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---Logopened Wed Jan 24 00:00:02 2018
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00:59<Zimsky>Woet: do actually need the first
00:59<Woet>Zimsky: some nazi mod already removed it, sorry
01:00<Zimsky>thanks jleal
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01:39<Ikaros>Heh. Seems one of my servers that runs Ubuntu (with a different host company) updated to a kernel that's got mitigations for all 3 Intel exploit variants in place and enabled. Snuck the update in while I was asleep last night, apparently.
01:49<Ikaros>Just a friendly heads-up to those that run a supported Ubuntu version, is all. The decision to update is, ultimately, up to the individual. Ubuntu's move to include the IBRS patchset into their distro kernel release is a bit confusing to me because last I heard about IBRS, Linus was on one heck of a rant, pissed at the guy behind the patch, calling it 'complete garbage' maybe they got
01:49<Ikaros>something done with it and cleaned it up enough to be included in a stable distro kernel.
01:49<Peng_>Maybe? This is the same Ubuntu that was bricking people a month ago, right? :P
01:49<Ikaros>Yup. Hence the confusion
01:51<Ikaros>I honestly would have just thrown retpoline in there and be done with it, but I've yet to actually see a stable compiler release with retpoline support in it. The best protection from that is gonna come from when both the kernel and the compiler that created it, both support and understand how to deal with the retpoline mechanism.
01:51<Peng_>What is the chance of Ubuntu backporting bleeding edge GCC
01:52<Ikaros>Quite slim.
01:53<Ikaros>Even I had trouble building it because you really have to go with the snapshots at this point, and we all know snapshots may or may not compile, or might even generate bad/invalid code. And even then the support's probably incomplete as it is anyway.
01:55<Ikaros>And, indeed, Ubuntu made a point to note that they decided not to include retpoline support in their latest stable kernel at that point (it would come later), although they did not explicitly state why. I can probably assume because compiler support is still in-development.
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02:01<Peng_>NO]T OK
02:02<Zimsky>Peng_: pls go
02:02<Zimsky>stop penging up the room
02:03<Zimsky>Woet: omg lmao rite
02:03<Zimsky>ping peng
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02:06<Peng_>Zimsky: po}ng
02:07<Woet>Peng_: I'm not su!re if you're awar&e, but th$ere's ran]dom cha}racters in the midd#le of you^r wor%ds
02:09<Zimsky>Woet: what makes you think they're random
02:09<Zimsky>feels intentional
02:09<Zimsky>like everything peng does
02:11<Peng_>I'm like a cat that slips and falls.
02:11<Peng_>Always intentional.
02:11<Zimsky>thought you were an antarctic bird
02:13<Woet>( ^_^)o自自o(^_^ ) KANPAI!
02:15<Peng_>Zimsky: I am, but I like cats.
02:15<Zimsky>oh you're one of those people
02:15<Zimsky>well uh, good luck I guess
02:15<Woet>┌[;`||~,]┐ zzZ
02:16<Zimsky>Woet: ^
02:16<Woet>(╯°O°)╯FUS RO DAH!
02:16<Zimsky>had or suf
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02:21<FluffyFoxeh>sorry, I forgot how to fox
02:21<FluffyFoxeh>but peng likes cats
02:21<FluffyFoxeh>so it's good
02:21<Woet>Peng likes anything that moves
02:22<Zimsky>Woet x FluffyFoxeh
02:22<Zimsky>peng x FluffyFoxeh x Woet
02:22<Zimsky>that's cute
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02:23<Woet>unlike you
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02:25<Zimsky>Woet: ikr
02:25<Zimsky>I'm not cute
02:25<Zimsky>I'm super cute
02:25<FluffyFoxeh>me too :3
02:25<Zimsky>yeah, no
02:25<FluffyFoxeh>you're so mean D:
02:25<Zimsky>I know.
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03:43<shaame>i want to host dhis2 db, wht can i do
03:43<Woet>i guess
03:44<Woet>you can do the same as on any other Linux server.
03:44<shaame>interms of prices and installation
03:44<Woet>shaame: do you know what Linode sells?
03:45<shaame>yeah i have seen, but can i pay per year ?
03:46<@sjacobs>it's billed by the hour, up until the monthly price listed on the pricing page.
03:46<shaame>b'se the plan are interms of month !!!
03:46<@sjacobs>you can always make a deposit up front, though.
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03:48<Woet>Zimsky: did you know the prices are interms of month !!!!!!?
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04:09<nate>I feel like linodes have been a lot more... hiccupy since the patch rollout
04:09<grawity>hrmm who's playing with routing in london
04:09<nate>yeah I just got an alert on that too
04:09<grawity>all of a sudden, can't reach any node via IPv4 from work
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04:10<nate>I'm seeing IPv6 MIA as well I think
04:10<grawity>IPv6 is fine here, and all other IPv4 routes I tried randomly seem fine
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04:13<grawity>just this specific combination of Linode EU <-> AS2847, it seems.
04:14<jimbob>Anyone else having problems with their Linode servers? eu-west-1a connection timeout
04:14<grawity>okay, not just this specific combination I guess :D
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04:16<inatec>hello everyone. Are the linodes in Frankfurt down? Or its just a uplink / provider issue?
04:16<grawity>the latter
04:17<grawity>well, if anyone's into collecting mtr outputs, here's mine
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04:17<@jmetz>we're looking into it. we've got status pages up for both frankfurt and london
04:18<@sjacobs>grawity: thanks. i'll pass it along.
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04:18<@sjacobs>yeah, linbot. where you at?
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04:20<Woet>being moved to the vault
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04:22<linbot>New news from status: Connectivity Issues - Frankfrut <> || Connectivity Issues - London <>
04:22<grawity>"Connectivity Issues - Linbot"
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04:33<iSRAELi>for the new api usage
04:34<iSRAELi>is it possible to retrieve both invoiced and uninvoiced amount
04:34<iSRAELi>what I'm trying to get, is what my monthly spend is
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04:34<iSRAELi>ThisMonth, Last7Days, Yesterday, Today
04:35<iSRAELi>or at least monthly
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04:39<tom>anyone has issues with redis and mysql since the meltdown&spectre maintenance?
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06:06*Zimsky plays with grawity's routing
06:06<Zimsky>Woet: reply pls
06:06*grawity blackholes Zimsky
06:07<Zimsky>grawity: you'll need to blackhole and 0::/0
06:08<Zimsky>even then, the only completely effective method to blackhole Zimsky is disconnecting the physical cable
06:08<Zimsky>or maybe the metaphorical cable
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06:32<linbot>New news from status: Connectivity Issues - Frankfurt <>
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07:14<iSRAELi>intel just asked for the updates not to be installed
07:14<iSRAELi>as they cause sudden restarts
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07:19<hawk>That problem has been a topic for some time, though. But whatever, I guess there will be an updated updated microcode version at some point.
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07:32<mimiK>I am a newbie to linode just been referenced by a friend
07:33<mimiK>planning to migrate 50+ of my clients on a reseller to Linode I need a VPS managed what would you suggest??
07:36<iSRAELi>50 clients on a single server?
07:36<iSRAELi>it depends on what their requirements are, are they plain html sites
07:36<iSRAELi>sites that has APIs
07:37<Zimsky>palestine forever
07:37<iSRAELi>forever what
07:37<Zimsky>forever prosper
07:37<iSRAELi>a country that never existed cannot "live forever"
07:37<iSRAELi>are we in politics channel
07:37<Zimsky>nah that's fake news
07:37<iSRAELi>i was unaware
07:37<Zimsky>says the guy that brought it up yesterday
07:38<Zimsky>I'm just poking the dog with a stick
07:38<mimiK>just wordpress sites not much mostly not lots of traffic in them
07:38<mimiK>I have been able to manage them on a simple reseller account
07:38<iSRAELi>i dont raise that issue
07:38<iSRAELi>other people does
07:38<iSRAELi>based on my username
07:39<Zimsky>my nick should be cHINESe then
07:39<iSRAELi>k thats cool
07:39<Zimsky>it's very cool
07:39<mimiK>@iSRAELi the maximum site can be about 1GB mostly blogging...
07:39<Zimsky>mimiK: have a look at too
07:39<Zimsky>you mentioned managed stuff
07:39<Zimsky>idk if that's what you're after
07:40<mimiK>the rest are a mere 500mb to 700mb
07:40<iSRAELi>oh i wasn't speaking of hosting itself
07:40<Zimsky>you can run a bunch of different websites on a single server
07:40<Zimsky>it's not complicated
07:40<iSRAELi>but more for CPU/ram stuff
07:40<mimiK>yes I need a managed VPS need my team to concentrate on something else
07:40<Zimsky>just make sure you have sufficient resources
07:40<Zimsky>sounds like you should hire someone to do this for you
07:41<Zimsky>linode can do incident management which is detailed on that page I linked
07:41<Zimsky>but that's limited
07:42<mimiK>so are you all here satisfied with their services?
07:42<mimiK>I am more into hosting and I was hit badly with 3 of my providers getting bought by support at all...
07:43<Zimsky>I don't use managed services or support though
07:43<Zimsky>I've maybe sent like, 3 support tickets in years
07:43<Zimsky>mostly just for migrations
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07:48<mimiK>thanks for the infor Zimsky
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07:54<Peng_>I have a lot of tickets. I think it's mostly migrations and IPv6 bugs. :P
07:54<Peng_>and extra IP addresses
07:59<Woet>single handily overloading the support team
08:05<Peng_>Oh hi! I'm thinking about upgrading one of my Linodes and I have QUESTIONS! >:D
08:05<Peng_>(I'm joking probably.)
08:07<iSRAELi><mimiK> I am more into hosting and I was hit badly with 3 of my providers getting bought by support at all...
08:07<iSRAELi>a wild guess, EIG = bluehost?
08:08<iSRAELi>yep they are
08:09<Woet>hi bmartin
08:09<@bmartin>Hey woet
08:09<iSRAELi>crappy indian tech support, unsercure servers that were hacked constantly
08:09<Woet>turn that frown upside down
08:10<Peng_>iSRAELi: They're Bluehost and a million other hosts.
08:10<iSRAELi>yes, i had my issues with bluehost
08:10<iSRAELi>and other crappy brands
08:12<iSRAELi>i dont think ive ever hated any hosting company, until ive met them
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09:07<Celti>I can't wait until IPv4 is dead
09:07<Celti>Unfortunately, given how "legacy" hangs on I'll probably die at about the same time. :-p
09:08<Celti>iSRAELi: I've hated plenty, EIG included — of course, I live in GoDaddy's home city...
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09:12<Zimsky>love me godaddy 💦
09:16<iSRAELi>since ive got hacked due to someone hacking their server
09:16<iSRAELi>and theyve redirected me to some affiliate of theirs that wanted me to pay him to fix my site
09:16<iSRAELi>i honestly hated them
09:17<iSRAELi>it was their fault and they tried to earn some more money out of me
09:17<iSRAELi>look at their stock
09:17<iSRAELi>that's their entire story
09:18<iSRAELi>riskier than bitcoin
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09:25<Zimsky>idk, iSRAELi
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09:36<iSRAELi>i know, they are crappy company
09:36<iSRAELi>they thought
09:36<iSRAELi>"oh we will just buy more and more hosting companies, their users wont know the difference"
09:37<iSRAELi>but then when the users needs any assistance, they are speaking to some "mark thompson" aka panjeet who can bearly speak english
09:37<iSRAELi>and after 2 times of giving up they just move to a better provider
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10:25<brian->hello linoders - seening lots of packet loss from lon to continental europe
10:25<brian->something up?
10:26<smallclone>i'd get some mtr reports and open a ticket with them
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10:26<smallclone>preferably in both directions
10:27<@jackley>brian-: yup, smallclone is right – if you can get MTRs in both directions, and then open a ticket, we'd be happy to take a look for you.
10:28<brian->thanks @jackley - its a customer that uses linode giving out to me
10:28<brian->and smallclone thanks also
10:28<brian->I'll send him reverse MTR and get him to send you a ticket!
10:29<brian->if you do a mtr to PL is about 20% from linode
10:29<@jackley>brian-: great, ty. if you drop the ticket number in here, I'll make sure we get eyes on it
10:29<brian->not seeing packet loss from anywhere else
10:29<brian->thanks jackley
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10:32<Woet>!lick jackley
10:32<linbot>Woet: Point given to jackley. (4)
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10:37<iSRAELi>lick me too
10:37<iSRAELi>!points israeli
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10:43<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Can you recommend some companies that provide Linux administration services? <>
10:44*Celti is really rather impressed by
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11:01<@sjacobs>Celti: pretty nice, right? i've been rather impressed myself.
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11:01<Celti>I just replaced the IPsec setup I had on my linode with it (which in turn replaced OpenVPN)
11:01<Celti>took far, far less time than either
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11:02<Celti>and most of the time I *did* spend was spent forgetting to configure IPv4 masquerading
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11:03<Woet>"WireGuard is not yet complete. You should not rely on this code. It has not undergone proper degrees of security auditing and the protocol is still subject to change. "
11:03<@sjacobs>it's been a while since i tested the userspace tools for e.g. mac. but linux <-> linux has been a great..
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11:04<Celti>I don't actually have anything other than a Linux box handy to test it on, at the moment
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11:04<@sjacobs>Woet: my threat model is nonexistent. i'll still sleep okay at night.
11:05*Woet threatens sjacobs
11:05*sjacobs doesn't blink
11:05*dzho hands sjacobs some eyedrops
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11:06<armiller_but_not>You really shouldn't threaten models
11:07<dzho>about the benstein eyedrop thing, that is
11:07<dzho>I sort of intuited already armiller_but_not's point
11:07<Woet>armiller_but_not: sjacobs is a model?
11:07<Celti>"Clear Eyes, wow"
11:07<Celti>ahh, childhood memories
11:12<@sjacobs>i am not a model.
11:19<Celti>Sure, but are you the very model of a modern Linode sysadmin?
11:25<@sjacobs>never been one. not sure.
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11:34<dubidub>I've created a disk image like this: ssh root@ "dd if=/dev/sda | xz" | dd of=linode4.img . Can I mount the image without decompressing?
11:36<smallclone>never tried it, but i imagine you need to decompress it first
11:36<hawk>dubidub: I think there are probably FUSE-based solutions for that... but normally you would have to decompress first.
11:39<Peng_>xz cannot be a good fit for disk images.
11:40<Peng_>Large block size and mediocre speed?
11:40<Celti>It is read-only.
11:40<Celti>If you need a read-write disk image use squashfs.
11:40<hawk>dubidub: No guarantees. But people make all sorts of stuff with FUSE, so I guess someone might have (I imagine it would be really slow, though)
11:40<Celti>a read-write *compressed* disk image, that is.
11:41<Celti>hawk: indeed, someone has — that's what the github link above is.
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11:41<hawk>Celti: Doesn't look like it
11:41<Celti>'s fuse+libarchive
11:42<hawk>Celti: That looked like something that mounts a tar.gz or whatever?
11:42<Celti>how is that not a FUSE-based solution for mounting a compressed disk image?
11:42<hawk>Celti: While dubidub asks for someting that mounts a compressed ext4 filesystem image (or whatever filesystem they had)
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11:43<Celti>Crap, you're right.
11:43<dubidub>xz was suggested in this channel.
11:44<Celti>For the *actual* issue there's fusecloop, but I don't know if that supports xz
11:46<Celti>For a hacky workaround, use nbdkit to present the disk image over the network, then nbd-client to mount it over localhost?
11:47<Celti>I know nbdkit can work with a variety of different compressed images
11:48<hawk>Yes, I found mentions of that as well. Eg
11:49<hawk>That seems workable, if a tad odd.
11:50<Celti>from that same question, there's what I was remembering for using archivemount to do the task
11:50<Celti>archivemount -o formatraw, then loop-mount the presented raw file
11:51<Celti>glad I'm not *completely* losing my mind
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12:22<dubidub>Thanks, everone. I'll save this an digest it later.
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14:32<smallclone>having the Linode status page open at the same time as and = maximum confusion
14:32<@scrane>How many tabs do you have open at once that they're that small?
14:33<smallclone>scrane: as many as I want because this is America
14:33<@bmartin>You're not wrong.
14:34<smallclone>i don't close tabs until my macbook's fan starts audibly weeping
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14:35<JacksMyth>Hey All - I was hoping to get some help regarding start up a linode with a desktop gui
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14:36<JacksMyth>Like an ubuntu desktop or something, that I'd like to 'remote' into, so I can run some node tasks permanently and check in on them by 'remoting' into the desktop
14:36<smallclone>JacksMyth: well it's certainly possible - it's not exactly the most enjoyable experience.
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14:36<JacksMyth>is anyone able to help me (clearly I'm a noob)
14:36<JacksMyth>Thanks smallclone
14:36<JacksMyth>it doesn't have to be remote desktop, can I acheive something similar using glish?
14:36<smallclone>with glish you would still need to have a desktop environment installed and everything
14:37<JacksMyth>I managed to get xfce4 desktop running, but it was shockingly unsuable
14:37<JacksMyth>ah I see, ok will follow your guide above and see how I go
14:37<smallclone>desktop enrvironments aren't all that enjoyable to use over long distances
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14:38<smallclone>i mean, if you're running node tasks you're using a CLI anyway..within the GUI
14:38<JacksMyth>Can I run multiple?
14:39<JacksMyth>or should I just open multiple ssh sessions?
14:39<JacksMyth>but then how can I leave it to run when I leave, and get back to the console when I want to spy?
14:39<smallclone>just use screen
14:39<JacksMyth>I thought having a desktop would just make that easier
14:39<smallclone>screen -S nodesession1
14:39<smallclone>then when you want to look at it again later
14:39<smallclone>screen -r nodesession1
14:40<JacksMyth>I don't know the screen command, I'll have a google
14:40<JacksMyth>sounds like what I need though
14:40<JacksMyth>thanks again!
14:40<smallclone>it's pretty easy to use and accomplishes what you're trying to do i think
14:40<smallclone>give it a try, you'll save yourself a lot of hassle in the long run avoiding a gui
14:40<JacksMyth>I will give it a shot - appreciate the help
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14:52<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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14:59<@jalter>!point Eugene
14:59<linbot>jalter: Point given to eugene. (45) (Biggest fan: jalter, total: 16)
15:06<MGadAllah>Hi, a friend asking about linode vs digital ocean and I like linode but do not know what to tell to persuade him to use linode, so may you tell me :) Thanks
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15:09<millisa>Linode's been around longer; I personally like their interface better.
15:10<MGadAllah>Good, so the interface. what else?
15:10<millisa>DO updated their prices in the last few weeks - they are now pretty close to Linode's for the same hardware resources.
15:10<kenyon>Linode does IPv6 networking correctly
15:11<millisa>It used to be easy to point out that with the linodes you'd get double the ram for the same price. The backup service works differently between the two
15:12<millisa>Really, at the price both use, tell the friend to try both. They both bill hourly.
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15:14<MGadAllah>Thanks a lot my friends I will follow your advise millisa :)
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15:14<millisa>Oh, and compare this: vs
15:16<kenyon>linode has IRC
15:16<millisa>and a phone number. with what may be humans answering.
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15:19<Celti>Depends on how many support jobs they worked before Linode, I think. :-p
15:19<Celti>Pretty sure I stopped being human after my third.
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15:20<millisa>I mean, I'm pretty sure most of them are human. mcintosh is a cylon though. I'm sure of it.
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21:11<Eugene>kenyon - I'm not a DigitalOcean customer, so I'm curious: how is their IPv6 not correct?
21:14<Peng>I'm not sure what kenyon was thinking of, but they only give you 16 IPs, in a shared /64.
21:14<Peng>And you can only set reverse DNS on one of them.
21:15<Eugene>That's pretty uncorrect
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21:24<Peng>And they firewall SMTP
21:31<Ikaros>Heh. Better than the single IPv6 other cloud hosts give you without the option to set rDNS at all on it.
21:34<Eugene>wtb RFC2136 support
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21:51<Celti>why is vim's regex syntax so moronic?
21:52<Ikaros>How to spend an otherwise boring Wednesday evening: Watching stuff on Amazon Prime Video on the 48-inch. :D
21:52<Celti>either do it normally, or make everything need escaping
21:52<Celti>but I hate this bullshit with trying to remember which things are special-cased
21:52<Celti>and while I know about \v it's not quite enough magic
21:52<warewolf>this is why I perl -pi -e 's/this/that/' files
21:54<Celti>there are issues with regexes plus some commands when calling out to perl instead of using internal regexes
21:54<Celti>I honestly should just switch to neovim
21:54<Celti>I dunno why I haven't yet
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22:27<Zimsky>ipv6 is wrong
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22:57<FluffyFoxeh>how do I install linode?
23:02<@jhaas>sudo apt install yum; sudo yum install pacman; sudo pacman -S python-pip; sudo -H pip install linode
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23:11<dcraig>sudo have fun playing pacman!
23:11<Zimsky>I mean like, ipv6 is morally wrong
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