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---Logopened Tue Jan 16 00:00:51 2018
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00:05<diveyez>Encrypted LVM Installing System Failure! NOOOOOO
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01:06<FluffyFoxeh>diveyez: you're weird
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01:11<diveyez>I dont have a solution for SeLinux though
01:11<diveyez>That bitch dont want to let openvpn work
01:12<FluffyFoxeh>you're a real weirdboi
01:14<dwfreed>diveyez: the solution for selinux is to disable it
01:15<diveyez>Why do I need a second set of permissions chmod +x -R /
01:15*Woet blinks
01:15<Woet>pretty sure diveyez is Zimsky
01:15<Woet>who isnt even here
01:16<Woet>coincidence? i think not
01:17<FluffyFoxeh>what thE HELL IS THAt
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01:21<FluffyFoxeh>I ate the pie
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01:44<Abhishek>i am trying to signup in linode but email is not coming
01:44<Abhishek>can you say why?
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01:46<Woet>i bet the email arrived within those 37 seconds.
01:55<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • Better docker support <>
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02:29<nem>Didnt expect that to go so quickly.
02:29<nem>By bye specdown
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02:39<tanja84dk>does anyone know if both the x86 and x86_64 kernel from linode is patched?
02:42<@sjacobs>tanja84dk: both are on 4.14.12 which have the kpti/meltdown patches.
02:43<tanja84dk>thanks for the responce sjacobs good to hear
02:43<@sjacobs>if you are on "Latest" and have rebooted in the past week, you should be using it.
02:43<@sjacobs>can confirm with `uname -r`
02:44<tanja84dk>I have rebooted the last of the servers today ( because we could not have the downtime before now ) and the x86 is also on 4.14.12 now
02:45<tanja84dk>just wanted to make sure that it not only were x86_64 there were patched because most people use that today
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03:06*encode wonders how long before "Phase Complete
03:07<encode>Additional Maintenance is Pending" changes to all done
03:07<encode>linode has already been down and come back up
03:07<encode>is it likely to go down again?
03:08<@jhaas>encode: not in the next few days, but yes. there will be at least one more round of reboots which will be announced on blog and via ticket
03:09<encode>oh cool
03:09<encode>so for now it should be fine
03:09<@jhaas>(the meltdown round of reboots ends 1/18 more info to follow after that)
03:10<encode>must be a busy time for you guys
03:12<diveyez>They only thing that didn’t cronjob on reboot was atheme services.
03:12<diveyez>I was actually impressed with how fast it finished.
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04:29<tanja84dk>Sorry for the reconnects Had to reboot my server and for some reason my znc had issue keep the connection after reboot
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05:39<ArchNoob>Hi, I contacted and two days no reply. I recently configured my account to send a verification email when logged in from unverified IP. But I never received any email and I contacted support about it an no response yet.
05:51<@jhaas>ArchNoob: sorry we're super busy with meltdown reboots. if you pm me a ticket number or the e-mail you sent from I'll take a look
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06:28<san>we have one major issue in ou server
06:29<san>need an immediate response
06:29<@bmartin>Hello there. Do you have a support ticket open by chance?
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06:30<san>already opened
06:30<san>but delay in reply
06:30<@bmartin>what is that ticket number so I can try to have someone take a look right away
06:30<san>ok sure
06:30<@bmartin>someone will be back with you shortly
06:30<san>ok thanks
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07:27<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • seo question with old url structure <>
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08:34<linbot>all hail mcintosh o/
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08:38<vq>Guys. I have fast question. I've just add CentOS image to my instance. As I undertand by default I have only root user/password. and I should create anothe standards users on my one from console. should not I?
08:39<@jhaas>you should
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09:02<Yaakov>I broke !wx ! Boo.
09:04<Yaakov>I fixed it! Yay!
09:04<Yaakov>!wx kord
09:04<linbot>Yaakov: [metar] OBS at KORD: 15.8F/-09C, visibility 7 miles, wind 12.66 mph, chill 2.04F (altimeter: 30.41) [KORD 161351Z 30011KT 7SM -SN FEW045 BKN060 OVC100 M09/M12 A3041 RMK AO2 SLP310]
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09:11<Yaakov>Hmm... I've borken lots of scripts, apparently.
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09:11<linbot>Yaakov: That URL appears to have no HTML title.
09:11<Yaakov>Yes... Oh well...
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09:47*waltman sends some great huge love in the direction of Yaakov
09:48<Yaakov>Howdy, waltmatic.
09:48<Yaakov>This here channel has little in the way of... life.
09:49<waltman>It varies quite widely in its liveliness.
09:50<Yaakov>Sounds quite dynamic.
09:51<Yaakov>I see caker has faded from the scene....
09:52<Peng>2017-12-13 15:28:19: -!- caker [] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
09:52<Woet>just like Zimsky
09:52<Woet>thank god
09:53<Yaakov>Howdy, Peng.
09:54<Peng>Hi :)
09:54<waltman>It occured to me yesterday that I should probably send my Linode alert emails to an account that doesn't hit my Linode...
09:54<Yaakov>I migrated my 'node and it came back up in tact without help. I cheered.
09:55<Yaakov>waltman: Our diversity is our strength.
09:56<waltman>Yaakov: Indeed
09:57<Yaakov>waltman: Did I show you this?
09:57<waltman>You did not, but it's lovely! Is that Lake Michigan?
09:58<Yaakov>It is sunset over Lake Michigan near Bridgman, MI.
09:58<Yaakov>This is sunrise down the street from our house...
10:00<waltman>Did I show you this?
10:00<Yaakov>No, very nice, Let me dig something up...
10:08<Yaakov>Sorry for the delay, here you go:
10:09<Yaakov> and
10:10<Yaakov>I have a very similar shot to yours but I hadn't processed it yet.
10:11<Yaakov>Makinac Island.
10:11<Yaakov>Very nice.
10:13<Yaakov>Hey, I got a new car. Did I tell you?
10:14<Yaakov>It's great for the trips, comfortable and cargo friendly.
10:14<Yaakov>And not horrible on mileage.
10:14<Yaakov>HoopyCat is MIA... :(
10:15<Yaakov>Things change, life goes on, change is still a bitch sometimes.
10:15<dzho>Yaakov: pm?
10:15<dzho>also, hi
10:15<Yaakov>HOWDY. Go for it, never a problem.
10:15<dzho>good to know, thanks!
10:34<dwfreed>Yaakov: hoopycat is here, just not in this channel
10:34<dwfreed>also HI
10:34<Yaakov>HI THERE
10:35<Yaakov>Just talked to him elsewhere! Thanks.
10:36<Yaakov>Gotta reboot, file lock nonsense.
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10:47<Yaakov>Well, that fixed it.
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12:20<Peng>Two migration tickets. :( Happily on different days.
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12:31<emerson>i feel left out, i've only got migration tickets for one of mine so far
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12:31<smallclone>emerson: maybe you managed to get one of the special linodes that is unaffected by meltdown / spectre :)
12:31<Peng>emerson: I'd rather be left out. :P
12:31<joseifb>i have some trubles with my linode
12:33<smallclone>ok what is your question
12:35<joseifb>quisiera saber si mi linode ya esta funcionando bien o es issue de mi configuracion. en este momento esta muertas todas mis webs.
12:35<joseifb>I would like to know if my linode is already working well or is an issue of my configuration. At this moment all my websites are dead.
12:38<armiller>It could be either of those things. This is a community channel and we can't check if your Linode is working or not.
12:38<armiller>If I had to guess, I'd say your Linode might be migrating as there is quite a bit of that going on right now
12:38<Cromulent>apparently Intel have said that their fix for Spectre and Meltdown causes random reboots on Haswell and Broadwell CPU architectures - promises fix
12:46<Yaakov>I am glad all my 'nodes are PowerPC and Cray.
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12:50<diveyez>Thats bad news.
12:50<diveyez>That explains the iphone reboots.
12:50<diveyez>Dell issued patch and pulled it within the next hour... Lol
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12:51<Peng>"higher system reboots" is so vague I wasn't sure what it meant
12:51<dwfreed>wut? iphones don't run intel procs
12:59<AlexMax>I just destroyed and recreated a bunch of servers
12:59<AlexMax>hope that means they don't have to be migrated
12:59<dwfreed>wouldn't count on it
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13:15<diveyez>My bad I thought it was an intel, ARM strong it is.
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13:46<FluffyFoxeh>I find it odd that everyone here who has mentioned the maintenance status has said it says "Phase Complete"
13:46<FluffyFoxeh>Mine says "Phase 1 Complete"
13:47<FluffyFoxeh>and Phase 1 is a link to this
13:47<FluffyFoxeh>which doesn't say what phase 1 is
13:47<smallclone>yeah it's a bit unclear
13:47<millisa>i have both...
13:48<millisa>hm. no. they added the '1'
13:48<millisa>i have a screenshot from yesterday that shows 'phase complete'. those now say 'phase 1 complete'
13:49<warewolf>dwfreed: "iphone don't run intel procs" the Meltodown/Spectre thing affects basically every CPU made in the past decade, it's an architecture design flaw.
13:49<Peng>warewolf: Meltdown is mostly Intel.
13:49<FluffyFoxeh>millisa: Maybe Phase 1 refers to me rebooting the linode to a newer kernel
13:50<millisa>the ones i have that are marked phase 1 complete are all ones that have been through the linode hardware restart
13:50<FluffyFoxeh>since the one that says "Phase 1 Complete" has been rebooted recently. The other one in my account hasn't been rebooted and it just says "Maintenance Required"
13:50<dwfreed>warewolf: they were responding to Cromulent's line about intel's fixes causing increased random reboots on haswell and broadwell
13:50<FluffyFoxeh>when I say rebooted, I mean manually. I didn't see a host reboot.
13:55<@jackley>millisa: the "Phase 1 complete" text should link you to a specific section of our meltdown/spectre doc:
13:56<@jackley>we're referring to the first "Exploit" there -- Meltdown, which is in progress.
13:56<FluffyFoxeh>I thought a host reboot was required for that
13:57<@jackley>either a host reboot or a migration.
13:57<FluffyFoxeh>oh I did resize that Linode so maybe it was moved to one that was already patched
13:57<@jackley>yup, that'd move you to a patched host :)
13:58<@jackley>we realize this stuff isn't super clear, we're still toying with the wording. the feedback from y'all is helpful
13:58<millisa>is there still an api update coming that'll show the stuff?
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14:07<Rey>Hi, what port do I use when connecting with SSH
14:07<@scrane>The default is port 22
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14:08<Rey>Okay, thanks. I am getting a connection refused. Do I need to whitelist my ip ?
14:09<DrJ>is this a new linode Rey?
14:09<smallclone>Rey: that really depends on how you've set up your firewall. if you haven't, it shouldn't be blocking anything. by default Linodes don't have a firewall enabled.
14:09<Rey>I belive so. I generated a key in cPanel
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14:11<DrJ>I was going to ask the stupid question: is the linode running
14:11<Farrukh>yes its is
14:11<Farrukh>i have ew questions
14:11<smallclone>Farrukh: hi, feel free to ask your question
14:11<DrJ>Farrukh, sorry, not you
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14:11<Farrukh>before buying
14:11<smallclone>try to get more than a few words into each message though
14:12<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
14:12<Farrukh>Linode 1GB is enough ?
14:12<Cromulent>for what?
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14:13<Farrukh>i have receipy app want to host its backend
14:13<DrJ>for hosting a small site? yes
14:13<DrJ>for storing my porn collection: no
14:14<Farrukh>like its backend is in PHP
14:14<DrJ>Farrukh: we are not really going to be able to answer that
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14:14<DrJ>but you could start at the 1GB plan level and always increase it if its not
14:15<Farrukh>will i have to create that environment first or it will be there because backend is in PHP and mysql
14:15<DrJ>Installing both of those is super easy
14:16<Farrukh>how i manage files ?
14:16<smallclone>unless you install somethijng else
14:16<DrJ>I'd recommend sftp for you, with a client like filezilla
14:16<Farrukh>yes i know but u know command line is new thing for mw
14:17<Farrukh>iuse cpanel is my past
14:17<smallclone>you can purchase a cpanel license and install it on a linode easily enough
14:17<smallclone>but you still need to at least connect to the linode via ssh and run cpanel's install script
14:17<Farrukh>yes thats cost a lot too
14:17<Farrukh>if i want some other panel that is free
14:18<DrJ>best free one is webmin
14:18<smallclone>i dunno is webmin still a thing?
14:18<smallclone>ok maybe it is
14:18<Farrukh>my objective is to free myself from CMD
14:18<smallclone>i mean there are plenty of cpanel hosts
14:18<DrJ>Farrukh: if you are going to run a linux server you really should try to learn command line a little
14:19<Farrukh>i know the basics of it
14:19<smallclone>if you don't want to know anything about the command line ever then linode is a bit of an odd choice
14:19<Farrukh>i am afraid if i stuck somewhere
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14:20<Farrukh>no i want to just afraid if i sutck from whom i get help
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14:20<smallclone>Farrukh: you can either: a) hire someone to do the work for you or b) ask people online. this channel is generally pretty helpful.
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14:21<Farrukh>ok me try the linode starting with 1GB plan
14:22<Farrukh>if i sutck i need your help yuys
14:22<smallclone>if you're willing to learn, there's plenty of resources online to help you
14:24<Farrukh>yes i am willing
14:24<@scrane>Generally there will be someone around who can help point you in the right direction. Additionally, websites such as or are great resources. Any error you run into, chances are someone else has run into that error so you'll be able to find some tips to fixing it. Also, has step by step guides depending on what you are looking for.
14:24<Farrukh>thanks guys
14:24<smallclone>^ that's a free web panel thingy
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15:13<nyancat>When are my linodes going to have maintenance scheduled???
15:13<nyancat>I've noticed that the "status" has gone from "not scheduled" to "Maintenance Required" but there's no date
15:14<@mcintosh>nyancat: we'll provide 24 hours notice - our blog has a bit more background
15:15<@mcintosh>note the Jan. 10 update
15:15<nyancat>so that basically means it'll be on the 18th then
15:15<nyancat>if i'm understanding this properly
15:16<nyancat>because i haven't been scheduled for any of my servers yet, and it's the 16th now
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15:17<Stanmr>Hello, anyone here?
15:17<Stanmr>i need help
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15:18<smallclone>Stanmr: feel free to ask your question
15:18<Stanmr>I can't access my web site even though i can ssh to my linode and everythings configured correctly
15:19<smallclone>Stanmr: is it currently in its maintenance window? have you checked in the Linode manager to see if it's powered on?
15:19<smallclone>or hell, just tried pinging it?
15:20<Stanmr>It pings correctly, i can see that Linode made maintenance a few days ago but my linode says Phase 1 Complete
15:21<Stanmr>It has updated to the latest Kernel and reboted correctly
15:21<nyancat>checked to see that your httpd is running??
15:21<Stanmr>it's running and configured correctly
15:22<Stanmr>everything's good, it's just that i can't reach my site no a web browser
15:22<Stanmr>Linode Dashboard says everything's good, that's why i'm confused
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15:24<Breno_Ribeiro>Hello, Is it normal for the media to be slow? I'm waiting for 20 hours for an answer in the ticket
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15:24<@jackley>Breno_Ribeiro: can you give us your ticket number? Our response times are a bit high at the moment because of the Meltdown Maintenance tickets.
15:25<dwfreed>jackley: i remember mega-reboot for xsa-7...
15:25<Breno_Ribeiro> TicketID: 9712848
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15:26<dwfreed>jackley: including ticket lists, i did 10,000 updates in ~4 days
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15:26<@jackley>Breno_Ribeiro: got it, ty. we'll grab this as soon as we can
15:26<@jackley>dwfreed: haha. XSA-7!
15:26<dwfreed>that's how old i am
15:27<dwfreed>meltdown is xsa-254
15:27<@jackley>the XSA-8 models are much nicer. much more manageable.
15:27<dwfreed>(xsa-7 was only like 2012/2013)
15:28<@mtjones>247 vulns in 4 years?
15:28<warewolf>man, I thought XSA-7 was a supermicro motherboard model number.
15:28<warewolf>clearly I buy too much supermicro gear.
15:28<@jackley>mtjones: blame Obama.
15:28<Breno_Ribeiro>ok tks
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15:32<Peng>mtjones: Some of them only affect ARM. :P
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16:08<dwfreed>mtjones: it started out as a college student's thesis
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16:10<dwfreed>how many college students do you know with a perfect understanding of secure programming?
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16:12<dwfreed>When AWS really took off, a lot of researchers started looking really closely at it
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17:31<ididfudfqs>Hi, from russia
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18:05<yash>What is the maximum number of IPs I can buy per linode?
18:06<linbot>Each Linode comes with 1 public IPv4 address and 1 public IPv6 address. Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1 per month, and require technical justification. A /64 or /56 of IPv6 can be routed to your Linode at no charge.
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18:06<Peng>A lot.
18:06<yash>A /64 or /56 of IPv6 can be routed to your Linode at no charge. - I am not sure I understand this part
18:08<yash>Can I configure a new IP via the API?
18:09<dwfreed>yes and no
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18:10<dwfreed>for IPv4, you need a ticket to get approval for another address first
18:10<dwfreed>for IPv6, it's presently all done by support
18:11<yash>let me expose my business model. Maybe it will be clearer. Each new customer who signs up needs a dedicated IP which will be used by application. @dwfreed therefore, if I understand correctly, this cannot be automated.
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18:12<dwfreed>yash: why do they need dedicated IPs?
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18:15<yash>The application has an smtp service. We were planning to allow the customer to have his own dedicated IP for his mail processings. The IP will be used by the SMTP service (inhouse smtp service)
18:16<smallclone>you are correct that you cannot automatically get additional IPv4 addresses for a linode
18:17<dwfreed>I don't think that would be valid justification
18:18<dwfreed>there's no reason they can't all use the same IP
18:18<smallclone>assuming that what they're sending in legitimate anyway
18:20<yash>yes, But if we are automating the customer onboarding, there will be instances where we encounter malicious customers. We do not want all the client base to suffer because of this pool of malicious customers. Most of the time we will be able to only react to their actions, when the harm is done.
18:20<yash>but I understand. thanks guys.
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20:48<LMope>what other chanals are there
20:48<LMope>and how can you make one
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21:20<Karrde>so from reading the Meltdown maintenance email, it seems I do not have the choice of rebooting on my own schedule? as that won't change the host?
21:20<retro|blah>That is my impression.
21:38<Peng>You can try asking them to set up a migration for you, but I dunno if they'll say yes.
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21:59<@scrane>It depends on the nature of the maintenance. If you are being migrated, you can take that earlier. If it's a reboot of the host, that will occur only at the scheduled time. You can reach out via a ticket to request we configure a migration before the designated reboot time and we will see what we can do for you, though.
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23:10<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • Privilege to choose maintenance window for critical patches <>
23:12<Peng>Finally I get a reboot! \o/ Tomorrow
23:14<Peng>Not great timing. Oh well.
23:15<nate>I need to log in and see if I can manually trigger the migration
23:15<nate>I'd prefer to 'control' the migration of my linode being migrated tomorrow, it's a more critical one
23:15<Peng>If it's a migration, yes, you can.
23:15<nate>That's how they're doing them aren't they?
23:15<Peng>If it's a reboot, you can't, but you can ask them to hook you up with a migration.
23:15<nate>I thought my tickets said they were migrations
23:15<Peng>Some are migrations, some are reboots.
23:15<nate>Ah, this one says reboot
23:16<nate>and that's gonna be while I'm usually sleeping
23:16<nate>damnit linode, cater to my needs!
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23:28<Peng>If I take an upgrade migration, will I get on a patched host?
23:28<Peng>Or might I wind up doing two migrations, or a migration and a reboot later?
23:28<Peng>I should have asked this before. :|
23:29<Peng>Whatever. Don't need to risk it.
23:29<dwfreed>you'll still need phase 2, but in theory at this point a migration should take care of phase 1
23:29<Peng>In theory :P
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23:36*Woet migrates Peng to the moon
23:38<@jhaas>Peng: currently resizing will save you from a scheduled reboot but not a scheduled migration... we're working on fixing the latter
23:39<Peng>Do you plan to fix it in the next 21 minutes :)
23:39<dwfreed>smallclone: fwiw, I think he was thinking large scale customers
23:39<dwfreed>but still it isn't feasible
23:39<Peng>jhaas: Thanks. :)
23:39<Woet>dwfreed: no fat shaming
23:40<smallclone>it's only less feasible the larger a customer you are, if anything
23:40<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • Privilege to choose maintenance window for critical patches <>
23:40<dwfreed>smallclone: right, I remember dealing with that with a certain customer
23:41<dwfreed>it was a pain
23:41<smallclone>heh, agreed
23:47<dwfreed>smallclone: I suppose a self-service "turn this reboot into a migration" wouldn't be that bad, though you may have the issue of needing to do it twice
23:47<diveyez>smallclone's response was rude
23:48<Woet>your existence is rude
23:48<dwfreed>no it wasn't
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