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00:11<Bryce_>Hi :) Just resized a linode (larger) and now it won't boot. Opened a ticket but anyone from Linode around that could help? Thanks!
00:11<Bryce_>Actually, forget me. Worked now 10 mins later :)
00:11<millisa>witchcraft
00:11<Bryce_>Magic of IRC
00:11<Bryce_>Cheers!
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00:47<millisa>@myfavorite
00:47<Zimsky>crusty jugglers
00:49<@bhanks>hey kids how is everyone doing tonight?
00:50<Zimsky>that yeast is back
00:51<@bhanks>well well well
00:51<@bhanks>if you dont want me to be cheery and friendly i wont Zimsky </3
00:52<Zimsky>I'm talking about my breadmaking
00:52<Zimsky>wow
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01:05<@bhanks>:O
01:05<Zimsky>Ö
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01:20<buzzly>;P
01:28<FluffyFoxeh>õ
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01:59<linbot>New news from forum: /dev/random • Service host <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15805&p=75890#p75890>
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02:19<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • Can send emails locally but not to anyone else <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15804&p=75891#p75891>
02:20<FluffyFoxeh>meta-j19ctrl-M
03:03*dcraig tickles fluffyfoxeh around a bit with a large ghost flathead
03:06<FluffyFoxeh>!point dcraig
03:06<linbot>FluffyFoxeh: Point given to dcraig. (6)
03:06<FluffyFoxeh>!fish
03:07<FluffyFoxeh>>Error: You must be registered to use this command.
03:07*dcraig tickles fluffyfoxeh around a bit with a large threespine stickleback
03:07<FluffyFoxeh>!help fish
03:07<linbot>FluffyFoxeh: (fish <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "say #linode moo".
03:07<dcraig>you should register...
03:07<FluffyFoxeh>what :p
03:08<dcraig>!fish
03:08<linbot>moo
03:08<FluffyFoxeh>y tho
03:08<dcraig>can't moo otherwise
03:10<FluffyFoxeh>I mean why does "fish" alias to "say #linode moo"
03:10<FluffyFoxeh>so random
03:10<dcraig>oh
03:10<dcraig>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longhorn_cowfish
03:10<@bhanks>oh dear
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05:09<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • el mejor tarotista de valdivia <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15806&p=75892#p75892>
05:19<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Linode Consultant / Help Required <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15758&p=75835#p75835>
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05:29<Kostis_GR>Hello All
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05:30<@bmartin>hello!
05:31<Kostis_GR>I would like to deploy a grails app
05:31<Kostis_GR>attached with mysql database
05:31<Kostis_GR>I think taht 4GB memory is enough
05:32<Kostis_GR>can you please guide me what package should I buy?
05:36<@bmartin>Your best bet would be to start there and you can always size up or down very quickly
05:37<Kostis_GR>Is there any kind of guide on how to setup database(mysql), etc?
05:37<@bmartin>https://linode.com/docs/databases/mysql/
05:37<Kostis_GR>Also this application will be servedto Greece
05:37<Kostis_GR>can I order servers on EU?
05:37<@bmartin>We have a variety of guides depending on your specific needs
05:38<Kostis_GR>thank you for the link about mysql
05:38<@bmartin>https://www.linode.com/speedtest
05:38<@bmartin>That will show you all of our datacenters and allow you to test speeds
05:39<Kostis_GR>Thank you in advance!
05:39<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • Can send emails locally but not to anyone else <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15804&p=75893#p75893>
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06:10<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Why so much RAM used on website? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15771&p=75894#p75894>
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07:00<Guest4101>Hello
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07:01<dirtyculture>bb freaks
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07:10<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • apt-get downgraded kernel <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15807&p=75895#p75895>
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08:00<dren>Where does linode have their office (HQ)? Country.
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08:08<@sjacobs>united states.
08:08<Woet>[08:02:30] dren (~oftc-webi@0138700788.0.fullrate.ninja) left IRC
08:09<@sjacobs>womp.
08:09<Woet>thinking people hang around for more than 2 minutes
08:09<Woet>rookie mistake sjacobs
08:09<@bmartin>yeah I was about to respond
08:09<@bhanks>oohhhh hello there Woet
08:09<@bmartin>then he was like "Nah I'm leaving"
08:09<Woet>Zimsky: help 3 ops are swarming me
08:09<Woet>im gonna get banned again
08:09*bmartin swarms woet
08:09*Woet rubs bmartin's back
08:09<@bhanks>a girl can dream
08:09<Zimsky>I'm amazed neither of us have been klined
08:10<Woet>thats only jiggawattz
08:10<@bmartin>kilned?
08:10<Zimsky>bhanks: no we can't
08:10<@bmartin>like clay?
08:10<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Grub2 UUID does not exist error <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15808&p=75896#p75896>
08:10<Woet>yes
08:10<Woet>exactly like clay
08:10<Zimsky>bhanks: we must be submissive to men and follow their lead
08:10<Zimsky>we must not have dreams
08:10<@bhanks>well
08:10<Zimsky>the man must always walk ahead of us
08:10<@bhanks>seemsl ike a good time to leave
08:10<Woet>Zimsky has been spending too much time in Riyadh
08:10<@bmartin>Hope is for presidents and dreams are for people who are sleeping
08:11<Zimsky>so how do you explain daydreaming?
08:11<Zimsky>check fucking mate
08:11<Woet>how do you explain drycleaning?
08:11<@bmartin>a waste of money, and hallucinations
08:11<@bmartin>in reverse
08:11<Zimsky>tetrachloroethylene
08:11<Woet>i love it when you go reverse
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08:14<Woet>bhanks bmartin: will you hang out with me when i visit philly
08:14<@bmartin>of course
08:14<Woet>awesome
08:14<@bhanks>if my restraining order hasn't gone through i guess so
08:14<Woet>now i just need a reason to actually visit philly
08:14<Zimsky>lol
08:14<@bmartin>that's the hard part
08:15<Zimsky>come to macau
08:15<Woet>already been
08:15<Woet>wanna be las vegas
08:15<Zimsky>so?
08:15<Woet>i mean
08:15<Zimsky>don't go to america
08:15<Woet>you dont want to meet
08:15<Woet>so why would i go there
08:16<Woet>just to use my frequent visitor HKG immigration lane?
08:16<Peng_>Disney World?
08:16<@bmartin>America is...interesting and getting more so by the day
08:16<Zimsky>based on conversations I've had here, Rainbow probably seems like the coolest person to meet
08:16<@bmartin>is what I will say
08:16<@bhanks>oh
08:16<@bhanks>well then
08:16<Cromulent>ok so changing the subject slightly which PHP cache library would you use? Alternative PHP Cache, eAccelerator, or XCache?
08:16<Woet>never ever seen Rainbow say something
08:16<@bmartin>I'm the least interesting person you'll meet
08:16<Zimsky>Rainbow is awesome
08:16<Woet>Cromulent: excuse me, do you think this is some kind of sysadmin channel
08:16<@bmartin>Cromulent coming in here
08:16<@bmartin>getting us on task
08:16<Woet>please dont go off topic
08:16<Cromulent>:D
08:17<Woet>i'd just use memcached
08:17<Zimsky>bhanks: does this upset you
08:17<Woet>so you can scale up
08:18<rsdehart>Woet: webscale?
08:18<@bmartin>:upset:
08:18<Woet>definitely webscale
08:18<Woet>:slightly_frowning_face:
08:19<@bhanks>Zimsky yeah. it sure does
08:19<Zimsky>bhanks: which specific part of it?
08:20<@bhanks>... brb gotta go find someone
08:21<Woet>bhanks: an attorney to file a 50C?
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08:23<Zimsky>AHOY THERE
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08:24<@bmartin>I'm well versed in bird law
08:24<Zimsky>landlubbers
08:24<@bhanks>im only versed in LinodeLaw :\
08:24<@bmartin>I'm the Milton of Linode
08:25<@bmartin>I keep showing up, but i've been removed from the systems
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08:26<Woet>you mean like agent smith
08:26<Zimsky>it's a trick
08:27<Woet>you're a trick
08:28<Zimsky>huppelkut
08:28<Woet>!ops
08:28<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: https://www.linode.com/contact
08:29<@bhanks>good job woet
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08:33<@gjjansen>!point Woet
08:33<linbot>gjjansen: Point given to woet. (7)
08:33<Zimsky>ಠ_ಠ
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08:33*bmartin Gives a tide pod to Zimsky
08:36<Woet>yummy
08:36*Zimsky gives HgC2H6 to bmartin
08:36<Woet>cute
08:37<@bmartin>Awww happy Valentine's Day to me
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08:40<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Grub2 UUID does not exist error <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15808&p=75897#p75897>
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08:52<Zimsky>bhanks: a restraining order would have been the perfect gift for woet for valentine's day
08:53<Woet>wow
09:00<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • tarot pregunta gratis telefono <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15809&p=75898#p75898>
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09:18<phil19371>Hi, I deployed a new ubuntu 16.04 server and can't apt-get update. it's stuck on Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (2001:67c:1360:8001::21 ... any idea?
09:19<Zimsky>maybe ipv6 is dingled
09:19<Peng_>Does IPv4 work?
09:19<Peng_>Can you connect using IPv6 to other things?
09:19<Peng_>Can you connect to Ubuntu services using IPv4?
09:19<Zimsky>can you use the packet sauce?
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09:20<smallclone>it is an ipv6 thing
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09:20<phil19371>I did not change anything, its a new server#
09:20<Zimsky>https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MRERvjZBKqY/hqdefault.jpg
09:20<@sjacobs>phil19371: what datacenter?
09:20<smallclone>specifically when connecting to security.ubuntu.com though
09:20<phil19371>Dallas
09:20<phil19371>I tried 16.04 and 17.10
09:20<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Is apache solr required for drupal 8? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15783&p=75838#p75838>
09:20<@sjacobs>it's a known issue, but one that is actively being worked on.
09:20<smallclone>phil19371: echo 'Acquire::ForceIPv4 "true";' | sudo tee /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99force-ipv4
09:20<Peng_>:O
09:20<smallclone>^ run that and it'll fix your problem
09:20<Peng_>smallclone: Permanently? :(
09:21<Peng_>!mtr-dallas security.ubuntu.com
09:21<linbot>Peng_: [mtr-dallas] 8.|-- SOURCE-MANA.edge1.Boston2.Level3.net 0.0% 3 41.1 41.0 40.9 41.1 0.0 -- 9.|-- hanger.canonical.com 0.0% 3 40.9 40.8 40.7 40.9 0.0 -- see https://mtr-dallas.mn0.us/?c=c1494760 for full mtr
09:21<smallclone>in my experience it speeds up the initial apt-get update anyway
09:21<@sjacobs>it'll eventually fail over to IPv4, but can take a while. you can also uncomment `precedence ::ffff:0:0/96 100` in `/etc/gai.conf`
09:22<phil19371>it's working now with ipv4, thanks!
09:22<Peng_>:(
09:22<@sjacobs>i'm gonna update our tracking for that. we thought we had it fixed.
09:22<Peng_>6.-- lag-65.ear1.Dallas1.Level3.net 0.0% 3 3904. 3850. 3774. 3904. 67.9
09:22<Peng_>Heh
09:23<phil19371>it's working, but takes it's time to connect: [Connecting to mirrors.linode.com (104.200.23.162)] [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (91.189.91.26)]^C
09:24<phil19371>yesterday I had no problems whatsoever, this is now a new instance
09:26<Zimsky>hiroshima had no problems on the 5th of august, 1945
09:27<Zimsky>maybe do an mtr to that mirror though
09:27<Zimsky>see what's what
09:29<Peng_>phil19371: How much time?
09:29<@sjacobs>it is only present on newly created linodes.
09:29<phil19371>@Peng_ the first was approx 10sec
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10:36<james>buenos dias
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10:36<james> una pregunta. En linode yo puedo accesar a una ip privada de algun vps tan solo contratando otro vps en el mismo centro de datos sin necesidad de ser el titular. Creo que solo hay que activar la opcion de ip privada
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10:39<Woet>Guest4119: English would get you further
10:39<Woet>even though I'm in Medellin
10:40<Guest4119>a question. In linode I can access a private ip of some vps just by hiring another vps in the same data center without the need to be the owner. I think you just have to activate the private ip option
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10:43<Woet>i was hoping for something better than google translation
10:43<Woet>but yes, anyone in the same DC can access the other internal IPs
10:43<Woet>thats why you should still use the necessary precautions you would with external IPs
10:43<Woet>e.g. SSH tunnels, encryption, firewalls, etc.
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10:43<dwfreed>!point Woet
10:43<linbot>dwfreed: Point given to woet. (8)
10:44<Woet>swimming in points today
10:45<dwfreed>we need to start using that more for helpful answers
10:46<dwfreed>sjacobs: changing getaddrinfo() preference :/
10:46<dwfreed>sjacobs: that affects all apps' resolution with AF_UNSPEC, not just apt-get, ultimately making everything prefer v4
10:47<Guest4119>thank you very much
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10:47<@sjacobs>i'll make a note of that for the docs team. it is the recommended method in the iptables doc.
10:48<@sjacobs>i think it was a carryover from when iptables was still in the getting started guide.
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10:48<dwfreed>sjacobs: fwiw, ubuntu distributes the security repo as part of their main archive too, so ubuntu templates could just use the Linode mirrors for security too
10:51<dwfreed>Linode also apparently mirrors debian security
10:53<dwfreed>but debian's sysadmin team is a little better at maintaining their IPv6 connectivity
10:55<@sjacobs>it's an issue on our end, not canonical's.
10:56<dwfreed>sjacobs: historically the issue has been canonical's :P
10:56<@sjacobs>so we thought. :p
10:57<dwfreed>I've seen MTRs to security.ubuntu.com that would just loop
10:57<@sjacobs>ah, that's not what we're seeing. gotcha.
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11:16<Eugene>zifnab - ur a taco
11:17<zifnab>Eugene: you're a towel!
11:17<Eugene>Not at this hour in the morning I'm not
11:18<zifnab>i'm trying to remove a terrabyte of small files
11:19<zifnab>i'm debating just formatting the disk
11:19<zifnab>it would be faster at this point
11:19<Zimsky>terabyte*
11:19<Zimsky>can you visualise it?
11:19<zifnab>it's a ccache tree
11:19<zifnab>so things in the format X/Y/Z/Q/name.{o,manifest}
11:19<relidy>!point Zimsky
11:19<zifnab>"few trillion compiled objects"
11:19<linbot>relidy: Point given to zimsky. (7)
11:20<zifnab>!lick dwfreed
11:20<linbot>zifnab: Point given to dwfreed. (40) (Biggest fan: mcintosh, total: 6)
11:20<Zimsky>okay
11:20<zifnab>keeps hanging too, find . -ls -delete | awk 'NR%1000==0' seems to be my friend this mroning
11:20<Zimsky>find a common pattern?
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11:27*Eugene sneezes violently
11:27*Zimsky shits everywhere
11:28<@bmartin>Not again
11:28<Zimsky>ikr
11:28<Zimsky>Eugene: do you have a cold?
11:28<Zimsky>you keep sneezing
11:28<Eugene>Cats
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11:28<Zimsky>wtf is that?
11:28<@bmartin>a cat?
11:28<zifnab>Eugene: i'm adding !ask to work slack i think, is this a bad idea?
11:28<zifnab>!ask
11:28<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
11:28<Woet>sneezing?
11:29<Woet>zifnab: it is
11:29<Woet>too passive aggressive
11:29<Zimsky>zifnab: do you use slack voluntarily?
11:29<zifnab>"Can I ask a question here" - Yes - you can ask questions here - you just did! Please get to the point, we don't have all day.
11:29<zifnab>Zimsky: it's what work has. it's what friends use. i'm stuck with it.
11:29*tafa2 walked in at the wrong time...
11:29<Zimsky>;_;
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11:31<Eugene>We use Microsoft Teams at $DAYJOB. I enjoy speaking in GIFs to my cow orkers
11:31<Eugene>Can you add vend to a slackbot?
11:31<Woet>> Microsoft
11:32<Zimsky>here we go
11:32<smallclone>yeah not again
11:32<smallclone>some people use
11:32<smallclone>MS
11:32<smallclone>it happens
11:32<Zimsky>those people should have intra-arterial injections of KCl
11:33<Zimsky>maybe
11:33<Zimsky>smallclone: M$ shit is actually a gigantic waste of money and time though
11:34<smallclone>active directory honestly doesn't have any equal in OSS
11:35<Zimsky>you don't really need it
11:37<Woet>its called hiring decent employees
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11:38<smallclone>i don't see what hiring practices have to do with user and group management plus the like hundreds of other things that AD does
11:40<Zimsky>smallclone: what other things does it do
11:40<Zimsky>have you got a list
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11:42<smallclone>look it up if you're curious, my point is it's often necessary for large windows domains..
11:43<Zimsky>at what cost though?
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11:45<smallclone>at a huge cost..but as much as it'd be nice if it were the case, places with large lab deployments like universities can't really deploy linux campus wide
11:46<Zimsky>I'm sure
11:46<smallclone>i guess i'm specifically speaking about my experience with AD in an education setting..but that's one of the places where MS definitely has a stranglehold
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11:58<dwfreed>zifnab: unmount the disk and edit the fs to remove the base directory, then fsck
11:59<zifnab>dwfreed: I went to work instead.
11:59<zifnab>It'll be done when I get home
11:59<dwfreed>heh
11:59<zifnab>I...am apparently very dehydrated
12:00<zifnab>Huh. That's a new feeling
12:00<Eugene>You were always a lightweight
12:00<zifnab>Lol
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12:01<Eugene>Zimsky - Active Directory makes a lot of things easier. In my daily workjob they are: ADFS/SAML integrated sign-on for dozens of services, GPO management of user desktops, first-class LDAP support in every ENTERPRISE product ever, authenticated DNS, a well-integrated calendaring + communication system(Outlook + Lync/S4B), etc.
12:02<Eugene>This is for directories with hundreds+ users, not your average FOSS collection of users who just need an email box, maybe
12:02<Zimsky>thanks Eugene for actually backing yourself up
12:02<Zimsky>I still think it's shit though
12:02<Eugene>Oh, total crap thats absolutely impermeable
12:02<Eugene>But it /works/ most of the time
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12:03<Eugene>We definitely prefer cloud directories(Azure and AWS both provide them) that require minimal care and feeding(from me)
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12:04*Woet feeds Eugene
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12:05<grawity>we quite successfully run Samba as AD domain controller >_>
12:06<Eugene>Samba doesnt do half the things that actual AD will do ;-)
12:06<grawity>does plenty of them, for our use case
12:06<Eugene>FU AWS.
12:06<Eugene>As I'm talking about this, of course I run into trouble with Simple AD
12:06<grawity>(and yes it's AD, not the old NT4 domains)
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12:07<Eugene>An internal service error has been encountered during directory creation. Please retry the operation.
12:07<Eugene>-_-
12:07<Eugene>The suggested fix is to open a support case. I'm not paying for support on this account.
12:08<Eugene>I know the problem: I am deleting and recreating a Directory and there's some shit on the backend that doesn't like reusing the same name(s)
12:08<Woet>Eugene: did you retry the operation
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12:08<Eugene>Yes, including waiting 8 hours while I slept
12:08<Eugene>Shits broke, yo
12:08<gparent>i wish the software I worked with had an 8 hour sleep install step
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12:09<Woet>Eugene is just lazy
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12:10<Eugene>Or its a Terraform bug. I'll find out!
12:12<Zimsky>Woet: do you need some ondansetron?
12:13<Zimsky>I need some ondansetron
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12:18<zifnab>Isn't that the anti nasuea med
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12:18<Zimsky>one of a few, yes
12:18<zifnab>It is.
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12:19<Zimsky>my preference is trimethobenzamide usually
12:19<Zimsky>with all this microsoft discussion, I feel ill
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12:38<Jax_>If I want to add SSL to my domain would I have to buy a SSL certificate first?
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12:38<Zimsky>never ever buy an ssl cert
12:38<Zimsky>https://letsencrypt.org/
12:39<Zimsky>you can get them for free from LE
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12:41<Zimsky>you're welcome
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12:48<Eugene>Head ----> desk. I am creating custom VPC network ACLs.... and the two subnets are not allowed to talk to each other.
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12:50<Zimsky>Eugene: do you want some ondansetron?
12:51<Eugene>I'm not looking to get pregnant right now, thanks
12:51<Zimsky>what
12:52<Zimsky>how did you draw that from that?
12:53<@mcintosh>https://media.giphy.com/media/fDO2Nk0ImzvvW/giphy.gif
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12:56<Zimsky>mcintosh: I concur
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12:57<Eugene>I recognize it as something a family member took during her third trimester
12:57<Zimsky>it's an antiemetic
12:57<Zimsky>Eugene: do you even pharmacology?
12:58<Eugene>Nope. We covered this yesterday: I Am Not A Doctor
12:58<Zimsky>last time I checked, most doctors aren't pharmacologists
13:02<Eugene>Pregnancy cause morning sickness. What do you think an anti-emetic does?
13:04<Zimsky>prevents nausea and emesis
13:04<Zimsky>I also don't think, I know
13:04<Zimsky>( ゚◡゚)
13:08<Woet>(☞゚ヮ゚)☞
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13:24<Demo>hey, how did you guys get into Linux as a full time job? I'm looking at the university route, the only course available around here is Computer Science
13:24<Zimsky>linux as a full time job?
13:24<Woet>i have a job?
13:25<Zimsky>you can get a sysadmin job
13:25<Woet>brb calling my mum im not useless any longer
13:25<Zimsky>but it's not particularly interesting
13:26<smallclone>i got into Linux as a full time job by working at Linode
13:26<smallclone>in general support at a hosting provider or something like that isn't a bad way to get started
13:26<Zimsky>fired for running around the office without pants :/
13:26<Demo>smallclone: that's a pretty good shout!
13:26<Zimsky>jhaas is scarred for life
13:26<Demo>Zimsky: there's always one
13:27<Demo>sysadmin would be a little tedious I'm sure
13:28<smallclone>saying "Linux as a full time job" is pretty broad though, do yo have any idea about what you might specifically want to do?
13:28<relidy>^++
13:29<Zimsky>Demo: go into molecular biology
13:29<Zimsky>or computational biology
13:29<Zimsky>:D
13:29<Demo>I'm not particularly sure to be honest
13:31<Demo>Fancy a change from working a manual labour job, fancied learning more around the core aspects of Linux with progression
13:32<Zimsky>install debian, mess around with stuff, learn stuff, idk
13:32<Demo>Zimsky: Sounds interesting! Aye I do, Linode ftw!
13:40<emerson>just to be sure, for transfer pools, it's shared between all servers in a DC, right? So i won't get charges if a 1G server uses 1.5GB and another server only uses 200MB?
13:42<relidy>I'm assuming your numbers are made up since they're really, really low, but you're basically correct. Transfer pooled across the account, not just the DC (right? Someone correct me if I'm wrong there).
13:42<emerson>er, lol
13:42<emerson>1.5TB and 200GB
13:43<relidy>Bingo! Figured it was something like that :)
13:43<Demo>That's correct, as long as the servers are in the same datacentre on the same account yeah.
13:47<relidy>I'm still not sure that it's DC-dependent. It doesn't really impact me at the moment, but can someone directly address what's included in the pool? I was under the assumption that everything is pooled together. I mean, the graphs in the dashboard seem to reflect that.
13:50<Demo>relidy: my mistake, you were right. https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7163&p=74413
13:50<Demo>see post by db3l
13:51<gparent>I like the last post on that one
13:51<emerson>cool, the vast majority of our servers will be in the same DC anyways
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15:47<checkingout>Hi
15:47<checkingout>anybody here?
15:47<DrJ>nope
15:47<checkingout>ok
15:47<DrJ>!ask
15:47<millisa>just me and 349 of my closest friends.
15:47<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
15:48<checkingout>are you guys using mattermost?
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15:48<checkingout>its pretty neat!
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15:57<Woet>nice advertising
16:03<synfinatic>lol
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16:40<cruxeternus>Product uses devious and unwelcome marketing methods. I'm inspired to use already.
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16:46<Woet>devious and unwelcome? sounds like Zimsky
16:55<smallclone>i prefer that to an email harvesting popup
17:03<bonk>newbie question. I have followed the lemp guide here but when I try the ip address to test the install I get cannot reach host? What did I miss?
17:03<millisa>what do you mean by 'try the ip address'?
17:04<bonk>type it into the browser.
17:04<bonk>sorry this was the guide. https://linode.com/docs/web-servers/lemp/how-to-install-a-lemp-server-on-ubuntu-16-04/
17:04<millisa>did you start the web service? did you open the firewall?
17:04<bonk>maybe not. I am really not very good at this.
17:05<bonk>I just folllowed the steps in getting started, then hardening server then lemp guide.
17:06<millisa>what does systemctl status nginx say?
17:07<bonk>says it is active running
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17:08<millisa>alright, what about 'ufw status verbose'? do you see port 80 open?
17:09<bonk>no
17:10<millisa>but you see other ports open, yes?
17:10<bonk>looks like only 22 ssl
17:10<bonk>is there a guide on setting the ports correctly somewhere?
17:10<millisa>alright, here's your doc - https://linode.com/docs/security/firewalls/configure-firewall-with-ufw/ opening a port would look something like 'ufw allow 80' to open port 80
17:11<millisa>ufw allow 80/tcp would be even better
17:11<millisa>for https, you'll also want to do 443 when you are ready for that.
17:12<bonk>yes i just found that too.
17:12<bonk>thanks!
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17:12<millisa>your page loading now?
17:14<bonk>no it is not.
17:14<bonk>i see the port now open
17:14<bonk>but ip still will not load page
17:14<millisa>what's the IP?
17:15<bonk>http://50.116.43.166/
17:15<millisa>hm. shows 80 'closed' when I look.
17:16<millisa>time to paste some stuff
17:16<millisa>!paste
17:16<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at https://bpaste.net/ and not in the channel
17:16<millisa>let's see the output of the 'ufw status verbose' and the 'netstat -tulpn' you ran earlier.
17:19<bonk>https://bpaste.net/raw/782e1fddce0a
17:19<millisa>looks good, lets see the netstat
17:20<bonk>https://bpaste.net/raw/c8ec2e2c9bc2
17:20<millisa>Doesn't look like nginx is listening.
17:21<millisa>sudo systemctl restart nginx
17:21<smallclone>might also want to run 'nginx -t' just to confirm it's not a syntax error or something in your config files
17:21<millisa>if nginx doesn't start, find out why. you can test your nginx config with 'nginx -t'
17:22<millisa>beat me!
17:23<bonk>says syntx ok
17:24<bonk>but failed to restart ngnix.service: unit ngnix.service not found
17:24<millisa>nginx not ngnix
17:25<bonk>lol sorry
17:27<bonk>https://bpaste.net/show/de0c4ce7a410
17:27<bonk>restarted
17:27<millisa>still doesn't show anything on 80.
17:27<millisa>if you do a 'nginx -T' it should dump out the config
17:27<millisa>lets see it
17:29<bonk>https://bpaste.net/show/0e32bee5125f
17:30<millisa>capital T
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17:31<bonk>https://bpaste.net/show/ab296cc5dd5b
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17:32<millisa>hm. dont see a server section
17:33<bonk>did i miss a step somewhere?
17:33<millisa>think so. you made that file in /etc/nginx/sites-available
17:34<millisa>there's a step after that where you enable it on ubuntu (look for the step that looks like 'ln -s /etc/nginx/sites-available/exmaple.com /etc/nginx/sites-enabled' on that page
17:35<bonk>ok I think i remeber that. maybe I forgot sudo or something? I will go back and take a look
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17:39<relidy>!point millisa
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18:32<bonk>millisa I repeated the steps and the same file is created. This is the command that creates that file...tail /etc/nginx/sites-available/default -n 13 | cut -c 2- | sudo tee /etc/nginx/sites-available/example.com 1> /dev/null
18:33<bonk>I am not sure what I am missing.
18:33<millisa>looks overly complex
18:33<millisa>that /etc/nginx/sites-available/whateveryouwant file is just something that looks like that 13 line box in step 2 of the configure section.
18:39<bonk>right it is 19 lines after adding the php stuff later.
18:39<bonk>and it exists. so I do not know what I am missing.
18:39<millisa>ok, so sites-available isn't read by the nginx config. you need to symlink that file into sites-enabled which *is* read. that's what the 'ln -s ...' step is doing
18:40<millisa>do you see the symlink in /etc/nginx/site-enabled?
18:43<bonk>yes
18:43<millisa>but you don't see the contents of that show up when you do the nginx -T ?
18:49<Eugene>Who are the cool kids buying SAN SSL certificates from nowadays? I don't know where to turn anymore, after all the Symantec/RapidSSL/GeoTrust/etc nonsense. I would like to get a 2-year validity(since 3 isn't possible anymore), and I am spending money on this. No, ACME will not work for this legacy app.
18:51<bonk>ok so i removed the smlink and recreated it. now I am at least getting a 404 error
18:52<millisa>great. looks like you got nginx listening.
18:53<bonk>yes thank you for sticking with me.
18:53<millisa>there's probably some hints in your /var/log/nginx/error.log and /var/log/nginx/access.log you may have a permission issue somewhere
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18:55<bonk>Thanks I will take a look later. I have to run now.
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19:30<Eugene>It looks like Comodo/PositiveSSL is gonna be the winner today.
19:31<Woet>D I S G U S T I N G
19:31<Woet>Eugene: Digicert is the best if Lets Encrypt is not an option
19:32<kezimo>...
19:32<kezimo>Verisign, anyone?
19:33<DrJ>LetEncrypt ftw
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19:41<Peng_>Eugene: Amorally, a *new* Symantec certificate will work fine. Browsers are distrusting their old certificates. New certificates are on separate infrastructure. With a new owner.
19:41<Peng_>(namely DigiCert)
19:43<Eugene>Woet - DigiCert bought the corpse of Symantec's business; I'm uncertain to what degree the two are now conflated?
19:43<Woet>Eugene: I'll conflate you all nigh tbaby
19:43<Eugene>$20
19:43<Peng_>"Symantec" is now more or less marketing pages over DigiCert's API.
19:45<Peng_>I dunno how much the customer servicce personnel have been combined.
19:58<FluffyFoxeh>
19:58<FluffyFoxeh>what does symantec do?
19:58<FluffyFoxeh>do they still make anti virsu?
20:00<Peng_>I dunno. Maybe they'll launch a cryptocurrency? :P
20:00<Peng_>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symantec
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21:34<Eugene>Technically it's a remote exploit execution environment
21:36<Eugene>I don't know what is left of the ol' ENTERPRISE: they've sold off everything or turned it into a laughing stock of consultancy and garbage software
21:36<Eugene>Surely there's a lot of investor value propping the place up
21:40<Plinker>Did MacAfee not buy Symantec? And Intel bought MacAfee
21:43<Eugene>Intel bought McAfee. Symantec's Norton brand is what you're probably thinking of?
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22:02<toothe>Hi all. Is there any plan to get Kali on Linode? I use it all the time, but the installation process takes a bit of time.
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22:15<bonk>I am getting a 403 error when testing a LEMP install where should I look to figure out what is set up wrong?
22:18<bonk>never mind. I figured it out.
22:20<Woet>that was quick
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22:33<FluffyFoxeh>Eugene: What about Norton?
22:33<FluffyFoxeh>is that still a thing? :p
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22:49<zifnab>it is
22:49<zifnab>sadly
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23:03<toothe>okay, I'm having trouble getting Kali installed.
23:03<toothe>I've done this in the past, but it doesn't seem to want to find the cd drive.
23:04<kezimo>sounds like your bios
23:05<toothe>oh?
23:05<toothe>what?
23:05<kezimo>or the cd rom drive itself
23:05<kezimo>can you boot from the cD?
23:06<toothe>yes.
23:06<toothe>so, i set /dev/sdc as the boot drive.
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