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00:31<Anurag>hi
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02:49<prem>hi
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02:51<prem>hi i want deploy an image of cloned image .. i cant create image it is big so i directly deploy the cloned disk to deploy ? how to do ?
03:00<react>prem: https://linode.com/docs/platform/disk-images/clone-your-linode/
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03:38<goddessfox>Hi, I signed up to join/register buy a package and i am getting no email confirming the signing
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03:41<goddessfox>any input would be appreciated
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03:48<goddessfox>ugh
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04:21<taliux>why account is under review? how long does it take?
04:22<Woet>because it's suspicious and 24-48 hours.
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04:23<taliux>that's weird!
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04:30<Woet>says the one using a proxy/VPN to chat on IRC
04:30<Woet>i wonder why he was flagged.
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06:14<Zimsky>ugh
06:14<Zimsky>Woet: reply pls
06:14<Woet>NO
06:15<Zimsky>I like that you're 4 seconds away from irc
06:15<Zimsky>you remind me of me
06:16<Woet>yea its like my work involves a laptop
06:17<Zimsky>you do work
06:17<Zimsky>I just idle on irc
06:17<Zimsky>poking fun at you every day
06:17<Zimsky>how else do I make the clock hands turn
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06:27<hellovegan>hi
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06:27<hellovegan>any admin here?
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06:28<h_>你好
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06:56<adminfaca>Hi
06:57<adminfaca>My friend deleted the linode by mistake. Is there any chance that we can restore the whole server?
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06:57<Peng_>Yes. Check the Images tab, and file a ticket.
06:57<Peng_>And call Linode.
06:57<adminfaca>Does linode keep a backup of the server or i will have to start from scratch again?
06:57<Peng_>Check the Images tab.
06:57<adminfaca>Ok let me see
06:57<Peng_>There may be a temporary backup.
07:02<Woet>perhaps you should add a separate user for your friend that doesn't have deletion priviledges
07:03<Woet>privileges *
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08:48<Zimsky>rm -rf /woet/
08:49<schwa>he must be pretty important to be in /
08:50<Zimsky>nah
08:50<Zimsky>I put a lot of stuff in /
08:50<Zimsky>it's the last place they'd expect to find it!
08:51<Zimsky>the really cool place to hide things is /..
08:51<schwa>-.-
08:56<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Itunes Online Login <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15708&p=75658#p75658>
08:56<Zimsky>Admiral Discussion
08:57<Zimsky>Colonel Discussion, Warrant Officer Discussion
09:01<@bmartin>Private Discussion
09:02<Woet>bmartin: who is the better B, bhanks or yourself?
09:02<@bmartin>bhanks without a doubt
09:03<@gjjansen>I'm the superior b.
09:03<Woet>gjjansen: theres no B in your first or last name, get out
09:04<Woet>gjjansen: why do you even have two j's?
09:04<schwa>the j conspiracy deepens
09:04<Woet>thank you for being on my side schwa
09:04<@gjjansen>One j was taken :(
09:05<Woet>i'm still waiting for the EEOC to get back to me
09:05<Zimsky>literally never seen gjjansen speak
09:05<Zimsky>because you can't see sound.
09:06<@gjjansen>I like your style.
09:06<Zimsky>same
09:06<Woet>opposite of same
09:06<Zimsky>different
09:07<Woet>gjjansen: did you know your last name is Dutch?
09:07<Zimsky>Woet likes everything but my style
09:08<schwa>you guys need a third person so you can graduate from The Two Stooges
09:08<@gjjansen>Woet: I actually have family in NL.
09:08<Woet>gjjansen: poor them
09:08<@gjjansen>LOL
09:08<Woet>gjjansen: cant you get them family permanent visas?
09:09<Woet>or if not, get me a visa instead
09:09<Zimsky>what's the difference between Jansen and Janssen?
09:10<Zimsky>as far as I know, they're just different spellings
09:10<@bmartin>somebody at Ellis island who can't spell
09:10<@bmartin>many years ago
09:10<Zimsky>but was someone like "lol just add another S"
09:10<Zimsky>or was it an american that said "let's get rid of a letter"
09:10<schwa>Llinode
09:11<@gjjansen>I think it's just a slight variation but the Ellis island sounds more exciting/silly.
09:11<Zimsky>the french add unnecessary letters, the americans remove useful letters
09:11<Zimsky>schwa: what's this about stooges?
09:11<schwa>Zimsky + Woet + ?
09:12<Zimsky>um
09:12<Zimsky>no.
09:12<schwa>eh
09:12<Woet>gjjansen: don't ignore my visa request
09:12<schwa>probably.
09:12<Woet>gjjansen: ill pay you for faking a marriage
09:12<Zimsky>schwa: stop trying to make this about you
09:12<Zimsky>Woet doesn't love you
09:12<Zimsky>I don't love you
09:12<Woet>though i'll offer more to any australians
09:12<Woet>cause AU > US
09:13<Zimsky>Woet: which country are you trying to enter?
09:13<Woet>anything that speaks English natively and has good weather
09:13<Zimsky>australia is out
09:13<Zimsky>on both fronts
09:13<Woet>i've already lived there for 2 years
09:13<Woet>it was great
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09:14<Zimsky>did someone give you a tooheys drip?
09:14<Zimsky>like, the whole time you were here
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09:14<Simple>Hello
09:14<Woet>i dont drink alcohol
09:14<Zimsky>Woet: were you ever fangin for a dart?
09:14<Woet>Zimsky: "here"? you're an aussie?
09:14<Simple>is everyone here linode users?
09:14<Zimsky>Woet: there*
09:14<Woet>Simple: i'm not
09:15<Simple>I've got a questions that needs answering
09:15<Woet>Zimsky: nah you gave yourself up
09:15<Woet>Simple: i don't see any questions
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09:15<Simple>Woet: If you're not why are you here?
09:15<Zimsky>Woet: the GABA-A PAMs are messing with me noodle
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09:15<@gjjansen>Woet: Can I just endorse you so I don't have to marry you?
09:16<Zimsky>Simple: is that your question?
09:16<Woet>gjjansen: alright
09:16<@gjjansen>I'm sure you're great company but I'd have to break off an existing arrangement.
09:16<Simple>no lol
09:16<Zimsky>Woet: I have experience in australia
09:16<Simple>Have any of you used Vultr? I'm on vultr right now and is considering Linode. Any pros and cons?
09:16<Zimsky>but I tend to stay away from it when I can
09:16<Woet>Simple:
09:16<Woet>they both offer Linux VPSes
09:16<Woet>why are you considering to switch?
09:17<Zimsky>it's pretty simple.
09:17<Simple>Speed?
09:17<Zimsky>that's vague
09:17<Woet>Simple: they both go 60 mph
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09:17<Zimsky>kmh*
09:17<Simple>Zimsky: Yeah
09:17<Woet>then 100
09:17<Simple>I mean VPS performance then?
09:17<Zimsky>they're both fine
09:17<Simple>you use both?
09:18<Zimsky>no, but knowing people who do, they seem fine
09:18<schwa>the major providers tend to be very similar... if you want something specific here's a random dude on the internet - https://joshtronic.com/2017/12/18/vps-showdown-december-2017-digitalocean-linode-vultr/
09:18<Simple>no issues with vultr so far though
09:18<Zimsky>just get a linode and run your program(s) on it and do some benchmarking tests comparing the performance with vultr
09:18<schwa>#dontbrokedontfix
09:19<Zimsky>ヽ( 。ヮ゚)ノ
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09:19<schwa>Zimsky: thank you for that. that is now your face in my mind.
09:19<Simple>damn that site is fast1
09:19<Zimsky>schwa: I would prefer it is this
09:19<Zimsky>┐( ಠ‿ ಠ;)┌
09:19<Zimsky>┐(◉‿ ◉;)┌
09:19<schwa>! unicode rectangles! :C
09:20<Zimsky>I detest emoji with the very fibre of my being
09:20*schwa gets mad at someone related to some piece of software he's currently using
09:20<Zimsky>constructed unicode emoticons all the way
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09:22<schwa>yeah I have to agree with that
09:23<Zimsky>good for you
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09:23<Zimsky>now go and solve my protein engineering problem
09:23<schwa>ew god no
09:23<Zimsky>k you can restock the micropipette tips
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09:23<Zimsky>glhf
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09:40<iSRAELi>Woet
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11:33<iSRAELi>Woet
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12:28<@bmartin>!point afalcone
12:28<linbot>bmartin: Point given to afalcone. (1)
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12:28<linbot>bmartin: Point taken from afalcone! (0)
12:29<iSRAELi>!point iSRAELi
12:29<linbot>iSRAELi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
12:29<iSRAELi>:(
12:29<iSRAELi>haha
12:30<iSRAELi>spending $500 a month and no points :D
12:30<@bmartin>!point iSRAELi
12:30<linbot>bmartin: Point given to israeli. (1)
12:30<iSRAELi>i was kidding
12:30<@bmartin>don't say I never gave you anything
12:30<iSRAELi>by the way,
12:30<iSRAELi>linode.com is lagging badly
12:30*bmartin kicks linode.com
12:32<@bmartin>iSRAELi we are currently working on it
12:32<iSRAELi>k
12:34<@gjjansen>!point gjjansen
12:34<linbot>gjjansen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
12:34<@bmartin>!point afalcone
12:34<linbot>bmartin: Point given to afalcone. (1)
12:36<iSRAELi>need to figure how to connect to BING API
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12:38<iSRAELi>funny thing is, you'd expect facebook > bing
12:38<iSRAELi>but its the other way around
12:38<iSRAELi>facebook api sucks
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13:00<Guest2369>Where can I see the prices for Managed Hosting in linode?
13:00<@bmartin>https://www.linode.com/managed
13:01<@bmartin>$100 per month per Linode
13:01<@bmartin>In terms of a Fully Managed hosting option we don't have anything currently but could pass you on to our pro services team to discuss options.
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13:37<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • bug in message "Maintenance is not yet scheduled" <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15681&p=75583#p75583>
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14:32<tiaggao>hi
14:32<@bmartin>Hello
14:32<@bmartin>How can we help you
14:33<warewolf>yes, this is dogfort
14:33<tiaggao>I'm having a problem, my account is deleted from linode, after I've completed my data and data card data
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14:34<tiaggao>who can help me?
14:34<@bmartin>tiaggao please email support@linode.com and include the last 6 digits of your card that was on file to discuss details. This is a public IRC channel so we are unable to discuss account specifics
14:34<tiaggao>thank you
14:34<@bmartin>You can also call 855-4-LINODE
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15:03<vaibhav>do you have window server
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15:17<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
15:29<Peng_>Well I'll be
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15:36<@bhanks>thanks for the update Eugene
15:36<Eugene>Of course! Its what I do.
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15:44<vq>Hi. I have fast question. I get linode server. 6 CPU, 80$ month. I know that my network transfer is limited. I'm just interested in what happens if I have no notwork transfer left? Can I pay additional money for that?
15:44<vq>in the other words, I do not want to stop the service.
15:44<Peng_>The service won't stop.
15:44<Peng_>Transfer overages are $0.02/GB.
15:44<Peng_>It's cheaper to get a second Linode, even if you never turn it on. (Transfer is pooled.)
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15:52<student>Second question: at the moment I have one server. Database and application server is on this one server. If I split db and app server (one server for db and second for app), will I spend any network traffic (network trafiic between the linode servers) ? In the other words, I have network transfer limits and I'm afraid not to run out the limit. Could you give me some advices pleaseE?
15:53<student>As I know network traffic = additional money.
15:53<student>thank you!
15:54<Peng_>Intra-data center traffic using IPv6, or private IPv4 addresses, is free.
15:54<@scrane>If you use Private IPs, which you should if you're splitting application and DB, then no. Communication over the private network doesn't count against your outbound transfer.
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15:54<Peng_>D:
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16:15<iSRAELi>actually
16:15<iSRAELi>im using one for db and one for website
16:15<iSRAELi>or maybe
16:15<iSRAELi>one for processing data, and one for the actual site
16:18<@scrane>Yeah, and the same general principle applies. You'll want to communicate between the two Linodes via the private network for the lower latency and so it doesn't count against your outbound transfer.
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16:20<Peng_>IPv6 :D
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16:35<HoopyCat>to be on the safe side, disable IPv4
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16:38<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Will Linode Support OSTIF? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15709&p=75659#p75659>
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16:42<zifnab>note: private network is "private to the datacenter" not "private to you"
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16:43<zifnab>just an arbitrary heads up
16:43<Peng_>!point zifnab
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16:43<zifnab>!lick Peng_
16:43<linbot>zifnab: Point given to peng_. (3)
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16:44<Cromulent>has there been any updated information on when Linode is going to start charging VAT?
16:44<Cromulent>for EU customers
16:47<Eugene>Linode is a US company charging in US Dollars? I don't see how they could be compelled to deal with EU's VAT? They do have operations in those countries, but since all commerce is done through the US System it really ain't none of their business?
16:47<Eugene>If I understand EU's VAT correctly(I probably don't) the final responsibility is upon the consumer, and businesses are only including it in the cost of goods as a convenicne
16:49<grawity>tell that to hundreds of other US companies which charge VAT to European customers
16:49<Cromulent>Eugene: nope VAT in the EU is the responsibility of the seller not the consumer - unless the consumer is a business
16:49<grawity>not that I'm at all sure why they do that
16:49<grawity>I kinda slept through that lesson
16:49<Eugene>TIL. I still don't get how Linode could be compelled to deal with the EU's bullshit, since they're not "selling in the EU" ?
16:50<Cromulent>grawity: because EU law states that any company selling to an EU citizen no matter where the company is based must charge VAT to EU citizens at the rate set by the government of their country of residence
16:50<Eugene>But how would they enforce that if the company doesn't "do business" in the EU?
16:50<Cromulent>that only applies to "electronic" services though
16:51<Eugene>I also don't get why US companies comply with the pants-on-head stupid EU cookie law. Just no.
16:51<Peng_>Eugene: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Joint_Expeditionary_Force :P
16:51<Cromulent>Eugene: Linode do do business in the EU - they have a London and Frankfurt datacentre
16:52<HoopyCat>linode's services are optical
16:52<Eugene>No, they rent space from datacenter operators in those cities. They are thus a consumer, not a provider
16:52<zifnab>Eugene: this is like the "why shoudl amazon be required to collect sales tax" argument
16:52<Eugene>All services are sold through the US, in USD.
16:52<Cromulent>Eugene: anyway whether the law is stupid or not is beside the point - Linode have already said they will start charging VAT - the only question is when
16:52<Eugene>zifnab - physical products are entirely differnet
16:53<zifnab>some lawyer probably disagrees and "it's safer for us to pay than not to even if we're right"
16:53<zifnab>vat is weird
16:53<zifnab>speaking of dumb as fuck taxes
16:53<Eugene>I get that, I'm just trying to see the rationale
16:53<Cromulent>at least EU citizens don't have to do a tax return every year
16:53<zifnab>seattle's sweetened beverage tax
16:54<zifnab>it's really pissing me off
16:54<zifnab>https://www.seattle.gov/business-license-tax/other-seattle-taxes/sweetened-beverage-tax
16:54<Eugene>I rather like that one. Fuck you for living in Seattle city limits.
16:54<zifnab>>The tax is collected on the final distribution of sweetened beverages by a distributor. The tax is not collected by the retailer nor is the tax burden intended to fall onto the consumer.
16:54<zifnab>so why the fuck does my receipt from PCC say $4 for a 6 pack of soda, and $3 in "sweetened beverage tax"
16:54<zifnab>just charge me $7 and get over it
16:55<zifnab>fwiw, i...don't really care about this, money is an irrelevant necessity, doesn't make driving outside of the city worth it
16:55<Eugene>Because the US is pants-on-head dumb and presents all surcharges/taxes/whatever as add-ons instead of just rolling-it-into-the-price.... like VAT does.
16:55<Peng_>yay VAT
16:56<Cromulent>Eugene: actually VAT is show seperately in the EU because VAT registered businesses claim back all the VAT they pay
16:56<Cromulent>shown*
16:56<Eugene>So.... another VAT question: how does VAT refunds work then? Because you can claim that back if oyu're a non-profit or non-EU citizen?
16:56<Eugene>Or so the internet tells me
16:57<Cromulent>Eugene: you shouldn't be paying VAT if you don't live in an EU country - it doesn't matter if you are a legal citizen or visitor though - as for non-profits I'm not sure - never run one
16:57<Eugene>As a tourist I paid VAT
16:58<Cromulent>I worded that badly - if you are in an EU country (citizen or tourist) you pay VAT
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16:58<Cromulent>because VAT is a tax on the product not the person
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17:00<Cromulent>Eugene: only VAT registered businesses can claim back VAT paid
17:00<Eugene>https://www.ricksteves.com/travel-tips/money/vat-refunds
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17:01<Cromulent>oh OK - I didn't realise that - well lucky for you guys then :)
17:01<zifnab>Eugene: way back in the day for OVH you had to send a passport photo to them to avoid VAT as a US citizen
17:01<Eugene>I believe it
17:01<Cromulent>https://www.gov.uk/reclaim-vat
17:01<Eugene>My take-away from all of this: taxes are stupid. Lets become a libertarian dictatorship
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17:02<zifnab>i like the idea of a zifnabarchy
17:02<zifnab>i will be king, bow before me
17:03<Cromulent>anyway so going back to my original question :) I guess that means no one knows when Linode are going to start charging VAT?
17:03<zifnab>i assume not
17:03<zifnab>i'm unsure who you'd even ask here, caker has been missing for quite some time
17:18<linbot>New news from forum: Current Betas • Linode Block Storage (Fremont beta) <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15333&p=75660#p75660>
17:19<@bhanks>Hey guys so as far as VAT- we're still working on implementing that within our billing system. Right now you can do the bit on your end and make sure you've updated your VAT number in the Account tab of the Linode Manager so you're all set once we begin charging VAT.
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17:29<swiftkey>Hi I cannot escape my lish i keep getting ^C^C^C^C^C when I try to use command+c
17:30<swiftkey>I already rebooted my linode and it displays my startup apps during the boot process. There is nothing I can do to get in bash so I can type
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17:33<swiftkey>an enter gives me nothing while on my other linode displays the login when i use enter key
17:49<@scrane>I'm sorrry to hear that. Do you have a ticket open at the moment so we can take a look?
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18:02<swiftkey>Yes hold on I also sent a screen shot
18:02<swiftkey>9858534
18:03<@scrane>Hello,
18:04<@scrane>Scratch that. Someone is looking at the ticket now, and we will update you soon to let you know what we are seeing.
18:04<swiftkey>I really need help. I can't do anything as of the moment, I have rebooted 3 times. This happened after the critical maintenance.
18:05<swiftkey>Thank you
18:07<Zimsky>swoft
18:08<Zimsky>bhanks: isn't linode supposed to have been charging VAT for a while now?
18:08<Peng_>swiftkey: Does the Linode generally not work, or is it just lish input/
18:10<@scrane>swiftkey The ticket has just been updated.
18:12<swiftkey>Just the lish input
18:12<swiftkey>I can use enter key but keeps giving me blank space
18:12<swiftkey>But I can access my other linode's using lish.
18:13<swiftkey>scrane: thanks i take a look at it.
18:16<swiftkey>scrane: I'll try 1 version earlier kernel
18:16<Peng_>Is getty or whatever running? On the right console?
18:18<swiftkey>It's what ever running inside my console problem is i can't do anything about it. been hitting enter or command+c keeps giving me ^C
18:18<Peng_>SSH isn't running?
18:18<swiftkey>scrane: What kernel can you advise? still nothing
18:19<swiftkey>Peng_: I keep getting permission denied so I assume something is not running.
18:20<tmberg>grep bug /proc/cpuinfo
18:20<tmberg>:)
18:20<Peng_>swiftkey: If you're getting permission denied, it's running.
18:22<swiftkey>Peng_: alright I'm trying to roll back kernel to 4.9
18:22<Peng_>:(
18:22<@bhanks>Zimsky we have been making the preparations to charge for VAT since around November- thats when we first began prompting customers to add their VAT number to their accounts
18:23<@bhanks>once we have that all set up we'll put out more info.
18:23<Peng_>bugs : vat
18:24<swiftkey>scrane: I already updated the ticket. I'll go with rescue mode :(
18:26<swiftkey>Dang I might lose my job lol
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18:28<swiftkey>scrane: It doesn't help :(
18:28<@scrane>Sorry for the delay in response. Had to take a phone call. I really hope you don't lose your job. I will update the ticket in a moment with a few more suggestions for what can be done if the filesystem check doesn't help bring this back online for you.
18:29<@scrane>What did you see in rescue mode?
18:29<swiftkey>I already restarted it again with the oldest kernel 4.9
18:31<swiftkey>root@ttyS0:~# That's it I have not done rescue for a quite while
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18:31<@scrane>run this command in rescue mode: e2fsck -f /dev/sda
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18:32<swiftkey>alright
18:32<swiftkey>/dev/sda: 574462/75464704 files (1.0% non-contiguous), 247538912/301858816 blocks
18:33<swiftkey>It's clean :D
18:34<Peng_>Hypothetically, it could be clean after being damaged and repaired. Or file contents could be damaged without affecting the integrity of the fs metadata.
18:34<Peng_>Less worst-case-scenario is that the getty is just misconfigured. :P
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18:35<swiftkey>Peng_: How can I dig it ?
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18:36<@scrane>I'm going to respond to the ticket with a few different possibilities.
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18:38<swiftkey>I need all the help that I can get right now :(
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18:39<swiftkey>our clients will be checking out there system in 2 hours time. sigh
18:42<@scrane>Just updated the ticket
18:44<swiftkey>scrane: hold on checking
18:49<swiftkey>scrane: Can I private message? :( I really need help I am running out of time
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19:02<swiftkey>I saw your suggestion but I did not touch anything, It is just after the critical maintenance this has happened. If I will get another linode this will charge as a different bill and this has to go on different approvals. It might take longer.
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