait until I tell you how there's this one crazy guy in a big house on the east coast who can start a nuclear war
19:36<SleePy>Justin Trudeau?
19:36<Peng_>Shhhhhh
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19:45<Nick>Hi , whether usage of linode plans will be calculated based on hours?
19:45<@scrane>Hey Nick, So if you have a Linode available on your account, whether it's powered on or off you will be billed hourly upto the maximum amount for that plan.
19:45<synfinatic>yeah, it's per hour. just like it says on the pricing page
19:46<@scrane>You can see what the rates are here: https://www.linode.com/pricing
19:51<Nick>Thanks , actually my site makes much CPU usage because of users , whether I can customize any linode plans by adding CPU separately extra? I'm looking for plans with more CPU core with best price
19:51<@scrane>I'm sorry, we don't offer any customizable plans.
19:52<@scrane>The only ones that are available are the ones on the pricing page.
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19:53<Nick>Any suggestions for other web server with requirement..
19:53<Nick>With my requirement
19:54<SleePy>What does your site do that eats cpu?
19:56<Nick>Site with facebook apps
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19:56<synfinatic>i'd pick a linode with the cpu resources you need
19:57<Peng_>And make stuff use less CPU?
19:57<synfinatic>optimize code? that's crazy talk
19:58<veecious>anyone have a good recommendation for a free ssl ?
19:59<synfinatic>let's encrypt
19:59<synfinatic>pretty much what everyone uses for free ssl nowadays
19:59<Peng_>synfinatic: Developer time is more expensive than CPU time, but if there's low hanging fruit...
20:00<veecious>roger
20:00<synfinatic>for one webserver, probably cheaper to just buy a bigger box
20:00<Peng_>Meanwhile Google probably assigns teams of PhDs to save microseconds. :D
20:01<synfinatic>scale is everything
20:01<synfinatic>didn't take long: https://gist.github.com/ErikAugust/724d4a969fb2c6ae1bbd7b2a9e3d4bb6
20:01<Nick>My team is trying on..,but couldn't make best solution.whether best suggestion is to invest upon developers or high plans is my question
20:01<SleePy>And they are being put to good use right now with that ##% loss for the intel issue
20:01<Peng_>"We did all that work and Security wants to reduce performance 10%!?!?!"
20:02<SleePy>Nick: I would invest in automation of adding/removing vms as needed. During slower times you spindown and remove nodes you don't need, during peak hours you add nodes
20:03<synfinatic>Nick deciding to throw engineers or hardware at a problem is something you'll have to figure out for yourself. generally speaking though, a good start is if you're spending more $$$ on hardware then developers, throw devs at it. If more $$$ on devs then hardware, throw hardware
20:03<synfinatic>but as always, "it depends"
20:04<Nick>I already spend much upon developers now let me try to spend on hardware.thank u guys
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20:07<bmcorum>anyone used the block storage beta feature yet?
20:08<bmcorum>could not find any documents covering a pricing scale for additional volumes
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20:08<Peng_>It was free during beta. They were planning to start charging January 1 but I'm not sure that's actually happened yet.
20:09<Peng_>I think the future price was documented.
20:09<Peng_>Ah, I was misleading. it's still beta.
20:09<bmcorum>Do the have an idea of what they plan to charge
20:10<bmcorum>I have looked into AWS S3 and Google Cloud
20:10<Peng_>I'd prefer not to say something that might be inaccurate.
20:10<Peng_>Oh, I remembered right. Website says $0.10/GB.
20:11<SleePy>I think it was moved to Feb 1 for paying
20:11<Peng_>Ah
20:11<SleePy>I never got around to trying it. I think it required me to move my billing over to hourly. Don't want to loose my discount!
20:12<bmcorum>Ah...well still looks like S3 is going to be my cheapest bet
20:12<Peng_>S3 is very different from block storae.
20:13<SleePy>https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=15333 <-- Says there Feb 1
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20:13<Peng_>SleePy: Oh. Thanks. I just had that open but didn't scroll down. :D
20:13<synfinatic>yeah S3 != block storage
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20:14<bmcorum>So I need to store and retrieve lots of PDFs via API so probably do not want block storage
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20:15<bmcorum>Only want to pay for the space I actually consume
20:17<bmcorum>Thanks for the information
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20:25<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Is Linode affected by Meltdown or Spectre? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15641&p=75492#p75492>
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20:31<tommy>hi guys im getting the error (98)Address already in use: AH00072: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80
20:32<tommy>how would one fix this problem?
20:32<Bdragon>stop existing webserver before starting new one.
20:35<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Is Linode affected by Meltdown or Spectre? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15641&p=75493#p75493>
20:37<armiller>So uhhh... how is everyone's CPUs holding up
20:46<@sjacobs>does linbot share blog posts? they are so rare, that i seem to have forgotten...
20:46<@sjacobs>https://blog.linode.com/2018/01/03/cpu-vulnerabilities-meltdown-spectre/
20:48<Peng_>sjacobs: linbot should post it soon I think
20:49<linbot>New news from blog: CPU Vulnerabilities: Meltdown & Spectre <https://blog.linode.com/2018/01/03/cpu-vulnerabilities-meltdown-spectre/>
20:49<@sjacobs>thanks linbot.
20:53<Eugene>Wishlist: alternate-CPU-architecture Linode hosts ;-)
20:53<millisa>pinode?
20:54<Eugene>Scaleway does that baremetal thing with individual ARM nodes.
20:55<Eugene>Atom boards can be netbooted or whatever, and there's enough SKUs available nowadays that you can even have a fast one
20:55<Eugene>Why not Linodes?
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21:07<nate>Issue with spectre is nobody can really do anything about it yet
21:08<millisa>did I miss the explanation of why their logo is a ghost holding a twig?
21:08<Peng_>Speculative = Spectre
21:08<Peng_>Branch prediction = tree brancg
21:09<Peng_>I guess
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21:09<Peng_>Horrible security vulnerability = horrible puns
21:09<Bdragon>if you want to avoid spectre, you need to go back to something without out of order execution.
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21:09<Bdragon>so... yeah..........
21:09<Peng_>Quick buy a 2012 Intel Atom on eBay
21:09<millisa>I got the ghost part. It was the twig that was throwing me
21:10<Eugene>"ghost shaking a scary stick at you" is the impression I got
21:10<Eugene>Artistic license?
21:10<millisa>"The name is based on the root cause, speculative execution. As it is not easy to fix, it will haunt us for quite some time."
21:10<Eugene>second definition of spectre is: something widely feared as a possible unpleasant or dangerous occurrence.
21:10<Eugene>It seems fitting
21:11<Peng_>And it's liekly to be around for years
21:13<Eugene>Its an amazing combination of layers of code execution - javascript that triggers CPU bugs.
21:14<Eugene>The root of my astonishment is that the classic principle of CompSci - that a processor is mostly bug-free - is so obviously wrong. These are billion-transistor monoliths
21:15<Eugene>s/the/a/
21:17<Bdragon>it's not even a bug, it's exploiting a side effect
21:19<Eugene>Its a leak between Rings of the worst sort
21:30<Zimsky>s p a r c
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21:31<Zimsky>as long as the bug doesn't affect my TI-89, I'm fine.
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21:31<pharaun>risc-v tbh
21:32<Zimsky>risc-y behaviour
21:33<pharaun>ricer-y
21:33<Zimsky>welcome to the risc fields mofo
21:35<Yaazkal>so everyone in meltdown mode?
21:36<Bdragon>not even worrying about meltdown, compared to the end of the world as we know it that is spectre
21:37<Yaazkal>:)
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21:46<ry>hi
21:46<millisa>greetings
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21:46<Zimsky>hi millisa what's up
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21:47<millisa>I was comparing a gif of a fish saying no to a gunnery sergeant at a football game in 2013.
21:47<Zimsky>hahaha well I'll see you wednesday
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21:48<millisa>But today is . . .
21:48<millisa>almost over!
21:49<tmberg>Anyone else seeing: http://www.pool.ntp.org/scores/2a01:7e01::f03c:91ff:fefb:bebb ?
21:51<Zimsky>tmberg: it's a link to the ntp pool site
21:51<Zimsky>hop in, the water's lovely
21:51<Peng_>tmberg: What do you mean?
21:51<Peng_>Oh
21:52<Zimsky>the frogman found something in the pool
21:52<Zimsky>how fitting
21:54<tmberg>Zimsky: Peng_ Yeah. Linode IPv6 is not "feeling" good. :(
21:54<Zimsky>maybe someone weed in the pool
21:54<Guest1024>does anyone want to help me get postfix working on lubuntu?
21:55<Guest1024>I'm desperate and willing to pay
21:55<Zimsky>I don't even want to get postfix working on my own servers
21:55<Zimsky>there's plenty of guides around I'm sure you can find
21:55<Guest1024>yeah, but I'm an idiot and like it when people hold my hand
21:56<Zimsky>c'est la vie
21:56<Guest1024>i have been through the guides, I guess it's something simple
21:58<millisa>a more specific question might have a better chance of getting a useful response.
21:59<Guest1024>if it wouldn't be a bother I perhaps could start with a pastebin link to my main.cf file?
21:59<Guest1024>I can't be specific at the moment, because I don't have any errors visible and i'm a bit lost at what I did wrong
22:00<millisa>if you want to pastebin whatever, folks will probably look. but you'd have to give a hint what you are trying to do with postfix
22:01<Guest1024>just trying to get the test email to send out to know it's working
22:01<Guest1024>https://pastebin.com/raw/4DtRbVUP
22:01<Guest1024>the linux VM is on my home NAS, on it's own local static IP, not sure if I needed to indicate that somewhere during config. my hostname is spax.co
22:02<millisa>That looks like it's on a ramnode ip
22:02<Guest1024>crap I have relayhost setup, not blank like it is there btw
22:02<Guest1024>that was just the default IP
22:03<Zimsky>if you're running stuff from a residential ISP, be sure to check they're not blocking inbound SMTP ports
22:03<Zimsky>they like doing that now
22:04<Guest1024>I have this smtp stuff working on a windows VM so I would think not
22:04<Guest1024>relayhost = [smtp.gmail.com]:587, not blank like in the link btw
22:07<millisa>I'm still trying to decipher the bit about the vm on your home nas. where does linode fit in with what you are trying to do?
22:07<Guest1024>yeah that is true, I'm not even using linode, only arrived here because there was a postfix guide on the website
22:08<Guest1024>i shall try spending more time with postfix guides and perhaps see what i've missed
22:08<Zimsky>lol
22:08<millisa>well, off the top of my head, providers are picky about the forward needing to match the reverse needing to match the hostname used in the helo/ehlo
22:09<Guest1024>thanks for the ideas!
22:09<millisa>but there should be some hint in the mail log if they are denying it due to that.
22:10<tmberg>Guest1024: http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/
22:10<@mcintosh>tmberg: ipv6 looks okay to me on a few linodes i checked - could you open a ticket?
22:16<Peng_>Not unheard of for the NTP Pool monitors to have routing issues.
22:17<Peng_>Hadn't heard of issues with Linode before though.
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22:45<tmberg>mcintosh: Just did a reboot. At least i can ping it now. Maybe that automagically solved it. :)
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23:19<postfixproblems>hello... do these lines from my system log reveal anything useful about my postfix setup?
23:20<postfixproblems>Jan 4 05:09:26 spax postfix/pickup[15310]: F2035C35: uid=1000 from=<mike@spax.co> Jan 4 05:09:26 spax postfix/cleanup[16264]: F2035C35: message-id=<20180104040926.F2035C35@spax.co> Jan 4 05:09:27 spax postfix/qmgr[15311]: F2035C35: from=<mike@spax.co>, size=322, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jan 4 05:09:27 spax postfix/local[16266]: F2035C35: to=<mike@spax.co>, relay=local, delay=0.21, delays=0.13/0/0/0.07, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (deli
23:20<postfixproblems>Jan 4 05:20:03 spax postfix/local[16337]: 50D194C1: to=<mike@spax.co>, orig_to=<mike>, relay=local, delay=0.22, delays=0.16/0.01/0/0.05, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command: procmail -a "$EXTENSION") Jan 4 05:20:03 spax postfix/qmgr[15311]: 50D194C1: removed
23:20<retro|blah>!p
23:20<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at https://bpaste.net/ and not in the channel
23:21<postfixproblems>:) https://bpaste.net/raw/b37bdca90922
23:25<@jhaas>those lines look normal; are you having a specific issue?
23:25<@sjacobs>looks like it was sent. anything in your mailbox?
23:28<postfixproblems>I commented out the procmail thing and have
23:28<postfixproblems> /0.01/0/0.04, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to mailbox) Jan 4 05:27:47 spax postfix/qmgr[16725]: AB623C35: removed
23:29<postfixproblems>nothing in the mike@spax.co
23:29<postfixproblems>reading online that the removed thing might be important
23:29<millisa>That looks like it delivered locally.
23:30<@sjacobs>removed means it was removed from the mail queue. the line before it says it was sent successfully.
23:35<postfixproblems>relay=local
23:35<postfixproblems>meaning it's staying locally i guess
23:36<postfixproblems>i'll try a different email to send to hmm
23:37<postfixproblems>oooo
23:37<postfixproblems>voila
23:37<postfixproblems>so uh if your website is spax.co, don't send your test email to spax.co
23:38<millisa>http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#mydestination
23:38<millisa>your earlier pasted conf had: 'mydestination = linux, spax.co, linux, localhost.localdomain, localhost'
23:39<millisa>(you probably don't want to leave myhostname set to just 'spax.co' either)
23:40<postfixproblems>ugh i'm so clueless
23:40<postfixproblems>whatever, anyways, mikespax@gmail.com forwards to my proper email, so it should be all good now, thanks!
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