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---Logopened Sun Mar 11 00:00:41 2018
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00:49<helpme>Hey, what's up with the second set of A/AAA records? Excuse me I'm a dummy.
00:49<millisa>What do you mean by 'second set of A/AAA records'?
00:50<millisa>As in what is the difference between A and AAAA?
00:51<helpme>Yes. One set, the IP address looks a lot different and is prefixed with what looks like the port #?
00:51<millisa>ipv4/ipv6. Here's your link
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00:59<Woet>nmelehan: dont scare me like that again
01:04<Woet>bhanks: how do I get him to open up to me
01:06<Woet>nmelehan: you're cheap, i like it
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01:21<helpme>So a CNAME record isn't necessary unless you want a subdomain name to point elsewhere?
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01:24<@bhanks>excuse me
01:24<@bhanks>dont diss Tang
01:29<Woet>bhanks: who dissed Tang? I said cheap, not bad
01:29<@bhanks>linode runs on tang
01:30<Woet>that could genuinely be some fancy name for a stack nowadays
01:31<helpme>Orangutan OJ powder?
01:32<Woet>Trac Apache Novell Gnome
01:40<@scrane>Lol Novell.
01:40*scrane gets flashbacks
01:45<millisa>Touchpoint Aanalytics, Next Generation. I'm putting 'blockchain' under it. making stickers. give me money.
01:54<@bhanks>you kids keep me young!
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03:00<fay_coyote>Hi All, Sorry I'm a newbie here at linode
03:00<@scrane>All good.
03:00<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
03:00<millisa>greetings, again
03:02<fay_coyote>1st question, what kind of topic can we discuss here in this webchat
03:02<millisa>We generally talk about linodes and things linodish.
03:15<fay_coyote>Thanks Millisa, 2nd one are you linode user or linode staff :D
03:15<fay_coyote>just ask :D
03:15<millisa>a user.
03:15<fay_coyote>anyway my main question...
03:16<fay_coyote>i've found that our website was host at line by our developer with Standard 12GB Plan
03:17<fay_coyote>currently we're experiencing a slow performance accessing each page inside
03:19<fay_coyote>developer inform us that our server resource has been overlimit and suggest us to upgrade the plan
03:19<fay_coyote>2 option -> higher VPS Plan or move to a dedicated one
03:20<millisa>Linode doesn't have dedicated plans. They are all VPS
03:20<millisa>which 'server resource' were they saying is 'overlimit'?
03:20<fay_coyote>main question 1 -> when it tells server resource mean our CPU, memory or ssd ussage not the bandwidth right?
03:20<Woet>inb4 disk space
03:20<Woet>fay_coyote: we can't read the mind of your developer, but yes, that one
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03:21<fay_coyote>sorry, can get what you're saying woet
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03:22<fay_coyote>you're saying that server resource mean inb4 disk space?
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03:22<millisa>We have no idea what your developer means by 'server resource'
03:22<fay_coyote>and yes it need to be upgraded to a higher one
03:23<fay_coyote>@milisa, same to me, that's why ask here :)
03:23<millisa>You'd need to ask them
03:24<millisa>It's easy enough to size a linode up. The next plan up from the 12gb has double the ram, 2 more cores, double the storage, and could feasibly do double the network out (if you are even hitting that cap)
03:25<fay_coyote>2nd question, for let say 1000 to 5000 visitor per day was the standard 12GB Plan is enough?
03:25<millisa>We don't know what a 'visitor' constitutes in resource usage for your specific site.
03:25<fay_coyote>@millisa, thanks, i'll read it
03:25<millisa>That's another question for your developer, not us
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03:28<fay_coyote>@millisa, ok, thanks for replying :)
03:28<fay_coyote>cheers ya all :)
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03:44<nurbavit>Hi all!
03:44<nurbavit>using I am having problems testing Django apllication
03:45<nurbavit>Can you help me?
03:46<nurbavit>[Sun Mar 11 12:17:23.866608 2018] [wsgi:error] [pid 11164] [client] mod_wsgi (pid=11164): Target WSGI script '/var/www/html/' cannot be loaded as Python module. [Sun Mar 11 12:17:23.866677 2018] [wsgi:error] [pid 11164] [client] mod_wsgi (pid=11164): Exception occurred processing WSGI script '/var/www/html/'. [Sun Mar 11 12:17:23.
03:47<nurbavit>[Sun Mar 11 12:17:23.866758 2018] [wsgi:error] [pid 11164] [client] import django.core.handlers.wsgi [Sun Mar 11 12:17:23.866776 2018] [wsgi:error] [pid 11164] [client] ImportError: No module named django.core.handlers.wsgi
03:47<nurbavit>how can I fix this error?
03:48<nurbavit>please help!
03:53<helpme>How does CentOS compare to Ubuntu?
03:56<helpme>Also, what is the best SSH client from your experience? (Not directed at anyone in particular)
03:57<helpme>For Windows I should add
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04:00<Woet>not using Windows is always a good start
04:00<@nmelehan>nurbavit: looks like the important error is 'No module named django.core.handlers.wsgi'
04:00<@nmelehan>found a discussion about that error
04:02<helpme>Cmon Woet we all know of your master race
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04:18<nurbavit>@nmelehan thank you
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05:11<helpme>The servers host key is not cached in the registry O.O
05:12<Zimsky>┐(◉‸ ◉;)┌
05:12<Zimsky>┐( ಠ‿ ಠ;)┌
05:13<helpme>I'm scurred
05:13<Woet>ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ raise your dongers ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ
05:14<helpme>Should I trust the connection
05:14<Woet>the message should explain what it means
05:14<helpme>How do I know if it's the right key though?
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05:15<helpme>It's a trap?
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05:16<Zimsky>it's pronounced tarp
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05:27<Woet>bmartin: is bhanks a hufflepuff?
05:27<@bhanks>@scrane tell him what house i am
05:27<Woet>just do this facebook test
05:27<@bhanks>do not let this blasphemy continue
05:27<@scrane>house targaryen
05:27<Woet>what kind of support animal are you???
05:28<@bhanks>scrane pls
05:28<@bhanks>there's a clear answer here
05:28<@scrane>Definitely a slytherclaw
05:28<Zimsky>scrane didn't even make it into hogwarts to begin with
05:28<Zimsky>the sorting hat kicked him out
05:28<Woet>yea he went to that stupid french school
05:28<@bhanks>scrane would be an ideal student
05:29<@scrane>Lol I was never an ideal student
05:29<@bhanks>well you're smart and interested
05:29<Woet>i bet bhanks went to Beauxbatons
05:29<@bhanks>i would go to Durmstrang if anything
05:29<Woet>distracting all the males
05:30<@scrane>bhanks: I used to play the game of "see how little I can do to pass this class."
05:30<@bhanks>have you not seen what i look like??? you should know that's not true lol
05:30<Woet>"clever, elegant, and undeniably awe-inspiring"
05:30<Woet>hm nvm thats wrong
05:30<@bhanks>yeah not me
05:30<@scrane>Also, I am the sort of person to rise to any challenge. So when I'd take an easy class and the teacher would say "You have to TRY to fail this class" I'd put the emphasis mentally on the wrong word :-P
05:30<Woet>its okay scrane you made it in the end
05:31<Woet>now you're here with me
05:31<@scrane>No. You're trapped here with me!
05:31<Woet>i dont need to quit my job in order to leave this channel
05:31<@bhanks>i think scrane has to be here but i dont!
05:31<Woet>scrane: did you know your new office already has your teams banner up?
05:31<Woet>bhanks: you cant leave us, admit it
05:31<@scrane>Haha I'm not in Trust!
05:32<Woet>wait what
05:32<Woet>who is bhanks's boss again
05:32<@scrane>Oh, I am
05:32<@bhanks>dont think jspinosi uses IRC anymore
05:32<@bhanks>you mean like REAL boss
05:33<Woet>i forgot who i've been submitting my complaints to
05:33<Woet>my bad
05:33<@bhanks>oh that would explain why i got sent to night shift hmmm
05:33<Woet>it all worked out in the end, you're in my timezone now
05:33<Woet>for the next 2 weeks at least
05:33<@bhanks>nah til may at least
05:34<Zimsky>that's fucking terrifying
05:34<Woet>i'll be switching timezones in 2 weeks
05:34<Woet>sorry for the bad news
05:34<@bhanks>oh darn.
05:34<Woet>your nights will be even longer
05:36<@bhanks>woet this is horrible what will i do!?
05:36<Woet>talk to inferior people i guess
05:36<Woet>hide in the vault
05:36<Woet>try to find gold
05:36<@bhanks>how long is this for?? what hours??
05:36<@bhanks>i need details
05:36<@bhanks>Zimsky does as well. but for opposite reasons
05:37<Woet>march 26 - may 26
05:39<@bhanks>we'll just have to say our goodbyes soon then!
05:40<Woet>its okay we can snapchat
05:40<@bhanks>of course
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05:50<@scrane>I have an idea. Snapchat. But for cats. We can call it... snapcat.
05:53<Woet>scrane: you're only 4 years late,
05:54<@scrane>Such is my life.
06:23<helpme>Can you SSH tunnel if your site has an SSL certificate?
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06:28<helpme>Woet? Where is my prrrince?
06:28<@scrane>Do you mean can you SSH to your Linode if there is an SSL certificate installed?
06:30<@scrane>Yeah, that won't interfere with being able to SSH. That only encrypts traffic on one port, generally 443 for most HTTPS connections
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06:39<Woet>SSH is already encrypted.
06:39<Woet>SECURE shell
06:42<helpme>Ye. I just thought you couldn't SSH if you had an SSL certificate because I read "This is useful in cases where the service you wish to access doesn’t run over SSL" and I'm a froob.
06:46<FluffyFoxeh>I am not sleeping
06:46<Woet>but then again its 7pm
06:47<FluffyFoxeh>Sun Mar 11 06:47:05 EDT 2018
06:48<helpme>one fluffy boi
06:49<Woet>The date & time is currently: Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 18:49:24
06:49<helpme>who would win, one fluffy boi, or one woeful boi?
06:50<Woet>who says I'm not fluffy
06:50<Woet>is bhanks spreading lies and slander again
06:50<Woet>thanks for your contribution
06:51<@bhanks>whatever im spreading isnt lies
06:51<@bhanks>you can Trust me
06:51<@bhanks>haha a funny.
06:51<Woet>just gonorrhoea
06:51<@bhanks>mcintosh kick woet immediately
06:51<@bhanks>oh wait. i can!
06:51<Woet>you can
06:51<Woet>/kick Woet
06:52<Woet>your first time you can (ab)use your OP powers?
06:52<FluffyFoxeh>!lick Woet
06:52<linbot>FluffyFoxeh: Point given to woet. (11) (Biggest fan: zimsky, total: 16)
06:52<Woet>thanks FluffyFoxeh
06:52<Woet>i appreciate you
06:52<FluffyFoxeh>oh that was the wrong command
06:53<Woet>so much betrayal here
06:53<FluffyFoxeh>or did you mean lick instead of kick?
06:53<Woet>i'm indifferent whether i get kicked or licked
06:53<Woet>it much depends on who the other party is
06:54<Woet>and their tongue hygiene
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07:03<helpme>What folder do I upload my site to lol
07:05<helpme><------ Woet
07:07<helpme>The point in the hierarchy where it becomes accessible through the address bar in the browser, idk lol
07:08<helpme>The home folder?
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07:10<@scrane>Are you using Apache or nginx?
07:11<helpme>No idea lol
07:11<@scrane>Are you copying this site from somewhere else? Have you installed anything on the Linode yet?
07:11<@scrane>What operating system are you using?
07:12<@bhanks>well. you should definitely find that out asap helpme
07:12<helpme>Windows xD
07:12<@bhanks>oh darn
07:14<@scrane>Running a Winode? Sadly, that's a bit out of my expertise.
07:15<helpme>I'm so confused lol
07:15<helpme><----- Lord
07:15<@bhanks>it would prob be easier to learn linux
07:16<helpme>I connected with an FTP client to transfer some stuffs and don't know which folder to place the folder containing my site lol
07:16<@scrane>Agreed. Personally I'd recommend using Ubuntu 16.04 and following this guide:
07:16<@scrane>Just to confirm. You're running Windows on your Linode?
07:17<helpme>Lol I am one confused human bean
07:18<helpme>I am running Ubuntu 16.04
07:18<helpme>So no
07:18<@scrane>Hah! Okay. So that does make things easier.
07:18<@scrane>I would recommend taking a look at that guide I provided, then.
07:19<helpme>I thought you meant my PC, I'm a complete noob
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07:58<JamesTK>Good evening #linode
08:08<JamesTK>Whatever time it is XD
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08:14<waltman>JamesTK: Most of us in the US switched to daylight saving time overnight, so we're all going to be confused for a few days. It may well actually be evening!
08:14<JamesTK>waltman: I work for AWS (am based in Sydney) all our shifts are based on Seattle time. Fun!
08:15<JamesTK>...don't have any personal stuff on aws tho <3 linode
08:35<@scrane><3 JamesTK
08:40<Woet>dwfreed: linbot is trying to phish me, pls help
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10:49<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • PHP ... run as www-data or as user who owns the website? <>
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12:39<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • PHP ... run as www-data or as user who owns the website? <>
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13:12<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin\
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15:30<uwotm8>Man this syntax is about as clear as a regular expression :'(
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15:56<uwotm8>What kind of "passphrase" should I use? Just like any old password? Or do I want it to be extra difficult
15:59<Iguil>For what?
15:59<Iguil>I would say always use a secure a password as possible.
16:02<uwotm8>Like 20 characters secure? Or is that overkill?
16:03<uwotm8>Also, why is the default directory "Documents" whereas in the guide it's "SSH-Windows?
16:05<uwotm8>"Keep the default location and name of the private key file and click on the Save button"
16:07<Iguil>Depends, 20 characters of random characters is better than 20 characters of a common word/phrase.
16:07<uwotm8>I used 9 characters of all kinds
16:08<Iguil>Are you creating a SSH key?
16:09<Iguil>You don't have to store the private key in the default location, as long as you store it the safest place possible.
16:09<uwotm8>I'm following this guide @ #9
16:09<uwotm8>It says save it in the default space and the default is documents but in the guide it's SSH-Windows
16:09<nate>high entropy is yo' friend
16:10<nate>uwotm8: The general logic is the same. TL;DR: Your private key should be kept secure where you don't have to worry about others getting it some how, as it's effectively access-granting like a password would be
16:10<uwotm8>It is not always since the cold death of the universe is lame.
16:12<uwotm8>How often am I gonna be using the key? I don't want to have to type 20 random characters every day lol
16:12<nate>every time you go to shell in, it's an alternative to passwords
16:13<nate>that said, if you want to be sane, use a password manager like keepass or something where you can store unique passwords and just copy them from there :P
16:23<uwotm8>That takes care of the storage issue, but do you manually type in an enormous password whenever you tunnel?
16:25<uwotm8>key* not password
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16:27<nate>Uh, you don't type a private key in lol
16:27<nate>it's a file
16:27<nate>you save the file, you provide the file to your choice of SSH client as an authentication key
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16:34<uwotm8>Oh okay so Keepass is an alternative to private key? O.o
16:35<uwotm8>Since it holds passwords securely?
16:36<nate>they are two completely different things. Keepass is a password database you can store -all- your passwords into, simply having one log in to access all your passwords. I was just talking in general for managing to keep long passwords for websites and stuff so you don't have to worry about 'typing in a bunch of characters' lol
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16:38<uwotm8>So the passphrase is a password for the key? (@_@)
16:38<Iguil>The key is an alternative to typing username and password when you log in via SSH. You don't HAVE to password protect the key, but then, anyone who gets their hands on your key file would be able to log in directly. With a passphrase on the key, you need both the key file, and its password to unlock it.
16:40<Iguil>THe key is like an access card to a building. Often you have to both swipe your card and type a PIN code to open the door. If you don't require a PIN (as not having a passphrase on a SSH key), anyone who gets the card can enter the building.
16:41<Iguil>KeePass is just the way to safely store the PIN code/passphrase.
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17:06<uwotm8>What type of Key to generate?
17:07<nate>ED25519 if you have support for it probably, otherwise an RSA key >= 2048 bit strength
17:08<uwotm8>That's what I chose, at like 4k bits. How do I know if I have support? The fact that it shows up in the PuttyGen?
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17:10<nate>That would imply what your client (Putty/WinSCP) would support max yes, if it shows things like ed25519 or such, most servers/sshd software support them these days as well so long as they aren't old/outdated
17:11<nate>but yeah 4096 works fine too, probably wouldn't go past that for sake of processing overhead
17:11<uwotm8>I chose RSA but ED25519 is an option. Should I make another key in ED25519 and delete the old RSA?
17:16<uwotm8>RSA was the default radio button selected
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17:18<teemu>you'll be fine with RSA
17:19<uwotm8>I want "da best"
17:21<Peng_>Ed25519 is The Best.
17:21<Peng_>RSA is fine.
17:21<Peng_>You'll probably eventually encounter some crappy software that doesn't support Ed25519 and need to generate an RSA or ECDSA key then anyway.
17:21<Peng_>Using RSA makes life simpler.
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17:24<uwotm8>So since I already have RSA for the crap software I may encounter in the future, shouldn't I make an Ed25519 and use it until I run into said crapware?
17:25<teemu>I'd say just toss the RSA key and make a new one should you need it, the less keys you have lying around, the better
17:27<uwotm8>What curve fir Ed25519?
17:27<Peng_>uwotm8: Ed25519.
17:27<Peng_>uwotm8: Ed25519 specifies the curve by nature.
17:28<uwotm8>384? 521?
17:28<uwotm8>I am Confucius
17:28<gparent>I'm a big fan of Ed25519
17:29<uwotm8>Got it lol
17:29<Peng_>uwotm8: Ed25519 uses Ed25519.
17:42<uwotm8>Where is a safe place to store the pvt key?
17:43<uwotm8>Should I name it private-key as well? I'm not sure if that matters
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17:47<uwotm8>I'm gonna get hacked aren't I? Q_Q
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18:01<Schroeder>is Tiger back?
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18:09<uwotm8> - step 6 says I'm not permitted. Do I have to log in with root? Sudo isn't working
18:11<Peng_>Shat's step 6?
18:11<uwotm8>"The combination of commands shown below will create a .ssh directory in your home directory on your Linode, create a blank authorized_keys file inside, and set the access permissions. Enter the following commands at the prompt and press Enter:"
18:11<uwotm8>mkdir ~/.ssh; touch ~/.ssh/authorized_keys; chmod 700 ~/.ssh
18:12<Peng_>No. You can write to your own home directory.
18:13<uwotm8>My brain hurts
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18:14<uwotm8>I guess the directory was made but it says I can't touch or change permissions
18:15<Peng_>Why not.
18:15<uwotm8>No clue.
18:16<uwotm8>Do I need to add "sudo" before each statement?
18:17<uwotm8>sudo mkdir ~/.ssh; sudo touch ~/.ssh/authorized_keys; sudo chmod 700 ~/.ssh
18:17<Peng_>You can write to your own home directory.
18:17<Peng_>Making random stuff in your home directory owned by root would cause a mess.
18:18<uwotm8>So I do it under the user I created?
18:19<gparent>you do it under the user you want to connec tto
18:19<Peng_>~ refers to the current user's home directory. Don't try to do it wrong.
18:19<gparent>which, unless you messed up somewhere, has permissions to their own directory
18:22<uwotm8>I likely messed up somewhere even though I followed the directions
18:22<uwotm8>Idk wtf is going on at all.
18:22<uwotm8>The directory was created by this statement: mkdir ~/.ssh;
18:23<uwotm8>But the following statements I'm denied: touch ~/.ssh/authorized_keys; chmod 700 ~/.ssh
18:23<dzho>ls -ldh !
18:23<dzho>er, sorry, scratch that last
18:23<dzho>ls -ldh ~
18:23<dzho>you need to put that and some other stuff in a pastebin
18:24<dzho>so we can read the results of the commands
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18:31<uwotm8> mkdir: cannot create directory ‘/home/someuser/.ssh’: File exists touch: cannot touch '/home/someuser/.ssh/authorized_keys': Permission denied chmod: changing permissions of '/home/someuser/.ssh': Operation not permitted
18:37<uwotm8>s/own/home/ = no such file or directory
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18:37<uwotm8>Linux is brutal
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18:40<uwotm8>This shit makes me want to jump off a bridge
18:40<uwotm8>I had no idea what I was getting into
18:57<gparent>you should run the commands dzho told you
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18:59<uwotm8>For the first command I got: myusername
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19:01<uwotm8>drwxr-xr-x 4 myusername myusername 4.0K Mar 11 22:25 /home/myusername myusername@localhost:~$
19:01<uwotm8>^ second
19:13<uwotm8>Isn't that what I should be seeing?
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19:30<uwotm8>Pls help
19:33<uwotm8>Is setting up a VPS supposed to be hard?
19:34<gparent>you're meant to either be at ease with administrating a linux server yourself, or willing to learn alot
19:34<gparent>a lot*
19:36<uwotm8>I just want a domain to point to a document and have 0 experience in Linux or setting up VPS's.
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19:38<uwotm8>I thought I could just follow the guide without really knowing what's going on and get a bare bones, not very secure server in which I could upload docs to view in the browser. The information isn't really of any value so I don't care so much for security.
19:38<dzho>is your username really 'myusername'
19:38<uwotm8>I replaced my username w/ that
19:39<dzho>this is not the time to be making these sorts of substitutions because it's hard enough without having to translate on your end and having to guess what you really mean on our end
19:39<uwotm8>I just thought it would be easy to connect my domain name to some HTML docs but sheesh
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19:39<dzho>maybe you've heard or read about security breaches or about big parts of the Internet stopping working.
19:40<dzho>the way it happens is lots and lots and lots of machines set up by companies or people who think it all should be easy putting their stuff on the internet
19:41<dzho>it's like a kid who still has training wheels on their bike thinking they can, oh, I don't know, fly to Hong Kong and wandering out onto the tarmac at Heathrow and getting run over by an A380
19:41<dzho>I mean, they both have wheels, right
19:41<dzho>how hard could it be
19:42<uwotm8>so to set up a somewhat secure (I know nothing is secure) server and get my domain to point to the documents is how large of a learning curve?
19:43<uwotm8>i substituted the name because I thought it wouldn't be safe to say my actual username. idk man.
19:44<uwotm8>what do you need my actual name for?
19:44<armiller>Nobody cares what your actual name is. But if you are filtering/censoring the output you provide it makes it hard for anyone to help you
19:45<uwotm8>not my actual name, my username
19:45<uwotm8>and i dont know what you can do with that info. I didn't even know it was needed for you guys to figure out what's going on
19:46<armiller>If you knew what people were looking for in the output you gave them you probably wouldn't be asking for help
19:49<dzho>uwotm8: it is entirely possible this is not the service for you. you may have better luck with so-called "shared hosting" where someone takes care of most or all of the software installation and you just put your files up and tweak a few things.
19:49<dzho>this is also why facebook has made a f*ckton of money
19:50<uwotm8>I just cancelled my shared hosting because I'm forced to use PHPMyAdmin, I can't use NodeJS, etc.
19:51<dzho>ah, well
19:52<uwotm8>Had no idea what I was getting into with VPS hosting though. I just want to know if I will need to study like 2 hrs a day for a month or whatever it may be to have a semi-secure site.
19:52<dzho>I don't know how long it will take you.
19:52<dzho>I've been using Linux for about 20 years, web servers for longer, and I'm still way behind.
19:53<uwotm8>You say you're way behind yet has your security been compromised?
19:53<uwotm8>In behind in what aspect?
19:53<dzho>don't ask me to help install nodejs, for instance.
19:53<dzho>there is that one time someone got into quite a few machines at $EMPLOYER and they may have gotten into one of mine
19:54<dzho>we sent off a drive image from it to the forensics contractors but never heard squat back from them.
19:54<dzho>(mostly because I was running on PowerPC and with various chroots so I bet they got lost)
19:55<uwotm8>If that can happen to people 10,000x more well read on the subject than I, and since this is an entire profession in itself I am unsure if I have any business treading into VPS hosting.
19:57<dzho>0days can happen to anyone.
19:59<uwotm8>But would you send a kid on training wheels down a steep hill? Idk what I'm getting into
19:59<uwotm8>I just want to know if it will be a worthwhile investment of my time since I am so dang busy as it is
19:59<uwotm8>Or if I should just go the kiddie way and get shared hosting
20:00<dzho>these are impossible things to answer
20:02<uwotm8>I guess I'll get my money back. FML
20:02<uwotm8>Well, can't do that now
20:03<uwotm8>I really appreciate the help though, no sarcasm
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20:03<uwotm8>I'm just feeling like shit
20:04<uwotm8>So please excuse me
20:04<trelane>is longview supported on Fedora 27? I don't see a yum repo since Fedora 21, and the automatic script breaks
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20:43<phlux>Linode college basketball bracket tournament: winner gets a free month of service
20:43<phlux>Let's do it
20:43<Kniaz>всем првет
20:43<dzho>what's basketball
20:43<phlux>what's linode
20:43<Kniaz>наши есть?
20:44<millisa>Kniaz: most of us don't speak russian
20:45<dzho>or Ukrainian or whatever that is
20:45<dzho>millisa: then again, maybe you know what it is
20:45<Kniaz>только на баньте
20:45<millisa>google claims it is russian
20:46<millisa>then again, google said that was 'only on a bath', so who knows
20:46<Kniaz>только не баньте
20:46<dzho>that clears it right up
20:47<Kniaz>вы в курсе что скоро выборы президента?
20:47<millisa>if 2 years from now is 'soon'.
20:48<Kniaz>Zimsky: привет бро. откуда ты? я из Минска
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20:49<dzho>Belarus, homies
20:50<Kniaz>Беларусь? )))
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20:51<Kniaz>я из города героя Минска
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20:51<Kniaz>у меня есть два линода
20:51<Zimsky>Kniaz: джо имеет диарею
20:52<Kniaz>Zimsky: флаг ему
20:53<Kniaz>вы тут все хакеры или просто так
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20:54<Kniaz>на халяву один линод дайте
20:54<Zimsky>нет, они просто американцы
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20:55<dzho>oh, sadly not translated into our target language yet
20:56<Kniaz>Российские выборы кто будет хакерить?
20:56<millisa>Probably the Russians...
20:56<Zimsky>Kniaz: uh, мой русский плох
20:57<Zimsky>Kniaz: английский лучше
20:57<Kniaz>first of all I would like to understand if you guys are aware that the russian president is about to get elected
20:58<Kniaz>second of all... are you guys going to hack the russian servers or what?
20:58<Zimsky>you mean putin is going to be re-elected because there's no way he'd let anyone get the best of him
20:59<Kniaz>we want to blame all of the americans for hacking the russian elections
20:59<Zimsky>good thing I'm not american
20:59<millisa>I just checked with the other Americans. That's not the plan.
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21:00<Zimsky>that's just what the americans would say
21:01<Kniaz>Russian president elections are on march 17. are you american hackers going to do anything about this or what?
21:01<Zimsky>what do you want them to do
21:02<millisa>I think we had drinking scheduled for that day?
21:02<Zimsky>thought you had another shooting scheduled for that day
21:03<Eugene>No no no, I switched from Drinkin' to other things every day
21:03<millisa>no, definitely drinking and pouring green dye into a river.
21:04<Kniaz>sober up and hack the the Russian elections
21:04<Zimsky>but why
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21:05<Zimsky>Kniaz: kezimo will help you out
21:05<Kniaz>because america should also blame american hackers hacked russian elections just like they blamed russian hackers hacking american elections
21:05<armiller>Man I sure do love linux
21:06<Zimsky>no one loves linux
21:06<Zimsky>people like distros, but the kernel is a behemoth
21:06<Kniaz>windows is better than red hat
21:06<Zimsky>yes definitely
21:06<armiller>You're right my affair with Linux is a tumultuous on and off love story
21:07<armiller>But right now its on an upswing so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
21:07<Zimsky>armiller: enough
21:08<Kniaz>so are you american hackers going to hack the russian presidential elections or are you just going to stay quite or what?
21:09<Zimsky>they'll probably just stay quiet
21:09<Kniaz>only 5 days left till Putin is elected - again
21:09<Zimsky>don't worry, they have it covered
21:09<armiller>Kniaz: Be the hacker you want to see in the world
21:10<Kniaz>russiian hackers hacked the american presidential alectins but american hackers do not want to hack the russian presidential elections?
21:11<Zimsky>it's all good, don't worry
21:11<Kniaz>why the hell not
21:11<Zimsky>they'll get it sorted
21:12<Kniaz>we hope they do
21:13<Zimsky>best thing to do would be to sit down with a nice bowl of borscht and watch Doctor Zhivago
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21:22<sudowoodoer>Where do you find the public key?
21:23<Kniaz>sudowoodoer: seriously?
21:30<Kniaz>Zimsky: из какого ты города?
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21:32<Kniaz>это литва вроде?
21:37<kezimo>english only Kniaz
21:37<Zimsky>kezimo: 没有
21:38<Kniaz>вот не думал, что линод будет нас языком ограничивать бро
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21:43<kezimo>yall are a bunch of fookin commies?
21:45<Kniaz>not quite
21:45<Zimsky>kezimo: why would you say that?
21:45<Zimsky>that's quite rude
21:46<Kniaz>I think linode should not have language restrictions or barriers
21:47<Kniaz>obviously English is a primary international language
21:47<Zimsky>i think most people ignore kezimo anyway
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21:48<Kniaz>kezimo: hello??? - are you here?
21:50<Zimsky>anyway, it's probably that most people who talk in here are monolingual americans
21:52<Zimsky>that's just 1 in ascii
21:54<Kniaz>so you guys are aware of the Russian presidential elections or no? ))
21:55<Kniaz>probably not ...
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21:56<millisa>It's my third favorite band
21:57<Zimsky>when are the first two?
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22:00<Kniaz>Mr Prezident Putin is about to get elected for the fourth time. Obviously no one gives a damn
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22:04<kezimo>is linode's block storage system using CEPH?
22:04<kezimo>if not what storage infrastructure is it using?
22:05<Zimsky>i'd be surprised if they told you
22:05<Zimsky>they usually keep that to themselves
22:06<kezimo>its linode
22:06<Kniaz>kezimo: its using very good storange infra like raid 10 or some shit
22:06<kezimo>all their crap is probably open source
22:06<kezimo>ergo why they dont have windows VPS's
22:07<Zimsky>that apostrophe belongs elsewhere in that sentence
22:07<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
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22:10<Kniaz>so - you american hackers are going to hack russian presidential elections or no?
22:10<nate>... what russian elections? You mean the one where it's just putins name in all 3 slots? :P
22:11<Kniaz>... yes!
22:12<millisa>Ok. They just took a vote and decided 2nd Putin is the one that should win.
22:13<Kniaz>Mr President Putin is waiting for hack
22:15<Zimsky>navalny looked cool
22:15<Zimsky>TIL you can just declare the other candidates illegal
22:15<Woet>good morning friends
22:16<Woet>and Zimsky
22:16<Zimsky>it is not
22:16<Woet>its never a good morning if you're stuck being Zimsky
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22:21<Kniaz>Zimsky: откуда ты? из какого города?
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22:32<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Manolo Jimenez: If he was going to do something crazy then he could have taken the gun <>
22:39<Kniaz>make sure the russian elections are hacked
22:43<sudowoodoer>Refused our key?
22:45<Kniaz>ну так себе
22:46<Kniaz>кейкер тут? )
22:50<Zimsky>bhanks: lovely day
22:50<Zimsky>Kniaz: get everyone to vote for sobchak
22:52<Kniaz>Zimsky: yes indeed lovely day
22:53<Kniaz>ты кейкера знаешь?
22:53<Zimsky>you're better off going to rizon with that
22:53<Kniaz>ты кейкера знаешь?
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22:56<Kniaz>кристофор эйкера
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23:03<sudowoodoer>They refused "our" key lol. The hobitses
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23:04<Zimsky>i thought i was the cryptic and senseless one here
23:04<Zimsky>sudowoodoer: what do you mean?
23:05<sudowoodoer>Smeagol speaks to himself so when the terminal told me the server refused "our" key I immediately thought of him
23:08<sudowoodoer>Zimsky, can you help us
23:08<Zimsky>I doubt it
23:20<sudowoodoer>The public key is in the authorized_keys file under ~/.ssh/authorized_keys but I still get "The server refused our key" upon entering my username. Any ideas?
23:21<dwfreed>look at /var/log/auth.log
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23:23<sudowoodoer>Where is that supposed to exist?
23:24<Peng_>on the server
23:25<millisa>which distribution is it?
23:25<sudowoodoer>ubuntu 16.04
23:29<sudowoodoer>How do you see what's on the server?
23:29<millisa>ssh into it?
23:30<dwfreed>or lish
23:30<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled.
23:30<Peng_>sudowoodoer: How did you ediy ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
23:31<sudowoodoer>sudo nano ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
23:31<dwfreed>on the server?
23:31<sudowoodoer>I'm using Putty
23:32<dwfreed>so log into the server, either via password or lish, and look at /var/log/auth.log
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23:39<Sanjeev>My VPS IP is, hosted two website first one is "" and second is "" first website is working fine but the problem on the second one. When trying to access website without www then website redirected to "". So could you please provide me help why this is happening ?
23:40<millisa>Best guess - you don't have the name defined in your virtualhost config
23:40<Sanjeev>Currently I am using nginx
23:41<Sanjeev>So where it need to change?
23:41<millisa>In your server{} block, there's usually a line 'server_name' that you define what names you want that server block to apply to
23:41<millisa>See how it's got '' and ''?
23:44<Sanjeev>I ahve configured server block under site available
23:45<millisa>if you put the output of 'nginx -T' into a pastebin, we probably could spot the issue pretty quickly
23:47<sudowoodoer>I'm getting all sorts of authentication failures / failed passwords
23:47<dwfreed>look for the ones that are your login attempts
23:49<sudowoodoer>Uhhh is it normal to be getting authentication failures when you aren't attempting to log in?
23:49<millisa>welcome to the internet
23:50<millisa>(yes, there are non stop attempts on ssh ports)
23:50<sudowoodoer>I can't even find my login attempts in this pile of failed attempts from other people lol
23:50<zifnab>It's normal.
23:51<zifnab>I do not suggest allowing root password logins and setting roots password to password
23:51<zifnab>It's quite amusing how quickly the box starts serving malware and joining bothers
23:52<zifnab>My record is 6 minutes.
23:52<Sanjeev>Can you setup for me?
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23:53<sudowoodoer>How do I know which login is mine?
23:53<sudowoodoer>And why the server won't accept "our" key
23:54<millisa>it's the one that's coming from your IP, usually
23:58<sudowoodoer>I think this is it: pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure;
23:58<sudowoodoer>And there's a log key
23:59<millisa>does the rhost match your ip?
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