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---Logopened Mon Jan 15 00:00:49 2018
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00:15<David>hey guys - I have a Linode that has been stopped but I don't seem to have a corresponding ticket
00:15<millisa>Does the manager show anything about a schedule maintenance? They added a column for it a couple days ago
00:16<David>it was scheduled to start at midnight central
00:16<David>I was actually logged in to the box and it rebooted
00:16<David>An issue affecting the physical host this Linode resides on has been detected.
00:17<millisa>Sounds like bad luck.
00:17<David>welp - it just booted
00:17<millisa>(I have one slated for 45 mins from now, too)
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01:38<John>i facing 502 bad gateway issues
01:38<John>may i ask how can i solve it?
01:38<millisa>what do your logs say?
01:38<John>i using nginx for node.js app
01:39<John>111 connection refused whilte connecting to upstream
01:39<millisa>Is your app running?
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01:39<John>i getting 502 bad gateway, how can i know is it running?
01:40<millisa>Login via ssh and check
01:41<John>what command should i use to check?
01:41<John>i new in nginx
01:42<Woet>new to Linux in general I'm guessing
01:44<millisa>You could use ps to see if it's in the process list. You could use netstat to see if the node app is listening on the port you'd expect.
01:45<John>because of the list is too long and i couldnt scroll up
01:45<John>how cna i make it?
01:46<Woet>John: if you want to manage an unmanaged Linux VPS, you gotta sit back and spend more time learning the basics
01:47<Woet>you can start here:
01:57<John>i understood. but due to it is passed down by another developer
01:57<John>so i request help from here
01:57<John>i checked by ps and grep, yes, it is running
01:58<millisa>What port did you see node listening on?
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02:04<John>its the port i set in sites-available
02:06<Woet>John: please read the docs or hire someone
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02:08<erik_>hi fellas
02:08<erik_>whats the expected downtime for the cpu patch
02:09<millisa>the couple I've had were only out about 5 mins.
02:09<millisa>That last one might have gotten closer to 10
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02:10<erik_>cool thanks
02:10<erik_>I wish linode had a storage service similar to s3
02:10<erik_>(without limits)
02:10<erik_>(s3 buckets)
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02:11<John>can i restart the server to solve the issues?
02:12<millisa>We don't really know what your issue is. Maybe.
02:12<millisa>(You'd be the one that could answer that)
02:14<Woet>John: please read the docs or hire someone
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02:17<nacht>im having trouble with the linode command line, updating my dns entry
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02:18<erik_>T+15 mins now
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02:18<nacht>i run: linode domain record-update A home x.x.x.x
02:18<nacht>it responds with: Updated Domain Record A home
02:19<nacht>but when i look in the control panel it hasnt updated
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02:20<millisa>if you do a 'linode domain record-list' does it show it updated?
02:21<nacht>nope, it shows that it hasnt updated
02:26<erik_>@millisa did you get "additional maintenance pending" during the cpu patch too
02:26<millisa>yeah, all of them appear to have ended with that.
02:27<millisa>the status message does say "This is the first of several separate maintenances that will be necessary to fully mitigate these vulnerabilities. "
02:27<erik_>Mine just says "Phase Complete Additional Maintenance is Pending" at the moment
02:28<erik_>and in reboot mode
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02:29<erik_>yay ping
02:29<erik_>up again
02:29<erik_>took 27~ ish minutes
02:29<millisa>so closer to 25 mins for you?
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02:30<erik_>not too bad
02:31<nacht>do the actual linode guys still get on here?
02:31<Woet>theres like two dozen of them right now
02:31<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
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02:36<millisa>nacht: I also see what you are seeing:
02:36<NodeNewb>Hello, I have a question
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02:36<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
02:37<nacht>millisa im pretty sure this worked a month or so ago
02:37<nacht>should i raise a ticket?
02:37<NodeNewb>I have a node.js server that I have written, it works on my local machine but when I copied it to Linode I can not get it to send a webpage
02:37<nacht>i used to just come in here and one of the linode guys would comment right away. that was years ago though
02:40<millisa>!point Woet
02:40<linbot>millisa: Point given to woet. (4)
02:40<millisa>worked for me
02:40<Woet>never used linode, never used the tool
02:41<Woet>just googled "linode domain record-update" and linked the first result
02:41<Woet>you're welcome
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02:41<millisa>NodeNewb: is the node app running? do you see it in the process list? do you see it listening on the port you expect?
02:42<nacht>lol i thought about googling it but decided there wouldnt be any results
02:42<nacht>why did i not trust in google
02:42<Woet>yea it's good you didn't invest all that time in checking whether they'd be results
02:42<millisa>the example in the docs is wrong, too
02:42<Woet>there'd *
02:43<NodeNewb>Yes, it is running, I have it configured to read out the address and port used, but I am getting a 404 error when I run it on Linode
02:44<millisa>what's the port and IP?
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02:45<NodeNewb>Should load a "Website under Construction" page
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02:47<millisa>there's definitely something listening there; i can see the port open
02:47<millisa>there's nothing on the console/log of the node app?
02:48<NodeNewb>Just the readout I added for the address and port
02:50<millisa>throw a console.log(request.url) into the app and see you get anything on the console?
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02:58<NodeNewb>Sorry, irc crashed on me, I get the correct pathname so I do not know where the issue is
02:59<millisa>so you see the requested url show up in the console log now?
02:59<millisa>it'd be something in the app then. unless you want to share that, I'd guess maybe a path issue?
03:00<millisa>possibly permissions?
03:00<NodeNewb>Okay, will give it another look through, thank you
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03:07<vivek_>i developed my application in mean stack
03:07<vivek_>now im looking for host that
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03:13<niraj>can anyone help me about realtime application on hosting server?
03:13<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
03:13<Woet>!lick millisa
03:13<linbot>Woet: Point given to millisa. (41) (Biggest fan: relidy, total: 9)
03:13<Woet>because you answered vivek_'s questions so well
03:13<Zimsky>!towel woet
03:13<linbot>Zimsky: Point taken from woet! (3)
03:14<Woet>go away Zimsky
03:14<Zimsky>!towel woet
03:14<linbot>Zimsky: Point taken from woet! (2)
03:14<Woet>go away Zimsky
03:14<Zimsky>Woet: how good is your tagalog
03:14<Woet>Zimsky: good enough po
03:19<niraj>I have node server which i run through cmd on my system. plus i have android app which connects to that node server to exchange real time data. what i am doing now is at local server. i want to execute all on hosting server. can i run my node server on hosting server which never stops?
03:20<Zimsky>that question makes absolutely no sense
03:20<Zimsky>I defer to Woet
03:20<Woet>niraj: do you know what Linode sells?
03:20<Woet>(my go to question)
03:20<millisa>I'm just suspicious how many node questions have come up in the last hour...
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03:24<millisa>that never stops. back and forth, forever.
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04:13<Stargate>Greetings, Linode users.
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04:15<Stargate>Can someone explain to me what +1 339 means?
04:17<Zimsky>add one, and 339
04:17<Stargate>The ChanServ message above, Zimsky.
04:17<Zimsky>chanserv said nothing
04:17<Stargate>I see.
04:18<Woet>ignore Zimsky, he
04:18<Woet>she's heavily medicated
04:18<Stargate>Thanks woet.
04:18<Woet>no worries
04:18<Stargate>I am havily medicated too.
04:18<Zimsky>Stargate: I only take medication because Woet exists
04:19<Stargate>I take a 3 month shot to keep my brain in check.
04:19<Zimsky>are you american?
04:19<Stargate>I am something.
04:19<Zimsky>is it normal for americans to shoot themselves every 3 months?
04:19<Stargate>I mean, a 3 month injection. Not a bullet!
04:20<Woet>the sheep shagger making fun of americans
04:20<Stargate>I am coming back to linode after 2 years of being with another host. Using the terminal is interesting.
04:20<Stargate>Seeing the code fly by makes me wonder how these guys made it all possible.
04:21<Stargate>These programmers did THAT? How the....
04:21<Stargate>*round of applause*
04:21<Zimsky>Woet: didn't realise I was welsh/new zealander
04:21<Woet>Zimsky: you impied
04:21<Woet>implied too
04:22<Zimsky>literally never implied
04:22<Zimsky>I've implied I'm kazakh
04:23<Stargate>Oh no. I think something is wrong with my virtual hosts. I can load up my site just fine with my IP. But i get a connection timed out on my domain :(
04:23<Woet>thats not a virtual host issue
04:23<Woet>more like DNS
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04:23<Zimsky>your web server would reply, not time out
04:23<Stargate>I apologize, I am newbie.
04:23<Zimsky>american confirmed
04:23<Stargate>I am more mexican, than American, Zimsky.
04:24<Stargate>I just changed the DNS like 30 minutes ago, would I need to wait some more?
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04:25<Zimsky>you need to make sure the host resolves to your address from a few places
04:26<Stargate>Ok I just confirmed that the site IS working through a proxy.
04:27<Stargate>So it's just a DNS issue, you are right. So, does that mean you are NOT an american?
04:28<Zimsky>it was your spelling of 'apologize' that suggested it
04:28<Zimsky>I am not american
04:28<Stargate>Well excuse me.
04:28<Zimsky>you're not excused
04:28<Stargate>Okay then.
04:38<Stargate>Reverse DNS must have a matching forward entry that points to one of your IPs.
04:38<Stargate>: /
04:39<Stargate>Oh I just checked. Still propagating I am so impatient.
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05:01<Celti>why is poppler so much shit?
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05:01<Celti>I literally get better performance out of a *Windows* MuPDF-based PDF reader running in Wine than I do out of any Poppler-based reader
05:01<mudasir45>hello, i wanna know is it possible to upgrade my linode storage ? Other things like transfer data etc is fine i just want to upgrade linode disk space
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05:02<Celti>The Linode block storage service is still in beta.
05:02<Celti>Or... don't wait for an answer. Really? 19 seconds?
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05:03<Zimsky>reply pls
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06:54<Woet>hi Zimsky
07:02<Zimsky>bye Woet
07:03<Woet>dont come back
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09:47<Zimsky>why would I do that?
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10:09<luzzer>dns nameserver waiting times suck
10:09<Zimsky>there's another kind of nameserver?
10:09<luzzer>im sure that some other protocol out there has something called a nameserver
10:11<luzzer>either way 24-48 hours is a lomg time on the modern interner. that protocol,should be updated
10:12<luzzer>on screen tablet keyboard
10:12<Peng>Some people agree with you.
10:12<Peng>Othes are unhappy to have the Internet explode 10 minutes after a major DNS provider goes down.
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10:13<luzzer>i thought the root zoneservers were geographically distributed
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10:15<Zimsky>not quite that simple
10:16<Zimsky>DNS would ideally be faster
10:17<Celti>You don't have to have a root go down for the internet to explode
10:17<Zimsky>if you run your own master, you can configure the update times
10:17<Zimsky>what Celti is why it isn't so simple
10:17<grawity>luzzer: tbh "24-48 hours" is some bullshit made up by someone who doesn't know how dns works
10:18<Celti>Say that... oh, Cloudflare has 300-second TTLs on all the records they serve. Then, gods forbid, Cloudflare vanishes from the net for more than five minutes.
10:18<grawity>luzzer: either that, or a *massive* overgeneralization
10:18<grawity>oversimplication? either way
10:18<Celti>I prefer to call it a "generous safety margin" ;)
10:19<Peng>luzzer: Many TLDs are highly redundant and geographically distributed, but it doesn't help when someone makes a mistake and replicates incorrect data to every node. :)
10:19<Celti>(but that was when I was working for a registrar and didn't want to have this conversation with every idiotic user that called)
10:19<luzzer>very true
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10:20<Peng>Celti: Cloudflare uses 86400 on NS records. :P
10:20<Celti>They were an example of why short lifetimes could be a bad thing
10:20<Celti>Wasn't saying they were doing it wrong
10:20<Peng>Yeah. They're also an example of why it takes 1-2 days to change DNS providers. :D
10:22<luzzer>who authorized the new tlds .host .jobs etc
10:22<Celti>I think I have 86400 as the TTL on pretty much all of my own records, thinking about it...
10:22<Peng>luzzer: TLDs have DNSSEC outages fairly often. Other types of outages happen sometimes but less often.
10:22<Celti>luzzer: ICANN, ultimately
10:23<Peng>luzzer: Not, you know, *important* TLDs, usually.
10:23<Zimsky><grawity> luzzer: tbh "24-48 hours" is some bullshit made up by someone who doesn't know how dns works
10:23<luzzer>i see
10:23<grawity>hi Zimsky
10:23<Peng>[local ccTLD] seems to be changing their delegation TTLs from 7200 to 3600
10:23<luzzer>ill give it a shot later today
10:23<Zimsky>I thought it was made up by customer service people who got sick of attempting to explain how dns propagation works
10:24<grawity>possibly, although how many customer service people know how DNS works
10:24<Zimsky>so they give huge timeframes so people send them less messages
10:24<Zimsky>that's why I used the word "attempting"
10:24<Celti>I was one of those customer service people who know how DNS works.
10:24<Zimsky>"I'll escalate this call to my manager"
10:24<Celti>I say "customer service"
10:25<Celti>only because I was one of the handful of people who actually answered the phones
10:25<grawity>tbh, one thing I like about [local ccTLD] is that its "customer service" is the actual sysadmins
10:26<Celti>That's pretty much what we were until the boss decided "Fuck you Yanks" and closed the American office
10:26<hawk>That sounds like they might actually be in a position where they can help you? MADNESS!
10:28<luzzer>can anyone here resolve
10:29<luzzer>or www.
10:30<luzzer>brb reboot
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10:31<grawity>no better way to fix DNS issues than a reboot
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10:31<hawk>grawity: :>
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10:32<puzzle>natta yet
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10:33<grawity>do those NS servers look correct
10:33<puzzle>guess im still just waiting then
10:33<puzzle>be back in a minute
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10:34<hawk>Did you change the actual delegation or are you poking at something else entirely?
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10:36<Peng>hawk: they lef
10:37<Zimsky>they're here in spirit though
10:38<Peng>At least for the next 24 to 48 hours
10:40<hawk>Peng: Ah, right. I'm not invested enough to particularly care for their flappiness, though.
10:41*Woet flaps all over Zimsky
10:41<Zimsky>I need an op
10:42<Zimsky>jhaas: woet is subjecting me to unwanted sexual advances now
10:42<Woet>> unwanted
10:43<Zimsky>Woet: have you stopped hitting your wife?
10:43<Woet>Zimsky: no, it's like scratching my own car
10:43<Woet>why would i do that?
10:44<Zimsky> you haven't stopped?
10:44<hawk>You have not stopped because it's like scratching your own car? Hmmm...
10:44<Zimsky>Woet: then you referenced jimmy carr's response
10:44<Woet>i did
10:45<linbot>Peng: 2001:db8:2018:1:15:15:45:12,
10:45<linbot>Woet: 2607:5300:60:355d:108:feed:beef:face,
10:45<Woet>hahaha look at me it has words
10:45<Zimsky>Woet: what do they say of the parthenon where the acropolis is?
10:45<Woet>Zimsky: there are no straight lines
10:46<Peng>!dns6 ns
10:46<Peng>Jealous you have a 2-letter Cloudflare nameserver
10:47<Zimsky>!dns6 au ns
10:47<Zimsky>wau look at me I'm a nameserver
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10:52<Zimsky>big no
10:52<Peng>Hey Yaakov
10:52<Yaakov>Howdy, Peng.
10:54<Yaakov>So, Peng, what's with the migration jazz?
10:56<Peng>Migrations or Meltdown/Spectre reboots?
10:57<Peng>I /had/ one migration scheduled -- the ticket didn't say why -- but they cancelled it once Meltdown/Spectre came along to occupy everyone's time.
10:58<Yaakov>OK, mine is still saying it will be scheduled.
10:59<Zimsky>not sure I'd describe it as "jazz"
11:00<Yaakov>I am pretty sure I did.
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11:29<FluffyFoxeh>pro tip: when you check DNS, query the authoritative nameserver directly so you don't fill up the intermediary caches with negative or incorrect responses
11:30<FluffyFoxeh>i.e. dig
11:31<FluffyFoxeh>once that one is returning what you want, you can do normal DNS queries
11:32<FluffyFoxeh>this works best with new domains/subdomains
11:32<FluffyFoxeh>(that other people aren't already querying)
11:33<relidy>Do NXDOMAIN responses actually get cached? For what duration, the zone default TTL?
11:33<grawity>the last field (minttl) of the SOA record
11:33<FluffyFoxeh>I believe so, yes. It might vary between servers. It's called "negative caching"
11:33<FluffyFoxeh>oh minttl? k
11:34<grawity>that's the only "default TTL" exposed to DNS
11:34<grawity>if you were talking about e.g. bind's $TTL, that's a local macro
11:35<relidy>Nope, that's the field I was thinking about, just didn't know the name. Thanks!
11:35<Peng>relidy: Resolvers often cache negative responses for much shorter than positive responses, such as 1-3 hours.
11:35<FluffyFoxeh>grawity: tbh I only knew there are like 5 different seconds values in the SOA record, that one of them was minimum, and assumed that there was another one for "default" when relidy said it :p
11:35<Peng>e.g. Unbound defaults to caching positive responses for up to 1 day, and negative responses for up to 1 hour.
11:36<FluffyFoxeh>I'm on the wiki article and the RFC 2308 link is purple for me. I wonder when and why I visited that
11:40<hawk>relidy: negative responses are allowed to be cached for MIN(SOA TTL, SOA.MINIMUM)
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11:40<Peng>Not caching negative responses would be terrible.
11:41<Peng>AAAA queries for IPv4-only sites? All that crap people send to the root servers?
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11:44<grawity>I noticed some servers include AAAA in 'additional' when querying for A, and the other way around
11:45<grawity>wonder if that's new
11:46<Peng>A careful resolver would probably ignore it though?
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11:56<hawk>Some dialled back version of ?
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12:02<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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12:04<Eugene>grawity - I'm not aware of any implementation that returns AAAA when A is requested(for the record being fetched); where are you seeing that? Is it perhaps the behaviour of BIND with "minimal-responses no"(the default), which fills-in the Authority and Additional sections?
12:04<Eugene>(which adds AAAA/A glue for NS & such.... but not the record actually queried)
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12:07<jass>Do u know when will this migration done?
12:08<ryu>would anyone know of why I can query some records on dev server via a tunnel but not on live server even though it's a clone
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12:08<Peng>No. What?
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12:09<ryu>i'm externally connecting to a database to fetch records from a view if i use the dev server it works but on the live server it says "access denied" even though i'm sure the credentials are correct
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12:10<ryu>is there a way to list all permissions of a user to a database
12:11<jass>My website was disconnected. I got an email from you it’s going to do a server migration
12:12<jass>I don’t know how to list that
12:12<Peng>Not very long, probably.
12:12<dwfreed>you can log in to the linode manager to see how much time is left
12:13<Zimsky>it'll be done hawaiian time
12:13<jass>I logged in but it shows the state is running.
12:15<jass>Could u check for me how much longer?
12:19<jass>I logged in lion
12:20<jass>I have logged in linode dashboard. But I can’t find when is the rest time.
12:23<Zimsky>from what I read, the migrations were given 2 hour windows
12:24<Zimsky>was a different timeframe specified for your migration?
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12:27<Peng>It sounded like jass might have a "the host broke" emergency migration
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12:52<branko>Zimsky: They want to migrate everyone to Windows for 2 hours? Why? o.O
12:52<branko>(all puns intended, sorry... :)
12:53<Zimsky>but the pun doesn't make sense
12:53<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • CSS and other data not pulling through on Drupal 8 after migration <>
12:53<Zimsky>lexically, you can't derive that meaning from what I said
12:53<branko>Damn it...
12:53<Zimsky>git gud
12:53<Zimsky>git push origin master
12:54<sandeep>windows that self destruct in 2 hours
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13:24<Zemby>Is it possible to have multiple Linodes on the same account (email) ... and yet have different monthly billing for each one?
13:25<Zimsky>prob not
13:26<DrJ>define: different billing
13:26<DrJ>answer is probably still no, but not sure exactly what you mean
13:26<Zimsky>define: DrJ
13:27<DrJ>Zemby: the invoice you get each month will say how much of the bill is for each linode
13:28<Celti>Zemby: You cannot have multiple billing accounts under one username, AFAIK. I *think* you can have the same email address on user accounts for two different billing accounts, however — just sign up a second time (after checking the Linode ToS to make sure that's not against the rules — for all I know, it might be.)
13:28<Zemby>Thanks everyone for your input. Currently I have a $40 Monthly plan ... for one of our products. I would like to launch a 2nd product, with a $20 Monthly plan ... Can I use a different credit card for each one?
13:28<Zemby>I'll check into it, thanks!!
13:28<DrJ>zemby: you'd have to make payment with one, then change the card in the account and make the other
13:28<Celti>You can make one $40 payment and one $20 payment each month with the two different cards
13:29<Peng>It's not against the rules to have multiple accounts.
13:29<DrJ>it would be something you'd have to do each month, and you'd have to do it before the 1st
13:29<Celti>there's no way to do it automatically, as DrJ says
13:29<Peng>You might have to use different email addresses, though. (Luckily Gmail and other providers support
13:29<DrJ>otherwise it will just all come off the card on the account when they do the autobilling on the 1st
13:30<Celti>Peng: No, you can duplicate emails just fine
13:30<Eugene>Nerdery: I now have a Stratum 1 NTP server at home!
13:30<Peng>Celti: Oh good
13:30<Peng>Eugene: \o/
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13:31<Celti>and it was remotely possible the ToS might forbid multiple billing accounts and not multiple *user* accounts, so I figured I'd cover my arse and say to check. ;)
13:31<Peng>Oh. I think it's okay, though
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13:31<Zimsky>Eugene: what's your time source?
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15:10<anwarh>i have a question about number of linode users
15:11<nate>Context? As in linode customers or?
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15:12<DrJ>anwarh, just ask your question
15:13<DrJ>asking to ask or stating you have a question is just a waste of time
15:13<Eugene>Zimsky - GPS, Garmin 18X LVC, wired to a serial port with +5V drawn from USB
15:13<anwarh>yes, as in how can one add more than 2 users to a linode under users and permissions
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15:14<LMope>im testing this
15:14<LMope>is anyone here
15:14<DrJ>test failed.
15:15<LMope>nicl lmello
15:15<anwarh>how can one add more than 2 users to a linode under users and permissions
15:15<LMope>nick lmello
15:15<LMope>i dont know
15:15<LMope>how do u change your nickname
15:16<Peng>/nick something_else
15:16<Eugene>Zimsky - I would like to get a "real" NTP source with a termperature-stabilized oscillator....
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15:20<lmello>anyone elce on?
15:20<Zimsky>Eugene: why not just go with a Cs-133 standard
15:20<armiller>anwarh: You may be limited in the number of users you can have. I believe you can have a certain amount of users per service
15:20<Zimsky>or an H-maser
15:20<armiller>I think it was 3 users per Linode?
15:21<Eugene>Zimsky - I'm not actually made of money.
15:22<Zimsky>Eugene: that's the joke dot jay peg
15:22<Eugene>I'm not joking. I have looked into building one myself. I don't have the requisite clean room
15:22<Zimsky>I do
15:23<Zimsky>no, you can't borrow it
15:23<anwarh>it says 3 users per Linode, yes, but how can one increase the number of users
15:23<Zimsky>increase the number of linodes.
15:24<armiller>Are you talking about system users (like root or mike)? or are you talking about people who log in to the Linode Manager
15:24<Zimsky>Eugene: rubidium clocks are relatively cheaper
15:24<Eugene>I guess the price for a used one isn't actually /that/ bad.
15:25<Eugene>The item description is a laug
15:25<Zimsky>their time is weird
15:25<Zimsky>hahahaha ex JORN
15:25<Zimsky>that's gold
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15:26<anwarh>by users, i mean number of people who are given access to login
15:27<armiller>That's not really helping. Any kind of user would login to something
15:27<Zimsky><anwarh> how can one add more than 2 users to a linode under users and permissions
15:27<Eugene>But yeah, if I had a need for PTP I would probably just pick up a TCXO crystal jobbie. I can't justify it to the wife
15:27<Zimsky>you have to justify things to your wife?
15:28<Zimsky>you have to justify things to your wife?
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15:28<Eugene>Adulthood and responsibilities are no fun :-(
15:28<armiller>Eugene: Become a child, be free from burden
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15:28<@scrane>Hey, LMope
15:28<Zimsky>test failed
15:28<Zimsky>scrane failed
15:28<armiller>Zimsky failed
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15:29<anwarh>i am referring to users who are able to access a particular linode
15:29<Zimsky>please put down the thesaurus
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15:29<@scrane>By access, do you mean SSH into the Linode? Or access the Linode in the LInode Manager dashboard?
15:29<Zimsky>pick up a brontosaurus
15:30<armiller>scrane: Please no. I already asked that, I don't know what they want ;_;
15:30<Zimsky>Eugene: if it's money you've earned and wouldn't affect your shared living situation, you shouldn't have to justify things like that
15:34<Eugene>$4k is a bit much for a joke purchase :-p
15:35<lmello>hi im trying to get my friend on this chat program but for him it disconects him before he can join this room
15:35<Zimsky>maybe talk with the network help people
15:35<Eugene>Though I spend nearly that much on Legos....
15:36<Zimsky>Eugene: I spent the equivalent of $1200 on a joke one time
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15:36<Zimsky>someone joked around about arriving in a helicopter to a particular gathering in a park
15:37<Zimsky> I chartered a helicopter
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15:38<@scrane>... Man. I wish I had $1200 I could throw away on a joke, haha!
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15:38<Zimsky>this was a long time ago when I had a completely disposable income
15:38<Peng>That is awesome
15:38<Peng>Terrible use of money, but awesome
15:39<Zimsky>I still think it was completely worth it
15:39<Zimsky>plus it was quicker than getting the bus
15:39<@scrane>That is a fair point.
15:40<Eugene>I've only had one helicopter ride, in a US Coast Guard MH-60. Didn't have to pay for it, and I even made the local news.... for sinking my sailboat.
15:40<Eugene>Plus I got a free T-shirt!
15:40<Zimsky>how did you sink your boat?
15:41<Zimsky>did you not accept someone's advice on floating your boat?
15:41<Eugene>Ran into a submerged shipping container
15:41<Zimsky>too bad the shipping container didn't contain a ship
15:41<Zimsky>how large was your boat?
15:42<Zimsky>I presume it just breached the hull
15:45<Eugene>Morgan 35ft, a 70s-era fiberglass racer. It bounced off the forward hull & keel, but snapped the rudder post
15:46<Zimsky>oh nice, but not nice
15:47<Zimsky>sounds better than my little dinghy
15:47<Eugene>Yeah. I could deal with the flooding, but the loss of steering made it a fool's errand
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15:48<Zimsky>do you still float your boat nowadays?
15:48<luzzer>ok i got a challenge for you should you choose to accept it
15:48<Zimsky>I accept
15:48<luzzer>i have two sets of two windows services that i cannot get to go away
15:48<Zimsky>I revoke my acceptance
15:48<luzzer>clean install of server 2016
15:49<Zimsky>...install malwarebytes?
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15:49<luzzer>CDPUserSvc_50e06 CDPUserSvc_27b04 and OneSyncSvc_50e06
15:49<luzzer>they're microsoft signd
15:50<Zimsky>that's a dirty word
15:50<Eugene>I live on an island now, but don't own any watercraft. Again, because they're expensive heh
15:50<Eugene>I take the ferry to Seattle once a week for work
15:51<Toba>do they have CDPUserSvc_27b04 on your island
15:51<Zimsky>get yourself a helicopter?
15:51<Zimsky>or a gyroplane
15:51<Eugene>You've never owned an airplane, have you
15:51<luzzer>think i got it
15:51<Toba>an airplane, luzzer?
15:52<luzzer>no but i know all about flying
15:52<Eugene>I could maybe get a Light Sport License, but even a Rotax-powered kite pack is $10k+
15:52<luzzer>ex girlfriend was a pilot
15:52<Eugene>And I don't think I could use that on the island without a float kit, which is its own certification nightmare
15:52<luzzer>She flew sessnas
15:52<Peng>Eugene: Helicopter, if you like burning money?
15:53<luzzer>i also knew a helicopter pilot
15:53<luzzer>from vegas
15:53<luzzer>corporate trainer now
15:53<Eugene>Peng - hahahah single-engine helos
15:53<Eugene>Good luck with that
15:53<Zimsky>Eugene: never owned, but have flown
15:54<Eugene>Never, ever get in a helicopter with only one engine.
15:54<Toba>What if you have a towel with you Eugene
15:54<luzzer>when i delete that service using the command line
15:55<luzzer>it deletes on reboot and then another with another random bit replaces it
15:55<luzzer>now its OneSyncSvc_2e12b
15:55<Toba>googled 'onesyncservice hex'
15:55<Toba>only 2 results, this is the first one
15:56<Zimsky>I think it's a -- wait for it --
15:56*luzzer groans
15:56<Zimsky>i.e. you've been hexed
15:56<Peng>Eugene: You have a point. I was in a single-engine Robinson for about 3 minutes, but not over water. :P
15:57<Zimsky>Eugene: what if I bring a trent xwb?
15:57<Zimsky>will I be okay then?
15:57<Zimsky>it'd probably fit on the seat next to
15:58<Zimsky>Eugene: I'll bring Jay Inslee too just in case
15:59<luzzer>if i disable it it re-enables itself
15:59<Toba>unlike the engine in a single engine helicopter
15:59<Toba>don't disable those
15:59<Peng>Toba: Much quieter though
16:00<Zimsky>just make it electric
16:02<Zimsky>or use an ion thruster
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16:06<Zimsky>I'd love to get myself a little microjet
16:06<Zimsky>they're rather excellent
16:09*luzzer is still waiting for his flying car
16:10<luzzer>Wait arent those called helicopters
16:10<Peng>Hmm. Sikorsky SH-60B: 2810 kW. Robinson R44 Raven II: 183 kW.
16:13<ryu>anyway to save iptables rules before flushing all of them?
16:14<luzzer>so whats a good full featured mail daemon for windows besides exchange
16:14<ryu>and how to restore to that save after a flush?
16:14<luzzer>windows windows windows windows
16:16<relidy>iptables-restore, probably
16:16<Zimsky>luzzer: why are you using windows
16:17<luzzer>because I like it.
16:17<Zimsky>get out
16:17<luzzer>i can use linux
16:17<Zimsky>I'm only half joking there too
16:18<Zimsky>you realise most people here aren't windows people
16:18<armiller>Silly Zimsky, people aren't windows
16:18<luzzer>windows like it or not is what most people are first introduced to when it comes to computers
16:18<relidy>!point armiller
16:18<linbot>relidy: Point given to armiller. (2)
16:18<Zimsky>armiller: why am I the silly one? I'm saying they aren't windows.
16:19<Zimsky>armiller: you're the silly one for saying what I'm saying, then mocking me
16:19<luzzer>what distro do you prefer to use
16:19<luzzer>do you have a beard
16:19<armiller>Woah, getting personal there ain't ya
16:19<luzzer>unix beards
16:19<Zimsky>I'm genetically unable to have a beard
16:19<luzzer>they're a thing
16:23<ryu>so i did an iptables flush and now i can't access my site nor log into it through ssh halp
16:23<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled.
16:24<Zimsky>inb4 default drop policy
16:24<ryu>god damn it
16:24<Zimsky>that's sexist
16:25<ryu>why would it stop accepting all connections?
16:25<relidy>Because you told it to drop everything :)
16:25<ryu>shouldn't it by default accept incoming connections
16:25<ryu>instead of blocking everything
16:26<relidy>That's the root of Zimsky's comment. The default policy is probably DROP.
16:26<Zimsky>did you use the command `iptables -P INPUT DROP` by chance?
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16:26<ryu>no i did iptables -F
16:26<ryu>but i saved the config but i can't get in to restore it
16:27<relidy>ryu: Log in via Lish (linked above) if you haven't already. That'll get you a console connection which you can use to sort out the rest.
16:27<Zimsky>lish in and look
16:29<relidy>That's some oddly non-random keyboard smashing.
16:30<Zimsky>it's odd that it isn't random?
16:31*relidy shrugs
16:31<relidy>I'm easily amused.
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16:50<ryu>yea so iptables -F is a bad idea
16:50<ryu>lesson learned
16:50<ryu>there is some firewall rule that is blocking my SQL connection from azure and it's the most ridiculous thing because I can't find it
16:52<armiller>You sure it's a firewall rule? Is SQL listening on the port you think it's listening on on the IP you think it's listening with
16:54<ryu>so the live server is a copy of the dev server execpt the firewall rules
16:54<ryu>and i can tunnel into dev but not live
16:56<armiller>Are you able to tunnel into live when you turn the firewall off (pls no flush this time)
16:57<ryu>how to turn off just the firewall?
16:58<ryu>boy do i hate server admin stuff
16:59<armiller>Something like `iptables -I INPUT 1 -j ACCEPT` would work
16:59<ryu>last time i changed like some sql params with the mysql tuner and my ib1 file became corrupt
16:59<armiller>It'll put a rule at the top of the input chain that will accept any packet
16:59<ryu>alright let me try it
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17:20<Bdragon>keep in mind that nontunneled SQL Server traversal over the internet is hit and miss anyway, many filters were put in place after SQL Slammer
17:25<Bdragon>oh nevermind you were talking about tunneled traffic in the first place
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17:35<ryu>yea... still cannot connect to sql from azure saying MySql.Data: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES).
17:35<ryu>the login is correct-o for sure
17:36<ryu>kill me
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17:38<relidy> vs localhost?
17:39<ryu>yea tried that too
17:43<ryu>im using sucuri
17:43<ryu>probably why it's not working
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19:16<finn>so, I posted this on the forums a few days ago, bringing it up here again: is there any interest in supporting some kind of instance metadata/userdata to allow cloud-init support?
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19:22<armiller>finn: Who are you asking? Is this a question targeted at the Linode community or the Linode devs?
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19:28<Celti>I think it's asking the community to prove to the devs that we want it.
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19:31<finn>something like that
19:31<finn>I want it, but I don't think appealing directly to the devs is the way to go, and i'm also intersted in having a general conversation with the devs/community/whoever about the best way to do this
19:32<Celti>Well, the devs are the only ones who can implement it, so *someone* would need to appeal directly to them at some point
19:33<finn>what is the proper way to do that?
19:33<finn>i posted a thread on the Feature Request/Bug Report section of the forum (
19:33<Celti>Not a bad place to start.
19:34<finn>it's been several days, but I guess those are all weekends/US federal holidays so maybe i should just wait a bit
19:37<finn>but again, i'm interested in feedback from the community as to the nature of my request. I would prefer a full-blown metadata service, where the VM can query information about itself as well as user data
19:37<Celti>Personally, I'm not sure I see the advantages of supporting cloud-init specifically over just using a StackScript that dumps a cloud-config.yml and calls cloud-init
19:37<Celti>Ah, a full-blown metadata service is a bit different
19:38<finn>StackScripts don't work on CoreOS
19:39<Celti>...hasn't CoreOS ditched cloud-init in favour of Ignition?
19:39<finn>yes, but all of the user-data shit is basically the same
19:42<finn>their data sources are almost identical, and if Linode ends up implementing a data source that's only supported by one, i'm sure it'd be pretty easy to get it added to the other
19:43<finn>then there could be a chance of removing the mandatory password field
19:43<finn>or unmandatorying it
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19:57<armiller>Why would they unmandatory the password field? What would that even mean for root's password
19:58<finn>hopefully that it wouldn't be set
19:58<finn>I can't think of any major cloud provider that even offers a password field
19:58<trippeh>frankfurt issues? just cogent beeing silly?
19:59<finn>Although I haven't seen Azure's setup, i could see that being a thing on Windows
19:59<armiller>Unmandatorying the password field would lead to a bunch of confused people deploying Linodes without root passwords and getting mad
19:59<armiller>I don't see it happening for UX reasons quite frankly
19:59<@mcintosh>you could unmandatory it only in the presence of a supplied public key
19:59<armiller>^ Actually that sounds cool
19:59<finn> most other cloud providers do
19:59<@mcintosh>is unmandatory a word? not sure on that one :p
19:59<finn>no, i made it up
20:00<@mcintosh>just checking...
20:00<@mcintosh>!point finn
20:00<linbot>mcintosh: Point given to finn. (1)
20:00<finn>:) thanks
20:00<diveyez>!point mcintosh
20:00<linbot>diveyez: Point given to mcintosh. (20)
20:01<@mtjones>trippeh: What are you seeing for frankfurt? I'm checking i t out now.
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20:01<diveyez>Lots of latency issues with germany period.
20:01<diveyez>Bad storms...
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20:01<trippeh>mtjones: ipv4 dead from here (AS206774)
20:01<@mcintosh>finn: we're interesting in cloud init on the dev team, fwiw, but no big plans for it in the works at the moment
20:02<trippeh>mtjones: oh no it just woke up after 6 minutes
20:02<diveyez>mcintosh can I organize with linode staff to make sure I am at my keyboard when the maintainence happens?
20:02<trippeh>now even
20:02<Peng>diveyez: For Meltdown? You'
20:02<trippeh>mtjones: seems it has switched over to Telia now.
20:02<Peng>diveyez: For Meltdown? You'll be given 24+ hours of notice.
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20:03<trippeh>mtjones: was going through cogent while dead.
20:03<trippeh>mtjones: (from this end anyway, didnt take a reverse trace)
20:05*waltman just subscribed to the linode incident report emails
20:06<finn>mcintosh: re: cloud-init, as there been any thought given to a full metadata service?
20:06<@mtjones>trippeh: It may be the route wasn't working for your location so a different one was taken when it finally worked. If you notice it's out of the ordinary again try running an MTR in the reverse direction through Lish to see if it's in both directions.
20:06<@mtjones>If it is, let us know so we can check it out.
20:09<@mcintosh>finn: thought has been given for sure - it's something on our radar
20:09<finn>okay cool
20:10<finn>I'm trying to decide if I want to wait for that or just look into other providers
20:11<diveyez>CPU: 1 x Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2680 v2 @ 2.80GHz
20:11<diveyez>Time taken to generate PI to 5000 decimal places with a single thread: 0m26.627s
20:11<diveyez>That is horrible...
20:12<Peng>What would be good?
20:15<diveyez>CPU: 1 x Intel Core Processor (Haswell, no TSX)
20:15<diveyez>Time taken to generate PI to 5000 decimal places with a single thread: 0m0.001s
20:15<diveyez>My i7 4700 does the 0m0.001s as well, but somehow that linode Xeon is taking almost 30 seconds.
20:18<retro|blah>woo rebootception
20:21<retro|blah>diveyez: What script are you using for this?
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21:38<SleePy>I never received a ticket that my Linode was going down this morning. :\
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21:42<gparent>I did ! \o/
21:42<gparent>well not this morning.
21:43<Peng>Peng has a migration tomorrow
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21:49<@mcintosh>SleePy: that sounds like a grave mistake - can you open a ticket now about that?
21:51<diveyez>Sorry, ill pm the actual link
21:52<SleePy>mcintosh: Done
21:52<SleePy>Last ticket I have was for a maint done in December
21:52<Zimsky>is peng migrating to rural cameroon?
21:55<Peng>No way, .cm isn't signed.
21:56<Zimsky>neither was your birth certificate
21:56<millisa>pengs have hatch certificates.
21:56<Peng>We use blockchain
21:57<Zimsky>oh sod off
22:01<retro|blah>diveyez: Think I found it. The computation cited takes "real 0m19.524s" on a local Haswell machine here. Not sure how 0.001s is possible.
22:01<diveyez>See the pm pls
22:01<retro|blah>I am not accepting PMs.
22:02<retro|blah>Tried it on my Linode says 0m37.468s and the steal% is at 3.2% or so.
22:03<dwfreed>took 23 seconds on an ivy bridge
22:03<Peng>Maybe 0.001s is when it exits with an error?
22:03<diveyez>hmm, I ran that computation on about 20 diff machines even a dedi
22:04<Peng>Breaking: Secret quantum computer accidentally revealed. "My benchmark was super fast," source states
22:04<diveyez>If it was an error it would hang
22:04<dwfreed>I'm assuming this is just `echo "scale=5000; 4*a(1)" | time bc -l`
22:04<dwfreed>(4 times the arctangent of 1 radian is pi)
22:05<diveyez>Standard kaballah jewish CPU test
22:05<diveyez>Im jew..
22:05<dwfreed>there is no way that bc can do that calculation to 5,000 places in 1 millisecond
22:07<SleePy>Maybe the cpu was speculating!
22:07<diveyez>CPU: 8 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4710HQ CPU @ 2.50GHz
22:07<diveyez>Time taken to generate PI to 5000 decimal places with a single thread: 0m0.011s
22:07<Peng>If you run it in a console what does it actually do
22:08<dwfreed>do this in particular: echo "scale=5000; 4*a(1)" | /usr/bin/time bc -l
22:08<diveyez>That was in WSL
22:08<Peng>time: cannot run bc: No such file or directory
22:08<Peng>0.00user 0.00system 0:00.00elapsed 0%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 1256maxresident)k
22:08<Peng>I win
22:09<diveyez>bc dont even pack with most distros lol
22:11<diveyez>dwfreed has me condiering a more complicated math calc for that scripts =)
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22:12<dwfreed>bc is always right, though the last digit might be 1 off (due to rounding)
22:12<diveyez>53.43user 0.00system 0:53.61elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 1008maxresident)k
22:12<diveyez>0inputs+0outputs (0major+292minor)pagefaults 0swaps
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22:13<dwfreed>possibly last 2, since in this case the last digit is 0
22:13<diveyez>Gonna need to make it spit pretty puke
22:14<diveyez>Okay, that was on my alienware in WSL, now lets burn up the linode BEFORE maintenance
22:15<diveyez>debian packs bc and time thank god
22:15<diveyez>Every VPS I own can do that math without needing apt
22:16<Peng>All distros probably have a package for it, but not necessarily installed
22:16<diveyez>24.93 seconds
22:17<diveyez>So its 2x as fast as my laptop
22:17*diveyez submits a linode ticket asking for a hammer to smash laptop
22:18<diveyez>dwfreed: 24.80user 0.02system 0:24.93elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 1932maxresident)k
22:18<diveyez>176inputs+0outputs (1major+127minor)pagefaults 0swaps
22:19<diveyez>dwfreed: Your calc is now being implemented in place of the one I jew'd
22:22<diveyez>dwfreed: How exactly would you surgically cut the time only from that and spit only that out to bash
22:24<diveyez>Peng it was exiting due to lack of package.
22:24<diveyez>My cut and echo works fine sitll
22:30<diveyez>Dang, that one on my github isnt even the same script I wrote locally, must have been a bad hair day.
22:33<millisa>re: surgically cutting the time - echo "scale=5000; 4*a(1)" | /usr/bin/time bc -l 2>&1|tail -n 2|head -1|cut -d' ' -f3 (that?)
22:37<diveyez>That escalated quickly, this explains the linode docs
22:38<diveyez>echo -n "some cool text about jewish math: "; (time echo "scale=5000; 4*a(1)" | bc -lq) 2>&1 | grep real | cut -f2
22:39<Peng>| awk '/real/ { print $2 }' ?
22:40<diveyez>!point Peng
22:40<linbot>diveyez: Point given to peng. (19)
22:41<diveyez>AWK 100% lol
22:42<diveyez>Maybe 5000 isnt such a good Idea, maybe 500000 is
22:43<diveyez>Is this considered ethical hacking?
22:43<diveyez>echo -n "how long it takes diveyez to drink a redbull: "; (time echo "scale=100; 4*a(1)" | bc -lq) 2>&1 | grep real | cut -f2
22:48<diveyez>I am just now seeing all the +g mode notices in my server window. That is so 2001
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22:57<Ikaros>Hmm. T-minus 3 min and counting.
22:58<millisa>someone on here last night had it take 25 mins.
22:58*Ikaros hopes his is ready for maintenance
22:58<Ikaros>!wx kdfw
22:58<linbot>Ikaros: Unknown host.
22:58<Ikaros>Hahaha it died
22:59<millisa>Ikaros: did all the bread, milk, and eggs disappear from your stores today?
22:59<Ikaros>I'm tempted now to write a replacement
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23:00<bullfrog>If I want to power down my linode myself before the meltdown patch, any know how I'll be able to tell when I can power it back on?
23:00<Peng>Interesting question.
23:00<millisa>the manager will show 'phase complete'
23:01<Peng>If you want it to come up ASAP, you may be able to insert a boot job after the maintenance starts
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23:02<bullfrog>cool. thx.
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23:03<Ikaros>Heh, and there pops my IRC network
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23:04<MrPPS>good ol' irc
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23:08<Ikaros>Though, netsplit autoheal is nice too
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23:19<diveyez>I look at my support tickets, my headshot looks more professional than linode staff, bang bang!
23:19<diveyez>Well, Ikaros, if you setup a few servers, when one drops...
23:19<Peng>My head shot is a giant letter "P" that looks more professional than the Linode L
23:20*diveyez shoots Peng in the head
23:21<diveyez>My headshot was taken by an NSA agent at the time I didnt know he was NSA. He revealed it to me when I joined the local masonic lodge lol
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23:22<Ikaros>On the network I'm helping with, it's a hub-leaf setup, with auto-fallback capabilities. 99% of the time we don't have to do anything to correct a split. It'll correct itself by falling back to another available hub. This has of course, at times, led to some topologies. lol
23:22<Peng>diveyez: What
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23:23<diveyez> #main lol
23:23<diveyez>Yes that is real...
23:24<diveyez>Should have spelled cube with a q (qube)
23:31<Ikaros>Hm. Need something to divert my attention away for a bit. Think I'll watch a movie.
23:31*Ikaros digs into his Blu-Ray case for someting to watch on the PC
23:32<diveyez>Dont open that DVD case, its from silkroad
23:33<diveyez>Yes lol
23:34<Ikaros>Why do I prefer watching Blu-Rays on my PC? Because 2nd monitor = 48-inch LED TV
23:37<nate>not really sure I got that either
23:38<nate>the silkroad comment that is
23:41<diveyez>80% of the small orders from silkroad came in dvd cases
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