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---Logopened Wed Jan 17 00:00:52 2018
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00:47<Peng>Older CPU :(
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00:51<nick134511>which email support?
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00:54<retro|blah>which email support what?
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00:56<Woet>too difficult of a question
00:56<Woet>he bailed
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01:29<cheapie>[22:38:34] <jhaas> Peng: currently resizing will save you from a scheduled reboot but not a scheduled migration... we're working on fixing the latter
01:29<cheapie>Yep, I resized mine (went to the next size up), which caused it to migrate and now there's no inconveniently-scheduled reboot pending :)
01:30<Zimsky>Woet: reply pls
01:30<Woet>Zimsky: can you go back to wherever you went when you weren't here
01:31<Zimsky>your cellar?
01:42*jhaas imagines that was some weird alias for an ssh invocation
01:43<cheapie>sshhhhh - It's like SSH, only quieter :P
01:43<Peng>It's like SSH, only even slower over a highhhhh latency connection.
01:43<Zimsky>no it's not
01:44<Zimsky>there's just a lot of packet duplication
01:44<Zimsky>lots of FEC
01:45<cheapie>Peng: Eek, don't remind me of my experiences with ssh over satellite...
01:45<Zimsky>cheapie: remember your experiences with ssh over satellite
01:48*cheapie attempts to direct a death-laser-satellite-thing at Zimsky's house, although it may take several hours at that rate
01:48<Zimsky>go for it lad
01:48<Zimsky>absolute madman
01:49*cheapie loses the connection since a snowflake fell in front of the dish
01:50<Zimsky>that's why you should move your satellite connection to The Cloud™
01:50<cheapie>But clouds and satellite connections don't work very well together :P
01:50<Zimsky>not with that attitude
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02:28<Eugene>So are Fremont and Singaporegetting DoS'ed, or what
02:29<Ikaros>Nothing seems wrong getting to anything in Fremont at the moment.
02:29<Ikaros>At least from my end
02:29<Eugene>50% packet loss from a Fremont Linode to
02:29<Eugene>And 100% to singapore
02:29<Eugene>Singapore started ~8m ago. Fremont was 20h
02:30<Woet>Eugene: theres a towel stuck in the tubes
02:30<Eugene>That graph ain't right
02:30<Ikaros>ooo, what generates that
02:30<Ikaros>That's neat.
02:31<Eugene>rrdtool, via nagiosgraph
02:31<Ikaros>nice. Anyway.
02:31<Ikaros>Let me check from my end. Sec.
02:31<Woet>ugly graph
02:31<Woet>not web 2.0
02:31*Ikaros logs into his home server to run mtr
02:32<Eugene>I get packet loss to the speetest endpoint from my home connection, too
02:32<Eugene>Please monitor your own infrastructure better, guys.
02:33<Woet>implying i care about my infrastructure
02:33<Ikaros>Now I'm seeing it on the speedtest server, yes
02:35<Eugene>Todo list item: speedtest the speedtest servers on a regular basis. Automatically open tickets when they're not up to snuff :v
02:35<Ikaros>I think the focus has been on something else.
02:36<Eugene>ICMP is most important
02:36<Woet>what about ICBM
02:36<Eugene>Only in Hawai'i
02:37<Woet>don't abuse apostrophes like that
02:37<Eugene>......uh, no. That is how it is spelled. Go look it up
02:37<Woet>i don't care how it's spelled
02:38<Woet>everyone sane spells it without the apostrophe
02:38<Eugene>I believe in enforcing strong parser standards
02:38<Eugene>And exciting punctuation
02:38<Woet>"According to board members, whether you say Hawai'i or Hawaii – both versions are correct."
02:38<Woet>now get off me
02:40<@jhaas>I think there might be an issue with the speedtest server in fremont specifically
02:40<@jhaas>anyone seeing issues to thing other than the speedtest?
02:42<Ikaros>No, I'm getting the same thing as Eugene has reported. Fremont seeing high packet loss on the speedtest server, and no connection at all to it in Singapore.
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02:52<Dennis_>Hi I have a question
02:52<Dennis_>It is about billing
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02:53<Dennis_>Is it possible to put a cap on or prevent all together additional cost when you are about to exceed you monthly limit for data traffic?
02:54<FluffyFoxeh>Set your notification threshold for transfer usage, and monitor it
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02:54*Woet transfers Zimsky to Uganda
02:55<@sjacobs>yeah. outbound transfer overages are the only thing that would cause an invoice that is higher than you expect.
02:56<Woet>what if bhanks needs more money for his crippling heroin addiction and adds small charges to everyones invoice
02:58<@jhaas>what if indeed
02:58<Woet>it isn't easy working for Linode when your name starts with a B
03:00<FluffyFoxeh>My name starts with J
03:00<FluffyFoxeh>I should work for Linode
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03:01<Woet>as long as you can park better than scrane
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03:01<FluffyFoxeh>Can't promise that
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03:01<FluffyFoxeh>I'm not great at parking
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03:39<aj>is there a datacentre i can spin up a new linode without worrying about it getting rebooted for meltdown fixes in the next 12 hours?
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03:48<@sjacobs>aj: any new Linode will be on a host that has already has meltdown patches applied.
04:01<aj>sjacobs: great, thanks
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04:02<nate>I guess I Missed the part of the email that had the timestamp in UTC
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04:03<linbot>New news from forum: Sales Questions and Answers • Bandwidth Charging? <>
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04:06<nate>in retrospect, selecting the free upgrade for this linode right as the host system is being rebooted may not have been the best idea
04:07<hawk>Maybe not the best idea, but an idea nonetheless
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04:11<nate>then again maybe was fine, looks like it migrated pretty quickly
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04:18<nate>Well uh
04:18<nate>this isn't looking good so far
04:18<nate>most of my services are completely unresponsive when trying to start them
04:19<Ikaros>You done gone screwed it up! :P
04:19<nate>Question is was it me, or the system patching :P
04:19<Ikaros>Likely you.
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04:20<nate>All I did was migrate after the reboot
04:20<Ikaros>I didn't have any problems whatsoever with mine after its reboot.
04:20<nate>Your probably also not running a pretty ancient distro lol
04:20<Ikaros>Indeed I am not
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04:21<Ikaros>While I'm hardly "cutting-edge", I do aim for a good, recent, stable version of things, right down to the distro itself.
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04:21<nate>well I mean, mine was cutting edge
04:21<nate>4 years ago or so
04:21<nate>Most of the 'critical' software on it is kept up to date at least
04:22<Ikaros>Also, lulz, I ended up draining every last byte of disk space on mine just now.
04:22<Ikaros>That's a whoops on my part
04:22<nate>I technically have an extra 6GB to work with now :P
04:23<Ikaros>The thing is I had a 14 GB file sitting in my home directory.
04:23<nate>nice lol
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04:24<Ikaros>And what I was doing when the issue appeared? Compiling gcc. Spits out the "no space left on device" error out of nowhere and I'm like "...oh...right. Whoops."
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04:24<Ikaros>(I wanted to play with the dev versions a bit)
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04:29<Ikaros>Hm. I should go turn on the heater, lol. I tend to forget it usually doesn't get this cold here. Sitting at 17F and still falling.
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04:39<tenshi1997>Can anyone tell me how can i cancel my account and get a refund? i tried opening a ticket but there is no reply from more than 20 hours now,
04:41<ponas>tenshi1997: "Canceling Your Account"
04:43<Woet>tenshi1997: wait longer?
04:44<tenshi1997>So i will get a refund if i hit that cancel account button right? because i don't see anything that says it will refund me over there
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04:45<ponas>"To request a refund, enter a note in the text field."
04:45<Woet>did you try reading it?
04:46<tenshi1997>ah okay sorry i missed that line... thank you for helping
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04:46<Woet>thats alright
04:46<ponas>tenshi1997: you *can* also wait for a reply. they are a little busy dealing with meltdown/spectre
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06:11<daniel>are you there?
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06:26<tanja84dk>Just a question where is the best place to give feedback about Because I'm missing some features on it
06:26<tanja84dk>thanks sjacobs
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07:11<@bmartin>hello there baxtiyor
07:12<baxtiyor>excuse me
07:12<baxtiyor>can anyone know system is working now or no?
07:12<@bmartin>Do you have a ticket opened with our support team currently?
07:13<baxtiyor>Phase 1 Complete Future Maintenance is Pending
07:13<baxtiyor>i see it
07:14<@sjacobs>you should be able to see on that page if it booted or not.
07:14<@bmartin>It may be worth checking out our document on the Spectre/Meltdown situation
07:15<@sjacobs>baxtiyor: if you can't connect with SSH, the lish console is a great place to start.
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07:17<@sjacobs>now that's a man that's on the ball. that quit message.
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07:24<@bmartin>!point jackley
07:24<linbot>bmartin: Point given to jackley. (3)
07:28<@sjacobs>!point mom
07:28<linbot>sjacobs: Point given to mom. (1)
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07:50<Ia>Hi - can you help with a charging question?
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07:51<dwfreed>ask away
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07:52<Guest2058>A newbie here - considering taking a server as I need Ununtu server 16.04LTS. Bit concerned by the complicated charging. IS it definite that I wont get charged anything beyond the $10.00 per month so long as I stay under the 2 TB data trasnfer limit?
07:53<Guest2058>and - is there at least 1 ip4 ip address issued with each server?
07:53<Guest2058>is there any way to prevent overrun charging on the data limit. I dont want some sort of fault condition raking up a huge bill?
07:54<dwfreed>you'll get an email when you get close
07:54<Guest2058>thanks - but I assume no then :(
07:55<dwfreed>yeah, no, there's no way externally to prevent going over the limit
07:56<dwfreed>but overages are 2 cents per gigabyte, and transfer is pooled among Linodes
07:57<Guest2058>ok thanks for your help
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08:16<tanja84dk>I have a question because I actually dont know the answer and I have been asked it. Does anyone know a program there is able to generate iptables rules out from a gui to be able to learn how rules are set up
08:17<@nmelehan>I don't know about that kind of program, but we do have a guide that explains iptables here
08:20<@jhaas>tanja84dk: mmm not sure if there is an iptables gui... off the top of my head UFW tends to be readable but that's still CLI
08:21<v0lksman>I thought there was a GUI for UFW
08:21<v0lksman>I think it was stupidly named Apache though so it may be hard to find
08:21<v0lksman>(and has been years so it may have been abandoned)
08:21<@jhaas>v0lksman: good call, appears "gufw" is a thing
08:22<v0lksman>yeah I would be surprised if there wasn't one that was at least decent... ;)
08:22<@jhaas>these are all for actually modifying iptables though... if you're asking about just generating the ruleset directly idk
08:22<@jhaas>maybe one of these has an export option
08:25<tanja84dk>v0lksman, there also is v0lksman ( remember I used one for many years ago ) unfortunally the person have had to many issues with ufw. Yeah I think for the person it needs to be exporting and not just modifying the files ( he dont have gui on the box but what to learn about chans etc, because he have been locked out to many times from changing the rules )
08:26<@jhaas>linodes have Lish ;)
08:28<tanja84dk>jhaas, well tbh even I hate Lish because most of the times it default to a stupid little windows where you almost cant see anything
08:32<@jhaas>i agree it ain't perfect. but if all you have to do is "sudo iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
08:33<dwfreed>drop the -m state --state NEW
08:33*jhaas copies and pastes things from places without always knowing
08:35*tanja84dk is actually hoping there will be another kvm when they change the webinterface there actually is able to use a full terminal
08:37<tanja84dk>jhaas, well that is not the only thing because I know even from my own firewall if that for some reason fucks up and get a rule like ssh removed then its all rules there is needed to be redone because iptables unfortunally only reads from top to buttom
08:37<@jhaas>tanja84dk: that's what the "-I" does :) it puts it at the top, whereas "-A" puts it at the bottom
08:38<tanja84dk>tbh I actually didnt knew that I have always learned to use -A
08:40<tanja84dk>For my own servers there I'm actually trying to look into if its posible to have my accept rules etc in a chain where its read the rules from the chain when it gets to accept rules
08:40<dwfreed>-I can take a position too
08:40<dwfreed>to put it in a specific spot
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08:46<tanja84dk>dwfreed, guess there should be made a tutorial for iptables there is easy to understand then because tbh I didnt know of the -I
08:49<@jhaas>looking real quick, actually the first command shown in the linode iptables guide is "iptables -I INPUT -s -j DROP"
08:49<@jhaas>albeit our example rulesets all use -I
08:49<@jhaas>srry, "all use -A" is what I meant
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08:52<tanja84dk>jhaas, unfortunally I cant use the linode tutorial because when I look at it then its all just word there is to much text on the screen for me to focus on it specially when It's not in a native language for me
08:54<tanja84dk>and also its mixing centos, fedora and arch into the same tutorial and that is completely fucking me up, specially if I have to have is read up
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09:00<tanja84dk>But I will tell him that there is not a software to export iptables rules ( at least there is maintaned ) and for my self yeah then I just have to let things be as they are
09:00<tanja84dk>until there is created some better tutorials
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09:21<gparent>this was probably mentioned, but you could just as well use a rule file imported with iptables-restore and not have to worry about messing up positions.
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09:23<tanja84dk>gparent, well If i just use a imported restore then it would be easier just to reboot the server because to many things would breake at a restore ( docker containers and fail2ban just as example ) because they are generating their own rules
09:23<trewq>Hi folks, I rebooted my machine and I cannot boot.. Need advice, opened a ticket 20 minutes ago and no response. error message:
09:24<gparent>that really depends how you configure them
09:24<gparent>but I get the idea.
09:24<@bmartin>What is that ticket number? I will get it marked urgent and try to get to it sooner trewq
09:24<trewq>bmartin: thanks.. it is 9782712
09:24<gparent>I find that long term it's better to learn how to integrate your tools with rulesets you control from a single file than editing them dynamically
09:26<tanja84dk>gparent, I'm also using a single file there is restored on boot but when I maybee have to change on live system is when I want to test things where I need a port open or a dynamic ip have changed
09:26<trewq>have not used support for years now, and have gotten a reply in 5 minutes in the past, so just posting here in case things have changed
09:27<@bmartin>trewq we strive to get back as quickly as possible. That being said this Spectre/Meltdown vulnerability is a bear.
09:27<@bmartin>You can always call in as well to get more immediate assistance.
09:27<@bmartin>We are here 24/7/365
09:28<@bmartin>366 on leap year
09:30<trewq>bmartin: thanks, calling in
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09:33<bhor>do you support Payoneer Card for payment method?
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09:33<@bmartin>bhor we accept Payoneer
09:33<bhor>thank you
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09:34<gparent>tanja84dk: yep, I just do that by creating a new file from the original one and importing that
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09:35<tanja84dk>gparent, but again then is fail2ban, docker etc breaking because they want to control it them self
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09:36<gparent>I don't use docker but as I recall fail2ban lets you choose which chain it adds to
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09:39<gparent>or maybe thats just fwknop
09:40<Yaakov>bmartin: Are you there all that time personally? I mean, THAT is dedication!
09:40<tanja84dk>gparent, well about fail2ban when I look in iptables then it creates a chain like fail2ban-ssh ( fail2ban-service ) and add rulis to the input chain
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09:40<@bmartin>yaakov yes I am an indentured Linode servant
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09:40<tanja84dk>and that is done automaticly at rebbot of the program
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09:41<Yaakov>When is your time up?
09:41<Yaakov>Hang in there, man. You'll make it.
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09:43<Yaakov>So... we are doing a major home improvement which includes finishing our full attic and remodelng a bathroom. Turns out, the second story bathroom floor is literally reinforced concrete.
09:43<Yaakov>Poor demo guy is dying in there.
09:49<Yaakov>Oops... WW.
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11:26<smallclone>hi, feel free to ask your question
11:27<smallclone>yep, hello
11:27<LiCeUser7>q: why are there attempted logins to ssh from hosts?
11:28<LiCeUser7>are they trying to hack my linode host?
11:28<smallclone>because your Linode is on the public internet
11:28<smallclone>yes probably
11:28<smallclone>it's fairly common. that's why you need to take steps to secure ssh
11:28<LiCeUser7>I am trying to use firewall-cmd to reject them but they keep coming back
11:28<smallclone>that means key-based auth at a minimum, but if the login attempts really bug you you could use something like fail2ban
11:29<smallclone>or, just move ssh to a different port
11:29<LiCeUser7>what command using firewall-cmd to permanently block them. the command i used does not block them.
11:29<LiCeUser7>is fail2ban a linux package
11:29<smallclone>"block them" is a bit vague - are you trying to only accept port 22 traffic from your own ip address?
11:30<LiCeUser7>yes, that would be helpful.
11:30<smallclone>because that is how you "block them" but it also means that whenever you take your laptop somewhere else you can't ssh unless you're using a vpn or something
11:30<LiCeUser7>since it's only a matter of time before they crack my ssh password.
11:30<smallclone>don't. use. password. auth.
11:30<LiCeUser7>i'd rather login using the pem
11:31<LiCeUser7>cos otherwise i have to ssh-keygen to remove my previous edsa key
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12:05<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Perform reboot automatically when Linode kernel update is available <>
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12:08<relidy>In case anyone's interested, there's an Ars Technica story today that includes an interview with Tory Kulick, Director of Operations and Security at Linode. The story is about the [lack of] disclosure ahead of Meltdown/Spectre.
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12:10<@bmartin>!point relidy
12:10<linbot>bmartin: Point given to relidy. (8)
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12:15<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Perform reboot automatically when Linode kernel update is available <>
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12:35<brian_>What is the value 16TB for transfer represent in the pricing table?
12:35<warewolf>wait, what are these points used for
12:35<warewolf>is it like Who's Line Is It Anyway?
12:38<Peng>It sucks to reboot the day before Ubuntu does a glibc update :(
12:40<smallclone>brian_: that represents the amount of outbound traffic from your Linode
12:41<relidy>warewolf: Just line "Who's Line", the points don't matter :)
12:41<smallclone>like, how much bandwidth you would have to use before incurring overage charges
12:41<relidy>!point warewolf
12:41<linbot>relidy: Point given to warewolf. (1)
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12:50<linbot>relidy: 1. millisa (41) 2. eugene (40) 3. dwfreed (37) 4. mcintosh (21) 5. peng (19)
12:50<@bmartin>not a thing
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12:57<tharkun>Good $DAY some time this week my linode got restarted without any prior notice. Was there any urgent reason to do that?
12:59<smallclone>do you have any open tickets in the Linode Manager?
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13:12<mrsoyer>Hello, obviously I can not create linode anymore. What are the creative limits?
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13:15<mrsoyer>my account is blocked and the support does not answer me
13:16<smallclone>mrsoyer: it sounds to me like you were doing something bad
13:16<@jalter>or perhaps they just needs a lot of Linodes
13:16<smallclone>jalter: "my account is blocked and the support does not answer me"
13:17<@jalter>mrsoyer: Are you able to log in?
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13:18<mrsoyer>@jalter yes
13:18<smallclone>so your account isn't "blocked"
13:18<@scrane>What is the exact issue you are experiencing mrsoyer?
13:19<mrsoyer>I can not create a linode anymore . "Account Limit reached. Please open a support ticket."
13:19<mrsoyer>I sent a message 2 days ago no answer
13:20<@scrane>Ah, okay. So newer Linode accounts by default have a limit of 20 linodes per account.
13:20<@scrane>I apologize for the delay. Can you let me know the ticket number and I will be able to take a look and see what I can do for you?
13:21<mrsoyer>very thanks :) my ticket is 9725437
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13:24<emerson>how long on average are people's reboots taking?
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13:28<dwfreed>emerson: shouldn't be much more than an hour
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13:31<Peng>I'd rather it was much less than an hour :P
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13:44<Yaakov>Hello, dwfreed.
13:44<dwfreed>Yaakov: HI
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13:55<linbot>New news from forum: Sales Questions and Answers • Bandwidth Charging? <>
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14:01<kashike>Is email delivery slowness known?
14:02<FluffyFoxeh>Recently I've been having event notifications delivered days late
14:05<dwfreed>would be nice if there was a status post for this
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14:07<Madeeh>hi any windows hosting package with u
14:07<Madeeh>need a windows droplet
14:07<linbot>It is possible to run Windows on !kvm Linodes. Here's a set of unofficial instructions:
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14:07<@scrane>Beat me to it, dwfreed
14:08<dwfreed>and i'm on my phone
14:08<@scrane>We don't have any specific packages for Windows, however you can follow that linked guide and that should allow you to set up Windows on a Linode.
14:10<Madeeh>ok thanks
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14:36<anew2>i submitted a ticket 24 hours ago with no reply, what is the estimated reply time for tickets?
14:36<millisa>They don't give one; but if it's important you can call. (they probably are backlogged with tickets due to the meltdown/spectre patches)
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14:42<@jackley>anew2: hi! what's your ticket number?
14:42<@jackley>anew2: millisa is correct, we have quite a few tickets because of the Meltdown reboots :)
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14:45<anew2>ticket id 9747997
14:53<@scrane>Thanks for that, anew2 someone is looking at the ticket right now and you should get an update soon
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14:57<Guest2080>hi - a new person with some questions - can you help? If I take a server is there a firewall outside the machinie or are all ports open by default?
14:57<millisa>all ports are open. you manage the firewall on the server.
14:57<Guest2080>ah so I have to use ufw
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14:58<millisa>if you want to use ufw...
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14:58<Guest2080>is there a better way to firewall on ubuntu server?
14:59<millisa>ufw is just fine if that's what you are used to
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14:59<Guest2080>yes - not really used to it - have used it before but im no expert
15:00<millisa>This should get the basics:
15:00<Guest2080>excellent - thanks for the link
15:01<Guest2080>thats all I need for now
15:08<Guest2080>one more question if I may
15:09<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
15:09<Guest2080>Do I need to take the backup service to get a backup of my server ir is there an easier way - I dont need regular daily backups - just one every now and then when the config changes?
15:09<Zimsky>Guest2080: can I give you an answer?
15:10<smallclone>Guest2080: you could employ some other kind of backup solution on your own, the backuo service is Linode's offering that's the easiest to use with their service
15:10<smallclone>in terms of easier though, it doesn't get much easier than the backup service
15:10<Yaakov>Guest2080: For the price you are unlikely to match it unless your time is worthless.
15:11<Guest2080>I see - I know ima cheapskate but I just wondered !
15:11<Guest2080>thanks everyone
15:11<Yaakov>Backups are insurance and when they pay off you win big time. When they don't it's not very expensive and you should be happy with that outcome.
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15:13<Zimsky>that sounds like a girl from high school - Ima Cheapskate
15:13<dwfreed>Yaakov: i have a perl question for you
15:13<Zimsky>dwfreed: the answer is 5g/kg of prussic acid
15:13<Yaakov>OK. If I don't know the answer I will make something up that sounds very convincing.
15:14<Guest2080>yakov - thanks
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15:14<dwfreed>Yaakov: sent PM
15:14<Guest2080>Zimsky - Yes - lol - hadnt thought of that
15:15<Guest2080>Can I take a server for only one month and not renew - if so how do I cancell it without cancelling the whole account ?
15:16<@bmartin>If you just remove the server you won't be billed for it any longer
15:16<@bmartin>but your account can remain active
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15:24<tmberg>Irc shuts down..
15:29<Zimsky>exit is a latin word
15:29<Zimsky>i find this cool
15:30<Yaakov>It's a bonus.
15:30<Zimsky>bona fide
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15:52<Zimsky>!wx UEEE
15:52<linbot>Zimsky: [metar] OBS at UEEE: -40.0F/-40C, visibility 1000 miles, wind 2.24 mph, chill N/A (altimeter: 30.031992711) [UEEE 172030Z 33001MPS 1000 0800NE R23L/1800N FG NSC M40/M44 Q1017 R23L/490150]
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16:01<diveyez>I had major issues with UFW bugs after python 3 update, I believe they have since updated it.
16:02<Zimsky>do you also believe the earth is round?
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17:15<Stanmr>Hello, i need help. Yesteray i set up a Web site using Wordpress and it was working flawless. Today i was planning on working with it and i started getting 500 errors, now i cannot even access my server using SSH or FTP I opened a ticket but no one is responding.
17:16<Zimsky>try lish
17:16<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled.
17:16<Zimsky>yes, your site config is your responsibility
17:17<Stanmr>i can use lish, but unfortunately it's useless to me since i cannot upload or remove core files from my installation
17:17<Zimsky>it's not useless
17:17<Zimsky>you can use it to fix your problem
17:17<Zimsky>check logs, make config changes, etc
17:18<Stanmr>May i get some help? Why can't i ssh or ftp?
17:18<synfinatic>did you try lish?
17:18<synfinatic>cuz we can't actually login to your box and debug this for you
17:19<Stanmr>I am connected to lish
17:19<Stanmr>as i said before
17:19<Zimsky>then check some logs
17:19<synfinatic> /var/log/messages (or /var/log/syslog) is probably a good start on the ssh errors
17:20<Zimsky>make sure sshd is running, check it's bound to your ssh port
17:20<millisa>check to see if you can ping your linode's gateway
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17:20<Zimsky>ping the google
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17:21<Stanmr>there are not such directories
17:22<synfinatic> /var/log is the directory. those are files
17:23<Stanmr>Restarted sshd service but is not working
17:23<synfinatic>"not working"
17:23<synfinatic>more precise?
17:23<synfinatic>examples: connection refused
17:23<synfinatic>connection timeout
17:23<synfinatic>authentication failed
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17:23<Stanmr>Could not connect to server error
17:24<Stanmr>it was all of the sudden
17:24<synfinatic>dumb question, but gotta ask. you sure you're ssh'ing to the right box? :)
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17:24<synfinatic>verify your ip
17:24<synfinatic>ifconfig via lish will tell you
17:25<Stanmr>lol, yeah, i'm sure of course. I tried connecting through both root and othe user i made, i can ping the server correctly
17:25<millisa>if you give the IP, we can see if we see the ports open...
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17:26<millisa>I see ssh, 80 and 443 open. when I hit 80 with a web browser it says hola mundo
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17:26<millisa>if you can't ssh to it, there's going to be something in the logs.
17:26<millisa>sorry, 443 shows 'closed', my mistake.
17:27<Stanmr>It says hola mundo (hello world in spanish) because i tested making an index.html file
17:27<synfinatic>i can ssh to it as well. can't login of course, but then again I shouldn't be able to
17:27<synfinatic>next thing is make sure you use the right user/password
17:28<synfinatic>looks like you're running ubuntu. /var/log/syslog should be there iirc
17:28<synfinatic>will have info about why you're having issues with ssh
17:29<Stanmr>the last log line is from yesterday, when it was working fine
17:30<Stanmr>log line from syslog*
17:31<Stanmr>it says failed password but, how come i can login to lish with, of course, the SAME credentials, but not to my ssh console or FTP?
17:32<smallclone>because lish basically simulates having a keyboard and screen plugged into your computer
17:32<smallclone>so it works even without network access
17:32<smallclone>whereas ssh or sftp aren't going to work if your networking is broken
17:33<Stanmr>i see, let me check something
17:33<Stanmr>thank you so much guys
17:33<Stanmr>sorry for the trouble
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18:06<Zeniic>Hello! I have a quick question about Linode VM's
18:06<smallclone>Zeniic: hi, feel free to ask
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18:08<Zeniic>Cheers. Is the allowed 1TB transfer just uploading from the server? I see on the site it mentions "Inbound" which means data coming TO the server?
18:08<Zeniic>For example people could download up to 1TB from me without me going over? however I could download from other people as much as I wish?
18:09<relidy>Zeniic: Correct. Only traffic outbound (from the server's perspective) is metered.
18:09<relidy>I believe IPv6 traffic in both directions is still unmetered as well.
18:10<Zeniic>Also I was wondering if there are any *decent* comparisons available from Linode VS the other top suppliers (Who i will not name; Just in case)
18:10<Zeniic>Cool! I'll have a play around.
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18:11<dwfreed>relidy: intra-DC IPv6 is unmetered
18:12<dwfreed>relidy: anything leaving the DC is metered
18:12<relidy>Ah, I almost hedged that statement to that affect. Guess I should have. Thanks!
18:12<relidy>Yeah, yeah. Knew it as soon as I said it
18:12<relidy>I'm the grammar guy here >.>
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18:13<Zeniic>So uhm do you guys know of any decent comparisons against other companies?
18:13<Zeniic>I've looked at another big supplier but it seems better here from what I can see.
18:14<smallclone>i mean google will probably provide you more up to date stuff..
18:15<smallclone>but i know linode likes this one
18:15<smallclone>that's specifically a $5/month plan showdown though
18:15<relidy>dwfreed: Does the IPv6 metering count between Linode DCs? If I have a node in Atlanta and one in Dallas, that's unmetered, right? Or am I just plain out of date on that?
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18:16<dwfreed>relidy: between DCs is probably metered still
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18:16<dwfreed>relidy: it's possible that once Linode's backbone is completely operation, inter-DC will be unmetered
18:16*relidy nods
18:16<relidy>Thanks again
18:16<relidy>!point dwfreed
18:17<linbot>relidy: Point given to dwfreed. (38)
18:17<Zeniic>Thanks for the help guys.. I'm new here but appreciate the support for such silly questions.
18:18<relidy>Not nearly as silly as many of the questions ...
18:20<Zeniic>I can imagine! I'm looking at the article now and it's helping a lot (Thinking of moving from OVH)
18:22<Zeniic>Sorry.. Last one... What are Linode's views on high usage VM's? We have some fairly CPU intensive tasks ran almost 24Hrs and OVH are fine with this.
18:23<Zeniic>Also DO are
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18:29<smallclone>if you're going over your CPU allotment consistently they may have an issue with it, but generally you should be fine
18:30<Zeniic>I will contact Linode directly and let them know what is headed their way and if they do not accept high CPU usage we will not abuse
18:31<synfinatic>just will get throttled if other people need CPU
18:32<Zeniic>Got it! we have spun up 5 Droplets at DO and are looking to see if we can cut some of the costs by relocating here.
18:32<Zeniic>Also dedicated hardware would not be too ideas as the workload is better if distributed
18:33<Peng>Linode may not appreciate it if you max out CPU 24/7 though.
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18:35<Zeniic>I will get in touch with them! We don't wish to abuse any company CPU's at all if possible. (I personally know the feeling of a machine that is being bogged down by an abuser)
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18:36<Peng>Me too, I use *almost* too much CPU. :P
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18:37<Peng>It sucks to be me or anyone else on my host.
18:38<Zeniic>I'm sure they have it all managed and balanced correctly!
18:38<Zeniic>I'll be sending them an email regarding this, but for now I'm off! Thanks for the support all.
18:38<Peng>One sec
18:39<Peng>Linode is traditionally vague about how much CPU is too much CPU, but one of the staff recently said that using like around half of your CPU (e.g. 50% out of 100%, or 100% out of 200%) isn't too much but begins to approach too much.
18:40<Peng>If you email them they might say something different. :P
18:41<Zeniic>Awesome! Thank you for that ;)
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18:42<Peng>If you ask them I expect they'll say something similar or refuse to answer. :P
18:42<Zeniic>probably :P
18:42<Zeniic>anyway! I gotta run. cheers :)
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19:31<Guest2100>Hey, is Linode planning on adding separate scalable storage in the future? I vaguely remember rumblings about that, but I don't remember now.
19:33<smallclone>they're still in beta on it
19:33<smallclone>in fremont at the moment iirc
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19:43<warewolf>whee, reboot test complete. Linode comes back up now.
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19:43<smallclone>arguing vehemently on linode's ancient phpbb forum is the closest i get to come to being 15 again
19:44<warewolf>15 was me playing LORD over RIPTERM.
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19:54<mes>so blog says fleetwide reboot will be completed by the 18th and we would be notified before hand. yet it seems the newark hardware I'm on is still up and it's the 17th
19:55<mes>anyone know when the gear will be patched?
19:55*dzho knows of newark hardware being rebooted on the 18th
19:55<@scrane>Hey, mes If you take a look at your dashboard on you should see just to the right of your Linode's name when it is scheduled to undergo the maintenance
19:56<mes>they're not sending e-mail?
19:56<millisa>(I do have a couple scheduled for the 19th)
19:56<@scrane>You should be getting a ticket as well
19:57<mes>thanks, I see it is set for day and a half from now
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20:00<Guest2103>why am I recieving emails my server has rebooted?
20:00<smallclone>probably because of the maintenance
20:00<smallclone>check your dashboard
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20:05<microvb>I have a question regarding older kernels when you are doing the patch for Meltdown/Spectre, and how this may impact one of my clients servers which is running an older OS
20:06<microvb>The kernel in use (latest available that will boot), is "Linux version 4.5.5-x86_64-linode69" -- is there a plan to update this kernel ? will the update cause CentOS 5 to fail to boot ?
20:06<Peng>You should use a new kernel.
20:06<microvb>no choice.
20:07<Peng>You have choices, but maybe none of them are good.
20:07<microvb>upgrade = software fails.
20:07<dwfreed>Linode only maintains 1 kernel for each of amd64 and x86
20:07<dwfreed>so fix the software?
20:07<microvb>ok, so that kernel will not recieve the update ?
20:07<Peng>The update is 4.14.2. :P
20:07<dwfreed>or newer
20:08<microvb>it's not MY software lol... else I totally would. it is also compiled and obfuscated.
20:08<Peng>I didn't know new kernels were already out!
20:08<microvb>ok.. awesome :)
20:08<Peng> is up to 4.14.14.
20:08<dwfreed>linbot: list rss
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20:08<dwfreed>oh right, !
20:08<Peng>microvb: This software sounds terrible.
20:08<microvb>and the update to the host won't impact the use of an older kernel ?
20:08<linbot>dwfreed: Latest 32 bit (4.14.12-x86-linode111) <> || Latest 64 bit (4.14.12-x86_64-linode92) <> || 4.14.12-x86-linode111 <> || 4.14.12-x86_64-linode92 <> || 4.14.11-x86-linode110 (3 more messages)
20:08<Peng>microvb: You should get a refund.
20:09<dwfreed>microvb: in theory, no; in practice, it's not something Linode will support
20:09<Peng>microvb: You could endeavour to compile 4.4.112 yourself, which probably has some of the fixes backported.
20:09<dwfreed>so if it does, you're on your own
20:09<dwfreed>Peng: yeah, but the 4.4 fixes *suck*
20:09<Peng>Guess what Ubuntu 16.04 runs!
20:09<Peng>when it runs, anyway
20:10<microvb>ya, likely not going to happen :S ... will do what I can to get the client to update.
20:10<Peng>microvb: CentOS probably has a kernel package that will run on KVM. It's probably derived from something incredibly old, with some or most of the fixes backported.
20:10<microvb>in the meantime, please continue as planned, leaving that older stuff alone :S
20:11<Peng>It's hard to type 4.14.14.
20:12<dwfreed>not that hard
20:13<Peng>microvb: This is a bad situation. Everyone's busy and it's difficult or impossible to backport everything to the old kernel series.
20:13<Peng>microvb: Though Red Hat will no doubt try.
20:13<Peng>microvb: And Linode does not normally maintain old kernel series.
20:13<microvb>im not asking for a backport .... i was asking that you DONT backport :)
20:13<Peng>You can keep using your old insecure kernel.
20:14<microvb>yay..... :)
20:14<trippeh>I was kind of hoping some of the distros would just go "fuck it" and roll out 4.14 due to these bugs.
20:15<tanja84dk>omg linode I really want to go to bed. Please FFS fix all your servers in a data center at the same time and not spread it out
20:15<millisa>that would defeat the purpose of balancing servers in a datacenter...
20:15<smallclone>yeah that would be terrible
20:16<tanja84dk>Well tbh I dont care it should not take over 24 hours to upgrade a data center
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20:17<Yaakov>tanja84dk: Based on what? How long should a "data center" take?
20:17<tanja84dk>I pay for uptime and not the fucking terrible patching that you are saying taking up tp 2 hours for each
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20:17<smallclone>tanja84dk: what do you know about upgrading a data center full of hosts, that makes your opinion worth anything?
20:18<tanja84dk>Yaakov, well linode says it "only takes two hours to upgrade" and they are saying that we still will be down in that time
20:18<millisa>the longest i've had so far has been 30 minutes.
20:18<tanja84dk>so there is no migration to other hosts
20:19<Yaakov>There are capacity issues when you have to deal with tens of thousands of VMs. They aren't going pruposely slowly.
20:19<tanja84dk>They have the practice from their "test" in tokio
20:20<tanja84dk>and they know their system. So it should just be shutdown, patch then reboot
20:20<tanja84dk>because no vm's wont be moved
20:20<smallclone>man it sounds like they could really use you there to spout oversimplified nonsense at them
20:20<smallclone>too bad
20:20<tanja84dk>its only a patching not a migration
20:21<Yaakov>Mine was migrated. Not patched yet, though.
20:22<warewolf>tanja84dk: exactly how many nines in 99.9xxxx do you think you're paying for?
20:22<millisa>well, the first 3 9's.
20:22<millisa>it's somewhere around #5 in the TOS
20:23<millisa>and then you can request prorated credit on your pennies!
20:23<warewolf>someone's SUPER entitled.
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20:24<kenyon>my upgrade this morning took like 60 seconds
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20:24<dwfreed>Linode's SLA is 99.9%, as mentioned; this only applies to unexpected downtime, not planned maintenance
20:24<millisa>Spanish Inquisition Downtime.
20:25<dwfreed>(which is typical of SLAs)
20:25<Yaakov>Sybanese Liberations Armies?
20:26<tanja84dk>warewolf, well they dont even have 95% uptime
20:26<warewolf>tanja84dk: that's a pretty bold statement. Do you have something to back it up?
20:26<warewolf>tanja84dk: and take note, I've been a Linode customer for _a decade_
20:27<dwfreed>the uptime is calculated on the whole month
20:27<millisa>that'd be a 36 hour downtime
20:27<tanja84dk>all those server migrations they forced me to do last year yes then there were so much down time
20:28<Yaakov>"Your account has been active since June 03, 2008"
20:28<Yaakov>Not quite a decade yet...
20:29<dwfreed>tanja84dk: as noted, 95% uptime in a 1 month (30 day) period would be a downtime of 1.5 days
20:29<warewolf>"Your account has been active since April 29, 2005"
20:29<warewolf>gimme that UML Linode64 baby!
20:30<dwfreed>warewolf: ohdear
20:30<warewolf>I got SO VERY MUCH done in 64mb of ram
20:30<warewolf>I think I had a mysqld running too
20:30<warewolf>that in itself is a feat
20:31<warewolf>like, 5th ed AD&D feat.
20:31<tanja84dk>But another thing spectre and meltdown cant be so dangerus, because even Motherboard manifactures wont patch that many of their bios'es, like here at home there is three pc's and none of them is able to be patched even that they only is three years old
20:31<warewolf>waoh woah woah
20:31<warewolf>dial that back
20:31<smallclone>yeah that's an excellent argument as to why they are not dangerous
20:32<smallclone>this just keeps getting better
20:32<warewolf>unless you work for Intel, or you're the folks at Google who found the vulnerability, you have no room to speak.
20:32<tanja84dk>if they were then they would patch
20:32<dwfreed>fwiw, you don't need BIOS updates to patch the vulnerability
20:32<dwfreed>BIOS updates just obviate the need for the OS to carry the microcode update itself
20:32<tanja84dk>Like intel wont patch the bios in our home server. And MSI wont patch the two work stations
20:33<smallclone>clearly they won't patch them because you are in no danger
20:33<warewolf>tanja84dk: what OS do those systems run? Lemme guess, windows or linux?
20:33<tanja84dk>dwfreed, well everyone said you did for spectre v2 and v2
20:33<tanja84dk>warewolf, fixed
20:33<nate>tanja84dk: I have no idea what you're talking about, Intel released 25 years worth of models microcode updates for spectre
20:33<dwfreed>the spectre fixes are microcode updates...
20:33<nate>as for meltdown, it's neither an Intel or a motherboard relative fix, that's patched in the OS
20:33<tanja84dk>nate, so they did not that were only meltdown
20:34<nate>tanja84dk: Meltdown cannot be fixed in the microcode (according to intel)
20:34<nate>which is why it's an OS patch
20:34<tanja84dk>well it were the micro code there fixed meltdown on the home server from intel
20:34<trippeh>neither do Spectre, that is, the microcode updates do nothing on their own. they just expose new stuff the operating systems can use to mitigate Spectre.
20:35<tanja84dk>but the server is still vulnerple for spectre
20:35<nate>Then go get the patch from intel and apply it
20:35<tanja84dk>nate, that is installed
20:35<tanja84dk>they have put it directly into the ubuntu repo
20:35<millisa> is available.
20:35<warewolf>tanja84dk: you do realise that OS updates A) provide CPU microcode updates, and B) provide OS kernel updates right
20:35<smallclone>i thinkwe're losing sight of the fact that you said linode shouldn't patch for these vulns because in theory some manufacturer of your home server didn't
20:35<nate>if you're still showing vulnerable to to spectre some hwo I Would say it isn't?
20:36<millisa>i'm enjoying saying it.
20:36<warewolf>millisa: oh my god I just laughed so hard at that.
20:36<tanja84dk>smallclone, I said the bios wont get upgrade so it cant be so serius
20:36<warewolf>millisa: almost as hard as
20:36<nate>tanja84dk: BEcause this isn't something to patch in the BIOS...?
20:36<smallclone>cool maybe you should tell you know, every other hosting provider that
20:36<smallclone>and intel while you're at it
20:36<tanja84dk>nate, there isa
20:36<dwfreed>no, full host compromise isn't serious at all
20:37<smallclone>i'm sure they'd be thrilled to know
20:37<tanja84dk>but I guess the kid as nate dont listen to the tech news
20:37<tanja84dk>I guess nate should get back to his mommy to get milk
20:37<nate>tanja84dk: Again, cite?
20:38<dwfreed>nate: well, BIOS updates can include microcode updates, which the BIOS will then apply during POST
20:38<tanja84dk>nate, looking
20:38<dwfreed>tanja84dk: enough
20:38<nate>dwfreed: Yes but that's not a "BIOS Update"
20:38<dwfreed>nate: it is in a way
20:38<nate>or "BIOS Upgrade" as they called it
20:38<tanja84dk>but I cant find it the way the kid nate is spamming
20:38<nate>dwfreed: That's like calling it a windows update when you do on the fly UEFI updates through windows
20:39<tanja84dk>nate, your mommy is calling
20:39<dwfreed>tanja84dk: I said enough; if you're going to be childish, you'll find yourself unable to speak; last warning
20:39<nate>tanja84dk: I get it, you're disgruntled I called you out for sources and you can't provide them, no need to get all hissy
20:39<dwfreed>and if you harass nate in PM, you'll find yourself unable to join this network
20:39<tanja84dk>no there is firmware upgrade to bios on the way
20:39<tanja84dk>but only to newer motherboards
20:40<tanja84dk>so it cant be eso serius
20:40<nate>dwfreed: I feel like they're just trolling at this point anyways
20:40<warewolf>you're so misinformed, and everyone here has been trying to educate you.
20:41<smallclone>nah i have 100% been making fun with no instructive motive
20:41<dwfreed>smallclone: :D
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20:43<warewolf>microcode updates do not exclusivly come from bios firmware updates
20:43<warewolf>they also come through OS updates. Whether it's OSX, Windows or Linux.
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20:43<tanja84dk>but again they dont go that far back in the bios they want to update so again it can not be so dangerus
20:44<warewolf>you clearly do not understand
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20:44<nate>they do, they're just trollin, leave 'em to themselves :P
20:44<tanja84dk>call me dude one more time and I call your mom to get your ass kicked
20:44<nate>not even good trolling either
20:44<tanja84dk>MSI pushes out motherboard BIOS updates to tackle recent security vulnerabilities
20:44<smallclone>what a weird threat
20:45<tanja84dk>shut up kid
20:45<smallclone>sorry i meant what a weird threat, dude
20:45<tanja84dk>you are not allowed to talk
20:45<@mcintosh>be nice
20:45<tanja84dk>ohh smallclone is also a kid
20:46<tanja84dk>that should have milk from his mommy
20:46<smallclone>yep that's why i'm the one throwing a tantrum about a maintenance reboot
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20:46<smallclone>ah finally
20:47<millisa>aw. i wasn't finished registering for him.
20:47<warewolf>still laughing.
20:47<smallclone>he had a really weird understanding of moms
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20:48<warewolf>Welhp, I'm giong to go off and paly smoe vdieo geams on a CPU arriethtccue taht has had Scptere and Mwedoltn vetilaibeurnils for the psat deedca. Eonjy yuor envenig foslk!
20:48<Yaakov>Shouldn't it be to attract venture capitalists
20:49<warewolf>wow, vulnerabilities really got butchered by hardlycrypt.
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20:49<trippeh>Spectre V2 mitigation: Vulnerable: Minimal generic ASM retpoline. grr ship a updated compiler already :p
20:55<Peng>Yaakov: And to support imperial looting of colonies
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21:14<tezigo>what's a good secure distro of linux
21:14<tezigo>for desktop computing. banking for instance
21:15<dwfreed>this seems a weird channel to ask that question
21:15<tezigo>linode is a Linux hosting company
21:15<tezigo>its apt to assume that there are sys admins here who know about linux
21:15<tezigo>especially given the fact that you all bitch at me about not using Linux :P
21:15<dwfreed>most of them don't run Linux on their desktop :P
21:15<warewolf>I do!
21:16<warewolf>and I get laughed at, at work all the time. "Sorry, we don't support Linux" ...
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21:17<kenyon>pretty much any distribution can do desktop banking securely
21:17<warewolf>tezigo: I do computer security for a living. How paranoid do you wish to be, to protect your banking?
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21:17<warewolf>give me a number, between 1 (insecure) and 5 (paranoia)
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21:18<tezigo>I have reason to believe that nation state funded and highly resourceful adversary is taking measures to prevent me from achieving any kind of security
21:18<tezigo>to the point that the banks computer system fails when I try to set a telephone access ID instead of having to communicate sensitive information over the phone
21:18<tezigo>ao, 5
21:18<warewolf>I'm sorry, I can't help you.
21:19<warewolf>nothing can defend you against those kinds of resources.
21:19<tezigo>the thing is
21:19<tezigo>I got like.. 5 bucks
21:19<nate>you might as well just get off the internet if you literally think a government is directly out to get you
21:19*tezigo dux
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21:20<tezigo>so if I said 5
21:20<tezigo>what would your suggestion be
21:20<warewolf>distro doesn't matter.
21:20<warewolf>it's about data in transit, and data at rest.
21:20<millisa>data at tenagra.
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21:21<tezigo>so what is your suggestion
21:22<warewolf>presuming you do online banking via a web browser, go to your banking site, and copy down the details of the SSL certificate.
21:22<warewolf>issuer, etc. Have a browser profile (e.g. firefox -no-remote -ProfileManager) dedicated to banking. Disable every other SSL CA in there, except for the one your bank uses.
21:23<tezigo>are you aware of any certified 3rd party verified security focused distributions who's downloads are cryptographically signed (e.g. pgp)
21:23<warewolf>tezigo: literally all of them meet those requirements
21:23<smallclone>other practices are way more important than a distro
21:23<warewolf>tezigo: have your Linux OS on a bootable USB stick. Have it with you at all times. Have the OS on that stick LUKS encrypted.
21:24<millisa>or you could just give your money to me. problem solved.
21:24<warewolf>have a laptop you ONLY use for banking. Have no hard drive in it. Boot the laptop off the USB stick always.
21:24<millisa>could get you setup with a nice sandwich heavy portfolio
21:25<warewolf>so that's what I do (basically) for my super important files. On a USB stick that I wear as a necklace.
21:26<warewolf>nobody but me knows the password. It's not written down anywhere. I have a backup in a secure off-site location.
21:27<tezigo>think Linux mint's good enuf?
21:27*sjacobs applies hand to forehead.
21:27<tezigo>Yes I understand what you're saying.
21:28<warewolf>if you want, you can go more paranoid crazy by integrating a hardware security module like a yubikey.
21:28<tezigo>2fa is always a good thing
21:29<warewolf>there are dracut modules for tieing together a yubikey + luks, that way you have 2fa
21:29<tezigo>that sounds awesome
21:29<tezigo>luks is a pita
21:29<warewolf>my laptops are 100% encrypted
21:29<tezigo>this one's about to be when I get there
21:29<tezigo>i heard about tc
21:29<warewolf>the only thing that isn't encrypte dis the boot sector (grub)
21:29<tezigo>veracrypt looks sketchy
21:30<warewolf>grub prompts me for my LUKS password
21:30<smallclone>all of my passwords are stored in an encrypted .dmg which i promptly forget the password to
21:30<LMope>how can i add a theme?
21:30<LMope>i know the comand but where do u put it
21:30<smallclone>hm this is a new one
21:30<smallclone>add a theme to what?
21:31<LMope>yep im new
21:31<warewolf>tezigo: read this
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21:31<smallclone>oh i always just changed the terminal theme..
21:31<warewolf>tezigo: forewarning: LUKS encryption on a USB stick is sssssllllllooooooowwwwwwww
21:31<LMope>nvm figyerd it out
21:32<tezigo>so who are you guys anyway
21:32<warewolf>it's slow because USB flash is slow as molasses in the dead of wintre in siberia
21:32<warewolf>I'm warewolf. I'm from the internet.
21:32<warewolf>I'm here to help.
21:32<tezigo>Yes but you know the phrase
21:32<smallclone>customers an ex-employees of linode mostly. also there's some linode staff here.
21:32<tezigo>if you're not paying..
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21:33<tezigo>I haven't seen my sister in a bit
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21:33<tezigo>Not sure if the two are related
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21:54<Peng>The same Linode has a migration in 2 hours and a reboot tomorrow. O_o
21:55<Peng>Is ticket response time under 2 hours right now. Hypothetically.
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21:56<@sjacobs>Peng: no. do you have a ticket number you want us to look at?
21:57<Peng>Well, I'd like to know if the migration is off. :P
21:57<Peng>sjacobs: 9730221 and 9815364
21:57<@sjacobs>thanks. i'll take a look and update them.
21:57<Peng>Thank you!
21:57<Peng>I'm fine with whatever outcome, but I would like to know what it will be. :P
21:58<tanja84dk>great no eta of when the first server will get up again just pending with "Future Maintenance is Pending"
21:58<Peng>tanja84dk: Soon
21:58<tanja84dk>Peng, yeah it has said that the last 30 min
21:59<tanja84dk>So I guess some time the 19 it will get up
22:00<tanja84dk>great and now they took my second server down so now I dont have any access to the rest of the servers
22:00<@scrane>The maintenance window is 2 hours, though the actual maintenance has been taking shorter than that normally.
22:02<tanja84dk>well its now an hour and its still saying "Future Maintenance is Pending" for about 30 min So I guess it wont be within two huors
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22:03<tanja84dk>but yeah I guess I wont get any sleep tonight thin
22:03<millisa>it doesn't say something above that line?
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22:05<tanja84dk>Phase 1 Complete but its not saying how many Phases there are
22:05<Peng>Phase 1 is it for today.
22:05<@scrane>The future maintenance will be days or longer from now.
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22:05<tanja84dk>And Why the fucking hell not write it then on the dashboard
22:05<tanja84dk>ohh right its because linode is morons
22:06<millisa>did you click on the link?
22:06<Peng>tanja84dk: Or you could click on the link and not be an asshole.
22:06<tanja84dk>because when something is pending then its saying you are in queue for something
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22:07<@scrane>Because we do not have a schedule for the next maintenance that will be required for the mitigation at this time. This is our way of indicating and telegraphing that there will be maintenance in the future.
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22:07<tanja84dk>Peng, Well its not saying ANYTHING about phasess there You fucking moron also
22:07<millisa>It does say something about it.
22:08<tanja84dk>its linking to
22:08<millisa>See section titled "What does “Phase Complete” in the Linode Manager mean?"
22:08<Peng>tanja84dk: What millisa said but with more swearing
22:08<smallclone>geez can someone ban this idiot's IP already
22:08<millisa>vulnerple nerple nerple.
22:09<millisa>Just finished getting the cert setup for
22:09<tanja84dk>smallclone, your mommy is calling
22:09<tanja84dk>for calling me a idiot
22:09<tanja84dk>you kid
22:09<@scrane>tanja84dk Stop, or you will be banned.
22:09<@scrane>Everyone in general, let's take a breath and not insult each other.
22:10<tanja84dk>scrane, he started by calling me a idiot but okay just cover overe him "GOD"
22:10<millisa>so is your linode not running despite it saying that phase 1 is complete?
22:10*tanja84dk dont think scrane is any god
22:11<tanja84dk>no and now I cant start it because it talk internal to the other server there is down
22:11<tanja84dk>so cant test it manually
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22:13<tanja84dk>and also now even if I could start it then I would not be able to manage it because my management network is down so no ssh access because that is also on the server they have taken down now
22:14<warewolf>you have no fault tolerance, or redundency?
22:14<warewolf>what's your disaster recovery plan?
22:14<millisa>I could swear an hour ago you said "omg linode I really want to go to bed. Please FFS fix all your servers in a data center at the same time and not spread it out"
22:15<tanja84dk>the disaster plan is rebuild everything from backup
22:15<tanja84dk>millisa, yes But I cant go to bed before the servers are up running again
22:17<tanja84dk>warewolf, but yeah If I have to rebuild from backup then its 3 out of four servers there is needing a rebuild
22:22<warewolf>I think this is an opportunity for learning.
22:22<tanja84dk>Actually starting to think the server there just were taken down wont come back. 3 min on the website where its say restarting and lish cant see its session
22:22<tanja84dk>shut up warewolf
22:23<warewolf>the learning experience here is to have enough redundant systems, and redundant networks, such that when one of the systems are unavailable, you can continue to operate
22:24<Ikaros>Suddenly I feel an aura of hostility in here. It's very unpleasant.
22:24<tanja84dk>warewolf, well I dont want to pay linode for three servers just to run vpn on because that is not worth the money
22:24<Peng>I think I might have burned my finger :(
22:24<Peng>Not badly
22:24<tanja84dk>specially when there only is 4 servers on my account
22:25<warewolf>tanja84dk: okay, so you accepted the risk by not choosing to pay more.
22:25<warewolf>tanja84dk: this is called risk management.
22:25<Peng>tanja84dk: Why do you think it won't come back?
22:25<warewolf>tanja84dk: you're angry, but the only person you should be directing your anger toward is yourself.
22:25<Peng>tanja84dk: Anything is possible, but it's unlikely.
22:25<Peng>warewolf: and Intel
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22:25<Peng>warewolf: :D
22:25<tanja84dk>6½ minutes where the website says its rebooting, and lish cant get a session on the server
22:26<warewolf>Peng: in part, yes, but this whole situation is a mess overall.
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22:26<tanja84dk>7½ minutes now
22:27<Peng>Booting up all the Linodes on a host can take a little while?
22:27<tanja84dk>jeez it took lish 8 minutes to find it after the maintance
22:27<Peng>Oh good
22:28<warewolf>I've seen bare iron hosts take longer to do their POST
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22:28<warewolf>patience is a virtue
22:28<tanja84dk>Peng, well the website said it were booting. So if its because its slow because every server start at once then linode dont do its job good enough
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22:28<Peng>tanja84dk: Most likely it's slow because every guest does *not* start at once
22:28<ntox>if stuck in boot, just keep it shutdown. unless linode having issues with their manager and the jobs are stuck in queue
22:28<tanja84dk>because normally you start all vps servers with a interval of lets say 30 sec
22:29<Peng>Which is probably what Linode does
22:29<ntox>if issues with your linux VM booting, boot into recovery ISO and see what is going on. or perhaps check your boot loader? what it set to kernel or GRUB
22:29<tanja84dk>Peng, no they dont because then it would not take 8 minutes to boot a ubuntu server
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22:29<FluffyFoxeh>do you actually know how the startup sequence ought to progress
22:29<ntox>tanja84dk could of been issue on linode manager side.. job stuck in queue
22:30*warewolf sighs
22:30<Ikaros>Alright, enough input, is it up or not now
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22:30<warewolf>Just a guess- but it's entirely possible that Linode has a more involved booting process once a system has been scheduled to boot.
22:31<tanja84dk>ntox, no because the kvm did also say all the time that there were no session, and when I got the session then I could see the boot process so it took 8 minutes for it to boot
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22:31<warewolf>like, there could be IOP throttling, because systems tend to do a lot of disk reads during boot
22:31<ntox>if a hypervisor node it self came back online.. there could be quite alot of KVM's on that host. they more likely have set to auto start VM's in staggered ordered
22:32<warewolf>and there are timeouts in linux init scripts (systemd now) that .. if it can't do something fast enough, it drops you to a rescue prompt.
22:32<FluffyFoxeh>the point is I think the people who programmed this know the problem domain better than any of us
22:32<tanja84dk>ntox, then it should not be listed on the website as rebooting before it actually is
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22:32<ntox>tanja84dk pantience is key. worst is open ticket with linode support. again could been issue with the manager and job queues
22:33<ntox>unhappy then goto another KVM VM hosted provider?
22:33<ntox>i love linode. have had for years.
22:33*Ikaros facepalms and walks off
22:33<warewolf>I hear Digital Ocean is nice.
22:33<millisa>they had some new 'flexible plans' announced this week
22:33<warewolf>Google has this cloud shell thing too. Do everything in your browser.
22:34<warewolf>best part: it's 100% free!
22:35*warewolf remembers the disk IO rate limits back in the Linode64 days.
22:35<FluffyFoxeh>go find a provider that never ever has to reboot a host
22:36<ntox>tanja84dk are your linode VM's now booted and operable?
22:36<tanja84dk>exept a database issue because it looks like it havnt closed cleanly when they took it out to maintance then yes
22:37<Peng>warewolf: Are you joking?
22:37<warewolf>Peng: nope
22:37<ntox>is postgres running
22:37<ntox>systemctl status ....
22:38<warewolf>I wouldn't assume it's psql, it's probally mariadb
22:38<tanja84dk>ntox, its the mysql database and the database has come currupt since they shut it down
22:38<warewolf>Peng: I've been a Linode customer since 2005
22:39<ntox>i highly doubt your VM was uncleanly shutdown by linode. they have agent that'll shutdown your KVM instance.
22:39<ntox>or perhaps your stacked queue'd jobs caused it to?
22:39<ntox>and how exactly is it corrupt? tables missing?
22:39<tanja84dk>but I'm in the middle of restoring the database from the last backup and luckly there is almost no changes in the database
22:39<warewolf> man, what memories
22:40<warewolf>Linode 64 for $19.95/mo
22:40<ntox>warewolf yes memories
22:41<Peng>Remember when it seemed like Xen was secure
22:41<Peng>Remember when it seemed like Intel was secure
22:42<ntox>peng: oh, have times changes
22:42<millisa>Pepperidge Farms remembers
22:42<tanja84dk>It were actually that mysql could not start with it and it said that it ewre corrupt. But tbh I did not invrestigate what had habbend because I knew I have backups of it
22:42<ntox>and mysql was running?
22:44<Rainbow>Peng, pepperidge farm remembers.
22:44<Rainbow>AH FUCK millisa you beat me to t
22:44<Rainbow>this is why i shouldnt ever leave IRC
22:44<Rainbow>even to sleep
22:44<Rainbow>on that note
22:44<ntox>i know
22:44<Rainbow>IM BACK FUCKERS
22:44<Rainbow>I missed you all too.
22:44<ntox>IRC for win.
22:44<millisa>!point Rainbow
22:44<linbot>millisa: Point given to rainbow. (2)
22:44<ntox>i mean... irc vs slack... GO
22:45<Rainbow>JFC. mcintosh, jfred, jalter, jleal, avelardi, you're all still there?
22:45<Peng>Hi Rainbow :D
22:45<Rainbow>holy fuck guys. lifers.
22:45<tanja84dk>yes sorry got that stated wrong for some reason mysql could not read the database ( could not see it in my manager ) and it said some errors in boot from mysql. But because the data almost never change in the database, then I have just deleted it just to be sure and in the middle of uploading it again
22:45<Rainbow>FUCKING LIFERS
22:45<@bhanks>mcintosh is everywhere
22:45<@mcintosh>you're well aware I still work here Rainbow :p
22:45<Rainbow>No I'm not. We haven't spoken in a few months
22:45<warewolf>Huh, I can't log into the linode panel any more.
22:45<Rainbow>HI PENG :D
22:45<@scrane>Linode IS Life, Rainbow.
22:45<warewolf>doesn't like my 2fa token codes.
22:46<@jhaas>:o the infamous rainbow appears
22:46<@mcintosh>warewolf: device clock okay?
22:46<Rainbow>scrane, hahahaha, not for me bruh.
22:46<Rainbow>jhaas, whu?
22:46<@jhaas>so the legends are true
22:46<ntox>warewolf: you enabled 2fa for the linode manager portal? or just for a particular VM of yours
22:46<Rainbow>I do indeed exist. Yes.
22:46<Rainbow>And I'm significantly more annoying that they tell of.
22:46<warewolf>linode portal entirely, device is my cell phone, clock shoudl be ok
22:46<Rainbow>As you can see.
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22:47<@bhanks>new hires still ask when they can meet you... im like ???
22:47<ntox>2fa google or duo
22:47<Rainbow>wait what
22:47<warewolf>brb, rebooting into linux where I previously was auth'd
22:47<@bhanks>new hires: "when do we meet rainbow?" Me: "uh.?"
22:47<warewolf>I mean, I was just logged in under linux, and I did just recently redo all my 2fa tokens
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22:48<Rainbow>The Legend of Rainbow lives on
22:48<tanja84dk>scrane, btw do you know when the last missing options will get be made to Because there is missing some features
22:48<Rainbow>*AN ANSWER
22:48<Rainbow>because NEXT MONTH ONLY *smoke clouds n shit* SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY!
22:49*Rainbow will be in town to give a talk at a small conference/meetup thing
22:49<Rainbow>on infosec
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22:49<Rainbow>and why everything is terrible
22:49<Rainbow>keynote speaker of the day, wheeee~!
22:49<@jfred>ooo which one?
22:49<@scrane>tanja84dk Unfortunately, no. At the moment we're dedicating our focus to Meltdown and Spectre, so I'm not entirely certain when features will be added to
22:49*jfred hasn't kept up to date with the conferences nearby
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22:50<@scrane>I know we're still definitely working on it, but beyond that I don't have much more information.
22:50<tanja84dk>scrane, thats okay, But yeah one of the big things I miss on the site is the way to create profiles/change the kernel
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22:51<@mcintosh>tanja84dk: that feature exists in the panel
22:51<@sjacobs>tanja84dk: click linode > settings > advanced > click profile
22:51<@mcintosh>!point sjacobs
22:51<linbot>mcintosh: Point given to sjacobs. (1)
22:51<@sjacobs>first point!
22:51<@scrane>^ these guys know what's up.
22:52<@scrane>!unpoint jhaas
22:52<linbot>scrane: Point taken from jhaas! (-10)
22:52<@jfred>lol jhaas why do you have -10 points? :P
22:52*jhaas is winning
22:52<@scrane>He's playing golf.
22:52<@jhaas>scrubs getting positive scores in golf
22:52<tanja84dk>That is really hidden away. Have been searching for it the last 14 days
22:52<ntox>i see 2FA within linode manager..... unable to use DUO 2FA? idea's?
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22:54<tanja84dk>like before ( The normal dashboard ) it were accessable from the first page you come to
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22:56<@jfred>ntox: we don't support duo natively (they have their own custom 2FA system) but it looks like their mobile app does support TOTP:
22:57<ntox>@jfred: thank you. I'll use the app
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22:59<Rainbow>no but seriously
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22:59<Rainbow>where's my FreeBSD image guys
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23:01<@mcintosh>Rainbow: stay tuned!
23:02<Rainbow>mcintosh, NO, GIMME NAO D:
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23:02<Rainbow>I did all the hard work already ;-;
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23:02*Rainbow bops mcintosh
23:03<Rainbow>How've you been btw dude? long time.
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23:03<smallclone>i mean quite a lot of linode's stuff relies on ext
23:04<warewolf>I'm glad that I had a browser that was auth'd to the linode panel, I was able to a) generate a scratch token, b) re-enroll 2fa
23:04<Rainbow>smallclone, so? I've been running freebsd with ZFS on my linodes for years. I dont care about distrohelper or backups. most folks using it dont.
23:04<Rainbow>we have our own bespoke crap rolled out
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23:04<Rainbow>We just want the ability to deploy it.
23:04<smallclone>i mean..resizing down though
23:04*warewolf hisses at the mention of FreeBSD
23:05<smallclone>pretty useful feature to be able to make a disk smaller
23:05<Rainbow>without having to dd an image down from a remote server because we cant even store the image.
23:05<Rainbow>smallclone, eh. either never size the disk up, or make it clear resizing down would be a problem.
23:05<Rainbow>not hard.
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23:05<Rainbow>warewolf, don't make me take this silver stake and shove it where the sun don't shine >:I
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23:06<smallclone>i'm not a huge fan of the whole half-cocked image thing, though mcintosh did some pretty amazing work getting coreos to work
23:06<Rainbow>smallclone, it's basically up the same alley as what he did for CoreOS
23:06<smallclone>well yeah i know
23:06<warewolf>it's ok, I have an E450 I can shove where the sun don't shine in you, Rainbow :)
23:06<Rainbow>that was your doing?
23:06<ntox>rainbow: you were able to do freeBSD on linode? Just running it as direct disk boot loader option i presume?
23:06*Rainbow throws zebras at mcintosh
23:07<Rainbow>ntox, yeah
23:07<Rainbow>been running it since the KVM switchover
23:07<Rainbow>wrote a guide a while b^^^^
23:07<ntox>i see.
23:07<Rainbow>needs updating though
23:07<ntox>fancy pants ;)
23:07<ntox>linode for all my hosting neeeeeds <3
23:07<Rainbow>in more interesting news, i helped a competitor of Linode's get FreeBSD supported finally.
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23:07<Rainbow>(not DO, ew)
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23:08<ntox>now to perhaps build out a offprem cloud environment with linode.......
23:08<smallclone>you can run all sorts of wonderful crazy junk that way particularly with full virt
23:08<Rainbow>now if I can get Linode to do the same
23:08<ntox>be cool to do VDI on linode
23:08<Rainbow>I won't have to abandon them for the new shiny :p
23:08<Rainbow>warewolf, didn't your momma ever teach you hitting girls is a nono?
23:08<Rainbow>for shame
23:08<Rainbow>ima tell the internet on you!
23:08<ntox>private network + hosted router + vpn tunnel back to onsite....
23:09*jfred never did get around to running Plan 9 on Linodes
23:09<Rainbow>ntox, yeah that'd be nice. i've got something vaguely similar running betwen 3 cloud hosts and my bare metal in canada right now
23:09<ntox>anyone in here been using ovirt over RHEVM?
23:09<Rainbow>jfred, I GOT IT BOOTING
23:09<Rainbow>fuck, i didnt think i'd beat you to that
23:09<ntox>rainbow: nice! I've done similar. minus canada part
23:10<@jfred>lol yeah I wanted to run it on my Thinkpad but the lack of trackpoint sensitivity control was hurting my fingers
23:11<Rainbow>ntox, I've got a VPN management network i string between all the sites I have everything on
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23:11<Rainbow>life got way easier when I moved to using puppet instead of managing 37 servers by hand >.>
23:11<ntox>yah I'm starting to use puppet lately and need to take advantage. foreman + puppet
23:11<Rainbow>Facebook was what convinced me of the usefulness of automation
23:11<Rainbow>but I only started really learning it after i left
23:12<ntox>just i got pulled into a windows enterprise environment.. takes my time away from pure linux hosts
23:12<Rainbow>the real fun was finding breaking changes in a recent version of ruby :D
23:12*Rainbow got a bugfix pushed into Puppet :D
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23:14<Rainbow>I've managed to pick uo 5 languages in the past 8 months
23:14<Rainbow>so i feel pretty snazzy right now
23:15<Rainbow>(well, *4 programing languages. not counting DSLs, or spoken languages, of which I've acquired 2 and 1 of, respectively)
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