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| 02:48 | <san> | team i have an urgent update needed for one my already submitted ticket |
| 02:49 | <millisa> | if it's urgent, give them a call |
| 02:49 | <san> | server is blocking some external ip's crawling data from our website |
| 02:50 | <grawity> | that sounds like a matter of regular sysadminning, not something Linode usually does for you? |
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| 03:10 | <nate> | san: Unless you have managed or professional that's not really in the scope of linode staff, like grawity said that would fall under your control or whoever you have as your sysadmin. Did you check the local firewall rules to see if it's listed there, and if so figure out how it got added to begin with? |
| 03:13 | <san> | ok sure let me check local firewall rule first |
| 03:13 | <san> | thanks for your support |
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| 03:36 | <Zimsky> | grawity: nonsense, they need to ensure the right scripts are +x |
| 03:36 | <Zimsky> | linode /must/ actively monitor this. |
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| 03:42 | <vINCENT_> | hi |
| 03:43 | <Zimsky> | hELLO |
| 03:52 | <rsdehart> | _ |
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| 03:53 | <FluffyFoxeh> | hEY zIMSKY |
| 03:53 | <san> | hi team |
| 03:53 | <FluffyFoxeh> | yO SAN |
| 03:54 | <san> | can anyone give an urgent priority for one of my support ticket |
| 03:54 | <san> | can i share the ticket number here? |
| 03:54 | <@bmartin> | Yes what is the ticket number |
| 03:55 | <Zimsky> | I thought all tickets were the same priority |
| 03:55 | <Zimsky> | what is this unjust favouritism |
| 03:55 | <@bmartin> | :( |
| 03:56 | <FluffyFoxeh> | If you get lucky and catch a staffer here you can get it looked at faster :p |
| 03:56 | <FluffyFoxeh> | seems reasonable to me |
| 03:56 | <san> | 10122684 - ticket number |
| 03:57 | <Zimsky> | whenever someone says "team" I think of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGFGD5pj03M |
| 03:57 | <@bmartin> | san we will take a look and see what we can do |
| 03:57 | <@bmartin> | that's what I was hoping that link would |
| 03:57 | <@bmartin> | if you can't work as a team you're all fired |
| 03:58 | <FluffyFoxeh> | There is no "I" in Linode |
| 03:58 | <Zimsky> | correct |
| 03:58 | <Zimsky> | there is "i" though |
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| 04:09 | <Zimsky> | gOODBYE_ |
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| 04:39 | <leonnn> | hi |
| 04:39 | <leonnn> | any staff here? |
| 04:40 | <leonnn> | how good is cpu of linode? |
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| 04:40 | <Ash_> | Hi - have a quick question about DNS Manager in Linode |
| 04:40 | <Ash_> | I can't find any costing information for it |
| 04:41 | <Ash_> | on the website |
| 04:41 | <@bmartin> | The DNS manager itself doesn't have a cost Ash_ |
| 04:41 | <@bmartin> | leonn I'm not certain what you're asking |
| 04:41 | <@bmartin> | leonnn ^ |
| 04:41 | <Ash_> | Right - so can I host any number of domains that we have purchased elsewhere? |
| 04:42 | <@bmartin> | that is correct |
| 04:42 | <Ash_> | Right - brilliant thanks. I wasn't sure about that you see and we actually pay our current hosting provider for both email and domain hosting |
| 04:42 | <@bmartin> | No problem |
| 04:43 | <leonnn> | I mean what's the frequency of the CPU core for a Linode 1GB plan? |
| 04:45 | <@bmartin> | Our fleet currently runs Intel Xeon Processors |
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| 04:47 | <@bmartin> | you can run cat /proc/cpuinfo from your Linode as well |
| 04:47 | <@bmartin> | anything beyond that is not information we would disclose. |
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| 05:47 | <JamesTK> | bmartin: even if you did, there's no point. |
| 05:47 | * | JamesTK hates it when people ask questions like tha |
| 05:59 | <Zimsky> | but JamesTK if the proc is 3.10GHz and not 3.12GHz that will SEVERELY AFFECT PERFORMANCE |
| 05:59 | <JamesTK> | lol |
| 06:00 | <@bmartin> | haha |
| 06:02 | <Zimsky> | the only useful thing from cpuinfo is probably flags |
| 06:03 | <Zimsky> | unless you're doing weird low level stuff |
| 06:03 | <Peng_> | And bugs~ |
| 06:03 | <Zimsky> | you're a bug |
| 06:03 | <Peng_> | And bogomips |
| 06:04 | <Zimsky> | idk it really depends what you're doing |
| 06:04 | <Zimsky> | bogomips is useless imo |
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| 11:18 | <Eugene> | Every day I'm Linodin' |
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| 11:34 | <@mcintosh> | !point Eugene |
| 11:34 | <linbot> | mcintosh: Point given to eugene. (54) (Biggest fan: jalter, total: 18) |
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| 13:18 | <FluffyFoxeh> | !point mcintosh |
| 13:18 | <linbot> | FluffyFoxeh: Point given to mcintosh. (30) |
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| 14:40 | <tafa2> | any cPanel adminstrators lurking? |
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| 14:40 | <millisa> | sometimes |
| 14:40 | <tafa2> | would appreciate feedback/advice on the following: https://forums.cpanel.net/threads/easyapache-4-profile-advice.624611/ |
| 14:41 | <tafa2> | I really thought I would have cracked cPanel in 1 weekend - bloody takes ages per major component (mail, web, SQL, etc...) at the moment |
| 14:42 | <tafa2> | got half a mind to write my own panel in bash |
| 14:44 | <@mcintosh> | you may want to consider asking on the new community site, as well: https://www.linode.com/community/questions/ |
| 14:45 | <tafa2> | 0o |
| 14:46 | <tafa2> | haven't seen that |
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| 14:52 | <tafa2> | @mcintosh done |
| 14:53 | <@mcintosh> | :) |
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| 15:30 | <nate> | tafa2: If I could avoid dealing with cPanel I would, unfortunately we need it at work and it's usually a frequent bane of our workshifts |
| 15:35 | <linbot> | New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Can't get reverse DNS to match on deploying a second website. <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15951&p=76212#p76212> |
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| 16:21 | <tafa2> | nate I've avoided for as long as I could |
| 16:21 | <tafa2> | but I've pretty much tried everything else |
| 16:21 | <tafa2> | customers know it and want to use it |
| 16:21 | <tafa2> | and now I gotta use it |
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| 18:56 | <linbot> | New news from forum: Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials • [TOP TIP] Useful cron jobs <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15952&p=76213#p76213> |
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| 20:37 | <zllovesuki> | hi everyone.... |
| 20:37 | <zllovesuki> | I'm pretty sure that I'm a total n00b but I can't seem to get the native ipv6 working |
| 20:41 | <Peng_> | It should work by default :( |
| 20:41 | <Peng_> | What's happening? |
| 20:51 | <waltman> | Even I was able to get it working, and I know nothing about ipv6! |
| 20:51 | <waltman> | define "not working" |
| 20:52 | <dzho> | aka "what sort of 'not working' is it doing?" |
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| 20:55 | <zllovesuki> | for starters: |
| 20:55 | <zllovesuki> | it does have an ip assigned via SLACC |
| 20:56 | <zllovesuki> | however, ping6 [insert anything ipv6] doesn't have anything |
| 20:56 | <zllovesuki> | iptables are all default allow |
| 20:56 | <zllovesuki> | accept_ra is 2 and privacy extension is disabled |
| 20:57 | <zllovesuki> | and ftw, SLAAC |
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| 22:13 | <rsdehart> | zllovesuki: SLAAC always makes me think of Sarlacc |
| 22:13 | <rsdehart> | and gives me anxiety about being digested for a thousand years |
| 22:13 | <zllovesuki> | *rawr* |
| 22:13 | <Peng_> | I'm told that's basically what reading the IPv6 RFCs is like, yes |
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| 23:04 | <Merri> | hi |
| 23:04 | <Merri> | AnyOne here? |
| 23:04 | <retro|blah> | !ask |
| 23:04 | <linbot> | If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/ |
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| 23:06 | <MrPPS> | in other words, yes |
| 23:06 | <zifnab> | i swear the new letsencrypt package contains a bitcoin miner |
| 23:07 | <zifnab> | "why do you stay at 100% CPU for half an hour" |
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| 23:08 | <zllovesuki> | weirdly though all other nodes' IPv6 work out of the box |
| 23:08 | <zllovesuki> | just not the one on the jp-2 |
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| 23:17 | <Merri> | hi |
| 23:17 | <Merri> | i'm need help |
| 23:18 | <Peng_> | zifnab: The EFF isn't *that* desperate |
| 23:18 | <Merri> | hi peng |
| 23:18 | <Merri> | how are u? |
| 23:19 | <Peng_> | As bad as usual. :D |
| 23:21 | <nate> | to be fair he did say "package" |
| 23:21 | <nate> | doesn't mean the package manager isn't |
| 23:21 | <nate> | :P |
| 23:21 | <Merri> | hhhh |
| 23:22 | <Merri> | i'm have one ask |
| 23:22 | <nate> | Ask away |
| 23:22 | <nate> | If we can answer we shall |
| 23:22 | <Merri> | i'm buy centos server |
| 23:22 | <Merri> | and have installed cpanel |
| 23:22 | <Merri> | and want more 2 ip adresses |
| 23:22 | <Merri> | for my vps |
| 23:23 | <MrPPS> | you can have multiple ipv6, but not multiple ipv4 |
| 23:23 | <MrPPS> | without a good technical justification (and that's pretty rare) |
| 23:23 | <MrPPS> | Merri: ^ |
| 23:24 | <Merri> | i'm have a good technical justification |
| 23:24 | <Merri> | do you have facebook? |
| 23:24 | <nate> | Not sure where I can possibly think facebook factors into good justification lol |
| 23:25 | <nate> | Might want to provide more context |
| 23:25 | <Merri> | We can talk in facebook? |
| 23:26 | <Woet> | i prefer tinder |
| 23:26 | <Woet> | for my sysadmin support needs |
| 23:26 | <Merri> | what |
| 23:26 | <nate> | Exactly what I'm thinking as I can't see why talking on facebook should be necessary lol |
| 23:27 | <retro|blah> | This line of inquiry is strange. |
| 23:27 | <nate> | Ultimately it's linode staff you need to talk to, via ticket, pretty sure they're not gonna talk on facebook though |
| 23:28 | <Merri> | oh |
| 23:28 | <Merri> | i see |
| 23:29 | <MrPPS> | !ipv4 |
| 23:29 | <MrPPS> | !v4 |
| 23:29 | <MrPPS> | hmm |
| 23:29 | <MrPPS> | can't remember the flag |
| 23:29 | <Peng_> | ips |
| 23:29 | <MrPPS> | !ips |
| 23:29 | <linbot> | Each Linode comes with 1 public IPv4 address and 1 public IPv6 address. Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1 per month, and require technical justification. A /64 or /56 of IPv6 can be routed to your Linode at no charge. |
| 23:29 | <MrPPS> | thanks Peng_ |
| 23:29 | <Merri> | but they say we can't add more ipv4's |
| 23:29 | <MrPPS> | !point Peng_ |
| 23:29 | <linbot> | MrPPS: Point given to peng_. (6) |
| 23:29 | <Peng_> | Merri: I'm curious, why do you need more IPs? |
| 23:30 | <Merri> | to offer dedicated ip with business plan |
| 23:30 | <Merri> | for my clients |
| 23:31 | <Peng_> | Why do your clients need more IPs? |
| 23:31 | <MrPPS> | SNI basically negates the need for dedicated IP's |
| 23:31 | <MrPPS> | when it comes to web hosting |
| 23:32 | <MrPPS> | (assuming that's what you're doing, because cpanel) |
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| 23:34 | <Merri> | yes |
| 23:34 | <Woet> | Merri: "to offer it" is not good technical justification |
| 23:34 | <Merri> | mmmm |
| 23:34 | <Merri> | okay what i'm can do? |
| 23:34 | <Woet> | Merri: host it on the same IP like a sane person? |
| 23:35 | <nate> | Merri: The same thing just about all websites have been doing for probably close to a decade now, use SNI |
| 23:35 | <Woet> | i doubt it's even for SSL |
| 23:36 | <Merri> | What is SNI? |
| 23:36 | <Woet> | Merri: sounds like a great thing to put into Google™ |
| 23:37 | <Woet> | Merri: as Peng_ already asked, why do your clients need a dedicated IP? |
| 23:37 | <MrPPS> | Merri: long story short, you used to need dedicated IP to have a valid cert. SNI allows for the proper cert to be negotiated based on hostname |
| 23:37 | <Merri> | for example |
| 23:37 | <MrPPS> | so dedicated IP is not required for proper SSL anymore |
| 23:37 | <Merri> | i'm offer shared plan |
| 23:37 | <Woet> | okay. |
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| 23:37 | <Merri> | with shared ip address |
| 23:37 | <Woet> | okay. |
| 23:38 | <Merri> | u understand me? |
| 23:38 | <MrPPS> | But why would a client *want* a dedicated IP address? What benefit does it provide them? Why is this a *feature* you are offering, if it doesn't provide anything useful? |
| 23:38 | <Woet> | yes, what is your answer? |
| 23:38 | <retro|blah> | u: No such nick/channel |
| 23:38 | <Woet> | you offer shared plans with shared IP addresses, which works perfectly fine. |
| 23:38 | <Woet> | so whats the issue? |
| 23:39 | <MrPPS> | Merri: Think of it this way - if I'm a client of yours, why would I buy a dedicated IP plan from you? |
| 23:39 | <Merri> | business plan |
| 23:39 | <Merri> | with dedicated server |
| 23:39 | <Woet> | so whats the issue? |
| 23:39 | <Merri> | i was offer that |
| 23:39 | <MrPPS> | If you're offering them a dedicated server, that's easy! |
| 23:39 | <MrPPS> | Create another Linode |
| 23:39 | <Merri> | using vultr |
| 23:40 | <MrPPS> | There you have your dedicated server + dedicated IP |
| 23:40 | <MrPPS> | easy done |
| 23:40 | <Merri> | but they have block smtp access |
| 23:40 | <MrPPS> | You don't need to request any extra IP's for an existing Linode |
| 23:40 | <MrPPS> | If you're offering a dedicated server, you just create a new linode for them :) problem solved! |
| 23:41 | <Merri> | hhhhh |
| 23:41 | * | Woet blinks |
| 23:41 | <Merri> | i'm will pay for cPanel key |
| 23:41 | <MrPPS> | That's not the problem at all |
| 23:41 | <Merri> | and cpanel plugins |
| 23:41 | <Woet> | Merri: if you sell a dedicated server, maybe you should actually give them a dedicated server? |
| 23:42 | <Merri> | not dedicated server just ip |
| 23:42 | <MrPPS> | Merri: are you saying you're just wanting a dedicated IP so you can make it *seem* like they're getting a dedicated server, when they're actually not? |
| 23:42 | <Woet> | Merri: WHY? |
| 23:42 | <Merri> | yes |
| 23:42 | <MrPPS> | That makes it sound like you're simply trying to deceive your clients for the sake of extra money |
| 23:42 | <Merri> | exactly |
| 23:42 | <MrPPS> | That seems like a poor justification for extra IP addresses |
| 23:43 | <Merri> | hhhhhhhh |
| 23:43 | <Merri> | oh man |
| 23:43 | <HoopyCat> | also it's gonna be a pain in the butt to load-balance all those IPs across your web servers |
| 23:43 | <Woet> | HoopyCat: what makes you think they have such a thing as load balancing? |
| 23:43 | <Woet> | i doubt they even have backups |
| 23:43 | <Merri> | i'm think i need go back with vultr |
| 23:43 | <MrPPS> | Merri: Long story short, if your primary reason for an IPv4 is deceiving your clients, you won't get the extra ipv4 with linode |
| 23:43 | <MrPPS> | so either go elsewhere, or, offer actual dedicated servers |
| 23:43 | <MrPPS> | :) |
| 23:44 | <Woet> | Merri: we've asked many times now, and you never answered. What is the TECHNICAL reason you NEED more than one IPv4 address? |
| 23:44 | <HoopyCat> | well, probably won't get one from linode |
| 23:44 | <HoopyCat> | but you could ask them |
| 23:44 | <MrPPS> | I guess it does depend on if the deception extends to linode support or not ;) |
| 23:45 | <Merri> | woet: i'm answered |
| 23:45 | <Woet> | Merri: no, you didn't. I said TECHNICAL reason |
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| 23:45 | <MrPPS> | Merri: I.e. "what can't you do right now that you absolutely need an extra ipv4 to do" |
| 23:46 | <MrPPS> | but related to technology, rather than business practices |
| 23:46 | <Merri> | is Good |
| 23:46 | <MrPPS> | "good" is not a technical reason |
| 23:46 | <Merri> | hhhhhh |
| 23:46 | <Merri> | and name servers |
| 23:47 | <MrPPS> | You can still host name servers on the same IP addresses |
| 23:47 | <retro|blah> | Even worse. |
| 23:47 | <Merri> | now i'm need to setup new name servers with same ip? |
| 23:47 | <MrPPS> | If you're hosting the nameservers on the same server, then yes, same IP |
| 23:47 | <Woet> | Merri: yes. |
| 23:47 | <MrPPS> | if your nameservers are on a different linode, then no - they get their own IP |
| 23:47 | <MrPPS> | but there's no reason you couldn't set up your nameservers on the same IP address |
| 23:48 | <Woet> | Merri: you know the reason nameservers need multiple IPs is to enforce redundancy right? |
| 23:48 | <Woet> | Merri: not to waste IPs by having two different IPs on the same server. |
| 23:48 | <Merri> | yes |
| 23:48 | <Merri> | Thanks for all |
| 23:48 | <Woet> | Merri: so why is "name servers" a technical reason? they should be on different servers. |
| 23:48 | <Merri> | i'm will do that with same ip |
| 23:48 | <Woet> | Merri: and every linode comes with it's own IPv4 address |
| 23:49 | <Merri> | Okay |
| 23:49 | <Merri> | Thank you. |
| 23:49 | <Woet> | you're welcome, good luck finding another way to scam people by wasting resources |
| 23:51 | <Merri> | i'm not scammer |
| 23:51 | <MrPPS> | You admitted to it above? |
| 23:51 | <zifnab> | Peng_: yeah, weird, new version took ~30min to get through the 'email/terms/share email' shit |
| 23:51 | <MrPPS> | You said you're offering them a dedicated server plan, but only giving them a dedicated IP address so it "seems" like they have a dedicated server? |
| 23:52 | <Merri> | -_- |
| 23:52 | <Merri> | you are crazy |
| 23:52 | <MrPPS> | Crazy to think that's scamming? |
| 23:52 | <Merri> | i'm not do this |
| 23:52 | <Merri> | i'm add offer in my website |
| 23:52 | <MrPPS> | Or 14:12 <MrPPS> That makes it sound like you're simply trying to deceive your clients for the sake of extra money |
| 23:52 | <MrPPS> | 14:12 <Merri> exactly |
| 23:53 | <Merri> | everyone have buy |
| 23:53 | <MrPPS> | ^ precisely you admitting that's what you're doing? |
| 23:53 | <Merri> | business plan |
| 23:53 | <Merri> | get a dedicated ip |
| 23:53 | <Merri> | not dedicated server |
| 23:53 | <Woet> | okay, why? |
| 23:53 | <Merri> | like hostgator |
| 23:53 | <MrPPS> | Okay, you said dedicated server earlier |
| 23:53 | <retro|blah> | hahahahahaha |
| 23:54 | <Merri> | they do this |
| 23:54 | <MrPPS> | But *why* do they do this? |
| 23:54 | <Merri> | you're lazy |
| 23:54 | <Woet> | yea, and I'm sure a bunch of other godawful overselling shitty webhosts offer it |
| 23:54 | <MrPPS> | What..... |
| 23:54 | <MrPPS> | How does any of this make us lazy? |
| 23:54 | <Woet> | that doesn't make it a good thing. |
| 23:54 | <Merri> | https://www.itmerri.com |
| 23:54 | <Merri> | see that |
| 23:55 | <MrPPS> | We're aware that people offer that |
| 23:55 | <MrPPS> | Do you see any technical reason why they offer that? |
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| 23:55 | <Merri> | Hostgator also offer Dedicated ip with business plan |
| 23:56 | <Merri> | no |
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| 23:56 | <Woet> | We're aware that people offer that |
| 23:56 | <Woet> | Do you see any technical reason why they offer that? |
| 23:56 | <Merri> | no |
| 23:56 | <Woet> | exactly |
| 23:56 | <MrPPS> | Then why would you want to offer that? |
| 23:57 | <Peng_> | zifnab: Was it certbot-auto? Compiling dependencies? On a toaster? |
| 23:57 | <zifnab> | no idea |
| 23:57 | <zifnab> | 8 cores, E3-1245s |
| 23:57 | <MrPPS> | Merri: Trying to appear like all the other crappy hosts that exist, just for the sake of it, is neither a good idea, nor a technical justification |
| 23:58 | <Peng_> | zifnab: Heh |
| 23:58 | <MrPPS> | Instead, find a way to stand out from the crowd; offer a good product, for example |
| 23:58 | <Peng_> | zifnab: It might not be multithreaded :D |
| 23:58 | <zifnab> | Peng_: may just be a weird latency thing, box is in germany |
| 23:58 | <Peng_> | zifnab: Do you have a billion certificates? Broken IPv6? |
| 23:58 | <zifnab> | nope, nope |
| 23:58 | <zifnab> | first cert on a clean hetzner box |
| 23:59 | <Merri> | MrPPs: Please i'm can get your facebook? for chat |
| 23:59 | <Peng_> | zifnab: PyPI uses a CDN |
| 23:59 | <MrPPS> | I'm not in the habit of giving out any personal contact information over IRC, regardless of whether or not I have facebook |
| 23:59 | <MrPPS> | But you're welcome to PM me on IRC |
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