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---Logopened Tue Mar 27 00:00:04 2018
00:02<HoopyCat>my partner got us matching t-shirts and it's the most wonderful thing ever. y'all should do it
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00:11<Zimsky>who is y'all?
00:12<HoopyCat>Peng_ and millisa and ... well, why not you too, Zimsky
00:14<Zimsky>this is 2018, everybody wears corsets now
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00:20<HoopyCat>Zimsky: goalssssss
00:21<Zimsky>unrelated, my cup holder is 5kg
00:21<Zimsky>it's really annoying to move
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00:23<Zimsky>but it's pretty much impossible to knock over my cup
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00:35<idealbat>Sup Guys
00:35<idealbat>just had a quick question about linode VPS
00:35<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
00:36<idealbat>do it allow (legal) adult contents (pornograpy)?
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00:36<millisa>Generally, if it's legal and you know how to do it, you can
00:36<millisa>Their TOS is here:
00:37<idealbat>thanks :)
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01:01<Zimsky>nobody cared who I was until I said !ask
01:04<dwfreed>don't forget 18 USC 2257
01:05<Zimsky>nah you can just sell the company to someone else later and let them take the blame
01:07<dwfreed>it doesn't work like that
01:07<Zimsky>it's a reference to silicon valley
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01:08<Zimsky>no shit it doesn't work like that
01:26<zifnab>note: when one decides to scrape emails from github, to send emails to, about a research project you're doing for university
01:26<zifnab>you should really have IRB at your university review it
01:26<zifnab>and if you don't, and they get a call from an american at 4pm their time asking if this was an approved project and "what the fuck you can't just psam people like that", you're going to have a bad day.
01:26<zifnab>(the future is a lovely place with very cheap cross-country calling)
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01:27<Sophira>I keep forgetting about this channel, heh.
01:28<Sophira>rsyracuse: Thanks for the pointer. :)
01:28<Zimsky>lucky you
01:30<zifnab>australians seem like wonderful people too
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01:30<Sophira>They do! But I'm actually not Australian. :) I live in the UK.
01:31<Zimsky>which country?
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01:35<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • application gratuite rencontre android <>
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02:43<sup1>Sup folks
02:44<sup1>Does linode's nodebalancers require nodes to be in the same region/datacenter?
02:44<sup1>Or can you have geographically separated nodes?
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03:04<sky_>is there any body here?
03:05<sup1>hello sky_
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03:05<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Oracle Training in marathahalli <>
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03:39<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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04:04*bmartin Linodes roughly 40 hours per week
04:05<FluffyFoxeh>and gets paid for it!
04:05<FluffyFoxeh>I don't get paid to Linode
04:05<FluffyFoxeh>I pay to Linode
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04:46<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • plan cul morlaix <> || Feature Request/Bug Report • abuse department contact? <>
04:56<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • abuse department contact? <>
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05:00<Woet>> having to post a topic asking how to contact abuse
05:00<Woet>and this is the "top tips" guy
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05:11<jollero>Does the standard plan restrict SMTP mail sending?
05:14<@bmartin>It does not.
05:15<Zimsky>as opposed to postal mail
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05:40<jollero>Great! I'm looking to separate the email server or one of my old sites.
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06:04<tanja84dk>I have a question about something that I cant get my head around. I'm personally running a mail server ( personal ) and when I check mxtoolbox then its saying that everything is fine and I'm not blacklisted anywhere. But I have noticed that I'm recieving emails now about that the ipv6 is blocked/blacklisted
06:05<tanja84dk>Does anyone know a site where I can check specificly the ipv6 to see where the address is blacklisted to try to find a answer to it
06:06<Zimsky>"about that the ipv6 is blocked" is kinda vague
06:06<Zimsky>who is it from?
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06:07<Zimsky>can they be contacted?
06:07<Zimsky>can they be bribed to fix it?
06:09<tanja84dk>Zimsky, just noticed the automated Mail Deamon mails with this in the header "Client host [my servers ipv6 address] blocked using"
06:09<tanja84dk>Zimsky, But I have to figure out if the linode ipv6 address also is blacklisted some where else
06:10<Zimsky> does RBL checks on a bunch of DNSBLs
06:10<Zimsky>maybe toss it in there
06:11<tanja84dk>thanks I will try there because when I test with with the fqdn name for the server then everything is green
06:11<Zimsky>does that only check smtp functionality?
06:12<Zimsky>blacklists are a different behemoth, but I think most of them allow you to request removal
06:12<Zimsky>some of them can be absolute chucklefucks when it comes to getting addresses removed though
06:13<tanja84dk>Zimsky, yes that link is to test if your main server is listed on any blacklist. But unfortunally it looks like its defaulting to only check ipv4 when there is both a ipv4 and ipv6 reccord
06:14<Zimsky>dnsbls are mostly ip4 anyway
06:14<tanja84dk>And thats why I actually havent noticed it before
06:14<Zimsky>so idk, contact spamhaus and tell them to sod off
06:15<tanja84dk>Or could it be that the ipv6 range the server is on have been abused ( just the same situation that there offen is issue doing whois lookup from linode servers )
06:15<Zimsky>in prod, it might not have any effect if it's just one blacklist
06:16<Zimsky>i assume you've checked your MTA isn't actually shovelling spam out
06:17<tanja84dk>just noticed it looks like its the same issue. Because spamhouse are saying when there is issue then they are blocking the /64 ipv6 range :/
06:17<tanja84dk>Zimsky, yes the MTA is fine there have not been any issuea ( having 24/7 monitoring on to catch it if there is some issues )
06:18<tanja84dk>guess I have to ask linode to change my ip to get around the issue
06:18<Zimsky>spamhaus has caused more problems than solved them imo
06:19<tanja84dk>Actually I have always liked them and is also using them myself to check the inbound mails and connections
06:21<tanja84dk>But yeah the sad part is when they block the /64 range as default when someone does something bad because then it hurts many people specially with the numbers of ipv6 addresses there is in a /64
06:26<tanja84dk>Zimsky, but thanks I have tried now to request a removal from the blacklist and then we have to see how it goes
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06:31<tanja84dk>Zimsky, But the funny part is actually that even google is totally happy with the ipv6 connection from my mail server. So I guess its maybe only were spamhaus there had a issue
06:32<Zimsky>that's what I was kind of saying but forgot to explicitly mention - it's just spamhaus, orgs like google don't care about blacklists like that
06:32<Zimsky>google has their own systems in place
06:33<Zimsky>anyway, outlook is usually the most problematic major email provider
06:34<tanja84dk>Yeah tell me about it. It took me over 8 month back is the days to get them to accept the dkim and spf
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06:37<tanja84dk>and if it wasnt for the prices at google for mail hosting then I had also moved the mail to google domain hosting
06:39<tanja84dk>or G Suite as the name is ( just noticed it )
06:43<Zimsky>but then your mail is subject to google's scrutiny
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06:45<tanja84dk>Well I use so many google products daily so I dont have a issue with the security at google
06:45<tanja84dk>I trust google more then I would trust companies like godaddy, bluehost or other providers
06:49<Zimsky>scrutiny, not security
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06:51<tanja84dk>ohh my bad. True but again if you have a Android then there could then also be a issue about google's scrutiny. And if you look for a Iphone then its Apples scrutiny. I guess in this day and age then its not posible to get around the big players
06:51<Zimsky>sure it is
06:52<grawity>iPhones probably don't let Apple scan the contents of your emails, unless it's @icloud.something in the first place
06:52<grawity>then again
06:52<Zimsky>it's not specific to mobile OSes
06:52<grawity>when people use all those fancy spam filters which contribute to Spamhaus, etc.
06:52<grawity>don't *those* scan all your mail centrally?
06:54<tanja84dk>grawity, no spamhaus and other blacklists work based on reports and its based on internal dns lists
06:55<grawity>and how are those reports produced
06:55<grawity>I'm sure I've seen more than one "cloud scanning" antispam service
06:55<tanja84dk>I have actually no idea tbh
06:55<Zimsky>collection of magic blue smoke
06:57<Zimsky>they put nanobots out into the air which analyse the smoke and transmit the data to the spamhaus satellites
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06:59<tanja84dk>grawity, I guess maybe this way "Anti-spam companies, and blacklist operators like Spamhaus, SORBS, and UCEPROTECT, maintain their own special, secret email addresses known as "spam traps". Anti-spammers purposefully advertise their spam trap addresses (for example, on web sites) so that spammers may incorporate them into their address books."
06:59<tanja84dk>so I guess throug honeypots in a way
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08:18<zeus_>hello everyone
08:18<zeus_>im a sysadmin. and i am faced with some questions about cloud
08:19<zeus_>and will love some simple straight to the point answers to them
08:19<@sjacobs>go ahead and ask. someone may be able to help.
08:20<zeus_>i already have ubuntu server running in my office with samba share protocol for my file share
08:21<zeus_>so my question is . if i buy a space on linode and install ubuntu server on it with samba
08:21<zeus_>how do my workers connect to the server and file shares
08:22<zeus_>anyone to guuide?
08:23<grawity>running SMB over plain Internet isn't exactly recommended – these days mainly due to security issues (only SMBv3 supports encryption, older protocols don't)
08:23<grawity>but also because the latency can become a bit annoying
08:23<grawity>not to mention, some ISPs outright block SMB connections over Internet, because lots of malware used to propagate through those
08:24<grawity>but if you still want to do that, then it's no different from local connections: you enter \\ipaddress or \\domain in the Windows file manager (or smb://domain on Linux) and that's it; it connects
08:25<grawity>running SMB over a VPN would solve the security issues, but ... there's no 5-word guide for setting that up
08:25<zeus_>so which file share do u suggest i use apart from smb
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08:27<Zimsky>depending on what purpose your 'file share' is for, you could just use https
08:28<Zimsky>albeit with a different set up
08:28<grawity>it's almost even less convenient though; you'd need WebDAV on top of https in order to be able to edit and save files
08:28<Zimsky>not webdav
08:29<Zimsky>if it's just for downloading stuff, just serve the files over http
08:29<grawity>yea I highly doubt it's just for downloading stuff
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08:30<Zimsky>did you ask?
08:31<Zimsky>people sometimes use weird things for otherwise simple purposes
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09:06<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • astrology capricorn daily forecast <>
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09:39<albanoob>Hello how can i update easly the cpus on my VM
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09:44<Zimsky>I don't think you update a cpu
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09:48<albanoob>Upgrade better
09:48<albanoob>I have a high load now on my vm and i need some more compute
09:48<albanoob>1--->4 cpu for instance
09:48<Zimsky>just upgrade the plan
09:49<Zimsky>you get more cores
09:49<Zimsky>however it's somewhat dependent on the application
09:50<albanoob><Zimsky> just upgrade the plan
09:50<albanoob>That is my question
09:50<albanoob>Quick guide somewhere
09:51<Zimsky>here, I googled it for you -
09:51<albanoob>Hahhah damm im sorry
09:51<albanoob>I will google next time myself
09:51<albanoob>Thanks Zimsky
09:52<Zimsky>don't thank me
09:52<Zimsky>tho really, the linode docs have a lot of info
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10:43<AlexMax>Is atlanta having issues? I'm getting some ridiculous ping times between servers
10:44<smallclone>AlexMax: looks ok to me..have you run mtr?
10:45<AlexMax>What is mtr supposed to tell me? I'm using the private network.
10:45<AlexMax>There are no hops
10:46<smallclone>well that's something you might have wanted to clarify
10:47<AlexMax>but yeah, I'm getting anywhere from 9ms to 49ms over the private network
10:47<smallclone>yeah that's an issue. most likely someone on one of your hosts is being DDoS'd bad enough to slow things down
10:47<smallclone>support: ^
10:47<@bmartin>Hey AlexMax can you open up a ticket and pass me the number
10:48<AlexMax>Maybe we're just using a lot of hardware :P
10:50<AlexMax>let me get a complete picture of ping rtt's
10:50<AlexMax>and i will
10:50<smallclone>anything above 1ms is already way too high, something is up
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11:04<AlexMax>bmartin: 10156600
11:05<@bmartin>Thank you
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11:06<AlexMax>Thank you ;)
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11:56<AlexMax>Apparently there's nothing wrong with the host I'm on
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11:57<AlexMax>This is bizarre. The server's CPU utilization is very low, and there is plenty of free memory available
11:57<AlexMax>yet the load average is 0.3/0.4ish
11:57<AlexMax>I suppose NFS is handled in kernel space
11:57<AlexMax>so you may not necessarily see any load from that
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12:40<FluffyFoxeh>Do you know what load average means? It's the average number of Running processes over the time period
12:40<FluffyFoxeh>Not the average CPU utilization
12:41<Peng_>Which is why if you set NFS on fire the load average can be thousands while you're using no CPU at all ;)
12:51*Zimsky sets Peng_ on fire
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13:07<AlexMax>FluffyFoxeh: I know it's not CPU usage per se
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13:08<dwfreed>FluffyFoxeh: technically it's the number of processes in the run queue, which includes things that want to run but can't because they're being pre-empted by a real-time priority process :)
13:08<FluffyFoxeh>dwfreed: ah, good catch
13:08<FluffyFoxeh>It also counts process in uninterruptible sleep
13:09<FluffyFoxeh>(D state)
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13:09<AlexMax>I also, very occasionally, get this error in my journal
13:09<AlexMax>nfsd: got error -32 when sending 24 bytes - shutting down socket
13:09<ericoc>i want some uninterrupted sleep
13:09<FluffyFoxeh>I like NFS a lot but I also hate it
13:10<AlexMax>no clue what -32 could even be
13:10<FluffyFoxeh>it will just hose your system if it goes down
13:10<AlexMax>"broken pipe"?
13:10<dwfreed>linbot: errno 32
13:10<linbot>dwfreed: EPIPE (#32): Broken pipe
13:10<FluffyFoxeh>Cool, I didn't know linbot could do that
13:11<AlexMax>I don't use `mount` directly
13:11<AlexMax>I use autofs
13:11<dwfreed>kernel convention is to return errors as -<errno constant>
13:11<AlexMax>dwfreed: Yeah, I knew there was probably some global error number type thing, but I couldn't remember what it was cause
13:13<AlexMax>anyway, broken pipe is when you write to a stream and the other end has hung up
13:13<AlexMax>that's not cool
13:16<AlexMax>linbot: errno 104
13:16<linbot>AlexMax: ECONNRESET (#104): Connection reset by peer
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13:21<craftyguy>hi folks, are public IPs assigned to linode systems static or dynamic?
13:22<craftyguy>documentation seems to imply it's static, but I just want to confirm
13:22<millisa>they last the time you have the linode provisioned.
13:22<millisa>get rid of the linode, you also got rid of the IP
13:22<dwfreed>you can get 1 IP from DHCP, but the IP will never change (unless you ask it to be or you move datacenters)
13:23<craftyguy>other VPS services call this out on their feature pages, it would probably be helpful for other potential customers like myself if you did the same :)
13:23<craftyguy>makes sense, thanks!
13:23<dwfreed>it wouldn't make sense to have a server with a dynamic IP
13:24*craftyguy has seen this
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13:34<AlexMax>To me, those error numbers speak to connection issues
13:35<AlexMax>....which makes perfect sense, given the private networking latency
13:35<AlexMax>we've only got 0.06 user%, which means there isn't anything going on in userland
13:36<AlexMax>system% is 0.68%, which makes sense since NFS lives in kernel space
13:37<AlexMax>iowait% oscellates between 0.00/0.01 and 0.5
13:37<AlexMax>steal% hovers around 6-7%, but I do notice that there was a spike this morning to 25%, which conecides when we were having the most problems with NFS
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13:38<Peng_>That's quite bad steal
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13:39<AlexMax>What, the 6-7? Or 25?
13:39<AlexMax>thank goodness for sar
13:40<linbot>New news from kernels: Latest 64 bit (4.15.12-x86_64-linode105) <> || Latest 32 bit (4.15.12-x86-linode124) <> || 4.15.13-x86-linode125 <> || 4.15.13-x86_64-linode106 <>
13:40<Peng_>Both, perhaps
13:41<AlexMax>I do wish htop was a little more specific about those CPU usage numbers
13:42<AlexMax>Oh, it can be, apparenty
13:43<AlexMax>ooo, blue bars
13:43<tanja84dk>Zimsky, are you onlinr?
13:47<tanja84dk>Peng_, Do you know if its posible to change the ipv6 address on linode? Because for some reason the ipv6 range I'm on is blocked by spamhaus on their sbl-xbl list. And its only the ipv6 there is blacklisted
13:48<tanja84dk>and I have tried to get the servers ip whitelisted on their site but its not working
13:50<dwfreed>what's your Linode's IPv6 address
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13:50<tanja84dk>dwfreed 2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:d941
13:51<Peng_>Spamhaus has terrible URLs
13:52<dwfreed>cause it double-encoded it
13:52<Peng_>Two more times than necessary...
13:52<tanja84dk>Peng_, true and as it says there blacklisted in SBLCSS
13:52<dwfreed>Peng_: interestingly, SBLCSS lists IPv6 by /64
13:53<tanja84dk>yeah and thats why they wont whitelist my server because the /64 is blacklisted
13:53<tanja84dk>where my ipv4 is fine and not blacklisted my any
13:54<tanja84dk>*by any
13:56<dwfreed>tried ?
13:57<dwfreed>tanja84dk: you could get a routed /64 for your mailserver, and have it use that
13:57<linbot>Each Linode comes with 1 public IPv4 address and 1 public IPv6 address. Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1 per month, and require technical justification. A /64 or /56 of IPv6 can be routed to your Linode at no charge.
13:57<dwfreed>linbot: help ipv6
13:57<linbot>dwfreed: (ipv6 <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo IPv6 is currently available in all six facilities! More info:".
13:58<dwfreed>wow that's old
13:58<tanja84dk>yes and got a automated responce that it would be done within 30 min and that is 6½ hours ago
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13:59<tanja84dk>Ang I still recieve automated responces ( Mailer-Deamon ) from servers there uses ipv6 and spamhaus that its brocked for SBLCSS
14:03<tanja84dk>And unfortunally I have never been able to get the Public IP Pools to work so I had to abbandon that back in the days where I wanted to have ipv6 over vpn
14:04<Peng_>Making a /64 work is easy
14:04<Peng_>Making a VPN work might be more difficult
14:07<tanja84dk>or would it be easier just to say that the server dont have any ipv6
14:08<tanja84dk>Peng_, and unfortunally no its not easy because even this guide make me scratch me head
14:08<DrJ>df -h
14:08<DrJ>wrong window
14:08<Ikaros>That's nice.
14:08<Ikaros>(you don't know how often I've done that, myself. lol)
14:09<DrJ>at least it wasn't a password
14:09<Ikaros>Heh. Thank goodness for that.
14:10<tanja84dk>Peng_, and also the tutorial there is saying for debian 7 - 9 but this is a debian 6 server
14:11<smallclone>well that's quite EOL
14:13<Peng_>It doesn't quite predate IPv6 though
14:14<tanja84dk>smallclone, well its also locked down really much and we are trying to get the software ported over to newer systems but unfortunally that takes alot of time
14:18<dwfreed>that guide was written after 6 stopped being a thing
14:18<dwfreed>it still works for 6, though
14:20<tanja84dk>dwfreed, but still even if the guide still works for debian 6 it still dont make sence for me
14:21<dwfreed>you put the IPv6 addresses you want to use in /etc/network/interfaces
14:21<dwfreed>you need to include your primary IPv6 address, and then any addresses from your routed /64 you want
14:23<tanja84dk>actually just remembered it wont work because I cant get rdns to a routed ipv6 that is only the automated ipv6
14:24<dwfreed>yes you can
14:25<dwfreed>you set the rDNS just like you do for your main IPv6 address
14:25<grawity>you can, but only through the old manager website, not yet through the new one
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14:25<tanja84dk>well when I click on rdns then its only showing the Public IPs and not from the Public IP Pools
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14:25<grawity>input your domain name first, it'll find the IP addresses
14:25<tanja84dk>I only use the old site because the new were to buggy
14:26<grawity>great, you should have no problems then.
14:27<tanja84dk>But well I guess still that I just are going to disable ipv6 because of the faults in linode
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14:36<AlexMax>Linode, being awesome, has offered to move the NFS server.
14:36<AlexMax>Just took them up on their offer.
14:37<AlexMax>Now to wait for support to get the message and schedule our migration...
14:54<Zimsky>tanja84dk: have you considered ignoring spamhaus' emails?
14:54<Zimsky>if email works as intended, then there shouldn't be a problem, right?
14:57<tanja84dk>Zimsky, well its not working as intended becaues just as a example the block list provider for fail2ban that I use is using spamhaus ( the only reason I noticed it ). So every mail the server is sending to them ( Fail2ban reports ) they are rejecting because of spamhaus
14:57<tanja84dk>That were the only reason that I found out the ipv6 range were on the spamhaus list
14:57<Woet>why are people still sending mails from shared re-used IP space and expecting good deliverability
14:58<Woet>most likely without SPF/DKIM too
14:58<Zimsky>where is the server sending fail2ban reports?
14:59<tanja84dk>Woet, my server has both dkim and spf there is validated
15:01<Peng_>Woet: Optimism?
15:01<Zimsky>woet, if you have alignment/spf/dkim/dmarc/etc right and it's not in bulk, then that /should/ work
15:01<Zimsky>notice there is emphasis on should
15:01<tanja84dk>Zimsky, the server it self are sending the reports automaticly when people are getting blokked ( ssh attemts, wrong mail password etc ) and the server is reporting it to the blocklist when there has been 5 failed attempt within 2 minutes
15:01<Peng_>Wait haven't there been like 3 critical exim cves since debian 6 died what are you running
15:02<Woet>why do you even want those emails
15:02<Woet>very confusing
15:02<Zimsky>tanja84dk: would it not then make sense that if you're sending f2b reports to spamhaus, spamhaus might think you're spamming them
15:02<tanja84dk>Zimsky, not when spamhaus is registering /64 ranges instead of the individual ip's
15:02<Zimsky>and subsequently put you on a blocklist?
15:02<tanja84dk>Zimsky, I'm not sending them to spamhaus
15:02<tanja84dk>I dont think you are reading what I'm writing
15:02<Zimsky>well, the blocklist then
15:03<Zimsky>perhaps I'm not
15:03<Zimsky>but if that were the case, I wouldn't be saying anything
15:03<tanja84dk>I'm sending them to there is the blocklist that I'm using and they are then reporting the illigal activity to the isp's of the ip's
15:04<Zimsky>/64s are so easy to get that some things just assume the offender has control over the entire /64 they're in
15:04<Zimsky>fwiw an ssh attempt isn't illegal
15:04<Zimsky>at least not in my legal system
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15:04<tanja84dk>but is validating emails with spamhaus in their mailserver so when the ipv6 range is on the spamhaus list then their server is rejecting the mail
15:05<Zimsky>well I dunno then
15:05<Zimsky>get linode to give you a fresh /64 or request removal from spamhaus
15:05<Zimsky>I defer to Woet
15:06<tanja84dk>I have also asked linode in a support ticket now to fix it from their end
15:06<Ikaros>The former, bad idea without solving the problem that caused it to happen in the first place, you'll just end up getting that /64 listed otherwise.
15:06<Woet>or just use a provider like mailgun/sendgrid/amazon ses if you want emails delivered
15:06<tanja84dk>or all my personal and work related servers will be moved to a more profesional provider
15:06<Zimsky>Ikaros: so get another /64
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15:07<Zimsky>it's not really linode's fault
15:07<Zimsky>in fact, it isn't at all
15:07<Peng_>Get a /56 and spam away
15:08<tanja84dk>actually it is specially when they know how spam lists work. So ether they should work together with them, or give people as standard a /64 to get around it
15:08<ericoc>Zimsky: imma ssh to you!!!
15:08*Ikaros sighs
15:08<Zimsky>joke's on you, I run telnet
15:08<ericoc>awww plan’s foiled
15:09<Zimsky>tanja84dk: blacklists like that hardly affect anything though
15:09<Zimsky>linode doesn't control them, and blacklist operators are usually crusty twats who don't care
15:09<Woet>Zimsky: you should become a DNSBL manager
15:10<Zimsky>I'm not even nearly crusty enough
15:10<Zimsky>it's more the type of thing I'd expect Ikaros to do
15:11<Woet>what about dwfreed? he could run a phishing blacklist
15:11<Ikaros>The point is, they could try to work with them all they want but they're (the blacklist operators) aren't inclined or required to cooperate if they really, truly don't want to. I mean if they wanted to they could sit there and claim every single block is a spam block.
15:11<Zimsky>that's basically what I just said
15:11<Ikaros>I mean, for example, Spamhaus could look at you and laugh.
15:11<Zimsky>that's basically what I just said
15:11<Ikaros>And you couldn't do anything about it
15:11<Ikaros>'cause that's just how they would be
15:11<Woet>that's basically what I just said
15:12<Zimsky>that's basically what I just said
15:12<Ikaros>You two shut up.
15:12<Zimsky>that's basically what I just said!
15:13<Zimsky>though earlier I did say <Zimsky> spamhaus has caused more problems than solved them imo
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15:16<Ikaros>tanja84dk: Not to sound mean but, this seems more to me like some lame attempt to fault Linode for something that isn't fully in their control. I mean sure you could get another /64, but what's to stop blacklist providers like Spamhaus deciding to list those too? Or even if Spamhaus delists the current /64 you have, what's to stop them from deciding to re-list it? You know what you should start
15:16<Ikaros>with - upgrading anything that's EOL. There shouldn't be any reason to run EOL software versions. None.
15:18<tanja84dk>muting Ikaros for going off topic on pursose to attack me directly
15:19<kenyon>tanja84dk is still trolling here huh
15:19<Zimsky>that isn't really what Ikaros is doing
15:19<Zimsky>and that isn't what tanja is doing
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15:20<AlexMax>Oh man
15:20<AlexMax>Something is messed up
15:20<Ikaros>Attack you? Hardly.
15:21<AlexMax>the transfer is taking a LOT longer than expected
15:21<Zimsky>AlexMax: don't talk about Ikaros like that
15:23<Ikaros>AlexMax pay him no mind
15:27<Ikaros>Anyway. Y'know it's bad etiquette to publically announce that you're ignoring/muting someone. And in tanja's case that just proves to me that they're refusing to accept the truth of the matter that both myself and others in this channel clearly outlined...perhaps because they did not want to accept any explanation from someone who disagrees with their belief.
15:28<Ikaros>Such behavior in certain other channels I'm in elsewhere (note: plural, as in multiple), in fact, actually earns you a ban - because it's considered completely unnecessary and hurtful.
15:28<Zimsky>be proud of it, Ikaros. the fact that someone has put you on ignore for something like this means you've gotten under their skin
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15:29<Ikaros>I have zero sympathy to those completely unwilling to accept the truth.
15:29<Zimsky>one's truth is another's fake news
15:29<smallclone>ugh what happened here
15:30<@bhanks>not a clue
15:30<Peng_>smallclone: IPv6
15:30<Zimsky>the precursor to Jonestown 2?
15:30*Ikaros sighs
15:30<Ikaros>Not how I wanted to spend my day tbh, having to try and set some moron straight.
15:30<Zimsky>Ikaros: Y'know it's bad etiquette to publically announce that you're sighing.
15:31<smallclone>just go to a more "professional" provider who will apparently magically ensure that your IPs for your woefully out of date and unsecure email server are never listed anywhere
15:31<Zimsky>bad case of blue smoke :/
15:32<Peng_>smallclone: Any provider that calls themselves "professional" probably doesn't support IPv6
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15:33<Zimsky>microsoft calls themselves professional and their mail stuff doesn't appear to support ipv6
15:35<Ikaros>ofc putting me on ignore is no easy task either. I could lose my current IPv4 lease for some reason which would disable my IPv6 tunnel (until I corrected the endpoint), which would force me to connect here with my IPv4...and of course the disconnect would cause me to use my alternate nick. So I might inadvertently bypass someone's ignore list without meaning to. Just saying >.>
15:36<AlexMax>Is it possible to stop a migration?
15:36<Zimsky>why are you making a big deal of it?
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15:37<smallclone>AlexMax: not easily. not easily at all, really. you could open a ticket.
15:38<Ikaros>Zimsky: I have nothing better to do. It's raining outside :(
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15:38<Zimsky>Ikaros: read about genetics
15:38<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • astrological signs in order by date <>
15:38<AlexMax>Well, I know I have no option to stop the migration. I was wondering if linode could.
15:38<AlexMax>Not that I want them to yet, but is the option open.
15:38<Peng_>Is it actively migrating nw, or is it jus scheduled?
15:39<AlexMax>actively migrating
15:39<Ikaros>Well if it's already on its way then...well...
15:39<Peng_>It'll probably be done by the time you explain it to someone on the phone..
15:39<AlexMax> I think not.
15:40<AlexMax>It's been 42 minutes and only is 14% done.
15:40<Peng_>How big is it!?
15:40<Peng_>Usually they transfer at like 1 Gbps
15:40<Ikaros>Oh. I see that's why he was asking.
15:40<Peng_>No shit!
15:40<Ikaros>Yeah that's gotta be one big Linode for that to take that long
15:41<AlexMax>This thing says it's only transferring at 11.6 megabytes per second
15:41<Ikaros>...that's slower than my upload.
15:41<Peng_>They don't *promise* that it will be fast, so people can't get disappointed, but usually it's faster than 1 Gbps.
15:42<Zimsky>so it's what, 200G?
15:43<Ikaros>Hm. I don't think the size is the sole issue though. Yeah, how big is this particular Linode?
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15:43<AlexMax>196352 MB is the disk size
15:43<Zimsky>ha my math is right
15:43<Ikaros>Wow. Good guess.
15:43<smallclone>where you're migrating to / from is probably the main factor
15:44<AlexMax>atlanta to atalanta
15:44<Zimsky>Ikaros: 14% done, and it's been 42 minutes at 11.6MB/s
15:44<smallclone>so you're resizing it?
15:44<Peng_>smallclone: No, they asked for a migration because performance sucked
15:44<smallclone>just migrating to rule out some host issue
15:44<Peng_>Apparently... performance really sucks
15:44<Ikaros>That's strange then
15:45<AlexMax>Yeah, I wonder if this is all connected
15:45<smallclone>welll this could be related to that whole "perfornace sucking" thing, yeah
15:45<Ikaros>There shouldn't be any reason it should be going THAT slow within the D
15:45<smallclone>yeah but that was also true of the pings you were seeing earlier.
15:45<AlexMax>I'm pinging support to ask
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15:45<smallclone>i would try to let it run out if you can
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15:46<Zimsky>don't let it run too far or you'll never see it again. That's what happened to charlie :(
15:46<smallclone>they *can* cancel them, but it takes an administrator to do it, or at least it did when i was there
15:47<AlexMax>I haven't asked anybody to cancel anything
15:47<Ikaros>I'm going to throw this keyboard out the damn window if that spacebar sticks on me one more frickin' time
15:47<AlexMax>for all I know, this could be a problem with the network and restarting it will be just as slow
15:48<AlexMax>might as well be 4 hours and not 4 hours and 40 minutes
15:50<Zimsky>RIP service uptime
15:53<Ikaros>Yeah I still maintain that a migration within the DC should never be that slow under normal conditions. AlexMax I'd probably say you were spot on when you pondered the idea of this all being related to the same issue.
15:55<AlexMax>Support says it's a "bit slower" than usual - they'll keep an eye on and and it might increase in speed soon.
15:56<Peng_>a bit!
15:56<Ikaros>I'd say more than "a bit"
15:56<Ikaros>Try "a lot"
15:56<AlexMax>I wonder if that's code for "Oh shit..."
15:56<Zimsky>so in other words, they don't know what it is, but they know it's weird
15:56<Zimsky>and someone gets to play around with the hosts now
15:56<Ikaros>AlexMax nah, lol. It's what Zimsky just said, tbh
15:58<Zimsky>pay me no mind, Ikaros
15:58<Ikaros>...and THAT came back to bite me in the ass. >.>
15:58<Zimsky>what else did you expect?
15:59<Ikaros>Nothing at all, I suppose
15:59<Zimsky>mostly depends if there's an opportunity while I still remember it
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16:26<relidy>I ran a clone (ATL -> ATL) last night at ~15MB/s. Took 35 minutes for a 30GB disk image. Another Linode cloned the same size disk at 102MB/s at the same time (different hosts).
16:29<Zimsky>el bizzare
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16:37<Ikaros>Mm. Seems I got the break in the rain I needed. I'm hungry. I want convenience store hot dog. Namely: 7-Eleven Big Bite. brb
16:39<Peng_>I've been thinking about resizing a node in Atlanta recently...
16:53<Shentino>Being a chiropractor is backbreaking work
16:54<relidy>!point Shentino
16:54<linbot>relidy: Point given to shentino. (1)
16:57<AlexMax>relidy: Different host as in different DC? Or different hosting company?
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16:58<relidy>Different VM host in the Linode Atlanta DC.
16:58<AlexMax>I hope to hell I didn't get moved to another bad host
17:00<AlexMax>something is rotten here
17:00<Peng_>It's probably really unlikey
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17:01<relidy>I was just moving things around after rebuilding the machine (to keep IPs, I just clone the new machine over top of the old one). I don't know which end was the bottleneck, if indeed that was the problem, but thankfully my network needs are really low on that server.
17:08<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • MySQL not running <>
17:16<Zimsky>maybe linode hates you?
17:28<AlexMax>well, hopefully, Linode figures out what exactly is going on - it's good to know that I'm not the only one affected
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18:04<SunSparc>Anyone else seeing network issues from Linode boxes to AWS S3?
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18:06<Peng_>I'm good
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18:11<AlexMax>SunSparc: What DC?
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18:38<SunSparc>Peng_: Thanks
18:38<SunSparc>AlexMax: Dallas
18:39<Peng_>I didn't check Dallas :D
18:39<SunSparc>Peng_: Ok :)
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19:10<tafa2>i hate how slow github downloads are
19:10<tafa2>downlading a release to my linode
19:10<tafa2>and im getting 115KB/s
19:10<SunSparc>I hate how slow S3 downloads are. :(
19:11<tafa2>oh shit SunSparc I didn't realise they used s3
19:11<SunSparc>Boom! Might be related to the problem I am having.
19:12<SunSparc>Good catch.
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19:22<Peng_>Needs more CDN?
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22:19<linbot>It vends! a banana
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22:23<waltman>Eugene: Are you Linodin' today?
22:24<HoopyCat>waltman: 03:39 < Eugene> Every day I'm Linodin'
22:24<waltman>HoopyCat: Thanks. Good to know!
22:25<Eugene>I was up late, so not during this sleep cycle. But I'm counting that one.
22:25<Eugene>Per "local calendar date" rules
22:26<waltman>Works for me.
22:27<Eugene>The scientist in me wonders what would happen if I stopped Linodin' for a few days. But my duty compels me to Linode.
22:27<waltman>There are some things mere mortals were not meant to know.
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22:40<HoopyCat>every day i'm procrastinatin'
22:41<Peng_>join the club
22:41<Peng_>later sometime
22:44<HoopyCat>turns out, fwiw, that 90% of things can just kinda be ignored and everything's fine
22:44<HoopyCat>actually tho that reminds me that i really should check my car insurance
22:47<HoopyCat>(update: yep, paid in full)
22:49<Peng_>Excellent! The oil will probably be fine another 500 miles though
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23:19<Zimsky>car insurance is a racket
23:28*dcraig gets rear ended by HoopyCat
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23:42<mr_su>ping " ... 64 bytes from ( icmp_seq=1 ttl=51 time=159 ms " ==> How can i remove the "", only display ip.
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23:44<nate>change the Reverse DNS in your linode manager for that linode? You can customize that. If you're trying to hide the fact it's a linode though, you really can't, the IP info itself will disclose it
23:48<Zimsky>`ping -n`
23:49<Zimsky>-n specifies to not do any reverse dns lookups
23:49<Zimsky>or something like that
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