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| 00:48 | <MJCS> | For the past few days I have been getting higher than usual ping to my teamspeak server as well as some fun bit of packet loss. I am not sure if it on Linodes end or on my stupid ISPs. Can someone take a look at this paste and let me know? https://vomitb.in/shCegcBYi6 |
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| 00:49 | <Manoj> | Hello |
| 00:50 | <Woet> | MJCS: did you try a different IP in a similar location not hosted by Linode? |
| 00:51 | <MJCS> | Do you have any up in Northern California that I can ping |
| 00:51 | <Manoj> | No |
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| 00:52 | <Woet> | i'm sure AWS and DO do |
| 00:52 | <Woet> | see what i did there? |
| 00:52 | <Woet> | hehehe. |
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| 00:53 | <MJCS> | yeah |
| 00:53 | <MJCS> | hehe |
| 00:53 | <MJCS> | problem is all of the AWS ips I can find dont have the ping port open |
| 00:55 | <Woet> | if only they had a massive list of test IPs that comes up when you google "aws test ips" |
| 00:59 | <MJCS> | No packet loss to 13.52.0.2 in NoCal |
| 00:59 | <MJCS> | *NorCal |
| 00:59 | <Woet> | run a long MTR to both at the same time |
| 00:59 | <Woet> | also, theres no packet loss on your paste either |
| 01:00 | <MJCS> | There is from home to linode at 173.230.159.1 |
| 01:00 | <Woet> | 173.230.159.1 is not your linode. |
| 01:00 | <MJCS> | I know |
| 01:00 | <MJCS> | its just before it |
| 01:00 | <Woet> | a.lns3.mjcsstudios.net is your linode |
| 01:00 | <Woet> | theres no packet loss. |
| 01:00 | <Woet> | you should not attempt to read MTR reports if you're not sure what they mean |
| 01:00 | <Woet> | there will always be packet loss to the hops in between |
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| 01:00 | <Woet> | they are routers |
| 01:01 | <Woet> | they have more important things to do than reply to ICMP |
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| 01:01 | <Woet> | it's only relevant when there's packet loss at the destination |
| 01:01 | <MJCS> | TeamSpeak is reporting 37ms ping with 13.17 packet loss. Normally I have 20-23ms ping and 0 packet loss |
| 01:01 | <Woet> | okay, so you'll have to run the MTR for a long time |
| 01:01 | <MJCS> | Sound is garbled |
| 01:01 | <Woet> | so it actually picks up on that packet loss |
| 01:01 | <Woet> | because your MTR doesn't show any |
| 01:02 | <murty> | Heyo! Curious about how to get some account support :) Apologies if this is the wrong place! |
| 01:02 | <MJCS> | OK now the MTR shows 18% packet loss at my linode. |
| 01:02 | <Woet> | MJCS: show the output of both MTRs |
| 01:02 | <Woet> | murty: this is a community channel |
| 01:02 | <@sjacobs> | murty: if it is specific to your account, it would be best to open a support ticket. |
| 01:02 | <Woet> | murty: official support includes tickets / email / phone |
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| 01:04 | <MJCS> | https://vomitb.in/UN81tE7HGs |
| 01:10 | <Woet> | "long running" is not 43 seconds |
| 01:10 | <Woet> | and wheres the AWS one? |
| 01:11 | <Woet> | it also shows sudden loss to "atlantis.mjcs.local" in comparison to the first one |
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| 01:24 | <MJCS> | Woet: I enabled ping response from my router so here is a long running paste: https://vomitb.in/D3wvsbsA8J |
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| 01:24 | <Woet> | [14:10:35] <Woet> and wheres the AWS one? |
| 01:24 | <MJCS> | working on it |
| 01:24 | <Woet> | you need to have them running side by side |
| 01:25 | <Woet> | running them after each other is pointless |
| 01:26 | <MJCS> | running them |
| 01:29 | <MJCS> | https://vomitb.in/Xk52EM2KN6 side by side |
| 01:30 | <Woet> | now you can open a ticket with that and they can investigate |
| 01:30 | <Woet> | seems like you have a bad neighbor or something |
| 01:30 | <Woet> | i recommend keeping both MTRs running for a while (like 1+ hour) |
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| 01:51 | <Castro> | hi |
| 01:51 | <millisa> | greetings |
| 01:51 | <Castro> | i changed my linode plan from 20GB to 96GB |
| 01:52 | <Castro> | but still its shwoing 20GB disk space in my SSH |
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| 01:52 | <millisa> | Were you following this guide: https://linode.com/docs/platform/disk-images/resizing-a-linode/ ? |
| 01:53 | <millisa> | (step 7 is the bit you are probably skipping) |
| 01:53 | <Castro> | ok then if i follow the guide, everything will work fine right? |
| 01:54 | <Castro> | and it won't affect my existing running system right? |
| 01:54 | <millisa> | Other than shutting it down to resize the disk? |
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| 01:56 | <millisa> | (All the steps for a disk resize are in more detail here: https://linode.com/docs/platform/disk-images/disk-images-and-configuration-profiles/#resizing-a-disk ) |
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| 02:08 | <Zimsky> | the worst neighbour would be woet |
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| 02:14 | <hms> | hi |
| 02:14 | <millisa> | hi |
| 02:14 | <Woet> | hi |
| 02:14 | * | dcraig tickles millisa around a bit with a large spiny eel |
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| 02:14 | <hms> | i am looking to setup a server |
| 02:14 | <millisa> | Sounds good to me |
| 02:14 | <Woet> | congrats |
| 02:14 | <hms> | have bought ypur basic configuration |
| 02:15 | <Woet> | Sounds good to me |
| 02:15 | <hms> | how tought is it to install wamp and cpanel |
| 02:15 | <millisa> | !cpanel |
| 02:15 | <linbot> | Install cPanel on CentOS: https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/cms/cpanel-on-centos Linode does not sell cPanel licenses, but it's provided free to Linode Managed customers: https://www.linode.com/managed Or try a free panel like Webmin: https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/cms/webmin-control-panel Or just use the command line: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/linode-beginners-guide/ |
| 02:15 | <Woet> | its very tough to install wamp |
| 02:15 | <Woet> | seeing as it runs on Windows |
| 02:16 | <dcraig> | you can totally run windows on linode |
| 02:16 | <dcraig> | don't let woet trick you |
| 02:16 | <Woet> | i think thats a bannable offense |
| 02:16 | <Woet> | ops? |
| 02:17 | <hms> | do i need to purchase whm |
| 02:17 | <millisa> | If you want to do a LAMP setup without cpanel, there are lots of guides here: https://linode.com/docs/web-servers/lamp/ . There's also some LEMP guides https://linode.com/docs/web-servers/lemp/ |
| 02:17 | <hms> | i am new to this |
| 02:17 | <Woet> | hms: you don't need to, no |
| 02:17 | <Woet> | hms: wouldn't it have been a good idea to look into this before buying? |
| 02:18 | <dcraig> | nah |
| 02:18 | <dcraig> | linodes are such a great value |
| 02:18 | <dcraig> | get it now and then explore |
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| 02:19 | <hms> | my current hosting provides me a "file lock " feature which changes the file permission to 0000 |
| 02:19 | <hms> | so no one can access the files |
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| 02:19 | <hms> | have you heard if a thing like this |
| 02:19 | <millisa> | sounds like an odd way to go about it |
| 02:19 | <Woet> | nope |
| 02:20 | <dcraig> | you can change file permissions on linodes :D |
| 02:20 | <hms> | it only gives a read only permission execpt to the cache dir |
| 02:20 | <hms> | any ways let me try to install it my self and see |
| 02:21 | <hms> | will keep troubling you :-) |
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| 02:32 | <mmcer> | hello. |
| 02:32 | <millisa> | hi |
| 02:32 | <mmcer> | does linode support BBR? |
| 02:33 | <millisa> | broken beyond repair? |
| 02:33 | <@sjacobs> | as long as your kernel supports it. it isn't enabled on the Linode kernel, but it is easy to switch to your distro's kernel and enable it. |
| 02:34 | <mmcer> | i use linux 4.9.56-x86_64-linode87 |
| 02:34 | <@sjacobs> | https://linode.com/docs/tools-reference/custom-kernels-distros/run-a-distribution-supplied-kernel/ |
| 02:35 | <@sjacobs> | once you switch, you should be able to use any guide you find for your distribution to enable it. |
| 02:35 | <mmcer> | yes, i know we can choose GRUB2 |
| 02:36 | <mmcer> | but does this feature can build-in like linux 4.9.56-x86_64-linode87 |
| 02:36 | <mmcer> | the string text "linux 4.9.56-x86_64-linode87" looks like more official |
| 02:37 | <@sjacobs> | it's possible, but the distro kernel is going to be easier. |
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| 02:38 | <@sjacobs> | i'm sure your distribution's kernel is quite official. |
| 02:38 | <mmcer> | i know linode maintain its own kernel |
| 02:39 | <mmcer> | that is the reason why i want to ask linode add this good feature into kernel. |
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| 02:39 | <mmcer> | because i don't know the difference between linux 4.9.56-x86_64-linode87 and GRUB |
| 02:40 | <mmcer> | if i choose GRUB 2, i will lost somefetures? |
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| 02:43 | <@sjacobs> | what features do you need? you can always see what the linode kernel was build with using `zcat /proc/config.gz` |
| 02:44 | <@sjacobs> | fwiw, i boot all my linodes grub2 with their distro kernel. as new releases for distributions come out, it is going to be the default. |
| 02:44 | <Woet> | sjacobs: can you get me some mates rates? |
| 02:44 | <Woet> | i wont tell anyone |
| 02:45 | <@sjacobs> | no. |
| 02:45 | <mmcer> | can someone tell me the difference about GRUB2 and linux 4.9xxxxxx |
| 02:45 | <Woet> | wow |
| 02:45 | <Woet> | thats why i prefer the ops starting with J |
| 02:45 | <Woet> | they're much nicer |
| 02:45 | <@sjacobs> | that's why we hire more of them. |
| 02:45 | <Woet> | you're a second tier J |
| 02:45 | <mmcer> | ????? |
| 02:45 | <Woet> | mmcer: this is a community channel |
| 02:46 | <Woet> | mmcer: we're not here just to answer your questions |
| 02:46 | <@sjacobs> | mmcer: that would depend what distribution you are running. (you should upgrade 4.9 anyway) |
| 02:46 | <@sjacobs> | https://blog.linode.com/2018/01/03/cpu-vulnerabilities-meltdown-spectre/ |
| 02:46 | <@sjacobs> | ^ you should reboot into latest if you are using the linode kernel. |
| 02:47 | <mmcer> | sorry, i mis-understanding this is linode official feedback channel. |
| 02:47 | <Woet> | its not |
| 02:47 | <Woet> | its just a chat channel |
| 02:47 | <Woet> | that happens to be mostly about linode |
| 02:49 | <mmcer> | thanks a lot, i already upgrade my node to the latest version. |
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| 02:53 | <@sjacobs> | i'm very much looking forward to distro kernels by default. |
| 02:54 | <millisa> | i'm looking forward to not having the chili's baby back ribs song stuck in my head because I had to look up 'bbr' |
| 02:54 | <FluffyFoxeh> | sjacobs: is that a thing that's going to be happening? |
| 02:55 | <@sjacobs> | FluffyFoxeh: it's already the case for ubuntu 17.10 and fedora 27. |
| 02:56 | <FluffyFoxeh> | I see |
| 02:56 | <@sjacobs> | it's being changed per distro when an image for a new major version is released. |
| 03:03 | <FluffyFoxeh> | So is Linode eventually going to stop providing kernels then? |
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| 03:05 | <@sjacobs> | i don't know the long term goals. a huge majority of linodes are on the linode kernel, though, so that doesn't seem likely. at least not anytime soon. |
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| 03:07 | <FluffyFoxeh> | alright |
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| 03:12 | <Zimsky> | is it? |
| 03:12 | <Zimsky> | is it, FluffyFoxeh? |
| 03:27 | <hawk> | sjacobs: Isn't the more urgent thing to fix the hosts? |
| 03:28 | <@sjacobs> | hawk: the blog post has the details regarding what is being done on that front. |
| 03:30 | <Zimsky> | !wx UEEE |
| 03:30 | <linbot> | Zimsky: [metar] OBS at UEEE: -38.2F/-39C, visibility 9999 miles, wind 4.47 mph, chill -54.19F (altimeter: 30.297762558) [UEEE 090800Z 29002MPS CAVOK M39/M43 Q1026 R23L/490150 NOSIG RMK QFE761] |
| 03:30 | <Zimsky> | !wx YSSY |
| 03:30 | <linbot> | Zimsky: [metar] OBS at YSSY: 73.4F/23C, visibility 7000 miles, wind 37.98 mph, chill 73.54F (altimeter: 29.884342796) [YSSY 090816Z 18033G49KT 7000 2500S TSRA FEW010 BKN035 SCT050CB 23/22 Q1012] |
| 03:38 | <hawk> | sjacobs: The microcode itself is available directly from Intel? But I guess that approach is not desirable for whatever reason? |
| 03:40 | * | grawity greps `lscpu` for PCID |
| 03:40 | <grawity> | good, at least that's present |
| 03:40 | <Ikaros> | Speaking of, not sure how I'd do microcode on my personal PC tbh. OEM does not look to offer it nor will they it seems. |
| 03:41 | <hawk> | Ikaros: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/27337/Linux-Processor-Microcode-Data-File is there, if you want it. |
| 03:44 | <Ikaros> | Hm |
| 03:44 | <Ikaros> | Ok cool I can place that on my home server at least. |
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| 03:46 | <@sjacobs> | hawk: i don't have enough details to give a good answer on their plans regarding any microcode updates. |
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| 03:47 | <@sjacobs> | looks like i'll be using that download link to patch my home computer tomorrow, though. |
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| 03:47 | <hawk> | sjacobs: I just noted that as the article says the status is that you are waiting on microcode updates. |
| 03:48 | <hawk> | I don't know if that means someone just doesn't know or if there is an actual reason to wait. |
| 03:49 | <@sjacobs> | like i said, i'm not sure about the details. i'm not involved in any of the planning/patching. |
| 03:51 | <Ikaros> | hawk, I'm assumimg that microcode download is the one with the microcode fixes for the exploits? The date kinda caught me off guard a bit. |
| 03:51 | <hawk> | I believe that is the right one, at least. It fits the timeline, I think? |
| 03:52 | <Ikaros> | Unfortunately, my personal PC runs Windows. So I'm probably SOL |
| 03:52 | <@sjacobs> | https://betanews.com/2018/01/08/microsoft-meltdown-spectre-patch-bricks-amd-pcs/ |
| 03:53 | <Ikaros> | Of course it does. >.> |
| 03:53 | <grawity> | Ikaros: afaik, at least Meltdown can't be fixed via microcode anyway |
| 03:56 | <Ikaros> | grawity yeah I know. I have Microsoft's software patch for that installed already and their PowerShell script shows I'm protected. Unfortunately, that same script shows the Spectre protections, while installed, are disabled due to lack of hardware support. |
| 03:57 | <Ikaros> | Spectre though I believe was reported to be the more difficult to exploit than Meltdown, if I remember right |
| 03:57 | <hawk> | Ikaros: Apparently there is an additional update. Not sure of the direct intel link, but https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/intel-microcode_3.20171215.1.tar.xz includes it |
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| 05:07 | <Kashif> | Hello |
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| 05:10 | <Kashif> | I have develop a project in wordpress |
| 05:10 | <Kashif> | but permalinks are not working |
| 05:10 | <Kashif> | is there any solutions for it? |
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| 06:51 | <neo^> | Did Ubuntu patch meltdown/spectre? |
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| 06:52 | <dwfreed> | no, they're leaving critical vulnerabilities unpatched |
| 06:53 | <dwfreed> | but unless you're using the distro kernel, it doesn't matter whether they've fixed it or not |
| 06:54 | <neo^> | Ok, but all other Ubuntu systems out there must be vulnerable. What is taking so long? |
| 06:55 | <dwfreed> | i was being sarcastic |
| 06:55 | <@sjacobs> | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown |
| 06:55 | <@sjacobs> | there's a note. |
| 06:56 | <dwfreed> | I would have thought the "critical" bit would have given that away |
| 06:57 | <Eliz> | dwfreed: lol |
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| 06:58 | <neo^> | Ok, updated 4.4 kernel is on the way. |
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| 07:00 | <@sjacobs> | 4.4 isn't getting patched. |
| 07:00 | <@sjacobs> | sorry. |
| 07:00 | <@sjacobs> | i was wrong. |
| 07:00 | <Woet> | as usual |
| 07:00 | <@sjacobs> | it is. my eyes jumped over it with all the 4's. |
| 07:00 | <Woet> | thats why I only trust the J folk |
| 07:01 | <neo^> | Debian developers were quick in patching their kernel. https://www.debian.org/security/2018/dsa-4078 |
| 07:04 | <Peng> | > We also identified a regression for ancient userspaces using the vsyscall interface, for example chroot and containers using (e)glibc 2.13 and older, including those based on Debian 7 or RHEL/CentOS 6. This regression will be fixed in a later update. |
| 07:04 | <Peng> | Ouch |
| 07:05 | <neo^> | "The Rolling HWE kernel for Ubuntu 16.04 will go to 4.13 early, instead of also fixing 4.10 HWE kernel. " |
| 07:05 | <Peng> | Not 4.14? |
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| 07:06 | <@sjacobs> | that seems odd. |
| 07:07 | <Peng> | Maybe they were already working on 4.13 and it's faster to backport the patches than do 4.14 |
| 07:07 | <Peng> | Or they were informed weeks/months ago |
| 07:08 | <neo^> | Peng: After 4.10, it's 4.13 in 16.04's HWE stack: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack |
| 07:10 | <Peng> | Ah |
| 07:10 | <Peng> | Makes sense |
| 07:11 | <neo^> | To be on safer side, users can keep their vulnerable Ubuntu systems shut down until fix is released, or consider migrating to Debian. |
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| 07:17 | <Peng> | :D |
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| 07:58 | <aneury1> | greeting |
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| 08:00 | <@bmartin> | Hello! |
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| 08:05 | <Kurt_> | Hello, Is it possible to get a VPS in Japan Datacenter ? Is that something you can set when your register a VPS ? |
| 08:07 | <troy> | Kurt_: yes you can select the Tokyo DC when you deploy a new linode |
| 08:07 | <@bmartin> | Absolutely. https://www.linode.com/speedtest will allow you to test speeds. When you create your Linode you will choose which DC you would like to use. |
| 08:07 | <Kurt_> | Perfect ! |
| 08:09 | <Kurt_> | The received IP address is dedicated to that VPS ? or is it shared ? |
| 08:09 | <troy> | Kurt_: it is dedicated |
| 08:09 | <troy> | you recieve both a ipv4 and ipv6 address |
| 08:10 | <Kurt_> | The thing is to use the VPS with an API, if the API detects multiple access from a IP address it gets banned, so I need to be sure to have a dedicated IP address and not a NAT address |
| 08:11 | <troy> | it is a routable public IP address not a NAT address |
| 08:14 | <Kurt_> | thank you for your prompt answer ( Ubuntu is available ) |
| 08:15 | <troy> | no problem, yes ubuntu images are avalible |
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| 08:20 | <nate> | I don't even know if I've ever even seen a VPS provider that does NAT, that seems like that would be tremendously goofy |
| 08:21 | <troy> | aws |
| 08:23 | <nate> | All AWS services? I thought at the very least EC2 were dedicated addresses |
| 08:25 | <troy> | you get a dedicated public ip with ec2 but the instances themselves are allocated a private address space from your vpc, its like a 1:1 nat relationship |
| 08:27 | <Peng> | with IPv4 :P |
| 08:28 | <Peng> | IPv6 is public IPs all the way~ |
| 08:33 | <hays> | this cpu cache bug is nasty. |
| 08:34 | <hays> | i suppse the linodes were vulnerable--is there a 10-30% hit on performance with the patch? |
| 08:35 | <praetorian> | Peng: oh? ping me at fe80::1ff:fe23:4567:890a |
| 08:40 | <hays> | what is the updated guide to this one https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/vpn/secure-communications-with-openvpn-on-ubuntu-12-04-precise-and-debian-7/ |
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| 08:48 | <Peng> | D: |
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| 08:51 | <Woet> | hays: what makes you think it needs updating? |
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| 11:02 | <johnz> | hi, is there any news regarding the block storage beta? especially regarding other datacenters |
| 11:04 | <dwfreed> | the meltdown stuff has probably taken priority; no news yet |
| 11:06 | <johnz> | uhh right. counting on it |
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| 11:10 | <emerson> | hm, I don't see the 4.14 kernel in the kernel dropdown |
| 11:10 | <emerson> | anyone else see it? |
| 11:10 | <dwfreed> | fwiw, this is exactly why linode has historically not given timelines |
| 11:10 | <dwfreed> | emerson: is it not latest? |
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| 11:11 | <LouWestin> | All I see on the kernel website is 4.14.12 |
| 11:11 | <emerson> | oh, lol |
| 11:11 | <emerson> | i should stop using cloud.linode.com |
| 11:11 | <emerson> | because it's not great |
| 11:11 | <armiller> | emerson: You can also set the kernel to Latest, which should mean you just have to reboot it |
| 11:11 | <LouWestin> | I RSS'd the page so I could keep up with the updates |
| 11:11 | <ponas> | emerson: but they worked so hard on it :( |
| 11:11 | <emerson> | it's there on manager.linode.com |
| 11:11 | <armiller> | emerson: oof. what don't you like about it (other than this bit) |
| 11:12 | <DrJ> | I wont say the new cloud panel is bad, but I much much much much ..... |
| 11:12 | <LouWestin> | https://www.linode.com/kernels has the list of kernels |
| 11:12 | <DrJ> | much much much much much..... |
| 11:12 | <DrJ> | much prefer the old one |
| 11:13 | <LouWestin> | I haven't logged into the new cloud panel yet... Mmm... I'm worried now. lol |
| 11:13 | <johnz> | i like the new panel's interface, but it's so slow |
| 11:13 | <armiller> | Single page apps for the win! |
| 11:13 | <emerson> | armiller: off the top of my head, there's no way to tell which linode a /64 of IPv6 is being routed to |
| 11:13 | <emerson> | they show up on all the linodes |
| 11:13 | <emerson> | s/linodes/linodes network tab |
| 11:14 | <johnz> | also it should really implement loading animations or something because most of the time when i click something there's a 1 second lag before showing another screen |
| 11:14 | <johnz> | and then for a moment i'm not sure i clicked or that it's working at all |
| 11:14 | <johnz> | (1 second is actually generous though) |
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| 11:15 | <armiller> | emerson: I'm pretty sure thats because you could route a IPv6 /64 to any Linode in the same DC |
| 11:15 | <AlexMax> | Got a question |
| 11:15 | <armiller> | So if I recall correctly it doesn't really "belong" to any one Linode as much as it belongs to your account |
| 11:15 | <AlexMax> | Let's say that I am using a 1024 Linode |
| 11:15 | <AlexMax> | and I'm running something that's CPU intensive |
| 11:15 | <AlexMax> | like, 50% or so |
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| 11:16 | <AlexMax> | What would happen if I got a 2048 |
| 11:16 | <AlexMax> | do I get more CPU power? |
| 11:16 | <armiller> | No |
| 11:16 | <dwfreed> | that depends on how loaded the host is you end up on |
| 11:16 | <johnz> | no, it's still 1 cpu |
| 11:16 | <grawity> | I think you just get more cores of the same type |
| 11:16 | <grawity> | but both 1G and 2G only provide 1 core |
| 11:16 | <Peng> | You have one core either way. If there's high contention, the 2048 has a larger "fair share" of minimum CPU, though. |
| 11:16 | <armiller> | But thats because of the pricing tiers of the 1024 and 2048 |
| 11:17 | <Peng> | If steal is negligible, it doesn't matter. |
| 11:17 | <armiller> | ^ And hopefully steal is negligible |
| 11:17 | <grawity> | what does that number actually show |
| 11:17 | <AlexMax> | steal is about 1.0-3.0 |
| 11:18 | <johnz> | also, even with 2 cores your software must be written to take advantage of them |
| 11:18 | <AlexMax> | Here's a sample |
| 11:18 | <AlexMax> | 04:18:12 PM CPU %user %nice %system %iowait %steal %idle |
| 11:18 | <AlexMax> | 04:18:13 PM all 6.25 0.00 29.17 0.00 1.04 63.54 |
| 11:18 | <Peng> | johnz: Application eats one core and kernel eats other core. :D |
| 11:19 | <armiller> | Nom nom nom |
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| 11:19 | <dwfreed> | fwiw, the first output of iostat is not useful |
| 11:20 | <dwfreed> | because that one is average since boot |
| 11:21 | <emerson> | armiller: doesn't seem like it, although the new docs don't say either way |
| 11:21 | <Peng> | You can get a /64 routed to an IP in a /116 though :D |
| 11:22 | <dwfreed> | armiller: re routing, yes, you can, but you still need to know what address it's routed to |
| 11:22 | <emerson> | but i guess they fixed the other annoyance, which was creating a new DNS record would always have a TTL of 3600 regardless of what you specified |
| 11:23 | <hawk> | Indeed, the /64 (all of it) is routed to one address of your choosing. It would be a good idea to pick an address in the /116 pool if you want to be able to move it easily. |
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| 11:25 | <armiller> | Yeah my IPv6 knowledge isn't very great. I have mostly been stumbling through it and somehow making it out alive |
| 11:26 | <armiller> | Regarding cloud.linode.com, if you have gripes you should probably open them as issues on github or in support tickets |
| 11:27 | <armiller> | They are looking for feedback and IRC doesn't exactly have great visibility |
| 11:27 | <emerson> | yea, probably should |
| 11:27 | <@bmartin> | Please do emerson |
| 11:27 | <@bmartin> | We truly do listen to this feedback and enjoy hearing it. |
| 11:27 | <emerson> | is there a github repo for it? |
| 11:28 | <armiller> | https://github.com/linode/manager |
| 11:33 | <emerson> | opened one |
| 11:34 | <armiller> | !point emerson |
| 11:34 | <linbot> | armiller: Point given to emerson. (1) |
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| 11:37 | <jspinosi> | @armiller <3 |
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| 11:58 | <Cromulent> | this might be a really stupid question but is there a reason Linodes DNS servers still only update every 15 minutes? I mean do you really get so many changes that your DNS servers can't handle instant updates? |
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| 11:59 | <Cromulent> | that is the only thing I would change about Linode if I could |
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| 11:59 | <Zimsky> | should change this non-J discrimination |
| 12:02 | <Peng> | It was originally related to the serial number format, right? |
| 12:02 | <Zimsky> | yes, definitely |
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| 13:05 | <dwfreed> | Cromulent: nobody ever put in the work to rearchitect it; many of the features I'd use in BIND didn't exist when it was created |
| 13:05 | <Cromulent> | ah OK - fair enough |
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| 13:10 | <IanBattaglia> | Hey there, I'm following the guide to install a lamp stack on Ubuntu 16.04, and I want to configure this server to run to a subdomain, but I had a question for configuring Virtual Hosts. Anyone have a minute to answer? |
| 13:10 | <grawity> | depends; how long will it take for you to ask the question? |
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| 13:11 | <IanBattaglia> | Ha, fair enough. Not long. |
| 13:11 | <@scrane> | What's the question? |
| 13:12 | <IanBattaglia> | How should the "/var/www/html/example.com/public_html" structure be modified for a subdomain? Should I configure everything as spec and then jsut adjust the DNS settings, or what? |
| 13:12 | <IanBattaglia> | *just |
| 13:13 | <grawity> | the exact paths aren't important, but if you're going by that structure, just use "/var/www/html/sub.example.com/public_html" |
| 13:13 | <grawity> | as long as your web server's DocumentRoot matches the filesystem, it'll work |
| 13:14 | <IanBattaglia> | That's what I thought, thanks. I'll just replace the domain with the full subdomain path, and follow the guide accordingly. |
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| 13:44 | <IanBattaglia> | Hm, I'm trying to test to see if I did it all correctly, and when I try and access "subdomain.mydomain.com"/phptest.php, the site doesn't load. I tried restarting Apache, it's running fine. Any ideas? |
| 13:45 | <@scrane> | Is the subdomain configured in the zone file? |
| 13:46 | <@scrane> | So we can get a better idea, can you let us know what the subdomain and domain is? That'll help us poke at it and see if we can point you in the right direction |
| 13:46 | <millisa> | the output of 'apachectl -S' might be useful |
| 13:46 | <IanBattaglia> | I'm not sure, I didn't do anything to the zone file honestly. Sorry for the noob questions. |
| 13:47 | <IanBattaglia> | The domain is monochromatic.co, and the subdomain is "console". |
| 13:48 | <@scrane> | Haha it's all good. We all have to learn somehow. So pretty much... I'm looking at your DNS information. For monochromatic.co I am getting... 4 different IP addresses for monochromatic.co |
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| 13:49 | <dwfreed> | .dns6 console.monochromatic.co |
| 13:49 | <@scrane> | that being said, I can curl console.monochromatic.co |
| 13:49 | <dwfreed> | erm |
| 13:49 | <dwfreed> | !dns6 console.monochromatic.co |
| 13:49 | <linbot> | dwfreed: The DNS query name does not exist: console.monochromatic.co. |
| 13:49 | <@scrane> | Ahah. Yeah, it could be an IPv6 thing |
| 13:49 | <millisa> | console.monochromatic.co is a cname pointing directly at an IP? |
| 13:50 | <dwfreed> | !dns6 console.monochromatic.co cname |
| 13:50 | <linbot> | dwfreed: 139.162.120.237. |
| 13:50 | <IanBattaglia> | No, I haven't configured any dns settings. |
| 13:50 | <millisa> | the phptest.php file is 500'ing though |
| 13:50 | <dwfreed> | i'm... surprised that works at all |
| 13:51 | <IanBattaglia> | Right now it's a domain pointing to a squarespace site, and I'm trying to set up the console subdomain as a site I wrote, without disturbing the original domain. |
| 13:51 | <relidy> | (I can resolve the domain by hitting ns1.linode.com directly, but it doesn't seem to come up via recursion) |
| 13:51 | <Peng> | !dns6 monochromatic.co ns |
| 13:51 | <linbot> | Peng: ns1.domain.com., ns2.domain.com. |
| 13:51 | <IanBattaglia> | Yeah, it's not professional at all. I'm far from a web dev or admin. |
| 13:51 | <relidy> | Strike that, I'm seeing the CNAME thing as well. |
| 13:52 | <Peng> | Also I saw a bunch of queries for Route 53 nameservers, so I think the delegation might be there |
| 13:52 | <IanBattaglia> | Sorry, I'm going to be afk for 20 mins-ish. |
| 13:52 | <Peng> | Never mind. |
| 13:52 | <Peng> | domain.com uses Route 53. |
| 13:52 | <Peng> | It's hard to believe domain.com is real. :P |
| 13:56 | <@scrane> | Haha domain.com I think is the nameservers for namecheap |
| 13:56 | <@scrane> | Or I could be wrong |
| 13:56 | <@scrane> | No, I am wrong |
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| 14:10 | <abc> | can anyone help me with setting up a business model similar to mailchimp |
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| 14:11 | <abc> | can anyone help me with setting up a business model similar to mailchimp |
| 14:12 | <grawity> | no |
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| 14:14 | <dwfreed> | abc: our role is not to do your work for you; you don't pay us enough for that (see also the /topic) |
| 14:17 | <IanBattaglia> | Alright, I'm back. Let me load up my registrar and take a look at the IPs. |
| 14:18 | <Peng> | IPs need to be in A records, not CNAME records. |
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| 14:21 | <IanBattaglia> | Copy that, Peng. |
| 14:22 | <Peng> | IPv4 IPs* |
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| 14:25 | <IanBattaglia> | Okay, so squarespace asks for 4 A records directed to their servers. I just added another A record pointing to my linode server. |
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| 14:26 | <IanBattaglia> | ^ the a record is named console, my subdomain. |
| 14:26 | <Peng> | And you removed the "console" CNAME? |
| 14:26 | <IanBattaglia> | Yes. |
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| 14:31 | <IanBattaglia> | Is there anything else I need to change in my registrar or on my server? Does the hosts or hostnames file need to be changed? |
| 14:31 | <IanBattaglia> | Or do I just need to wait for changed to take effect? |
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| 14:33 | <Peng> | Shouldn't need to change anything else. |
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| 14:34 | <IanBattaglia> | Thanks. I'll give it a few hours then, see if it resolves, and then add my files. Thanks so much. |
| 14:34 | <millisa> | your ttl was only an hour. shouldn't take that long |
| 14:34 | <Peng> | It looks alright on the authoritative DNS server now. |
| 14:34 | <Peng> | servers* |
| 14:34 | <IanBattaglia> | Even better! |
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| 15:18 | <IanBattaglia> | Oh, one more question. The "hosting a Website" guide says that I should link 5 NS Records to linode. I've got an ns1 and ns2 record linked to squarespace. Should I add 5 more to linode, at console.monochromatic.co? |
| 15:18 | <nate> | IanBattaglia: you should set your NS records to wherever you're managing the DNS from |
| 15:18 | <IanBattaglia> | And do I need to set anything on Linode's DNS Manager page? |
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| 15:18 | <nate> | If you're managing them from squarespace, leave them as squarespace. If you wish to use linode's DNS manager you'll need to set all 5 nameservers to linodes |
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| 15:19 | <nate> | The only option where you would use both is if squarespace was a master and linode were set as slaves, but that's probably not something you can do from squarespace (so much as you would your own personal master NS) |
| 15:19 | <IanBattaglia> | Oh, I see. So that won't affect routing to my subdomain at all? |
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| 15:23 | <IanBattaglia> | Thanks Nate. Currently, trying to load console.monochromatic.co/phptest.php for me loads a blank page. But navigating to the ip address of the linode server shows phptest in the home directory. |
| 15:23 | <millisa> | it is 500 erroring. |
| 15:23 | <millisa> | what is in your phptest.php file? |
| 15:26 | <IanBattaglia> | It's the code from this guide: https://www.linode.com/docs/web-servers/lamp/install-lamp-stack-on-ubuntu-16-04/, with my MySQL user/pass swapped in. |
| 15:26 | <millisa> | try a info.php with just <?PHP echo phpinfo();?> in it to see if php works at all. |
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| 15:27 | <IanBattaglia> | Will do, thanks. One moment. |
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| 15:32 | <IanBattaglia> | @millisa, that resolves! |
| 15:32 | <millisa> | so it looks like php works. that means you probably have a typo or something in that test file. |
| 15:32 | <millisa> | one of your logs probably gives a hint |
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| 15:33 | <IanBattaglia> | Thanks, I'll take a look at the log and the phptest file. |
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| 16:01 | <james> | is linode an unmanage private server? |
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| 16:03 | <IanBattaglia> | I think it's my MySQL data that's wrong. |
| 16:03 | <Peng> | Guest1545: Yes, by and large. |
| 16:04 | <Guest1545> | does linode have a singapore server? |
| 16:04 | <IanBattaglia> | When I enter the code [CREATE DATABASE webdata; GRANT ALL ON webdata.* TO 'webuser' IDENTIFIED BY 'password';], it gives me an error 1064 (42000) for my password. |
| 16:05 | <IanBattaglia> | Is there another way to create a user / pass for MySql and grant permissions? I'm logging into the mysql console as root right now. |
| 16:05 | <armiller> | Guest1545: Linode has a data center in Singapore yes. |
| 16:05 | <Guest1545> | yes |
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| 16:05 | <Guest1545> | oh thank goodness |
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| 16:06 | <Guest1545> | here is the instruction for resetting root password for mysql https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MysqlPasswordReset |
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| 16:07 | <IanBattaglia> | I know my root password, but I was trying to create a new user and password for the database I made, as indicated in the Ubuntu LAMP guide. |
| 16:08 | <Cromulent> | IanBattaglia: when you ran mysql_secure_install did you tell it to reject weak passwords? |
| 16:09 | <IanBattaglia> | I can't remember, honestly. The password I'm trying to set is a random 20 character string, though. |
| 16:09 | <millisa> | what is the mysql error you are getting? |
| 16:09 | <Cromulent> | ah OK - that won't be the problem then |
| 16:10 | <IanBattaglia> | ERROR 1064 (42000) |
| 16:10 | <dzho> | are you entering the square brackets? |
| 16:11 | <millisa> | there's not an actual message to go with that error number? |
| 16:11 | <dzho> | also, if you've already created the database once, you don't create it again, do you? |
| 16:11 | <IanBattaglia> | No, sorry, I wasn't sure how to deliniate code here. |
| 16:11 | <dzho> | ok, just pays to check when things are unsettled |
| 16:12 | <IanBattaglia> | You're right. I've got a database, but I'm not sure if I set a user / pass correctly. |
| 16:12 | <IanBattaglia> | aside from root. |
| 16:12 | <dzho> | the intarwebs tell me those codes go with a syntax error |
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| 16:12 | <dzho> | trying to use a reserved word as a name |
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| 16:14 | <millisa> | there usually is something more after the 'error 1064 (42000): ' |
| 16:17 | <IanBattaglia> | You're right, it logs the password I was trying to set. |
| 16:17 | <IanBattaglia> | What should I be swapping in on this line of code from the doc? GRANT ALL ON webdata.* TO 'webuser' IDENTIFIED BY 'password'; |
| 16:17 | <IanBattaglia> | I thought it was asking me to set a user and password there. |
| 16:17 | <dzho> | which you may be wise to redact, but if you're dedicated to the help getting, you'll try to reproduce with a bogus pw and paste the whole thing |
| 16:18 | <dzho> | do you actually have a database called webdata, a user called webuser? |
| 16:18 | <IanBattaglia> | It's just a random string, I'm happy to post it, it if helps. |
| 16:18 | <IanBattaglia> | I do have a database called webdata, but no user that name. Instead I put ian_battaglia. |
| 16:19 | <millisa> | i usually prefer giving a location in the grant. grant all on dbname.* to 'dbuser'@'somelocation/ip/%' identified by 'someawesomepassword'; |
| 16:19 | <IanBattaglia> | Do I have to declare a username and password otherwise? |
| 16:19 | <IanBattaglia> | mysql> GRANT ALL ON webdata.* TO ‘ianbattaglia’ IDENTIFIED BY ‘6?}9yx/2$sXyWQU3z7ZW’; ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '‘6?}9yx/2$sXyWQU3z7ZW’' at line 1 mysql> |
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| 16:20 | <millisa> | those quotes... |
| 16:20 | <Peng> | You're going to use a new password next time right |
| 16:20 | <millisa> | ‘’ should be '' |
| 16:20 | <IanBattaglia> | Yes haha. |
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| 16:21 | <IanBattaglia> | I'll swap the quotes and passwords. |
| 16:21 | <dzho> | good plan |
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| 16:32 | <IanBattaglia> | I updated the info successfully, and then swapped that in on my phptest.php file. |
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| 16:33 | <millisa> | one of your web or php logs should say something about why it is 500 erroring |
| 16:34 | <IanBattaglia> | Yay! All good! |
| 16:35 | <IanBattaglia> | Thank you so much everyone. Really appreciate your time and patience. |
| 16:35 | <dzho> | \o/ |
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| 16:54 | <@scrane> | He left a nice tweet for all of you as well! https://twitter.com/IanJBattaglia/status/950844288753192960 The #linode community rocks! |
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| 16:55 | <millisa> | oh, he said it was just to the lovely folks. that's just peng, right? |
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| 17:29 | <md_5> | my linode just got rebooted for "emergency security maintenance" with a support ticket opened 12 minutes ago and no email |
| 17:30 | <Peng> | ...Huh. |
| 17:30 | <nate> | well the support ticket should have probably resulted in an email |
| 17:30 | <md_5> | its a weird support ticket |
| 17:30 | <nate> | sure your mail host didn't block it? |
| 17:30 | <md_5> | there is no message attached to it at all |
| 17:31 | <md_5> | normally the automated reboots have a message explaining the reboot |
| 17:31 | <md_5> | given only 12 minutes warning this better be something worse than meltdown/spectre |
| 17:32 | <Peng> | That's difficult to imagine. |
| 17:32 | <Peng> | Quick, reboot, a team of secret agents have a blow torch and are approaching the cage. |
| 17:33 | <md_5> | replied to the ticket, I shall grab the popcorn |
| 17:34 | <Peng> | I'm sorry, the popcorn machine was taken down for maintenance 12 minutes ago. |
| 17:34 | <Peng> | Would you like this stale package of airplane peanuts we found underneath it. |
| 17:35 | <md_5> | and yeah my email is definitely working, just got the echo email of my own reply |
| 17:35 | <Peng> | Ah, i didn't mean to just be snarky. I'm sorry about the surprise reboot. :( |
| 17:35 | <md_5> | no problem, I imagine its a bug in the email system due to the fact the ticket had 0 content |
| 17:36 | <md_5> | http://files.md-5.net/s/5xiRnnO.png thats the entire ticket |
| 17:37 | <waltman> | Is there a delay in receiving emails from linode? It took about 24 hours to get an email after I rebooted my linode a few days ago, and I saw someone else mention a delay as well. |
| 17:38 | <Peng> | I've never noticed a delay. |
| 17:38 | <md_5> | neither |
| 17:38 | <Peng> | I imagine there might be a delay in the mass announcement emails that go through a separate provider. |
| 17:38 | <Peng> | But ordinary emails? No. |
| 17:38 | <@mcintosh> | waltman: event notifications were backed up for a bit the other day |
| 17:38 | <@mcintosh> | just those though |
| 17:38 | <Peng> | Ah |
| 17:38 | <Peng> | Are you saying it was an eventful day |
| 17:39 | <md_5> | it was a spectre/meltdown reboot |
| 17:39 | <md_5> | with 12 minutes warning |
| 17:39 | <md_5> | ffsa |
| 17:39 | <Peng> | md_5: They confirmed it? |
| 17:39 | <md_5> | how is this acceptable |
| 17:39 | <md_5> | Peng http://files.md-5.net/s/PTGWDRV.png |
| 17:40 | <waltman> | I rebooted Sunday at 13:55, got the email notification Monday at 10:56. |
| 17:40 | <waltman> | mcintosh: Ah, OK. |
| 17:40 | <md_5> | waltman the linode event notifications are batched, although mine are more like 30 minute batchewd |
| 17:40 | <md_5> | there might be a user preference to change it I think |
| 17:40 | <Peng> | Ah. |
| 17:40 | <waltman> | I'm not complaining, just pointing it out as another point of info. |
| 17:41 | <Peng> | Yeah, I don't mean to say that they're instant, but they're always fast enough that they've arrived by teh next time I check my email. :P |
| 17:41 | <waltman> | 21 hours seems on the long side |
| 17:41 | <md_5> | hmm nah dont see a setting, just on/off |
| 17:41 | <waltman> | Ordinarily they've arrived in a few minutes. |
| 17:44 | <millisa> | (I actually saw a 24+ hour delay on a few of my reboots since Friday) |
| 17:45 | <millisa> | (er just a delay on the notifications of 'recent activity') |
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| 17:49 | <Cromulent> | hmm anyone else noticed that Linode alert emails are arriving about 6 hours late? |
| 17:49 | <Peng> | Still? |
| 17:49 | <md_5> | http://files.md-5.net/s/CAAA7nH.png poor support guy, but terrible decision by linode |
| 17:50 | <tanja84dk> | Cromulent, last it wered almost a day late for me ( a few days ago ) |
| 17:51 | <Peng> | md_5: I agree with your comment, more or less, but IMO 24-36 hours reboot notice would have been excessive. I figure, send an email last week that reboots are coming soon, and then email people the precise schedule with 12-24 hours notice. |
| 17:51 | <Peng> | Bikeshedding engaged! |
| 17:52 | <md_5> | well 12 hours is still 60x more notice than they gave |
| 17:52 | <Peng> | Yep |
| 17:53 | <Cromulent> | guess my linodes are going to be rebooted soon then |
| 17:53 | <kashike> | now just to wait until tokyo 2 gets its turn |
| 17:53 | <tanja84dk> | md_5, guess you are one of the "lucky" there is being patched already now |
| 17:53 | <Peng> | For comparison, Amazon emailed people about December 15 that reboots were coming, um, January 5. Then when it hit the news, they emailed on January 3(?) that they were being moved up to January 4(?) with like 6-12 hours notice. |
| 17:54 | <millisa> | md_5: I was stuck on the phone and may have missed it - did you say which DC your linode was in? |
| 17:54 | <Peng> | I mgiht be a bit off on that, but not the important part. |
| 17:54 | <md_5> | tanja84dk one linode down, > half a dozen to go |
| 17:54 | <md_5> | this was singapore |
| 17:55 | <tanja84dk> | md_5, I'm in london ( I think on three difference hosts ) and there hav been no reboot there of what I know and no tickets of it |
| 17:55 | <Peng> | tanja84dk: Maybe you're next. :P |
| 17:56 | <tanja84dk> | Peng, actually I would hope it were soon in a way, because I know not everything is booting up automaticly. So I have to be online when it is |
| 17:57 | <md_5> | lol good luck with that |
| 17:58 | <Cromulent> | tanja84dk: I'm in London as well |
| 17:58 | <Peng> | D: |
| 18:00 | <md_5> | Failed |
| 18:00 | <md_5> | Lassie initiated boot: My Debian 7 Profile |
| 18:00 | <md_5> | Entered: 16 minutes 25 seconds ago - Took: 13 seconds Linode failed to boot for unknown reason. |
| 18:00 | <md_5> | >An issue affecting the physical host this Linode resides on has been detected. |
| 18:00 | <Peng> | That's not abnormal. |
| 18:01 | <Peng> | When the host reboots, you get *two* boot jobs. One of them fails because the other one already succeeded. |
| 18:01 | <md_5> | yeah but server is still down |
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| 18:01 | <grawity> | why two |
| 18:01 | <md_5> | and the button to start it is removed |
| 18:01 | <Peng> | The host tries to boot you to the last known condition, *and* Lassie sees that it's down and tries to reboot you. |
| 18:01 | <Peng> | tries to boot you* |
| 18:01 | <dwfreed> | md_5: because the host is still busted, probably |
| 18:02 | <Peng> | The physical host alert, again, isn't abnormal. It's a generic message that doesn't know there's scheduled maintenance. |
| 18:02 | <md_5> | going on 40 minutes for the meltdown/spectre patch |
| 18:02 | <md_5> | this is getting better and better |
| 18:02 | <Peng> | It might be expected that booting takes a while. |
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| 18:02 | <Peng> | It sounds like in your case there might be a real problem, but it's hard to say. |
| 18:03 | <md_5> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM |
| 18:03 | <tanja84dk> | btw does anyone know if the embargo has been lifted for the researchers about spectre and meltdown ( about the in deph details of how it works etc )? |
| 18:03 | <md_5> | the papers were released like a week ago |
| 18:04 | <dwfreed> | md_5: having looked at your images, the first "response" was actually a ticket list update |
| 18:05 | <dwfreed> | the ticket has to be created before the first update goes into it, and you happened to see the ticket before the update |
| 18:06 | <md_5> | the first update came 20 minutes after the ticket was created and 8 minutes after my server had already been shutdown |
| 18:06 | <md_5> | very useful |
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| 18:08 | <md_5> | server just came back up, 39 minutes downtime according to pingdom |
| 18:08 | <md_5> | seems a tad excessive to just reboot into a new kernel? |
| 18:09 | <dwfreed> | host stack updates are more complicated than that |
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| 18:10 | <wblew> | dwfreed++ |
| 18:10 | <dwfreed> | wblew: !point dwfreed |
| 18:10 | <md_5> | roughly double what the "Critical Xen maintenance" used to take |
| 18:10 | <wblew> | \o/ |
| 18:11 | <dwfreed> | wblew: i mean do that :P |
| 18:11 | <Peng> | I think this is Linode's first Critical KVM Maintenance, as it were. |
| 18:11 | <Peng> | And probably the first Critical Microcode Maintenane. |
| 18:11 | <Peng> | Maybe there are rough edges, or some parts of the process are necessarily slower? |
| 18:11 | <wblew> | !point dwfreed |
| 18:11 | <linbot> | wblew: Point given to dwfreed. (37) (Biggest fan: mcintosh, total: 6) |
| 18:11 | <Peng> | Also, it depends on luck. You can be the first person on the host booted, or the last. |
| 18:12 | <dwfreed> | there are a lot of things that go into host updates; some of those things are manual, to allow for human validation |
| 18:12 | <Peng> | And if rumor is true (it's not) it takes 5-30% longer to reboot than it did before. :D |
| 18:12 | <dwfreed> | and Peng is right about boot order |
| 18:12 | <Peng> | dwfreed: I'm sorry for the people doign that. :X |
| 18:13 | <md_5> | manual updating of thousands of hypervisors |
| 18:13 | <md_5> | I'm sure AWS is doing that |
| 18:13 | <Peng> | I'm sure they could. |
| 18:13 | <dwfreed> | Linode actually cares that things are done right? |
| 18:13 | <Peng> | They only had to update a small % of hypervisors, and they probably have a zillion sysadmins. |
| 18:13 | <dwfreed> | AWS is cattle |
| 18:14 | <Peng> | Heh |
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| 18:24 | <md_5> | > I certainly can't disagree with you here. We would have liked to have more time to communicate the upcoming maintenance but due to various factors that was not possible for this round of upgrades. We sincerely apologize for the lack of notice and we hope that you accept that our biggest consideration in starting this maintenance on such short notice is the security of our customers servers. |
| 18:26 | <dwfreed> | honestly? perfectly acceptable response |
| 18:27 | <md_5> | what about my other 6 servers, and the tens of thousands awaiting reboots from other customers? |
| 18:27 | <md_5> | Why can they not send an email out right now, even saying as little as "your server will be rebooted unexpectedly in the coming days" |
| 18:28 | <Peng> | Or one 2 days ago saying it would probably be rebooted |
| 18:29 | <Peng> | Could be things were really uncertain until the last minute |
| 18:29 | <dwfreed> | there's stuff on the blog |
| 18:30 | <dwfreed> | i'm not sure they knew when the microcode would arrive |
| 18:30 | <md_5> | so, its arrived now |
| 18:30 | <md_5> | where are the announcements? |
| 18:30 | <Peng> | Maybe they're working on it |
| 18:31 | <dwfreed> | The people who could write those announcements are probably in the middle of rebooting hosts |
| 18:31 | <md_5> | what is public relations |
| 18:32 | <Peng> | what is DEFCON 2 security culnerability |
| 18:32 | <dwfreed> | People who may not be able to accurately convey the technical nature of these updates to Linode's technical community |
| 18:32 | <Peng> | Maybe it would be worse public relations to sit on it until tomorrow :P |
| 18:34 | <dwfreed> | For all we know, the guy could be stuck on the freeway in a traffic jam on his way home |
| 18:34 | <dwfreed> | after all, it is 6:30 PM (read: rush hour) in Linodia |
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| 18:40 | <millisa> | super patch tuesday! |
| 18:40 | <Peng> | https://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb18-01.html |
| 18:40 | <Peng> | :D |
| 18:40 | <dwfreed> | Microsoft bricking AMD boxen... |
| 18:41 | <Peng> | Caconical was bricking laptops last month :P |
| 18:41 | <millisa> | "and nothing of value was lost"? |
| 18:42 | <Peng> | O wouldn't wanna be the first person installing Ubuntu's Meltdowwn/Spectre kernels on a laptop, i tells ya |
| 18:42 | <millisa> | bricking is such a harsh term when it comes to windows boxes. I prefer 'liberating' |
| 18:42 | <Peng> | I* |
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| 18:44 | <Bdragon> | I'm in no way surprised that bricks happened |
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| 18:45 | <Peng> | You're not shitting bricks, eh |
| 18:49 | <md_5> | > We'll be doing this for the wider set of reboots that are coming up – the reboots that are happening tonight are only for a select few hosts. Our hands were tied here, unfortunately. We needed to perform this update on a subset of hosts, and it had to happen tonight. I'm truly sorry that we couldn't provide more notice here, but we'll take this feedback into consideration for the future. |
| 18:49 | <md_5> | better reponse |
| 18:49 | * | md_5 wonders why his host was so important though |
| 18:49 | <Bdragon> | BTW at my work, one of my coworkers ran into an issue where centos 6 vms would not come back up on a xen host (not a linode, some random dedicated box owned by a client) |
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| 18:49 | <dwfreed> | Bdragon: RH broke Xen PV booting |
| 18:50 | <Bdragon> | did they accidentally remove vsyscall emulation on a platform that runs glibc 2.13? I never heard what the final cause of that was |
| 18:50 | <dwfreed> | no idea |
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| 18:50 | <Bdragon> | (as far as I can tell, 2.13 can't use vdso, at least for static linkage) |
| 18:51 | <dwfreed> | https://78.media.tumblr.com/7c5420aec32480fb677c47329489fc86/tumblr_nfvcfrn6wF1sp7nhqo1_400.png |
| 18:51 | <Bdragon> | static program calls gettimeofday(), hilarity ensues. |
| 18:52 | <dwfreed> | somebody has that url in their quit message; just figured i'd share |
| 18:52 | <Bdragon> | haven't looked into it or heard a final resolution but that's what my bet is |
| 18:52 | <Bdragon> | haha |
| 18:59 | * | Bdragon shrugs |
| 19:00 | <millisa> | looks like they updated the blog a few moments ago. |
| 19:00 | <millisa> | !blog |
| 19:00 | <linbot> | millisa: CPU Vulnerabilities: Meltdown & Spectre <https://blog.linode.com/2018/01/03/cpu-vulnerabilities-meltdown-spectre/> || Fall 2017 Events <https://blog.linode.com/2017/09/14/fall-2017-events/> || 2017 Summer Events <https://blog.linode.com/2017/07/13/2017-summer-events/> || Linode Network Backbone <https://blog.linode.com/2017/06/27/linode-network-backbone/> || Linode turns 14! (2 more messages) |
| 19:00 | <Peng> | Thanks |
| 19:01 | <Peng> | I have/had an upcoming migration. I wonder if i'll be able to skip one reboot. :D |
| 19:02 | <Peng> | (I doubt it.) |
| 19:04 | <Bdragon> | thanks for specifically pointing out that the initial reboots were meltdown mitigation only. It's been kinda pissing me off how most providers have been implying that their own reboots have been solving all problems and making breath fresher to boot. |
| 19:04 | <Bdragon> | *are |
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| 20:37 | <Eugene> | Oh nice, I got top comment on a blog post. |
| 20:37 | <Eugene> | Go me |
| 20:37 | <@rsyracuse> | !point Eugene |
| 20:37 | <linbot> | rsyracuse: Point given to eugene. (41) (Biggest fan: jalter, total: 12) |
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| 20:37 | <Eugene> | Every day I'm Linodin' |
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| 22:01 | <hays> | Woet: it says its deprecated |
| 22:02 | <hays> | so i am worried it won't work on say.. debian 9 |
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| 22:03 | <Zimsky> | oh hey it's md_5 |
| 22:03 | <Zimsky> | sup md_5 |
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| 22:08 | <Woet> | hays: i'm 99% sure it'll work |
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| 22:17 | <hays> | Woet: cool. also i found this which is close https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/vpn/set-up-a-hardened-openvpn-server/ |
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