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---Logopened Wed Mar 14 00:00:46 2018
00:00<Woet>rip stephen hawking
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00:07<flan>Wtf nooooo
00:17<flan>Do I set reverse DNS ipv6 or ipv4? Only one at a time?
00:18<millisa>if you have both A and AAAA ready, it'll show both with a 'yes' button under the match found section. Do one, then do the other.
00:19<millisa>there's a pic of it here that shows when it has both
00:24<flan>I got thanks Millisa
00:24<flan>I got it*
00:27<flan>How do I SFTP into my server when I disabled root logins and require the authentication key? I keep getting kicked out O.o
00:28<millisa>as root?
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00:30<flan>Well I disabled the root logins. It says to in the guide. Here's the output from FileZilla when I try to login:
00:30<flan>Error: Disconnected: No supported authentication methods available (server sent: publickey) Error: Could not connect to server
00:31<millisa>filezilla has a section for adding in private keys in the settings
00:32<millisa>on mac it's under Filezilla->Settings, In the settings window it's under Connection->SFTP. I'm assuming it's similar in windows
00:33<millisa>looks like on windows its under 'Edit-Settings'
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00:59<flan>which chmod should i use to give myself permission to the www folder?
01:00<flan>meh server doesn't want my poor files
01:00<flan>wat do
01:00<flan>my files need a home
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01:36<flan>If you unzip a zip file filled with your entire website, and the output in the console ends.... is it still unzipping? I don't see the files in the folder yet and the zip file is still there in FileZilla
01:37<millisa>usually it doesn't return back to the prompt until it's done unzipping.
01:44<MrPPS>add a verbose flag?
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02:04<oleyeller>Can you get rid of the "index of /" page without renaming an html doc to "index.html"?
02:04<grawity>tell the httpd to use a different index file
02:05<grawity>or just to disable automatic indexing
02:05<grawity>(i.e. so that it shows "Forbidden" instead of listing files)
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02:38<oleyeller>Where are you supposed to put the .htaccess file? /var/www/html?
02:41<Woet>wherever you want it to apply to.
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02:52<zifnab>good use of my evening.
02:52<zifnab>punycodes suck
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03:10<oleyeller>How do you make redirect to
03:13<dwfreed>why not just make page.html your index file?
03:14<oleyeller>Do you have to rename it to do that?
03:17<oleyeller>#Alternate default index page DirectoryIndex newindex.html ???
03:17<oleyeller>It's not working for some reason, I have the .htaccess.txt file in my HTML folder
03:18<dwfreed>it's not working because the filename for htaccess is .htaccess, not .htaccess.txt
03:19<oleyeller>Lol, its not .txt on my desktop but w/e I love you. Thanks a ton my site is up and running now! Thanks to a lot of you actually.
03:20<Woet>no worries
03:20<Woet>and Windows hides known file extensions by default
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03:28<FluffyFoxeh>does explorer let you make a file starting with .?
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03:38<grawity>Explorer doesn't, but just about any app does
03:39<grawity>e.g. in Notepad or anything else, if you enter the filename in quotes (as ".htaccess") it'll use that name literally – won't append .txt either
03:40<FluffyFoxeh>I think the method I used was cmd
03:40<FluffyFoxeh>is touch a command on wincows?
03:40<FluffyFoxeh>(lol, wincows)
03:41<grawity>it's not
03:42<grawity>well it might be in powershell, they have a ton of unixish aliases
03:42<grawity>for creating a new file in cmd, `copy nul: .htaccess` or `echo foo > .htaccess` or `fsutil file createnew .htaccess 0` does the job though
03:42<FluffyFoxeh>what's the equivalent I may have used then
03:42<grawity>then again you can just rename an existing file
03:42<grawity>`ren htaccess.txt .htaccess`
03:43<FluffyFoxeh>I probably did that, it sounds the most intuitive
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03:43<grawity>speaking of intuitive,
03:43<FluffyFoxeh>heh, it's been about 6 years since I ran Apache on Windows
03:44<FluffyFoxeh>how odd
03:45<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Connectivity issue In Kali <>
03:46<FluffyFoxeh>the plus sign makes sense as explained but where the hell did the commas come from
03:48<grawity>they seem to be optional in this case
03:48<grawity>but the cmd.exe parser is known to be a bit peculiar in what argument separators it accepts
03:48<Woet>I use Windows for gaming since they have a monopoly
03:48<Woet>nothing else since it's garbage
03:48<grawity>e.g. "dir foo" vs "dir,foo"
03:49<FluffyFoxeh>Windows is odd
03:49<FluffyFoxeh>Woet: all the games I play work in Linux \o/
03:49<Woet>you must not play any decent games then
03:50<FluffyFoxeh>Factorio is certainly decent
03:50<grawity>my favourite game is "will this kernel upgrade break my machine"
03:50<Woet>i prefer games that actually use the hardware I bought
03:50<Woet>instead of games that look like they were made 20 years ago
03:50<FluffyFoxeh>looks aren't everything :p
03:51<grawity>but do you at least use a Windows version that wasn't made 20 years ago
03:51<FluffyFoxeh>you'd have to be using 9x for that to not be the case
03:51<FluffyFoxeh>or older
03:55<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • Postfix send email to hotmail and yahoo spam box directly. <>
03:57<Woet>another 6 year bump
03:57<Woet>i love it
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04:03<newbee>hi guys, i am new. how much do I need to pay for the public ip address get for my linux vm?
04:03<Woet>all Linodes already come with an IP address.
04:04<grawity>the first IPv4 address is free
04:04<newbee>ok thanks if i need 1 more?
04:04<grawity>most of the time you don't actually need a separate address
04:04<grawity>if you do, and if you can provide a good reason to support, I think it's still $1/month?
04:05<newbee>thank you very much!
04:05<grawity>it's per-linode
04:05<grawity>if you get two VMs, *each* will have a public address
04:05<newbee>does linode has ddos prevention? can I get a realtime report for the ddos attack that on my node?
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04:06<newbee>ok maybe i need a software solution on my linux to detect ddos i guess...
04:06<Woet>no, you don't
04:06<Woet>it's already too late by the time it hits your server
04:07<newbee>sorry i am new... so what can i do for ddos or even dos....
04:08<FluffyFoxeh>a beefy proxy
04:08<grawity>Woet: what, you mean too late to detect it?
04:09<Woet>newbee: get a provider that offers ddos protection.
04:09<Woet>grawity: Linux kernel can't keep up with any moderately sized DDoS
04:09<Woet>grawity: and that's assuming it doesn't exceed your bandwidth
04:09<grawity>they didn't say "a software solution to prevent ddos"
04:09<FluffyFoxeh>which it will
04:10<Woet>grawity: i mean, you usually detect it for a reason.
04:10<Woet>grawity: and even then it'll probably be too busy to actually notify you
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04:16<newbee>guys... one more question, if i store client credit card information on linode is it safe? does my node disk data visible to all linode engineer?
04:18<Woet>if you're asking that question you shouldn't be handling credit card information, let alone storing it.
04:19<newbee>ok what about bitcoin wallet?
04:19<newbee>can i put a bitcoin wallet inside linode?
04:19<Woet>if you're asking that question you shouldn't be handling cryptocurrencies either.
04:20<newbee>guess. you suggest to host private server as solution.. i am guessing
04:20<Woet>i suggest you learn about security before handling money digitally.
04:21<newbee>thank you. i am learning.. but dont know how...
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04:23<newbee>i guess what you are saying for linode good for none credential none financial data hosting...
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04:32<newbee>he was asking how to install windows in chinese...
04:32<wuyugen>Launch Graphical Web Console »
04:33<wuyugen>How to enter ‘|’
04:35<Woet>wuyugen: don't install Windows.
04:35<wuyugen>I saw a tutorial, click:Launch Graphical Web Console, and enter:wget -O- '' | dd of=/dev/sda
04:36<wuyugen>Woet:I need windows
04:36<Woet>wuyugen: why?
04:37<wuyugen>when I enter 'shift+\' come '>'
04:38<Woet>that doesn't sound like a reason why you need Windows
04:40<wuyugen>I need windows to run the software
04:40<Woet>ah, the software.
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04:40<Woet>why not go with a host that actually supports Windows?
04:42<wuyugen>have no windows in linode
04:42<linbot>It is possible to run Windows on !kvm Linodes. Here's a set of unofficial instructions:
04:43<rsdehart>wuyugen: it is possible, it's just not officially supported
04:43<rsdehart>so if, er, when you have problems, you're not assured of assistance
04:44<rsdehart>you'll have to pay Woet large sums of money to get him to help
04:45<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • PHP ... run as www-data or as user who owns the website? <>
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04:55<newbee>guys, one question about node ballencer... can i just loadballence to a tcp redirect to another none linode public ipaddress instead of private ip address inside linode?
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04:56<newbee>anyone experienced with node ballencer here?
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05:02<@nmelehan>newbee: you can only route traffic from a nodebalancer to a private IP
05:02<@nmelehan>not to a public IP, and not to a non-linode-hosted server
05:03<newbee>thank you. that is a very sad news for me, i need to loadballence to a private server outside linode
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05:04<@nmelehan>it's probably best to set up a load balancer of your own then, which you can definitely do
05:04<@nmelehan>there are open source software packages for that
05:04<newbee>oh,... you mean software to do tcp tunnel?
05:05<newbee>or software loadballencing?
05:05<ponas>haproxy can load balance TCP
05:06<@nmelehan>I have to head out. have a good night everyone
05:06<newbee>oh thanks ponas, you saved my day!!!
05:06<newbee>much appreciated
05:06<ponas>wow, great, np
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06:33<Zimsky>rsdehart: even if you were to pay Woet large sums of money, idk if he'd help
06:34<Zimsky>he'd probably just take the money and tell you to use linux
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06:51<rsdehart>Zimsky: I should have said "to even hope for help"
06:51<Zimsky>rsdehart: enough
06:52<rsdehart>Zimsky: enough
06:52<Zimsky>rsdehart: enough
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07:32<Vicky>Linode didn't create separate /boot partition while installing centos
07:32<grawity>does it have to?
07:32<Vicky>How can we resolve this issue after installing an OS?
07:32<@sjacobs>it's all on the same partition.
07:33<Vicky>We would need separate partiiton for it
07:33<grawity>did you install CentOS manually, or did you use the Linode image?
07:33<Vicky>linode image
07:33<grawity>then what do you need a separate /boot partition for?
07:33<@sjacobs>if you need seperate ones, you can create a new disk and add it to the configuration profile, then configure it.
07:33<Vicky>we have alraedy installed and moved datas
07:33<Vicky>but I would /boot separate parition
07:33<grawity>Linode images don't even use the kernel in /boot anyway
07:33<@jackley>Vicky: why do you feel you need /boot on a separate partition?
07:34<Vicky>It's required when moving machine to ESXI server
07:34<Vicky>How can we fix this issue?
07:36<Vicky>anyone help on this matter?
07:37<Vicky>It (/boot partition) should be available while using vm coverter
07:37<@jackley>Vicky: you'll need to create a new disk, mount that disk, move the contents of /boot/ to that new disk, and edit fstab so the kernel knows where to look for /boot.
07:38<Vicky>Thanks @jackley
07:38<Vicky>Any documentation for this procedure?
07:38<@jackley>Vicky: you may also need to install grub/grub2 on this new boot disk. I'm not really certain what you'll need to do with your config profile, most customers don't have /boot on a separate disk
07:39<@sjacobs>1. create new disk for boot. 2. add to config and boot. 3. mkfs.ext2 (or your choice) the disk. 4. edit the /etc/fstab 5. generate initramfs (dracut or similar) and grub-mkconfig
07:39<@sjacobs>that is off the top of my head. haven't tried. but should get most of the way there.
07:39<@jackley>Vicky: did you deploy CentOS 6 or 7? We don't have Linode docs on this, but there's likely something available online.
07:39<Vicky>centos 6
07:40<@jackley>Vicky: a quick google search landed me here ->
07:40<@sjacobs>^ you could always install it from centos sources and partition it how you would like from the start.
07:40<@jackley>ya that too
07:44<Vicky>Is this link help?
07:44<Vicky>for my requirement
07:45<@jackley>Vicky: that seems to line up with what you're trying to accomplish. You'll need to experiment a bit.
07:45<Vicky>Also, tell me how can we create a new additional disk in the linode VM
07:46<Vicky>Thanks @sjacobs and @jackley
07:46<Vicky>I will try on test VM
07:46<@sjacobs>that doc covers most everything related to disks and the configuration profiles used to control what you find in /dev
07:47<Vicky>and then will go for production
07:49<Vicky>Is it possible to revert the VM to old state If anything goes wrong while creating /boot partition? please confirm
07:49<Vicky>or if OS corrupted
07:49<@sjacobs>you can duplicate disks before you start changing things.
07:49<Vicky>ok thanks
07:49<@sjacobs>i'd start with smaller disks, so you have space to experiment. once you are comfortable, you can always resize a disk up.
07:49<@jackley>Vicky: yeah – i'd clone your disks to another Linode that you can safely mess around on
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08:22<trippeh> Linode Community Discussion | | Announcing Linode 12:39 < Vicky> centos 6
08:24<trippeh> Linode Community Discussion | | Announcing Linode Block Storage Volumes -
08:24<trippeh>12:37 < Vicky> It (/boot partition) should be available while using vm coverter
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08:40<trippeh>12:37 < Vicky> It (/boot partition) should be available while using vm coverter Linode Community Discussion | | Announcing Linode Block Storage Volumes -
08:40<trippeh>12:38 < Vicky> Any documentation for this procedure?
08:40<trippeh>12:38 <@jackley> Vicky: you may also need to install grub/grub2 on this new boot disk. I'm not really certain what you'll need to do with Linode Community Discussion | | Announcing Linode Block Storage Volumes -
08:40<trippeh>12:38 < Vicky> Any documentation for this procedure?
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10:55<rar_rar>Hi - was looking through the documentation for automated deployments. The Linode Docker documentation seemed to indicate that the Docker setup was cotainers inside Linode deployed images, not creating the images themselves. Is that right?
10:57<rar_rar>Is there a way to have a docker-like deployment of the images where you specify the commands to run on creating the Linode image rather than saving a completed image for deployment later?
10:58<smallclone>erm, no. that wouldn't be an image. you should just use a config management tool for that
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11:01<Harry>How is Linode for hosting WP?
11:02<smallclone>perfectly good
11:02<Harry>Anyone using LetsEncrypt?
11:02<rar_rar>When you say "a config mangement tool" are you referring to something like apt? E.g. just save the scripts and then run them on image loading?
11:02<smallclone>it's a performant linux vps
11:02<smallclone>rar_rar: i'm referring to something like ansible
11:03<Woet>Harry: Linode is very good at hosting software that runs on Linux.
11:03<Harry>Can you host multiple WP sites as Vhosts?
11:03<Woet>Harry: and yes, I believe LetsEncrypt has millions of users.
11:03<Woet>Harry: can you install multiple WP sites on a Linux server?
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11:04<Harry>Linode - any hidden fees?
11:05<Harry>Have prices remained stable? Any increases in the offing
11:05<smallclone>it's not a cryptocurrency yes the prices have remained stable
11:06<smallclone>if anything they've gone down, for the same amount of resources, over time
11:06<Harry>What does support cost - per incident? Contract?
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11:06<smallclone>Harry: all this information is on the website
11:06<Harry>looking at moving off GoDaddy
11:07<Woet>Harry: you ask a lot of questions. do you know what Linode sells?
11:07<Woet>they don't sell the same as GoDaddy (unless you have a VPS with them)
11:07<smallclone>Harry: the biggest thing you need to understand is that you're responsible for setting up everything yourself, typically via ssh, it requires some knowledge of linux administration
11:11<StephenR>does anyone know if Linode will allow a *private* IP address to float between nodes in the same DC?
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11:14<rar_rar>smallclone: Thanks - I just read the ansible/Linode docs on your site. I could probably get it to work. I was looking for something which handle that during deployment of new images w/out needing to do a bunch of config of a central management node like puppet/chef/ansible.
11:14<smallclone>like a stackscript
11:15<smallclone>i forgot about those. i guess you could use them
11:15<smallclone>i don't work for linode, btw. this is a community channel.
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11:16<rar_rar>smallclone: Stackcript looks like the right thing. Thanks! I'll look at that more.
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11:27<tafa2>smallclone: it's not a cryptocurrency yes the prices have remained stable <--- lol
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11:42<nate>eagle: Much like the last attempts they're probably going to get companies that flat out tell them to still get a warrant
11:42<nate>WEll most companies anyways
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14:21<smallclone>so is a "nanode" somehow different from the old $5 plan or is the distinction / name completely arbitrary?
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14:24<smallclone>because moving it to the bottom of the page seems like just a lame way of trying to fool people into buying a larger plan
14:32<millisa>it's not delineated differently on the pricing page
14:34<smallclone>millisa: no, it's not delineated there, only on the add a linode page:
14:34<millisa>(i saw)
14:34<millisa>(i liked saying 'nanode nanode nanode')
14:34<smallclone>i accidentally deployed a 2048 yesterday because it was in that spot, so i guess the move is working as intended
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14:45<Peng_>I don't think it's actually different?
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14:56<Demo>I noticed this too, definite marketing technique
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14:57<Demo>also saw incredible high ST time on one of the 1024s, so migrated it across.
14:58<smallclone>i don't really care for being upsold via arbitrary changes in the UX of a site i use almost every day
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15:02<Peng_>The cliche would be to highlight 2048 in green and label it MOST POPULAR
15:08<smallclone>right, not to bury it under the high mem plans
15:10<Peng_>I recently lost a few cents to [cloud company] because they changed the order of a drop-down box from "alphabetical" to "random lol". :(
15:11<smallclone>i'm not really mad about a couple of cents, it's just such a cheesy way to try to squeeze extra money out of people
15:12<Peng_>I'm totally mad about [other cloud company] though. :P
15:12<Peng_>The Linode thing is discombobulating
15:14<smallclone>i mean, in all fairness, i should be looking more closely at things i click
15:14<smallclone>but it's not exactly fun to have to remain on guard against unannounced UX changes that are designed to part you from your money
15:19<Demo>probably make a loss / or just break even on the 1024s tho
15:21<smallclone>i don't doubt that they're difficult to cash in on, even at the scale they probably sell them
15:22<millisa>i figured it was more a first step in prepping for a different support level for the 'cheap seats'
15:22<smallclone>but that is also discouraging: pushing people away from a plan that you only started offering a little over a year ago says to me that perhaps they can't sustain that plan
15:23<smallclone>millisa: i don't really see them doing that, though it's not a terrible idea
15:24<millisa>I've seen several folks mention in here they'd prefer them dropping the $5 systems altogether to get back to the prior response times. maybe this is the start of a compromise?
15:25<smallclone>i don't think those response times are ever coming back
15:25<smallclone>the $10 and $5 plans killed them.
15:26<millisa>So they need to shift the $10 one to the 'pinode' level between nanode and standard. and doing it on 314 is appropriate
15:26<smallclone>yeah if we give all of the linode plans different goofy names it might fix this problem
15:27<millisa>"I have an ubernode ultra and I want to install cpanel"
15:27<smallclone>really though, Linode provides free support that is way better than what you'd get at most VPS providers, and even the turnaround time isn't unreasonable, people got spoiled by how fast it used to be
15:27<millisa><-- not complaining.
15:28<Demo>i had a 35 minute response the other day, pretty quick imho
15:36<Peng_>millisa: $10 = Microde, $5 = Nanode? :D
15:37<Peng_>smallclone: I like being spoiled
15:42<millisa>I do kind like going metric
15:42<millisa>er kinda.
15:43<millisa>mostly because the next one up would be the millinode...
15:43<smallclone>maybe if you have to fill out a captcha to buy a $5 linode
16:04<synfinatic>$5 linodes should get the slow queue for support
16:15<smallclone>people would figure out ways around that quick
16:15<smallclone>like attaching one of their larger linodes to the ticket
16:15<smallclone>or just making a bigger linode to attach to the ticket
16:17<Peng_>Linode could have someone go through tickets to recategorize them to the Slow Lane or an Extra Slow Lane For Smart Alecks
16:18<smallclone>they do go through and identify high priority tickets, at least.
16:19<Peng_>So it's already implemented, just in a nice way instead of a cruel way
16:19<smallclone>they could be doing additional categorization now
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17:38<ozren>hey people, was wondering if anyone has experience working with the new API?
17:38<ozren>i'm pretty new to it
17:38<@mcintosh>sure, people do
17:38<@mcintosh>feel free to ask any questions (or share feedback)
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17:41<ozren>well, i'm just trying to create a new server with a stackscript but it doesn't seem to work
17:41<@mcintosh>what happens when you try?
17:42<ozren>i'm creating the instance, setting stackscript in create.disk, create.config and after I boot it nothing happens, no error
17:42<ozren>I mean, the server is deployed but the script doesn't seem to do anything
17:43<@mcintosh>can you share the API call you're sending? (with any sensitive info redacted)
17:43<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at and not in the channel
17:44<ozren>here you go :)
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17:50<@mcintosh>ah, you're using the Python wrapper for the new API
17:50<@mcintosh>it is possible that you're seeing a bug within that wrapper
17:52<ozren>ah okay, there's no error message i can report though
17:55<@mcintosh>can you open a ticket? it would help us investigate a bit more closely
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20:32<n00bee>Can nginx url rewrites (via try_files) be configured so they apply to php files also?
20:33<n00bee>e.g. I have this config for nginx+Laravel and it works: The only time it fails is if you request a nonexistent PHP file. In that case the request completely bypasses Laravel.
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21:34<Q3Man>Everything ok in fremont? just had a bunch of monitors trip and they are just now coming back up.
21:35<Zimsky>bless you
21:37<Q3Man>didn't grab one at the time... things are looking ok now route-wise
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22:27<pendekar_langit>i am new member for linode, what i can talk about service?
22:28<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
22:28<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
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22:29<pendekar_langit>what i can yearly payment?
22:34<@bhanks>we dont offer yearly payment- we bill monthly on the 1st of the month. however you can pre-load money to your account (account credit) that would cover the cost of a year of service, to avoid a charge each month.
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22:41<pendekar_langit>ok thank for you information
22:46<@bhanks>you're welcome pendekar_langit !
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22:58*rsdehart lobbies bhanks to pay his bill for him
23:01*bhanks adds $50 to rsdehart 's bill for nonsense
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23:14<rsdehart>bhanks: enough
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