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---Logopened Thu Feb 08 00:00:58 2018
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00:20<Zimsky>cpanel is fine if you have next to no idea what you're doing, don't care if it works properly, and never have any errors
00:21<Woet>ew cpanel
00:21<Zimsky>and as long as you never restart, upgrade, or update anything, and never lose network connectivity
00:23<Zimsky>it'd work great as a piece of matter in vacuum space, never subjected to any force or external particle
00:23<Zimsky>i.e. as long as nothing ever changes, it will never change
00:24<Zimsky>which I guess is just a reiteration of the obvious transitive property
00:24<Zimsky>in layman's terms: ew cpanel
00:25<Woet>ew cpanel
00:26<Zimsky>Woet: what's worse than cpanel?
00:26<millisa>plesk is definitely worse than cpanel.
00:26<Woet>directadmin is the only semi-decent panel
00:26<Zimsky>cpanel is worse than cpanel
00:26<Zimsky>making cpanel infinitely terrible
00:26<Zimsky>I've never been subjected to plesk
00:26<Woet>much like your life
00:27<Zimsky>in my life, you can divide by zero
00:28<Zimsky>any number equals any other number
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00:28<Ashish>I need to know tentative pricing for a HIPAA Compliant hosting
00:29<Zimsky>tentative pricing?
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00:29<Ashish>Linode 4GB
00:29<Zimsky>if you google "linode hipaa"
00:29<millisa>linode's compliance doc is at
00:29<Zimsky>you get a cool thing that explains it
00:29<Woet>its very untentative
00:30<Zimsky>Ashish: you're the one that makes it hipaa compliant
00:31<Ashish>Great !! Thank you very much my friend !!
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00:33<Woet>i'd trust him with my health info
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00:35<rsdehart>how much do your HIPAA compliant plans cost? Don't you try to fool me with one of your non-compliant ones
00:35<rsdehart>what do you mean there's a website with information on it?
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00:38<Zimsky>rsdehart: what?
00:38<rsdehart>Zimsky: that's not very tentative
00:38<Zimsky>construct pennies please
00:38<Zimsky>i.e. make cents/sense
00:39<Zimsky>and save the racket for the tennis court
00:39<Zimsky>Woet: ik ben eten appelmoes
00:39<Zimsky>heb jij appelmoes?
00:40<Zimsky>or is it 'je'
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00:48<millisa>interesting: (just turned on the curling coverage and the US is playing against a country labeled 'OAR' and didnt know what it was)
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00:52<Woet>cant read wikipedia here
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01:23<@bhanks>hi there. do you have a question?
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01:25<Zimsky>sounds like a weird thing to have
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01:26<sandeep_>i want to buy your hosting plan
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01:27<sandeep_>can you give me pre insateld cpanel ?
01:28<@bhanks>sandeep_ we're unmanaged so by default we dont provide anything like that
01:28<@bhanks>however our Professional Services team can do that for you
01:28<@bhanks>You can get more information and request a quote here
01:29<sandeep_>Price For Cpanel Installetion
01:29<Woet>You can get more information and request a quote here
01:29<@bhanks>!point Woet
01:29<linbot>bhanks: Point given to woet. (3)
01:32<sandeep_>if i buy your hosting plan . how many name server you will give me ???
01:33<sandeep_>Like N-1 N-2 N3 N-4
01:33<Woet>Linode has 5 of the highest quality nameservers you can find.
01:33<rsdehart>Google displays it front and center if you type linode nameservers
01:33<Woet>a true mark of quality'
01:34<sandeep_>Its A cloud Server ??
01:34<rsdehart>as opposed to?
01:34<sandeep_>i am from india
01:34<Woet>i could tell
01:34<sandeep_>my visitor from india
01:35<Woet>so you want the cloud to be over india?
01:35<Woet>its pretty cloudy i think
01:35*rsdehart turns on fans
01:35<Woet>sorry, there must be a strong wind, the closest cloud is over singapore
01:36<millisa>You can do some speedtests against the facilities -
01:36<rsdehart>I'd like to violence the marketing jackass who came up with the cloud buzzword for computing
01:36<Woet>"to violence"
01:36<sandeep_>Ohh Your Server Realy Fast
01:37<@bhanks>thanks πŸ’š
01:37<Woet>only the fastests clouds for linode
01:37<millisa>they smell nice, too
01:37<Woet>none of those slow ass cumulonimbus ones
01:37<rsdehart>mine smells like old socks :(
01:37<sandeep_>thanks . I will Buy Your Hosting
01:37<sandeep_>Thanks Again
01:37<Woet>Thanks For Shopping With Linode
01:37<Woet>See You Again Soon
01:37<rsdehart>Have A Nice Day
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01:39<Woet>I 😍 love πŸ’— Brazilians πŸ‡§πŸ‡· they be speakin πŸ—£porch of geese 🐀 n I be like πŸ‘…πŸ’¦πŸ’¦πŸ’¦ damn daddy πŸ‘Ά quack quack πŸ₯
01:39<@bhanks>Woet r u ok
01:39<Sandeep_>Linode 1GB
01:39<Zimsky>Woet: peng's flatfacing us again
01:40<Sandeep_>how many visitor can hendel
01:40<Woet>Welcome Back Sandeep_
01:40<Sandeep_>this plan
01:40<Zimsky>Sandeep_: as many as you can make it handle
01:40<Woet>At Least 10.
01:40<Sandeep_>10 means
01:40<Zimsky>numbers resolve to numbers
01:40<@sjacobs>Sandeep_: there are way to many variables to estimate how many visitors your site can handle.
01:40<Woet>sorry, I meant At Least X.
01:41<Woet>I didn't know India still used Roman numerals.
01:41<@sjacobs>we don't know anything about your site. and if we did, you should still test it yourself.
01:41<rsdehart>Sandeep_: fortunately, it's really easy to upgrade to a higher plan if you need more power
01:42<Sandeep_>i will need cpanel insatletion again
01:42<Sandeep_>after upgrade
01:42<Woet>throw some πŸ’°πŸ’° at the problem πŸ‘ˆπŸ‘‰
01:42<rsdehart>no, they take the whole contents and migrate to a new instance
01:42<rsdehart>they copy everything over
01:42<@bhanks>Sandeep_ we are an unmanaged infra provider so you basically get a blank linux box and you can do whatever you want with it
01:42<@bhanks>you should have an Admin ready to do that type of work for you
01:43<rsdehart>bhanks: Sandeep_ was asking if, after having you guys put cpanel on, would need to do it again after migration
01:43<Zimsky>how do you know that?
01:43<Sandeep_>i can pay for your professional-services
01:43<@bhanks>after migration to a higher plan? nope you'd still be set
01:44<millisa>(also - 1gb would be really small for a cpanel setup. cpanel recommends 2gb+)
01:44<rsdehart>Zimsky: I have The Sight
01:44<Woet>rsdehart speaks fluent Inglish
01:44<Sandeep_>ok bye
01:45<Woet>Thanks For Shopping With Linode
01:45<Woet>See You Again Kinda Less Soon
01:45<@bhanks>oh i love my time with you kids. truly rewarding.
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01:45<Zimsky>india doesn't still use roman numerals
01:45<rsdehart>Free Woet With Purchase Of Equal Or Greater Value
01:45<Zimsky>what are you going on about, Woet
01:45<Woet>Zimsky: apparently "10" was unclear
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01:45<Zimsky>they use devanagari
01:46<rsdehart>might have been binary
01:46<rsdehart>"damn, 10 isn't many at all"
01:46<Zimsky>nice try
01:46<rsdehart>"my server went down and I lost both of my users"
01:46<Woet>If bae on her period πŸ˜°πŸ’‰ then I'm on my period too 😀😀 it's uterUS πŸ’‘ not uterYOU. πŸ˜ŠπŸ’―β€οΈ
01:46<@bhanks>someone delete me from irc right now pls
01:46<rsdehart>I don't want to live on this planet anymore
01:46<Zimsky>what the fuck
01:47<Woet>bhanks: you went from "i love my time with you kids" to "someone delete me from irc right now" in 85 seconds
01:49<Zimsky>that's shorter than the half life of nobelium-253
01:52<Peng>Congratulations, y'all even more radioactive than Oak Ridge National Laboratory
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01:53<Peng>Someone needs to get the ops dosimeters
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01:53<Zimsky>ur mom's more radioactive than oak ridge
01:54<Peng>One of my relatives is, actually. Cancer treatment.
01:54<Woet>wow Zimsky
01:54<Woet>you're so insensitive
01:54<Zimsky>yes, I know
01:55<Zimsky>Woet: it's what makes me good at my work
01:56<Peng>What do you do, write American Twitter comments for the Russian government?
01:56<Zimsky>biomedical research
01:57<Zimsky>close though
02:01<Woet>bhanks: pls come back i didn't mean to hurt you
02:02<@bhanks>i dont know
02:02<@bhanks>you dont even know my name
02:02<Zimsky>also that's just what a woet that would mean to hurt you would say
02:02<Woet>According to all known πŸ’’ laws of πŸ˜œπŸ˜πŸ’―πŸ˜ŽπŸ† aviation, πŸ’’ there is πŸ†πŸ‘…πŸ” no 😩 way πŸ’€ a bee πŸ’πŸ’– should πŸ’― πŸ‘Œ πŸ‘€ be able πŸ’‡ to 😑😠 fly. πŸ‘³πŸ‘³ Its ✈🏒 wings 😜 are too small πŸ‘€ to get πŸ”žπŸ•―πŸ”₯ its fat little πŸ’― πŸ’― πŸ’― πŸ’― πŸ’― πŸ’― body πŸ’‡πŸ’Ί off the ground.
02:03<Zimsky>please go back to freenode
02:07<Eugene>!lick bhanks
02:07<linbot>Eugene: Point given to bhanks. (6)
02:08<@bhanks>all my favorite kids are here now
02:08<Eugene>Honey, you're the kid. I've been here for a decade
02:08<Zimsky>you have 328 kids?
02:08<@bhanks>Eugene oh helllllooo to you too
02:13<Eugene>Oh, also, I'm going to be in New Jersey(eww) / Pennsylvania area at the end of this month. Anybody wanna go to my mom's gun range? It'll be a Tuesday.
02:13<Eugene>Great Linode corporate field trip idea
02:15<Eugene>zifnab - wanna come? Tickets are like $400
02:15<Eugene>Or we could go to the gun range on the island
02:16<Woet>why is it so expensive
02:16<Eugene>Plane tickets
02:16<Woet>why is it so expensive
02:16<Eugene>America is big
02:16<zifnab>Eugene: I'm too busy fucking strangers.
02:16<Eugene>zifnab - weirdo
02:16<zifnab>TMI to the extreme.
02:17<Woet>you're the one who shared
02:17<zifnab>I know. Whats there to be ashamed of?
02:17<Eugene>What charity should I shave my beard for
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02:18<zifnab>Eugene: Lineage. Not a charity.
02:18<Eugene>zifnab - what do I get
02:18<zifnab>Eugene: You could shave their logo on your chest in the process
02:18<Woet>Eugene: the personal hygiene charity
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02:19<Eugene>You do it
02:19<zifnab>I don't have a beard
02:19<Eugene>To me
02:20<zifnab> Eugene: I bet ciwrl would join you
02:20<Eugene>do it
02:20<zifnab>I am unsure if I want to submit the world to this
02:20<Woet>i wish i had a tiny Eugene of my own
02:20<zifnab>Woet: this is a great fundraiser idea.
02:21<zifnab>Eugene: do you happen to know anyone with a body sized 3d scanner?
02:21<zifnab>Eugene: my 3d printer shows up soon. We could...make figurines.
02:21<zifnab>...god damn it. IRC mini figures
02:21<Eugene>Action dolls
02:21<Zimsky>they'd just be little bits of paper that have stuff like < Woet> on them
02:22<Eugene>Every night I'm a towel
02:22<Zimsky>and I'm sure a very handy one
02:22<Eugene>zifnab - can you export files from that VR paint app to your 3D printer
02:23<zifnab>Eugene: oh my god it's full of stars.
02:24<Zimsky>zifnab: I know someone with a large 3d scanner
02:24<Zimsky>you need to go to auckland to use it though
02:25<zifnab>Yeah that's a bit far. I don't fly well.
02:25<Zimsky>understandably not with that attitude
02:27<Eugene>Eh, not that bad.;f=SEA;t=AKL
02:27<Woet>nor with that altitude
02:27<Eugene>I've bought more expensive tickets by half
02:27<Woet>i flew the longest flight in the world from Auckland
02:27<Woet>a few months ago
02:27<Woet>it was fun
02:29*dcraig_ tickles woet around a bit with a large jewfish
02:29<Woet>thats anti-Semitic
02:29<dcraig_>that's the longest tickle
02:29<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
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02:30<Zimsky>ha, anti semantic
02:30<dcraig>they're all from wikipedia's list of fish
02:30<dcraig>I have no control
02:31<Zimsky>dcraig: can you parse for me?
02:32<Woet>i cant
02:32<Woet>wikipedia is blocked here
02:32<Woet>Wouters-MacBook-Pro:~ woet$ curl -i
02:32<Woet>curl: (35) LibreSSL SSL_connect: SSL_ERROR_SYSCALL in connection to
02:32*dcraig tickles zimsky around a bit with a large linguettine
02:32<dcraig>where are you that wikipedia is blocked?
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02:37<Zimsky>second roman reference you've made recently
02:38<dcraig>urmom's roman all over me
02:38<linbot>Yo mommas so insecure, she gets exploited more than Roundcube! (17:1/0) [mmuro]
02:38<dcraig>linbot shoulda stuck with squirrelmail amirite
02:39<Woet>just stick to gmail
02:49<Peng>Outlook 365
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03:00<Cory>Does Network in mean upload and network out mean download or is it opposite?
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03:00<Peng>It depends on what you mean by upload and download.
03:01<Cory>my website on the server. a visitor downloads the files from the sever to view the website. I make changes to my website. I upload the changes to the server
03:01<Peng>In that case, you're right.
03:02<Cory>oh ok. Thank you.
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05:39<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion β€’ disk quotas and how to fix them. <>
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06:21<andrea_>Is it possible to know how to make a transfer
06:21<andrea_>of Billing
06:21<@bmartin>Hey andrea_ what do you mean? Your best bet would be to open a support ticket with us. that isn't something we'd be able to do in our public IRC channel
06:22<andrea_>I've wrote yesterday but I'haven't received any response
06:22<andrea_>Is this address correct?
06:23<@bmartin>yes that is the email. What is your email address so I can take a look
06:26<@bmartin>thank you
06:28<andrea_>This transfer billing is very important for my client...we need to know how to do...thanks.
06:35<@bmartin>We will have someone look at the request asap
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06:37<sunny>some queries for linode cloud server : is it shared or dedicated?
06:38<sunny>is there any number of process or inode limit?
06:38<Woet>Linode sells a VPS.
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06:39<sunny>its cloud
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06:40<Woet>"cloud" doesn't mean anything.
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06:42<dubidub>my longview says 68.8K / 1.1M
06:42<dubidub>Current inode utilization
06:43<dubidub>looks like a limitation.
06:43<Woet>thats the sane default of their filesystem, yes
06:43<Woet>if you want more, format it with more
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06:46<@bmartin>Good morning Woet
06:46<Woet>The date & time is currently: Thursday, 8 February 2018 at 14:46:35
06:46<@bmartin>Good Morning from New Jersey?
06:47<Woet>aren't you in PHL?
06:47<dubidub>I don't have a full understanding of what an inode is. Why must a number be specified?
06:47<@jhaas>Good <time independent noun> Woet
06:47<Woet>Good day jhaas
06:47<@bmartin>Jhaas wins
06:47<Woet>PHL is right on the border with new jersey
06:47<Woet>i see i see
06:48<@bmartin>PHL may or may not exist as of tomorrow
06:48<@bmartin>due to Super Bowl based celebrations
06:49<Woet>yea its hard to celebrate without violence and destroying things
06:49<Woet>because ~~ alcohol ~~
06:56<ericoc>free alcohol too
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08:24<Zimsky>wow Woet got shut down
08:24<Zimsky><sunny> its cloud
08:24<Zimsky>r e k t
08:27<@bmartin>α••( ᐛ )α•—
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08:32<Zimsky>Woet sells guns to children
08:39<@jhaas>nerf guns?
08:40<Zimsky>H&K MP5s
08:41<Woet>gotta teach self defense early
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08:41<Zimsky>Woet: you're the type of person that would sell candy to children in order to lure them
08:41<Zimsky>rather than give it
08:41<Woet>only to lure them into my upsell for a MP5
08:41<Woet>"what if someone wants to steal your candy? you need this to defend yourself"
08:42<Zimsky>pretty sure you're not allowed to lure children into anything
08:42<Zimsky>jhaas: there's your evidence ^
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08:44<@jhaas>sounds like zimsky is in favor of stealing candy from children
08:45<Zimsky>less sugar is healthier, and in the long term, better for our species' genome
08:48<tafa2>Zimsky, have you seen "That Sugar Film"?
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09:03<@gjjansen>Woet is dangerous. Tried marrying me once. It was weird.
09:03<@bmartin>Full disclosure I can officiate weddings
09:03<Woet>lets go gjjansen
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09:07<tafa2>bmartin Linode weddings?
09:07<tafa2>That part of Linode managed services?
09:08<tafa2>Can you imagine a request asking to get married your DC?
09:08<tafa2>Top 3 weirdest support tickets of all time
09:09<Zimsky>that's just what the liberals want you to do
09:09<Ikaros>...I have no words to describe this conversation.
09:09<smallclone>that would barely scrape its way into the top ten
09:09<tafa2>smallclone damn
09:09<Zimsky>Ikaros: so why mention that?
09:09<tafa2>what kind of support tickets you receiving?
09:09<Ikaros>Then again that could probably be due to my exhaustion...
09:10<smallclone>when I worked there I read some very, very crazy ones
09:11<@jhaas>my favorite is still the dude who wanted to return a chainsaw
09:11<Zimsky>why would you return a chainsaw though
09:11<@bmartin>So good
09:11<Zimsky>they're so useful
09:11<Zimsky>and you can just sell it for slightly more than it's worth to some random on craigslist
09:11<@bmartin>Someone threatened to Dox me
09:12<@bmartin>which was kewl
09:12<Zimsky>did they?
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09:13<smallclone>they actually follow through on it sometimes but it's usually on some lame message board
09:13<@bmartin>they got their refund in the amount of time I told them they would
09:13<@bmartin>so they chilled
09:13<Zimsky>how would doxing you make the refund go faster though
09:14<@bmartin>the world may never know
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09:14<Ikaros>Threaten to dox someone over a refund issue? You ask me that's not someone I'd want to ever do business with, period, especially if they get their rocks off doing it.
09:14<Zimsky>is it not obvious you can cower behind the company's legal protection?
09:15<@bmartin>people are weird
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09:15<Zimsky>ikr, just look at Ikaros
09:16<tafa2>@jhaas: my favorite is still the dude who wanted to return a chainsaw <---- uhm what? someone wanted to return their chainsaw to Linode?
09:16<Ikaros>I suppose we all are in our own way
09:16<tafa2>did they confuse you for home depot?
09:16<@jhaas>hang on i'll pull it up again
09:17<Woet>bmartin: so you didn't end up getting doxed?
09:17<Woet>i'm glad, imagine if people knew your name was blake
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09:17<@bmartin>I know right?
09:17<@bmartin>v spooky
09:17<Zimsky>inb4 official reprimand from HR about "sharing internal information"
09:17<Woet>HR still hasn't gotten back to my bhanks complaints
09:18<Woet>they might not exist
09:18<Zimsky>what did bhanks do?
09:18<Woet>what didnt bhanks do
09:18<Zimsky>what did bhanks do?
09:18<@jhaas>"Refund on our payment order number # for a chainsaw."
09:18<@jhaas>"We DO NOT HAVE AN ACCOUNT WITH LINODE, ordered this transaction through Amazon! This is not very satisfactory at all."
09:18<Woet>name and shame
09:18<@jhaas>last reply only contained a thumbsdown emoji
09:18<tafa2>jhaas wow
09:18<Zimsky>jhaas: were they english?
09:19<Ikaros>To think I'd get to see some humor before heading to work.
09:19<tafa2>My fav ticket of all time was a user that tried to delete the windows folder on their computer to free up some space
09:19<tafa2>but the chainsaw one
09:19<tafa2>just... wow
09:20<Zimsky>my favourite is the person that called up warranty support saying the USB port wouldn't work and they wanted it fixed
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09:21<Zimsky>when they finally admitted what happened to the laptop, it turns out they'd mashed a banana into the side of the laptop
09:21<@bmartin>had a guy during my apple days who got high on shrooms and tried to feed a muffin to his mac pro
09:21<@bmartin>in the disc drive
09:21<@bmartin>"It was hungry"
09:21<tafa2>omg you made spit my tea
09:21<Ikaros>And they come out of the woodwork, it's like I see new ops in here every other month or something
09:21<tafa2>*made me
09:21<Zimsky>my second favourite was the guy that said "facial recognition doesn't recognise my face any more"
09:21<@bmartin>and I later found out that others had similar experiences so this isn't rare
09:22<Zimsky>I had to mute my phone because I (and my colleague) were laughing too much
09:22<@gjjansen>I watched a woman lick cat pee off her laptop to prove it wasn't cat pee. Spoiler alert: it was cat pee.
09:22<Ikaros>tafa2: Your tea? My Dr. Pepper. Except that went more up my nose.
09:22<Zimsky>gjjansen: delicious
09:22<Zimsky>cat urine is quite potent
09:22<tafa2>you spending too much time on 4chan
09:22<tafa2>Ikaros ouch
09:22<Ikaros>Damn it you made me do it again
09:23<tafa2>when is Linode holding an event in London
09:23<tafa2>and giving us some cool swag to go with it
09:23<Zimsky>tafa2: maybe nsfw?
09:23<tafa2>oh and ISO support would be great too guys please
09:23<tafa2>bah i decide what is sfw here
09:24<smallclone>tafa2: iirc London is ISO 27001
09:24<smallclone>or do you mean like, uploading an .iso
09:24<tafa2>I mean like .iso support :)
09:24<smallclone>ah yeah
09:24<tafa2>Zimsky what is this hahaha
09:24<Ikaros>I suppose though, this is what I get for spending all night trying to compile a new Linux kernel to fix the wifi driver's habit of spontaneously pretending the USB device don't exist.
09:25*Ikaros sighs
09:25<Zimsky>tafa2: tales from 4chan read by brendaniel
09:25<Zimsky>he's awesome
09:25<Ikaros>Maybe I should just settle on the built-in even though it's crappy.
09:25<tafa2>I haven't compiled a kernel in about 12 years
09:25<@bmartin>i popped some kernels
09:25<Zimsky>Ikaros: get a mac
09:25<@bmartin>whilst watching a movie last evening
09:25<Ikaros>Fun fact: I used my Dallas-based Linode to compile said kernel.
09:25*bmartin leaves
09:25<tafa2>bmartin that code for netflix and poop
09:25<@bmartin>Nailed it
09:26<Ikaros>'cause it has the GCC toolchain with retpoline support. :D
09:26<@gjjansen>Ikaros: Nice!
09:26<tafa2>Zimsky "Tard Guard" hahaha
09:27<@gjjansen>I've been tinkering with kernel stuff lately hot on the heels of all the disclosures. I'm still bad at it but we try.
09:27<tafa2>nothing on .iso and a London event? :)
09:27<Zimsky>gjjansen: pls2 support freebsd
09:27<smallclone>they're both unlikely in the immediate future
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09:30<smallclone>i would be interested to see deployment numbers on a freebsd image
09:30<Ikaros>I'll tell you though, compiling GCC from scratch, testing it as best I could, and thereafter actually making sure it overrode the system-installed GCC and friends, that took a fair bit of time in of itself. I don't think I came back to it for at least half a day, I mean I started it, slept, came back, still going. That was the more time-consuming process by far.
09:30<tafa2>Ikaros how big was the linode?
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09:32<trippeh>/sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/meltdown:Mitigation: PTI
09:32<trippeh>/sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/spectre_v1:Mitigation: __user pointer sanitization
09:32<trippeh>/sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/spectre_v2:Mitigation: Full generic retpoline
09:32<Ikaros>Eh. Doing it on the Linode was noticeably quicker. My first compilation of GCC 7.3 was actually on a different server for testing. My home server, to be specific.
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09:33<Ikaros>But it still took a while regardless 'cause I was literally building the entire thing.
09:33<Zimsky>smallclone: too few. always too few.
09:33<Ikaros>And of course, an up-to-date version of binutils to complement it.
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09:34<Zimsky>smallclone: just ask Rainbow
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09:35<smallclone>if they're making their images correctly now with something liek packer it should be trivial enough to include limited support for freebsd
09:36<smallclone>the usage numbers were more of an issue when images were being made mostly manually (looking at you slackware)
09:36<Ikaros>But yeah. My Dallas node is running a custom kernel via Direct Disk, that is patched against all 3 variants, v2 variant being through retpoline mitigation. And from that source tree + toolchain, I've compiled various kernels with mitigations for various servers of mine. The latest project was what I spent all last night working on - using the same source and toolchain to compile a kernel with
09:36<Ikaros>all 3 mitigations in place, but also attempting to get the USB wifi driver I need for the dongle included in the kernel source tree.
09:36<Ikaros>THAT was a trick. :/
09:37<Zimsky>you're really obsessed with this wifi thing
09:37<Ikaros>And I made a few errors along the way that ended up forcing my laptop to drop to Busybox initramfs prompt. >.>;
09:38<smallclone>i no longer have the nerves to basically perform brain surgery on my own laptop
09:38<smallclone>thus the mac i guess
09:38<smallclone>i'd rather break VMs
09:38<Zimsky>I hate it when people use that phrase
09:39<Ikaros>But one sleepless night is done, it's running the kernel, WITH the mitigations, WITH the driver in place.
09:39<Zimsky>neurosurgery is really really complex
09:39<Ikaros>Ahh the life of a sysadmin, lol
09:39<Zimsky>by comparison, repairing laptops is like performing an autopsy
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09:41<Ikaros>Though I really should have just done this night before last. Not a work night. Oh well. I work today, come home, have like 3 hours to myself before I have to go to bed around 8 PM, because TOMORROW I have to be up for work @ 4 AM.
09:41<smallclone>right it is complex, that's why i chose it, it was embellishment to overstate the difficulty / risk.
09:42<Ikaros>And on that note, time to hop in the shower, get dressed, and get my butt out of here and off to work.
09:42<Ikaros>Feeling proud that I conquered the Linux source code :P
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09:47<Zimsky>smallclone: goats are like mushrooms. if you shoot a duck, I'm scared of toasters
09:47<tafa2>uh oh
09:47<tafa2>something is wrong with Zimsky
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09:49<dzho>tafa2: something *else*?
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10:58<@gjjansen>Hi Nimmi
10:58<Nimmi>i have a issue in updating my web site on your srver
10:58<Nimmi>can you please help me
10:58<Nimmi>into this
10:58<Nimmi>from yesterday im trying to do this but not workig still my website and emails are not working
10:58<Nimmi>doing name is :
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11:02<@gjjansen>They left :(
11:16<Woet>its okay
11:16<Woet>his domain doesnt even point to linode
11:17<tafa2>I was just going to say
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11:49<millisa>tafa2: you get that hash solution I dropped in here the other day?
11:49<Woet>bmartin: you get that hashbrown i dropped in your mailbox the other day?
11:49<tafa2>millisa could it be my BNC didn't pick your highlight?
11:50<millisa>might be. was the second hash you posted
11:50<millisa>sec, i still have it
11:50<tafa2>your kidding!
11:50<tafa2>We ended up resetting
11:50<millisa>aww dangit
11:50<tafa2>ended up retrieving the configs through telnet
11:50<tafa2>that were base64
11:50<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking β€’ Route private traffic between multiple Linodes - simple route table question <>
11:50<tafa2>so those were easy to unscramble
11:51<tafa2>then all that was left was the admin pass - but since we had the config it was ok to reset
12:03<@bmartin>Thank you for the hashbrown woet
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12:59<@gjjansen>Woet: Send me a stroopwafel.
13:00<Woet>gjjansen: i always bring stroopwafels when i meet new friends
13:00<Woet>i actually checked a box of 20 packets when i went to iceland
13:00<@bmartin>we've got Tang
13:01<@bmartin>aka space juice
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13:30<DrJ>reading the blog about block storage... when will atlanta come online?
13:30<millisa>it is suspiciously not mentioned in the blog announcement
13:32<millisa>"We don’t have anything to announce for Atlanta just yet, but we’ll be sure to let you know via our blog once we do."
13:32<@bmartin>that's accurate
13:32<millisa>was in the comments
13:32<tafa2>millisa nice
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13:33<DrJ>something about atlanta making deployment different/difficult?
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13:34<Woet>atlanta makes everything difficult
13:35<DrJ>must be something for it to not even be mentioned in the post itself
13:35<FluffyFoxeh>third time my linode has lost its network connection randomly, and LISH isn't accepting input
13:36<FluffyFoxeh>It's weird. I made a ticket
13:36<DrJ>FluffyFoxeh: probably best to open a ticket for that
13:37<FluffyFoxeh>It's fixed by rebooting but funnily enough the Linode doesn't respond to shutdown commands either. The manager ends up forcefully rebooting it
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13:40<smallclone>yeah it wouldn't surprise me at all if Linode is planning to relocate in Atlanta similar to what they did in Dallas
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13:40<smallclone>zayo / zcolo / whoever is terrible
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14:01<Geoffrey>Hi, I have a question regarding the region in the new dashboard ( I can't figure out which region matches with Dallas? us-south-1a or us-southeast-1a? Thank you
14:02<Geoffrey>Hi, I have a question regarding the region in the new dashboard ( I can't figure out which region matches with Dallas? us-south-1a or us-southeast-1a? Thank you
14:02<Woet>one more time please
14:02<@bmartin>US South
14:02<Woet>!towel bmartin
14:02<linbot>Woet: Point taken from bmartin! (9)
14:02<@bmartin>Southeast is Atlanta
14:02<@bmartin>Geoffry ^^
14:03<Woet>bmartin: you dont tab complete nicks? you heathen
14:03<Woet>!towel bmartin
14:03<linbot>Woet: Point taken from bmartin! (8)
14:04<Geoffrey>Linode should change this page: US SOuth is associated to Atlanta which is confusing :)
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14:51<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development β€’ Why so much RAM used on website? <>
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14:54<Danzilla>Hello! how can I get an additional ip adress
14:54<linbot>Each Linode comes with 1 public IPv4 address and 1 public IPv6 address. Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1 per month, and require technical justification. A /64 or /56 of IPv6 can be routed to your Linode at no charge.
14:55<millisa>The important bit being the technical justification.
14:56<Danzilla>How can I do it?
14:56<millisa>open a ticket with the technical justification? What do you want it for?
14:56<Danzilla>give me a link please
14:57<Danzilla>I want to buy vps and post on it several sites with different ip
14:58<millisa>You want to host multiple sites on the same linode?
14:58<millisa>You don't need an additional IP to do that.
14:59<Danzilla>Linode 4GB $20/mo
15:00<millisa>This doc shows how to setup apache with a named based vhost. you can have multiple vhosts on the same IP; you would need to just set the servername/serveralias appropriately
15:00<Danzilla>I need to place them on different ip
15:01<Danzilla>i need Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1 per month
15:01<Danzilla>I so need)
15:01<millisa>Again, why?
15:03<Danzilla>I used to work like this, I like when sites on different ip
15:03<smallclone>yeah you don't need, you want
15:03<smallclone>that's a waste of ip addresses
15:03<millisa>'liking it' isn't a technical justification.
15:03<Woet>Danzilla: "i like" is no
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15:03<millisa>!point woet
15:03<linbot>millisa: Point given to woet. (4)
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15:05<Danzilla>how i can Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1 per month
15:05<millisa>You send a support ticket in with appropriate technical justification.
15:05<Woet>Danzilla: you will not get additional IPv4 addresses for your purpose.
15:05<smallclone>i mean you can certainly try
15:05<Danzilla>OK thanks!)
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15:06<Woet>you can't try
15:06<Woet>its a waste of time of support
15:06<Woet>they have better things to do
15:06<smallclone>oh it totally is
15:06<Woet>Danzilla: why do you want a site to have a different IP?
15:06<Woet>Danzilla: besides "i like"
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15:06<smallclone>they don't have a reason other than that
15:06<smallclone>because there isn't one really
15:06<Woet>i just want them to say "this article from 2000 says its better seo" so i can link the Google response
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15:07<millisa>Setting up sites on the same IP is really straightforward; it's a very common setup. good, right, salutary
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15:08<Demo>page source the bottom of may need to be edited, refers to the wrong link on github
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15:08<smallclone>i think people who believe in that seo sorcery have learned that they shouldn't say it
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15:13<tafa2>Woet different IP's are better for SEO
15:14<Ikaros>Well search engines are gonna have to live with single IPs.
15:15<tafa2>I was kidding - just wanted to make Woet happy so he can paste his link
15:22<millisa>github just killed tls 1.0 (supposedly for an hour) in prep for a final cutoff in 2 weeks.
15:23<millisa>(intentionally killed that is. today was the final wakeup call)
15:25<tafa2>but there isn't anyone intentionally using TLS 1.0 is there?
15:26<millisa>people who haven't updated out of centos 5, 6.8 or 7.2 could be
15:27<millisa>easy for 6.8/7.2 folks to update. the pain gets greater for those still using the EOL 5.x stuff
15:28<millisa>Demo: did you see under your username in the new manager is a 'submit feedback' link?
15:28<Demo>millisa: I never saw that, will jump on it now :)
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15:29<millisa>I think it's just a shortcut to the feeback email
15:29<millisa>er, feedback...
15:30<Demo>first time booting up a Linode since the xen days, the network now is insanely fast!
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15:31<Demo>and everything else oc
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15:41<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development β€’ Why so much RAM used on website? <>
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16:32<wcastrillon>HI, I have a question about backups service, in the linode web page it says: "Three backup slots are executed and rotated automatically: a daily backup, a 2-7 day old backup, and an 8-14 day old backup. A fourth backup slot is available for on-demand backups."
16:33<millisa>Sounds right
16:33<wcastrillon>I enabled it, but the daily backup option is not enabled
16:33<wcastrillon>only the Weekly Backup is enabled
16:34<millisa>is the weekly backup from last night?
16:34<wcastrillon>what i need to do to enable the daily backup as they said
16:35<@bhanks>the daily backup is automatically enabled, as are the others.
16:35<@bhanks>wcastrillon : is the date of the weekly backup yesterday's date?
16:35<millisa>if its time for the daily backup and it is the day of your weekly backup, it's going to be the one used for the weekly
16:36<wcastrillon>I just enabled it today
16:37<wcastrillon>Ok, I'll wait until tomorrow for the first backup
16:37<wcastrillon>thanks a lot!
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16:56<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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17:00<@bhanks>thanks for the update Eugene
17:06<cruxeternus>The sun may refuse to shine, but every day, Eugene is Linodin'
17:12<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion β€’ the week astrology <>
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18:41<me>So, it's faped?
18:42<jwogrady>I didn't have the backup service turned on... Am I completely out of options for a restore?
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18:44<Peng>In what context?
18:45<Peng>If the Linode was deleted, there may be a backup kept temporarily in the Images section
18:45<jwogrady>No, the linode itself is safe.
18:46<jwogrady>Trying to restore database changes on a WP site.
18:46<MrPPS>yeah, unless you had regular db dumps, or unless wp did some automated backup of its own
18:46<jwogrady>but I didn't have the linode image backup service enabled
18:46<MrPPS>if you don't have linode image backups, or your own database backups, then you're out of options
18:47<me>Hi, anyone else server is down or just my? :(
18:47<jwogrady>yep, that's what I figured... anyone up for a beer? lol
18:47<millisa>100% up here
18:47<jwogrady>I need to cry in it.
18:48<MrPPS>jwogrady: that hurts :( but at least you'll make multiple backups from now onward, right?
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18:48<jwogrady>yep, fail towards improvement.
18:51<me>millisa: thx
18:51<me>Anyone here from support?
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18:51<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
18:52<millisa>ticket's probably the best way to start though if you can't get on your system, even with lish
18:52<me>yup, opened - thx
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20:18<esmool>Hi, I need some support
20:18<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
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20:19<esmool>I'm registering my account, but you sign up page info me that my emall address is invalid.
20:19<esmool>How to solve this problem
20:19<tafa2>that's a cool domain
20:20<millisa>use an address that isn't from a domain rampant with abuse?
20:20<esmool>neithor the won't work
20:22<esmool>how could I know whether that domain has been abused? That the most largest companies in China, 100M+ users use that
20:24<tafa2>esmool probably best to send a ticket
20:25<esmool>Tried, it asked loggin first
20:28<esmool>So, all you fellows are not the official customer supporter?
20:29<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
20:34<esmool>I got it, thanks for all of you~~
20:34<millisa>good luck (if you try some other email; it'll probably work. the 163 and qq domains always seem to be the pair people ask about this with)
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20:58<Zimsky>watch out for stray woets
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22:27<mukesh>i hi
22:28<millisa>i hello
22:28<mukesh>do you offer windows platform?
22:28<mukesh>i need windows based VPS
22:28<Zimsky>you can install it though
22:28<mukesh>how? can you help?
22:28<millisa>linodes are mostly linux, though
22:28<Zimsky>I don't work for linode
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22:29<mukesh>okie thanks
22:29<Zimsky>search around on the linode docs
22:29<mukesh>ys sure i will. thans a lot for help
22:29<linbot>It is possible to run Windows on !kvm Linodes. Here's a set of unofficial instructions:
22:29<smallclone>it isn't exactly fun to do
22:30<mukesh>oops. do you know any other which offers windows hosting???
22:30<Zimsky>why do you need windows?
22:30<smallclone>to click on things
22:30<smallclone>erm vultr does
22:30<Zimsky>is it something you could not conceivably do on linux?
22:30<smallclone>i dunno much about windows hosts tbh
22:31<mukesh>i know but our project is made upon .net and using SQL server and other things
22:32<smallclone>yeah those are definitely windowsy reasons
22:32<Zimsky>should have made your project in C
22:32<Zimsky>or python
22:32<Zimsky>also you can run sql servers on linux
22:33<mukesh>yes but things are ready now. cant waste all the work
22:33<smallclone>bit late for that though now, isn't it
22:33<smallclone>i guess try vultr
22:33<smallclone>geez azure looks expensive
22:34<millisa>lightsail/aws, rackspace have windows/sql offerings
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22:39<Zimsky>sure you can waste all the work
22:39<millisa>i'm assuming that was part of the plan from the get go
22:39<Zimsky>just because you design a submarine with big holes in the side doesn't mean you should complete it and use it
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22:40<smallclone>eh i mean, i don't think shopping around for a vps provider necessarily means that he is about to back to his boss or whoever and advocate for moving everyting to linux
22:40<smallclone>that doesn't really seem like a reasonable thing to push for
22:40<Zimsky>sure it does, smallclone
22:40<smallclone>particularly for .NET
22:41<Zimsky>.net should be abolished
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22:42<Zimsky>the more people I can convince to do away with proprietary bloat like windows and the associated licence costs, the better
22:43<Zimsky>I allude to Woet's usage of "crusade" here
22:43<smallclone>yeah i think you really struck a chord with him
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22:44<Zimsky>he's going to go away now and switch to linux
22:44<Zimsky>everyone is happy
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22:59<dzho>even better if you convince them to spend that money to help develop open source
22:59<dzho>(or free software, however you want to swing it)
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23:38<afx237>anyone know if linode will be matching DO's storage per plan any time soon?
23:39<Peng><Linode marketing team groans>
23:40<afx237>haha i know. not trying to be a "compete for my business" pain in the ass. but got a few VPSes to merge into one, and I like both linode+DO, so for this task at least will just go with whichever has more storage. and happy to wait if linode has an increase on the horizon.
23:41<@jhaas>No idea. Right now we're still focused on Spectre and Block Storage. If/when that happens there will be a blog post :)
23:41<afx237>jhaas: ok cool thanks, fair enough
23:42<Peng>That's why you should double everyone's disk space to distract from Spectre. :D :D :D
23:42<Peng>It's the perfect plan
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23:45<afx237>404... oh you got me :)
23:45<millisa>i know! I forgot the https!
23:49<Ikaros>Damn it now I want to play through Portal and Portal 2 again.
23:51<@jhaas>i don't play many video games, but man those were good
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23:54<@bhanks>oh man i clicked on that hoping that I missed something today and there would be cake
23:54<millisa>here's hoping someone in marketing is doing 404 analysis
23:55<@bhanks>marketing pls
23:56<afx237>oh someone other that me actually monitors 404s? that's good. amazing the number of huge sites with important article like microsoft don't redirect their old URLs or anything.
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