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#linode IRC Logs for 2018-01-04

---Logopened Thu Jan 04 00:00:34 2018
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00:20<veecious>yes
00:24<veecious>should i force a redirect from http to https via htaccess or virtual config files
00:24<Zimsky>yes
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00:25<veecious>do you think jesus could take a poop so big that he himself could not flush it?
00:25<Zimsky>yes
00:25<veecious>do you think Trump is doing a good job?
00:26*jhaas sits back waiting to judge zimsky's character
00:26<Zimsky>yes, at being one of the worst leaders of any nation in history
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00:26<veecious>fair enuff
00:27<veecious>I still feel like we are living in some kind of bad snl parody
00:27<Zimsky>s/we are/I am/
00:28<Zimsky>my country is doing rather fine
00:29<veecious>Where do you live Norway?
00:29<Zimsky>sometimes
00:30<veecious>under the sea?
00:32<Zimsky>I lived on a submarine for a week one time
00:32<veecious>that sounds fun
00:34<Zimsky>you would think so
00:35<veecious>I would try (most) anything once
00:39<Zimsky>could you try being indefinitely silent
00:39<Zimsky>it would garner the utmost respect and admiration
00:39<Woet>wow
00:40<Woet>jhaas: Zimsky is being very toxic
00:40<Woet>+b is needed
00:40<Zimsky>one's terrorist is another's freedom fighter
00:40<veecious>oops i messed up
00:41<Zimsky>Woet: I think there are other forces at work here
00:42<Zimsky>I have a suspicion the presence of The Frog is the cause of this unrest
00:43<Woet>the only unrest is you
00:44<Zimsky>I sleep roughly every 32 hours so that makes sense
00:45<zifnab>anyone know if spectre/meltdown are actually patched on ubuntu upstream y et?
00:47<Zimsky>probnot
00:47<veecious>yes
00:47<Zimsky>no
00:48<veecious>can i pay my linode bills with coins yet?
00:48<veecious>nop
00:49<Zimsky>I wonder if there's anything stopping me from just turning up at the NJ office with a wad of cash and paying that way
00:49<veecious>all these coins and nothing to spend them on :/
00:49<veecious>probably nothing it's legal tender
00:50<@jhaas>Zimsky: We can only hope and pray
00:50<Zimsky>it might be legal tender, but businesses can still reject it
00:50<veecious>better to do it in pennies though to prove a point
00:50<Zimsky>as far as I know, the whole legal tender "must be accepted" thing is bollocks
00:50<veecious>In certain situations it is
00:51<veecious>For example if your car gets towed you can legally pay in pennies and they have to accept it
00:51<Zimsky>and it depends whether it's a casual business transaction or a debt repayment
00:51<Zimsky>lol no one could tow my car
00:51<veecious>Im saying in the general sense
00:52<Zimsky>I'm saying no one could tow my car
00:52<veecious>Do you not have a car?
00:52<Zimsky>jhaas: if I lived in the same city I'd try it
00:53<Zimsky>veecious: not in the conventional sense
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00:53<Zimsky>that quit message sounds like my internal dialogue
00:53<veecious>Yea i know what you mean I only own a helicopter myself
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01:04<Zimsky>I don't own a helicopter yet
01:06<dwfreed>veecious: fun fact: there is no law that requires anybody to accept cash for payment
01:07<dwfreed>indeed, you will find that increasingly businesses are forgoing accepting cash
01:08<veecious>If it's a debt or payment to a federal institution or government, they do. Otherwise, it depends on the state law.
01:09<dwfreed>"Under the law, United States money as identified above is a valid and legal offer of payment for antecedent debts when tendered to a creditor. By contrast, federal statutes do not require that someone who is not a pre-existing creditor must accept currency or coins as payment for goods or services. Private businesses may formulate their own policies on whether to accept cash unless state law requires
01:09<dwfreed>otherwise."
01:10<Zimsky>is it defined in statutory law or has there been a precedent that would establish a requirement?
01:11<veecious>ofcourse private business can refuse any form of payment
01:11<Zimsky>golf course private businesses can get tax exemptions
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01:14<veecious>Is that like a law trump wants to pass?
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01:14<Zimsky>it's pre-trump dynasty
01:15<Zimsky>veecious: ever listen to 5 hours of circus music while sorting lemons by discolouration?
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01:15<veecious>ccan't say I have
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01:17<veecious>I did spend 5 hours once doing a programming test for an interview.
01:17<Zimsky>pretty sure everyone in here has done that
01:18<Zimsky>except all the ops and oftc opers, because staff can't code
01:18<veecious>5 hours though
01:18<veecious>that's excessive
01:18<@sjacobs>did it in any way involve lemons?
01:18<Zimsky>I spend 10 hours writing code some days
01:18<Zimsky>I don't even eat
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01:19<Zimsky>5 hours isn't all that much really
01:19<veecious>Sure but you're paid for that time
01:19<Zimsky>lol, no I'm not
01:19<@jhaas>is he paid in coin?
01:19<veecious>he might be
01:19<Zimsky>she's paid in research grant
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01:20<veecious>hey you want to code something for me for free then
01:21<Zimsky>yeah so how about no
01:21<beest>what if we feed you
01:21<Zimsky><Zimsky> I don't even eat
01:21<beest>no, i mean physically feed you while you code
01:21<veecious>I'll throw some coins dogecoins your way
01:21<@jhaas>http://synbioconsulting.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Grant-Cycle.png
01:22<Zimsky>^
01:24<veecious>you should build some dapps
01:24<veecious>maybe something with cats
01:24<veecious>people love cats
01:25<Toba>maybe this question is already answered.. but has linode done anything to mitigate against the recent "meltdown" and "spectre" attacks?
01:25<Toba>erm, vulnerabilities.
01:25<@jhaas>Toba: short answer no, long answer https://blog.linode.com/2018/01/03/cpu-vulnerabilities-meltdown-spectre/
01:25<dwfreed>see the blog
01:25<Toba>thx
01:26<Zimsky>jhaas is monitoring all cpu instructions and their parameters for attacks
01:26<FluffyFoxeh>this whole thing pisses me off
01:26<Toba>oh same, FluffyFoxeh
01:26<Zimsky>why?
01:27<FluffyFoxeh>because now I'm faced with a choice of either poor performance, poor security, or replacing most of my hardware
01:28<Toba>replacing with what exactly at this point, as well.
01:28<FluffyFoxeh>yeah, spectre affects everything too
01:28<Toba>it's not like there's a bunch of chips on the shelf you can go buy with a label on them reading 'not royally fucked'
01:28<@jhaas>zimsky: you see irc, I see https://media3.giphy.com/media/v7WM6sLcnGIc8/giphy.gif
01:29<Toba>the next branch i predict in this conversation is a woman in a red dress
01:29<Toba>i could be wrong though, but you've all fetched her to mind anyway
01:29<beest>for the last time, i'm not putting on the dress
01:29<Toba>I don't blame you I don't think it would look good on me either
01:30<veecious>I mean intel/amd knew of these vulnerabilities for some time now
01:31<beest>so have a lot of other people, that's why we're just hearing about it now when we have patches waiting
01:31<Eugene>Every night I'm a towel
01:31<Toba>I'm not convinced everything is actually patches waiting at this point
01:32<Toba>if by waiting you mean 'I can go install something' and at least some of the variants/instances of the spectre one has no direct fix without new hardware I thought
01:33<veecious>Well at least the hackers computers will also be vulnerable
01:33<FluffyFoxeh>yeah let's hack the hackers
01:36<Ikaros>Speaking of
01:36*Ikaros runs off to continue his savegame on Hacknet >:D
01:38<Zimsky><Toba> the next branch i predict in this conversation is a woman in a red dress
01:38<Zimsky>I've been here this whole time
01:38<Zimsky>the only glitch in the matrix is when Eugene is suddenly a washcloth
01:40<Toba>if you think really hard a washcloth is very similar to a dress
01:40<Zimsky>in that they contain atomic structure?
01:41<Bdragon>guaranteed that you either wipe all of your face, or none of it....
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01:42<Pooi>hello
01:42<Pooi>where can i find the plans for windows hosting?
01:42<Pooi>cant seem to find it
01:42<Zimsky>nowhere
01:42<Peng_>!winode
01:42<linbot>It is possible to run Windows on !kvm Linodes. Here's a set of unofficial instructions: https://github.com/linode/docs/pull/501
01:42<dwfreed>^
01:42<Peng_>Pooi: Linode doesn't have plans for Windows. You can unofficially run Windows on every Linode plan, but you won't be able to get official support.
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01:43<FluffyFoxeh>I did it the other day
01:43<Pooi>peng so how do we install windows on it?
01:43<dwfreed>see the link linbot gave
01:43<FluffyFoxeh>[01:42:38] <linbot> It is possible to run Windows on !kvm Linodes. Here's a set of unofficial instructions: https://github.com/linode/docs/pull/501
01:43<Eugene>They're cotton based intelligences
01:44<Pooi>ok coolt
01:44<Peng_>It's the best operating system. The partly patched the [screams] in November right
01:44<beest>sentient absorbency
01:44<Pooi>thanks
01:44<Peng_>They*
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03:26<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Linode's Cloudflare DNS Firewall settings <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15637&p=75495#p75495>
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03:41<Woet>Eugene: don't turn toxic like Zimmedon
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03:41<Woet>or Zimsky for that matter
03:41<Woet>this is a safe space
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03:56<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Is Linode affected by Meltdown or Spectre? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15641&p=75496#p75496>
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04:49<sjacobs>ay yai yai.
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04:51<sjacobs>i'm always losing my op status.
04:51*sjacobs checks under couch cushions.
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04:57<@sjacobs>found it.
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05:05<Ikaros>Ok. That was not cool.
05:06<Ikaros>Only freaking network that does that.
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05:44<Maryom>Hi
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05:44<Maryom>Does anyone know what this error means ?
05:44<Maryom>hdfs.DataStreamer: Caught exception java.lang.InterruptedException at java.lang.Object.wait(Native Method) at java.lang.Thread.join(Thread.java:1252) at java.lang.Thread.join(Thread.java:1326) at org.apache.hadoop.hdfs.DataStreamer.closeResponder(DataStreamer.java:927) at org.apache.hadoop.hdfs.DataStreamer.endBlock(DataStreamer.java:578) at org.apache.hadoop.hdfs.DataStreamer.run(DataStreamer.java:755)
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05:53<Peng_>!wx ksfb
05:53<linbot>Peng_: [metar] OBS at KSFB: 30.2F/-01C, visibility 10 miles, wind 8.06 mph, chill 22.62F (altimeter: 30.08) [KSFB 040953Z AUTO 28007KT 10SM CLR M01/M06 A3008 RMK AO2 SLP186 T10061056]
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05:54<Ikaros>!wx kdfw
05:54<linbot>Ikaros: [metar] OBS at KDFW: 28.4F/-02C, visibility 10 miles, wind 4.60 mph, chill 23.25F (altimeter: 30.33) [KDFW 040953Z 34004KT 10SM FEW250 M02/M07 A3033 RMK AO2 SLP273 T10171067]
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05:54<Ikaros>Heh. Funny thing, we actually stayed below freezing for 3 consecutive days+nights. Wednesday was the first day we actually managed to break the freezing mark
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05:55<Ikaros>And of course it got me sick WITH the cold (unrelated, I know, I mean weakened immune system means cold virus enters and makes life miserable)
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06:24<Neeraj>Hi Guys! If I buy Linode 24GB plan, the bandwidth I get with it is 16TB. Is that in and out traffic combined? And what happens after I use everything. How will I be charged for addition usage?
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06:24<Peng_>Out
06:25<Peng_>The overage fee is $0.02/GB
06:25<Peng_>It would be cheaper to buy a second Linode, even if you don't turn it on. Though timing it right is tricky.
06:26<Neeraj>If I opt for a monthly plan and kill my linode in between, will I be charged for complete month?
06:26<Peng_>No
06:27<Peng_>Wait, what do you mean by monthly plan?
06:27<Peng_>There aren't separate monthly plans (anymore).
06:27<Neeraj>$160 / mo ($.24 / hr)
06:27<Neeraj>From the pricing section.
06:27<Peng_>It's not two plans. It's just two ways of describing one plan.
06:28<Neeraj>So basically it is all hourly which they have changed to monthly for us.
06:28<Peng_>If you have it half a month, you'll pay about $80.
06:28<Peng_>It's all hourly, but they show the "monthly" price so you don't have to get out a calculator to understand the website. :)
06:28<Neeraj>:0
06:28<Neeraj>:)
06:28<Neeraj>Thank you @Peng_!
06:29<@jhaas>Neeraj: also keep in mind bandwidth is hourly too
06:29<@jhaas>so if you have that 24G linode for half a month you'll only receive 8TB of quota
06:29<Neeraj>Ahh!
06:29<Neeraj>I missed that
06:29<Peng_>(There is a fee cap, though. Otherwise you would pay a little more than $160 in months with 31 days.)
06:30<Neeraj>Thanks @jhaas.
06:31<Neeraj>@Peng_ Fee cap as in we can put a limit?
06:31<@jhaas>he meant if you do the math, the hourly rate comes out a few dollars over our posted monthly rate
06:31<Peng_>No. I just mean that, if you have the Linode the whole month, it only costs $160. Even though a 31 day month could cost $179, calculated hourly.
06:32<Peng_>You get a few free hours and save $19. :D
06:32<Neeraj>Ok
06:32<Peng_>It's very simple and very complicated :D
06:33<Neeraj>Can I put spend limits on my server? Say if I don't want my bill to exceed 180$, I put a limit of 180$ on that server. Is there something like that?
06:34<Peng_>Not really.
06:34<Neeraj>Ok. Thank you guys! Appreciate your help.
06:35<neo^>Bandwidth allocation is hourly? What rate?
06:37<Peng_>Whatever your plan is, divided by the number of hours in a month.
06:38<Neeraj>One last thing guys, say if I used my 16TB in first 15 days. Then I decide to kill the server. Now will I be charged 80$ + the charge for extra 8TB * 0.02$/GB or a flat fee of 160$.
06:39<Peng_>The former.
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06:40<Neeraj>Ok.
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06:46<Neeraj>Also can we create/customize plans?
06:46<Peng_>No
06:48<Neeraj>Can we add extra resources to existing linode? For e.g. I want to add extra 16TB transfer to my linode 24G. In total 32TB but for the extra 16TB, I want to pay less. I don't want to pay the 0.02$/GB rate. Is that possible?
06:50<Peng_>You could buy 16 Linode 1GBs. You don't even have to turn them on. :P
06:50<Peng_>(Transfer limits are pooled.)
06:52<Neeraj>Ok so only one of my linode can use all 16TB of all other linodes and I won't be charged anything extra. Cool! :)
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07:17<linbot>New news from forum: Sales Questions and Answers • Can you use a prepaid / debit card to pay for service ? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=6407&p=75497#p75497>
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07:28<yarrumk>quick question from client if anyone can help
07:28<@jhaas>ask away
07:28<yarrumk>they want to know geographic address of Newark and London datacentres
07:29*jhaas looks into that
07:29<yarrumk>we've explained (finger puppet method) about virtualisation, but they have some insurance document they need to fill out a line on
07:30<yarrumk>@jhaas cheers
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07:35<@jhaas>yarrumk: I'm pretty sure we can provide that, you'll just have to ask via ticket
07:36<yarrumk>ahh no problem, I'll open on e now
07:36<yarrumk>ahh no problem, I'll open one now
07:36<@jhaas><3
07:36<yarrumk>cheers
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07:38<Peng_>Those two are public anyway. :P
07:38*Peng_ checks notes
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07:39<videsh>hey
07:39<Peng_>Well, I didn't write down London's address, but I could Google it. :P
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07:40<videsh>dw
07:40<Peng_>It's on the front page of the brochure.
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07:44<@jhaas>Peng_: Oh? Is it publicly available somewhere?
07:44<Peng_>I mean, the address is in teh data center operator's brochure.
07:44<Peng_>The name of the data center is in Linode's old blog post. :P
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07:48<@jhaas>huh....
07:48*jhaas double checks internal policy stuff and bothers some people
07:48<@bmartin>hrm
07:48<Peng_>Y'all didn't used to keep that secret.
07:49<Peng_>It got vague with Tokyo and top secret after that. :P
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07:50<Peng_>It was harder to hide when you didn't use your own ASN. :P
07:52<chesty>it got vague because the earth is really flat and tokyo doesn't exist, at least not where on the "globe" people think it exists
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07:59<sandeep>just to stop gojira from finding it
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09:10<Thristan>Hi
09:11<@jackley>Thristan: hi!
09:11<@bmartin>Hello Thristan!
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09:31<Zimsky>bmartin, jackley, I think greetings are scaring them
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09:39<armiller>Two ops greet them and they still run away
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09:39<@bmartin>:(
09:39<armiller>People these days don't know how good they got it
09:44<@nmelehan>I think it was the exclamation points
09:44<@nmelehan>no need to yell
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09:46<warewolf>jfc
09:47<warewolf>198.50.102.248/29 needs to diaf
09:50<smallclone>that kind of stuff is probably reason 1,001 why companies move their public channels to slack
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09:52<nyuszika7h>idk about Slack but Telegram groups are also spammed
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09:54<smallclone>it'd be a bit more work to spam a slack channel, but also someone can just go back and remove junk like that
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09:56<sandeep>Don't email if you think this is in error?
09:57<Woet>i'd run too if bmartin said hi to me
09:57<Zimsky>bmartin: see, that's how you should greet people
09:58<Zimsky>casually invite them round for a discussion about the re-enslavement of niggers.
09:59<Woet>can someone ban Zimsky? use of the n word.
09:59<Zimsky>I never said freen***
10:00<Zimsky>smallclone: you can edit past things people have said in slack?
10:00<hdb2>Woet: agreed.
10:00<Zimsky>are there client-side options to ignore those edits?
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10:01<@jfred>I don't believe there are, but I haven't specifically checked
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10:01<Woet>fortunately there are client-side options to ignore Zimsky
10:01<Zimsky>go for it lad
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10:01<Woet>already did
10:01<Zimsky>did you?
10:01<Woet>i did
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10:02<Zimsky>I think this speaks for itself
10:02<smallclone>Zimsky: yes. although slack does tend to have some pretty weak moderation options in other areas. afaik there's no client-side options to ignore these removals.
10:03<smallclone>however the end result is nice for businesses that don't want endless scrollback of racial slurs in their channel
10:03<Zimsky>smallclone: the concern isn't so much about spam (a natural and inevitable part of the internet), but rather censoring stuff people say
10:03<smallclone>erm...not to imply that linode *does*
10:03<Zimsky>you never implied that
10:03<Zimsky>rather, it was never inferred
10:04<smallclone>i prefer not to leave things open to interpretation in here
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10:05<smallclone>i'm still thinking of the guy that thought linode's docs were bad because they were in a public GH repo
10:05<smallclone>people are idiots
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10:05<Zimsky>I find it brings about interesting discussions by leaving things open to interpretation
10:05<Zimsky>I like to see what people say about things
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10:09<Zimsky>Woet: which films do you find lacking in originality?
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10:49<@gjjansen>Whoa. Did I see armiller in here?
10:56<armiller>Mayhaps you did
10:58<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Moving a website to https <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15642&p=75498#p75498>
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11:55<AlexMax>How is linode handling the intel bug?
11:56<relidy>AlexMax: https://blog.linode.com/2018/01/03/cpu-vulnerabilities-meltdown-spectre/
11:57<AlexMax>thanks
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12:20<bgtech>my payment loss 50$ in your webs ite
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12:21<@bmartin>Hey bgtech I'm sorry I don't fully understand what you're saying. What happened on our site? Did you sign up?
12:23<bgtech>we register in your account and deposite 50 usd add fund
12:23<bgtech> but not login now
12:23<@bmartin>We can't discuss account specifics here but if you can email support@linode.com with the last 6 digits of the credit card on file someone can look into this for you.
12:25<dwfreed>bmartin: tell caker happy birthday for me
12:25<@bmartin>Dewing
12:26<@bmartin>it has been done
12:26<@bmartin>From the man himself "nice! thanks!!"
12:26<dwfreed>\o/ thanks
12:26<@bmartin>that is service right there
12:26<@bmartin>HBaaS
12:26<dwfreed>Google+ reminded me
12:28<bgtech>user name bgtech
12:28<bgtech>check
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12:29<@bmartin>bgtech please email the information to support@linode.com with the last 6 digits of the card on file so we can look into it for you. As this is a public channel I cannot share more information.
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12:30<armiller>@bmartin: He is 2quick4u
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12:38<tony>I have a problem with my website only my home page is resolving all other urls will give me a not found error
12:39<@bmartin>Do you have a support ticket open currently
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12:39<tony>it seems like it's trying to serve a directory file instead of the actual page
12:40<tony>no I do not
12:40<@bmartin>Can you go ahead and open one and then pass the ticket number in here and we can have someone take a look. tony
12:41<tony>Ok will do
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12:50<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
12:52<@bmartin>this is true
12:53<synfinatic>i thought there was a day or two a month ago i heard a nasty rumor it wasn't
12:54<@bmartin>Fake News
12:54<synfinatic>wow. I'm watching these guys blow in fiberglass insulation in my walls and they're not wearing masks as it snows fiberglass
12:55<dzho>ugh
12:55<@bmartin>Sounds like a bad idea
12:55<dzho>but hey who needs unions, amirite
12:55<synfinatic>i would think so. but uh, they're like "the experts"
12:55<dzho>I'm sure they are.
12:55<Bdragon>meh, I saw a documentary once where cubans were making brake pads for old cars. By hand. With asbestos.
12:56<synfinatic>"seemed like a good idea at the time"
12:58<nate>If you listen to trump, it still is (he's been talking about how abestos being bad is fake news and wants to bring it back)
12:58<synfinatic>can't wait for him to bring back lead in gas
13:00<synfinatic>or many school cafeterias should start feeding lead paint chips as part of a well balanced meal
13:00<synfinatic>*maybe
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13:46<microvb>i sense some patching coming soon :) --- https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/04/intel_amd_arm_cpu_vulnerability/
13:49<Ikaros>Mmm...I might be happier without it.
13:50<Ikaros>Especially on my personal machines here at home.
13:50<Bdragon>Meltdown is panic patch time, but Spectre is... a fundamental breakdown in the fabric of reality....
13:51<Ikaros>'cause y'know, software-level only puts a bandaid on it, it doesn't really fix the problem permanently...and I'm just not comfortable mucking with the microcode of a damn processor
13:51<Cromulent>thankfully in the UK we have consumer protection laws that last for 6 years after purchase for faulty or damaged goods - it will be interesting to see if consumers can get their money back on Intel CPUs
13:52<Ikaros>Would they consider the unit faulty for that? I wouldn't.
13:53<Cromulent>Ikaros: I think anything that has been marketed a certain way that does not live up to the marketing is counted
13:53<Bdragon>Faulty? for Meltdown, possibly. For Spectre, what do you propose replacing it with? Architecture designers are going to have to back to the drawing board.
13:54<Cromulent>https://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/regulation/sale-of-goods-act
13:57<Toba>new update on spectre
13:57<Toba>https://www.pcworld.com/article/3245508/components-processors/intel-responds-to-the-cpu-kernel-bug.html
13:57<Toba>a week of no patches is horrifying though
13:57*Toba crawls under desk , cries
13:58<nate>... so that means there is a microcode fix to meltdown as well despite the initial claims there weren't?
13:59<Toba>i don't know
13:59<Toba>i think this one is about spectre
13:59<Toba>"software and firmware"
13:59<Toba>I think software patches are for meltdown and firmware ones are for spectre
13:59<Toba>but I could be wrong.
14:00<Bdragon>by software they also might mean "recompile absolutely everything with a compiler that nerfs indirect calls"
14:00<nate>well the patches for meltdown are already out and done, weird that intel would say to look for ones from them in the coming week(s)
14:00<Bdragon>or whatever
14:00<Toba>i suppose it might, yeah
14:00<Toba>which means legacy software is just fucked
14:00<Toba>granted, running EOL shit is fucked to start with
14:00<Toba>but more fucked
14:00<Toba>good point ntae
14:01<Bdragon>well the meltdown patches are more protecting the kernel from userspace, but yeah
14:02<Bdragon>Get used to slow computers.
14:03<armiller>muh 30%
14:03<Bdragon>that's just the beginning of it.
14:04<Toba>i don't think 30% is an average figure
14:04<Toba>i think that's worst case in a gnarly benchmark
14:04<Toba>it's worse, on older cpus
14:04<Bdragon>that's just the meltdown mitigation.
14:04<Toba>so if you have a brand new cpu, they managed to semi optimize the meltdown patch
14:04<Toba>yea
14:04<armiller>I can pretend it's the average to get extra outraged though ;)
14:04<Bdragon>spectre is gonna be way worse
14:04<Toba>but older ones it can be worse
14:04<Toba>intel is claiming it's not that bad
14:04<Toba>but they also wrote that BS press release
14:04<armiller>Of course they are
14:04<Toba>so
14:04<Bdragon>intel is sweating blood.
14:05<Toba>giant grains of salt
14:05<Toba>all over that
14:05<synfinatic>seems worse for heavy syscall (IO for example) rather then compute heavy workloads
14:05<Bdragon>intel is gonna get REAMED for the meltdown bits of it
14:05<Bdragon>but spectre is the truly scary one.
14:06<armiller>I find that compute heavy workloads are pretty atypical (in my experience). Everyone's running databases and is gonna get booty bothered because IO
14:07<Bdragon>yeah, postgresql list has some preliminary benchmarks of the kpti stuff
14:08<Bdragon>expect a lot of websites to get a lot slower for a while
14:08<synfinatic>lots of admins for AWS/Azure/GCE are probably wondering why all their VM's are CPU maxed out today
14:08<armiller>Or alternatively every website starts paying more for CPU to compensate
14:09<Toba>that's all well and good if you run on a public cloud. pay more money and you're kinda fine
14:09<Toba>but, not so much on those of us who don't...
14:09<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Configuring ports? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15643&p=75501#p75501> || General Discussion • Moving a website to https <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15642&p=75500#p75500> || Linux Networking • Linode's Cloudflare DNS Firewall settings <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15637&p=75499#p75499>
14:09<synfinatic>you can delay your patching
14:09<Toba>that's a faustian bargian right there - "hey, this stuff is insecure, to make it slightly more secure-ish, buy more of the same insecure stuff"
14:09<Toba>true, it's more of a local root exploit in those scenarios
14:09<synfinatic>pretty much
14:09<Toba>but still, defense in depth designs are no longer very deep.
14:10<Bdragon>time to put certs in HSMs everywhere.
14:10<synfinatic>well, people who thought VM's were isolation are a bit surprised
14:10<Toba>Looking forward to shortages of those in stock, Bdragon ...
14:10<Bdragon>indeed, indeed.
14:10<Bdragon>That and 2011 atom machines ;)
14:10<Toba>yeah, VMs have had about 100 CVEs
14:11<synfinatic>reminds me of back in the 90's when I realized 3Com switches allowed you to jump vlan's just by knowing the MAC address of a box on the other vlan
14:11<Toba>so anyone who thinks they're 100% safe there is missing some facts in their brain compartments
14:11<armiller>All hail the Atom, the sole survivor of the Intelocylpse
14:11<Toba>so yeah
14:11<synfinatic>turns out they only filtered broadcasts :)
14:11<Toba>wow
14:11<Bdragon>synfinatic: oh, that's fun...
14:11<Toba>that's lame
14:11<Bdragon>3com: "What's a static arp entry again?"
14:11<synfinatic>realized it when our Sun box running checkpoint firewall-1 kept on complaining about spoof attempts
14:12<synfinatic>because Sun had this "cool feature" where all the nics on a Sparc box by default had the same MAC
14:12<synfinatic>o_O
14:12<Bdragon>broken HME?
14:12<synfinatic>"as designed"
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14:12<Bdragon>linux kernel had some famous swear words about the HME adapter
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14:15<synfinatic>at lesat there was a bios (or whatever sun called it in sparc land... I forget) feature to use unique mac addrs
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14:16<Bdragon>it used an early open firmware iirc
14:16<Bdragon>so basically a forth interpreter
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14:16<synfinatic>oh really? didn't realize that
14:16<synfinatic>was an E250
14:17<linbot>New news from kernels: Latest 32 bit (4.14.11-x86-linode110) <https://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1515092834#137> || Latest 64 bit (4.14.11-x86_64-linode91) <https://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1515092799#138> || 4.14.11-x86-linode110 <https://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1515092185#272> || 4.14.11-x86_64-linode91 <https://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1515092182#271>
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14:21<microvb>sorry for the delay, i agree, a soft patch is really just masking the problem from the user. it still doesn't correct all the software ever compiled anywhere on affected processors. additionally, the discovery (aka ratting out on AMD by Intel) of Spectre is a doozy as it implies deliberate implementation.
14:22<microvb>kind of makes you wonder what else is lurking in microcode deliberately.
14:26<Bdragon>it does not imply deliberate implementation. Has nothing to do with microcode, it has to do with branch prediction and out of order execution which cpus have been using to eke out performance gains since ~1995
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14:27<Bdragon>Nobody cared about timing attacks until relatively recently.
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14:43<marekw2143>hello, if buying 5$ plan, shoudl I pay for one year, or month-by-month?
14:43<Spectrefied>i wonder when linode will patch their hypervisors. time to buy dedicated server?
14:43<Spectrefied>isn't 1 year cheaper?
14:44<millisa>marekw2143: It's hourly billed at the end of the month (or when you hit one of their thresholds) https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-payments/#how-hourly-billing-works
14:44<synfinatic>yeah, there isn't a 1yr option
14:45<marekw2143>millisa: I'd like to host ASP.NET Core MVC application
14:45<marekw2143>does hourly billing mean, only when SErver will process request- only it will be billed?
14:45<millisa>if you have the know how to get a linux server going to do that, go for it
14:46<Spectrefied>when did they remove monthly/yearly billing?
14:46<millisa>years ago?
14:46<Spectrefied>:s
14:46<Spectrefied>i must still be on legacy billing
14:46<millisa>there are still some holdouts
14:47<marekw2143>btw, Spectrefied , you think linode's servers won't be patched ?
14:47<millisa>but some of the new services and linode sizes won't let you provision with the older style billing (at least not until you hit the convert button)
14:47<Spectrefied>no they'll be patched. i was just curious since i saw new kernels posted on the kernel page
14:47<Spectrefied>i'll save my reboot for when they need to reboot the host
14:48<millisa>They mentioned there'd be more info in the blog post - https://blog.linode.com/
14:49<millisa>marekw2143: as for what you get billed for - you get billed for a linode for as long as it's provisioned. it doesn't matter if it is even powered on. if it's provisioned, you get billed for it.
14:49<marekw2143>ok
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14:55<kahara>hi, i am trying to edit the php.ini files but no effectis being seen
14:56<Bdragon>don't forget to restart your webserver or php-fpm as applicable
14:56<dwfreed>^
14:56<Bdragon>php only reads it on startup.
14:56<Bdragon>(and by webserver I mean apache/nginx/lighttpd/whatever daemon you use)
14:57<dwfreed>typically the only time the webserver counts is when you're using mod_php with apache
14:59<Bdragon>yeah
14:59<kahara>am using nginx
15:02<Bdragon>in that case, yeah it's probably a php-fpm setup
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15:04<ALok>hi
15:04<millisa>hi
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15:04<ALok>I want to buy new server but have 1 question
15:04<millisa>!ask
15:04<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
15:04<ALok>I need 3 ips as I want to run 3 domains
15:04<millisa>you don't need 3 ips to run 3 domains.
15:05<ALok>but if i need more ips - can i buy from linode and add to my server
15:05<millisa>they require technical justification.
15:05<millisa>!ip
15:05<millisa>!ips
15:05<linbot>Each Linode comes with 1 public IPv4 address and 1 public IPv6 address. Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1 per month, and require technical justification. A /64 or /56 of IPv6 can be routed to your Linode at no charge.
15:05<ALok>make sense
15:05<ALok>thx
15:06<ALok>any discount for new comer
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15:06<millisa>Check out the getting started guide. https://linode.com/docs/getting-started/ there might be something there.
15:07<ALok>ok thx
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15:12<kahara><bdragon> hi, please advise on how to go about the php-fpm setup
15:12<Bdragon>usually something like service php-fpm restart or service php7.0-fpm restart or something similar. Depends on your OS and what versions of stuff you use.
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15:13<Bdragon>you can probably figure out the daemon name with something like 'ps aux | grep php'
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15:17<kahara><bdragon> yah its wrked, thanks a bunch!
15:17<Bdragon>no problem
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15:48<diveyez>jhaas: When is this reboot going to happen?
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15:54<armiller>diveyez: You'll get a ticket once they know
15:55*diveyez drowns out armiller with bass music
15:56<diveyez>I have the ip's of the bots that are running vuln scripts on those exploits btw
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18:29<bfoote>does linode have a sense of when they will be communicating a plan or update re: Meltdown and Spectre?
18:29<millisa>there was an update not too long ago on https://blog.linode.com/
18:31<bfoote>thanks
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18:41<millisa>hi
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19:20<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Tmobile Signin <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15644&p=75510#p75510>
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19:22<josephcocoa>Hello everyone!
19:22<josephcocoa>so am I understanding correctly that the backups and snapshots that linode does are not block based but are file based?
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19:25<millisa>"The backup system must be able to mount your filesystem. The backup system operates on files, not at the block level." https://www.linode.com/backups
19:25<josephcocoa>so far as snapshots are concerned then
19:25<josephcocoa>they arent really point in time are they?
19:25<josephcocoa>if it's file based?
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19:27<josephcocoa>meaing, my backup that starts at midnight for example
19:27<josephcocoa>might contain changes and such throughout the duration it takes to make the backup
19:28<millisa>it should be consistent, but it won't necessarily be 'clean' for things like a mysql data file.
19:29<millisa>I think https://linode.com/docs/platform/linode-backup-service/#limitations is probably relevant
19:29<millisa>(the last bullet is probably what applies most to your Q)
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19:30<josephcocoa>ok
19:30<josephcocoa>i'm more accustomed to zfs snapshots and such
19:30<josephcocoa>so i'm just wanting to understand as best I can
19:30<josephcocoa>:)
19:30<josephcocoa>i really apprecaite you pointing me the right direction
19:30<josephcocoa>i was finding lots of forum posts from my google hunting, but nothing that really laid it out so well
19:30<josephcocoa>thank you so much!
19:31<millisa>sure thing. there's a fair number of good docs in that section
19:32<josephcocoa>ok, i've hit a snag
19:32<josephcocoa>(i had a snapshot running)
19:32<josephcocoa>i'm wanting to restore this snapshot to a brand new linode that I've made
19:33<josephcocoa>but it isn't showing in the list
19:33<josephcocoa>both linodes are of the same size
19:33<josephcocoa>any ideas why my brand new linode woudn't be an option?
19:33<millisa>same datacenter?
19:34<josephcocoa>i thought so, but let me check
19:34<josephcocoa>ah ha!
19:34<millisa>it won't do a restore to a different dc. (you *can* restore to a local, then use the 'clone' function to get it out to another dc that way)
19:36<josephcocoa>yeah, the linode that they had ordered and wanted me to restore to was in GA with the source being in TX
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19:36<josephcocoa>it'd be cool to do cross datacenter restores though
19:36<josephcocoa>:)
19:37<millisa>yeah. but doing the intermediary linode then cloning is easy enough.
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19:38<millisa>reference for that: https://linode.com/docs/platform/disk-images/clone-your-linode/
19:40<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • DNS with Google domain <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15603&p=75511#p75511>
19:41<josephcocoa>yeah
19:41<josephcocoa>the cloning looks simple
19:41<millisa>if you can handle zfs snapshotting, i'm sure you can handle cloning a linode.
19:42<josephcocoa>indeed :)
19:42<josephcocoa>i just like being lazy
19:42<josephcocoa>:P
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19:58<josephcocoa>welp, restore in progress
19:58<josephcocoa>talk w/ you all later! thanks again!
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21:36<FluffyFoxeh>!blog
21:36<linbot>FluffyFoxeh: CPU Vulnerabilities: Meltdown & Spectre <https://blog.linode.com/2018/01/03/cpu-vulnerabilities-meltdown-spectre/> || Fall 2017 Events <https://blog.linode.com/2017/09/14/fall-2017-events/> || 2017 Summer Events <https://blog.linode.com/2017/07/13/2017-summer-events/> || Linode Network Backbone <https://blog.linode.com/2017/06/27/linode-network-backbone/> || Linode turns 14! (2 more messages)
21:37<Peng_>Oooh, fall 2017 events!
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21:38<baimafeima>Hi what are you current plans regarding meltdown and spectre? Shall we wait with signing up for new accounts until your infrastructure is patched?
21:39<FluffyFoxeh>https://blog.linode.com/2018/01/03/cpu-vulnerabilities-meltdown-spectre/
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21:40<linbot>New news from forum: Sales Questions and Answers • Datacenter Amsterdam <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15645&p=75513#p75513>
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21:57<Ikaros>Ooh so they're working with Scaleway (among others). That's another provider I'm with. Just moved my instances to their patched kernel, just need them to do their round of hypervisor patching and I'm set there.
22:01<Peng_>I wonder why they're not working with DigitalOcean :D
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22:02<Minh_Pham>hi
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22:03<millisa>hi
22:03<Minh_Pham>Anybody
22:03<millisa>Everybody!
22:04<Minh_Pham>I have a question
22:04<millisa>!ask
22:04<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
22:04<Minh_Pham>for access console ssh on your server
22:05<millisa>Is that a question?
22:06<Minh_Pham>How I can settup con job on your server
22:06<dzho>cron, not con
22:06<Minh_Pham>ýe
22:06<Minh_Pham>yes
22:06<dzho>spelling it right will help with searches
22:06<millisa>https://linode.com/docs/tools-reference/tools/schedule-tasks-with-cron/
22:07<dzho>it's your server
22:07<dzho>Minh_Pham: what operating system are you using on your linode
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22:08<Minh_Pham>Yes, I tried it
22:08<Minh_Pham>But have a issue
22:08<Minh_Pham>http://prntscr.com/hw98zm
22:08<Minh_Pham>You can see its that
22:09<Minh_Pham>How I log out it
22:11<dzho>ESC ESC ESC :q!
22:12<dzho>hit those keys
22:12<dzho>https://www.cs.colostate.edu/helpdocs/vi.html
22:13<Minh_Pham>ok, thanks
22:13<Minh_Pham>its working nw
22:14<dzho>good
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22:26<Ikaros>Hm. I see an updated kernel.
22:27<Peng_>Where?
22:29<millisa>https://www.linode.com/kernels
22:29<millisa>latest has a date of today
22:29<Peng_>And an upstream release date of... yesterday?
22:30<Peng_>I thought Linux was still arguing about what to do yesterday
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22:38<millisa>looks like it is from a couple days ago.
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22:41<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • DNS with Google domain <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15603&p=75514#p75514>
22:41<Ikaros>Hm.
22:42*Ikaros gets on writing the network-wide email for the IRC network he's staffing on
22:44<Ikaros>Heh. I've also dug into my own Windows registry and found that the microcode revision shown by Windows differs from the one listed by the BIOS. So I suppose Windows has been shipping microcode updates for my own processor for some time since I first got this system.
22:47<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
22:49<Eugene>Ikaros - yes; CPU microcode updates are commonly & routinely distributed via the OS. Most Linux distributions have a package lime `amd64-microcode` or `intel-microcode` to do this
22:49<Zimsky>you should dig into something else
22:49<Eugene>There are CPU errata all the dang time for much less/more interesting things. Spectre is a cool name, though
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22:54<Ikaros>Heh.
22:55<Peng_>Eugene: Depends on your definition of interesting
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22:57<Woet>Peng_: he finds towels interesting, it's a low bar
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23:01<Zimsky>it smells like cheddar betwixt my toes
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23:03<Peng_>!unpoint Zimsky
23:03<linbot>Peng_: Point taken from zimsky! (8)
23:04<Zimsky>!towel peng
23:04<linbot>Zimsky: Point taken from peng! (19)
23:04<Zimsky>!towel woet
23:04<linbot>Zimsky: Point taken from woet! (3)
23:04<Zimsky>just for fun
23:04<Woet>wtf
23:04<Woet>Peng: you owe me a point
23:04<Zimsky>gonna need an op here
23:04<Eugene>MEDIC
23:04<Zimsky>woet and peng are about to rip eachother's genitals off
23:05<Zimsky>!untowel Eugene
23:05<Eugene>It's !lick
23:05<Zimsky>no linbot you can't pm me
23:05<Zimsky>!lock Eugene
23:05<linbot>sure I can
23:05<Zimsky>!luck Eugene
23:05<Woet>first person to ever pm you i'm sure, Zimsky
23:06<Zimsky>first person to ever pm me was JamesTK I think
23:08<Peng_>...
23:08<Peng_>!unpoint Zimsky
23:08<linbot>Peng_: Point taken from zimsky! (7)
23:08<Zimsky>!towel peng
23:08<linbot>Zimsky: Point taken from peng! (18)
23:08*Zimsky shrug
23:09<Zimsky>if this channel was an english pub, you could probably make a hilarious tv series out of it
23:10<@jhaas>!unpoint jhaas
23:10<linbot>jhaas: Point taken from jhaas! (-9)
23:11<Zimsky>actually, I'm almost tempted to write a screenplay
23:13*jhaas was feeling left out
23:13<Zimsky>why past tense?
23:15<@jhaas>because you just interacted with me
23:15<@jhaas>;)
23:15<FluffyFoxeh>because we were writing a novel on IRC and we used past tense
23:15*FluffyFoxeh smiled
23:15<@jhaas>!unpointed jhaas
23:21<Zimsky>by the skin of your teeth
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