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| 02:14 | <linbot> | New news from forum: General Discussion • modele lettre pour resilier ma mutuelle gratuit <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=16001&p=76279#p76279> |
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| 02:50 | <Woet> | dwfreed: help linbot is phishing my hotmail login |
| 03:16 | <@bmartin> | noooo |
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| 03:24 | <linbot> | New news from forum: General Discussion • Citibankonline Sign On <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=16003&p=76281#p76281> || General Discussion • habillage escalier pierre reconstituee <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=16002&p=76280#p76280> |
| 03:25 | <Woet> | dwfreed: help linbot is phishing my citibank login |
| 03:25 | <Woet> | bmartin: you're getting better |
| 03:25 | <dwfreed> | Woet: enough |
| 03:25 | <Woet> | Zimsky: enough |
| 03:25 | <@bmartin> | enough |
| 03:26 | <Woet> | bmartin: imagine if we had the technology to actually stop it from happening in the first place |
| 03:26 | <Woet> | instead of customer service having to waste their time removing it by hand for years |
| 03:27 | <Zimsky> | bmartin: enough |
| 03:32 | <Ikaros> | I should probably just disconnect when the weirdos come out at night. :x |
| 03:33 | <Woet> | Ikaros: enough |
| 03:33 | <@scrane> | bmartin: Enough |
| 03:33 | <Woet> | scrane: enough |
| 03:33 | <Zimsky> | Ikaros: enough |
| 03:34 | <abrining> | scrane enough |
| 03:34 | <@bmartin> | gjjansen enough |
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| 03:35 | <@gjjansen> | all: enough |
| 03:35 | <@bmartin> | linbot pls |
| 03:35 | <linbot> | enough |
| 03:36 | <Woet> | guys, that's enough |
| 03:36 | <Ikaros> | ...weirdos... |
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| 03:36 | <Woet> | wow |
| 03:36 | <@scrane> | I guess he had... |
| 03:36 | <@scrane> | enough |
| 03:36 | <Woet> | suspend their account |
| 03:36 | <abrining> | I can do that |
| 03:36 | <Woet> | thats enough toxicity to warrant it |
| 03:36 | <@scrane> | I will also give it detention. |
| 03:36 | <@bmartin> | this is the type of interactions that upset me |
| 03:37 | <Woet> | the linode code of conduct clearly says calling people weirdos is not alloewd |
| 03:37 | <Woet> | and frankly i've had enough |
| 03:37 | <@bmartin> | it's tiume for a change |
| 03:37 | <abrining> | Woet enough |
| 03:38 | -!- | mode/#linode [+o abrining] by ChanServ |
| 03:38 | <@abrining> | gjjansen ;) |
| 03:39 | <Woet> | abrining: Threats of violence, both physical and psychological |
| 03:39 | <Woet> | abrining: please don't +o in front of everyone |
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| 07:43 | <at> | my server is not connected |
| 07:43 | <at> | nithere SSH or webbrowsing |
| 07:44 | <@scrane> | What do you see when you attempt to ping it? |
| 07:44 | <@scrane> | Are you able to access the Linode via the Lish console? |
| 07:44 | <at> | server not responding |
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| 07:44 | <at> | sorry request time out |
| 07:45 | <@scrane> | What do you see when you attempt to open the Lish console? |
| 07:46 | <at> | lish console is open |
| 07:46 | <at> | and run netstat -plntu this |
| 07:47 | <at> | not show any ssh service running |
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| 07:51 | <Delta> | Hi. What safeguards can we employ vs a DOS attack? |
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| 07:52 | <@scrane> | Delta: We don't offer any, however you can use a DoS mitigation service like CloufFlare or Sucuri to obscure your IP address. |
| 07:53 | <Delta> | Is there any way linode could look into our traffic and confirm that's what is happening first? |
| 07:55 | <@jackley> | Delta: we do that for each DoS attack we detect |
| 07:56 | <Delta> | We put in a ticket. Our data jumped from 1mb to 150 and we crahsed |
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| 07:56 | <@jackley> | Delta: ticket number? |
| 07:56 | <rsdehart> | ffff |
| 07:57 | <rsdehart> | bah |
| 07:59 | <Delta> | 10165269 |
| 07:59 | <@bmartin> | Hey Delta I'm taking a look right now |
| 08:00 | <Delta> | Thanks |
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| 08:37 | <Delta> | Sorry! I got swamped. |
| 08:37 | <dzho> | Delta: you didn't miss anything here |
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| 08:42 | <Delta> | Was any thing found out? |
| 08:42 | <@jackley> | Delta: bmartin updated your ticket |
| 08:42 | <@scrane> | Delta: I believe you should have an update on the ticket. |
| 08:42 | <Woet> | scrane: enough |
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| 08:45 | <@scrane> | Woet: enoug |
| 08:45 | <@scrane> | h |
| 08:45 | <Woet> | scrane: enou |
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| 08:50 | <Delta> | Cheers |
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| 09:58 | <SAntos> | hi |
| 09:58 | <SAntos> | good morning |
| 09:58 | <SAntos> | I have a doubt |
| 09:59 | <Woet> | same |
| 09:59 | <SAntos> | In 1 Linode I can run how many masternode? |
| 10:00 | <smallclone> | Linode doesn't allow bitcoin mining any more if that's what you're referring to |
| 10:01 | <SAntos> | ok |
| 10:01 | <SAntos> | thanks |
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| 10:02 | <Woet> | but CPU mining is so lucrative |
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| 10:10 | <@gjjansen> | Woet: Makes you rich. |
| 10:10 | <Woet> | gjjansen: you presence makes me emotionally rich which is much more important. |
| 10:15 | <Woet> | your * |
| 10:16 | <@gjjansen> | genoeg |
| 10:17 | <Woet> | don't use words you can't pronounce |
| 10:18 | <@gjjansen> | Is that why no one uses your real name??? |
| 10:18 | <Woet> | :( |
| 10:18 | <@gjjansen> | Sorry, that was mean. |
| 10:18 | <Woet> | i didnt even get to pick it |
| 10:19 | <@gjjansen> | I understand. I can't get people to spell mine right when it's written in front of them. |
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| 10:22 | <Woet> | maybe you shouldn't have duplicated letters for no reason |
| 10:22 | <@gjjansen> | dang bruzzer |
| 10:23 | <Woet> | bmartin: help gjjansen is bullying me |
| 10:23 | <@bmartin> | BANNED |
| 10:24 | <Woet> | gjjansen: Deliberate misgendering. This includes deadnaming or persistently using a pronoun that does not correctly reflect a person’s gender identity. You must address people by the name they give you when not addressing them by their username or handle |
| 10:26 | <nyancat> | gjjansen: do you pronounce it |
| 10:26 | <nyancat> | "gij" |
| 10:26 | <@gjjansen> | My account has been removed from the platform. |
| 10:26 | <@gjjansen> | No, nyancat. That's just my alias :) |
| 10:27 | <nyancat> | ಠ_ಠ |
| 10:27 | <nyancat> | JuST An ALiAs |
| 10:27 | <@gjjansen> | My whole world is full of spongebob memes |
| 10:29 | <@bmartin> | You're welcome |
| 10:29 | <nyancat> | haha |
| 10:29 | <nyancat> | well fancy meeting you here on irc bmartin |
| 10:29 | <nyancat> | i take it you two are acquainted? |
| 10:29 | <Woet> | they're more than acquainted |
| 10:29 | <Woet> | they're on second base. |
| 10:29 | <@gjjansen> | I can hardly escape him. |
| 10:29 | <nyancat> | no? cool. let me introduce. this is <insert ridiculously hard to pronounce name here> |
| 10:30 | <Woet> | gjjansen: what else did you think the vault in the new office was for? |
| 10:30 | <Woet> | bmartin is very kinky. |
| 10:30 | <@bmartin> | like an old hose |
| 10:30 | <Woet> | ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
| 10:32 | <@bmartin> | ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
| 10:32 | <Woet> | ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ raise your dongers ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ |
| 10:33 | <@gjjansen> | That's gotta be against the community rules. |
| 10:33 | <Woet> | literally every conversation ever is |
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| 10:42 | <mikos> | hello |
| 10:42 | <@bmartin> | Hello mikos |
| 10:42 | <smallclone> | hi, feel free to ask your question |
| 10:43 | <mikos> | anyone from Linode support that can help we out with infrastracture related questions? |
| 10:43 | <mikos> | hi smallclone |
| 10:43 | <smallclone> | !ops |
| 10:43 | <linbot> | Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: https://www.linode.com/contact |
| 10:43 | <smallclone> | you're better off just asking, is the short answer |
| 10:43 | <mikos> | thanks |
| 10:43 | <smallclone> | there's a mix of people here, but most of us can probably help you |
| 10:46 | <mikos> | well my question is, i have several linodes, each of them have a specific service ( webserver, database, etc. ) they are all connected using vpn site to site to another linode acting as a gateway ( in and out ) , it is a good setup i can manage all sort of trafic and services, however this setup introduces some latencies wen accessing webpages ( tcp erros some time ) , is there a way to connecte them like they are on same lan, or something like aws or azu |
| 10:46 | <mikos> | or maybe you can suggest a complete different setup |
| 10:47 | <mikos> | i like Linode and been using it for long tome, so i dont wont to migrate to any other service, but i would realy like to remove this vpn connection and introduce something more scalable and without the overhead and latency |
| 10:48 | <Woet> | mikos: are you using the most expensive linode? |
| 10:49 | <mikos> | nop i have several ones , some are expensive others are not, but i cannot see the picture |
| 10:49 | <smallclone> | mikos: you could use the private network + firewall rules if they're all in the same datacenter, though really you would still really need some kind of encryption to be safe |
| 10:49 | <Woet> | mikos: so what is the point of having them on different servers? |
| 10:49 | <smallclone> | people used to use stunnel for that..but i think it kinda sucks. ymmv |
| 10:50 | <mikos> | @smallclone: yes i though about that, but still vpn based |
| 10:50 | <mikos> | @Woet: the point is scalability, managment, security, several things |
| 10:51 | <Woet> | mikos: yea, scalability once you reach the limit a single server can provide. |
| 10:51 | <Woet> | mikos: theres no point doing it if you aren't at or close to the limit. |
| 10:51 | <smallclone> | there are plenty of reasons |
| 10:51 | <mikos> | It is not resource my issue, i have alote of resources in my linodes, however the setup does not feel buletproof and proffesional to host several websites |
| 10:52 | <mikos> | @smallclone: yes there are |
| 10:52 | <Woet> | mikos: anyways, if you insist doing it this way, SSH tunnel adds very little overhead. |
| 10:53 | <smallclone> | yeah it'll be less than a full blown vpn |
| 10:53 | <mikos> | @Woet: tried that, it is difficult to manage and maintain proper connectivity, VPN has provided itself as a better option the SSH tunneling |
| 10:53 | <Woet> | mikos: autossh takes care of both. |
| 10:54 | <@gjjansen> | The VPN will always come with more overhead. |
| 10:54 | <Woet> | management and connectivity will be identical, not sure why you're saying otherwise |
| 10:55 | <mikos> | using vpn i can benefit from interface based firewall rules, i use PFsense as the gateway, so from its point of view it sees every connected host as a lan host, hence i can logically consider it as a lan and mix and match rules, this is 1 of the many pros agains ssh |
| 10:55 | <Woet> | sounds very much overly complicated |
| 10:59 | <mikos> | well consider you have a gateway with multiple wan interfaces, 1 is for vpn, witch handles incomming vpn connection from the servers, and assigns lan ip addresses and creates interfaces for them, doing so give me the ability to route traffic from and to the connected servers out of other wan interfaces on the gateway, and apply rules for them since the gateway considers them as almost directly attached, also i can apply rules for them talking to each othe |
| 10:59 | <mikos> | consider it as several virtual machines on the same host, connected through private virtual lan interface |
| 10:59 | <Woet> | sounds like something management would be impressed by indeed |
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| 11:00 | <mikos> | this gives me better security and control over traffic, for example now i am introducing another gateway, which will be a redundant one for more expensive clients websites that needs dfferent services |
| 11:01 | <Woet> | need more buzzwords |
| 11:01 | <mikos> | @Woet: i looked at the Linode managed services, they must use something similar however i would like to manage it myself since this is both a production and a testing inviorment |
| 11:01 | <smallclone> | it sounds like you're pretty comfortable with what you have |
| 11:01 | <smallclone> | you just want it to be faster |
| 11:01 | <smallclone> | i don't think anyone is going to have an answer you want to hear |
| 11:02 | <mikos> | @smallclone: yes, i also want it to be following a standard, cz i am sure it does not now "D |
| 11:02 | <mikos> | so what about you guys, how are your Linode invoirment looks like |
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| 11:03 | <mikos> | maybe i can get some ideas, for example of someone want to host a website or multiple websites, how do you implement it? iptable rules on same linode? |
| 11:05 | <Woet> | i put it on the same server because I don't make my life difficult for the sake of it |
| 11:05 | <Woet> | but i guess thats not what you want to hear |
| 11:07 | <mikos> | @Woet: i started with this setup, then got into issues when having more then 10 clients websites, different services, the management of iptable rules got me exausted, especialy wen testing something, i would need to bring a service down |
| 11:08 | <Woet> | mikos: you can just add multiple servers running the same stack and separate the websites. |
| 11:08 | <Woet> | mikos: just like you can have a development server with the same stack |
| 11:08 | <Woet> | mikos: and use something like CSF to make iptables easier |
| 11:08 | <mikos> | Linode is greate, the control panel features are awesome, but i think they need to work on something to interconnect hosts behind the scenes, so it will be semmless for us devs |
| 11:09 | <mikos> | exactly, but how to better interconnect them and route traffic betwwen them the right way, not vpn or ssh, this is the trick |
| 11:10 | <Woet> | why do they need to be interconnected? |
| 11:11 | <mikos> | cause the webserver need to talk with the database server and also to the syslog server, and as a best practice they should talk using privat encrypted chanels, which services is not exposed to the outside world |
| 11:11 | <Woet> | as I've been saying, put them on the same server. |
| 11:12 | <Woet> | add more servers which also run their own web and database server if you need to add more sites |
| 11:12 | <Woet> | you'll only run into issues when a single website needs more than a $960/month server |
| 11:12 | <mikos> | @Woet, i can do that but what if you have different service requirment for apache then you do for mysql |
| 11:12 | <Woet> | at which point you want it to be separated from the rest anyways |
| 11:12 | <Woet> | huh? |
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| 11:14 | <mikos> | yes, i have a custom kernel built for apache vps, and another custom kernel built for mysql, and another for syslog |
| 11:14 | <smallclone> | oh geez |
| 11:14 | <Woet> | ... |
| 11:15 | * | Woet passes out |
| 11:15 | <mikos> | yes as i said, tried all possible scenarios, this is why my question was, better interconnectivity features :D |
| 11:15 | <Woet> | the alternative being doing things like a human being |
| 11:15 | <smallclone> | i highly doubt the performance bump from some custom kernel outweighs the added slowness of using a vpn |
| 11:16 | <Woet> | i think having a custom kernel for a syslog server is grounds to legally claim insanity |
| 11:16 | <Woet> | check with your lawyer tho |
| 11:16 | <mikos> | l@smallclone: maby your right, but even so, migrating to this setup is not possible, since you also need a proper gateway to manage traffic and security, and you cannot rely on the same server to perform these |
| 11:17 | <smallclone> | if you aren't separating everything out you don't need a gateway |
| 11:17 | <mikos> | @Woet: hehe , you need to have custom kernel for everything production based, i learned that |
| 11:18 | * | Woet stares into the distance |
| 11:18 | <mikos> | @smallclone: how would you you implement security, policy based routing, IPS and other stuff then? |
| 11:19 | <smallclone> | i'm still not clear why you need all that for a web server |
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| 11:20 | <mikos> | @smallclone: aside from the webserver, there is a storage server, a hosting platform, exchange servers ( with dns and DC ) that are hosted on rackspace |
| 11:21 | <mikos> | which needs to be accessible from the hosting control pannel of the client, which lives on the webserver itself |
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| 11:21 | <smallclone> | this is all pretty heavily engineered..like i said before: i don't think you're going to get an answer you want to hear. |
| 11:22 | <mikos> | @smallclone: but i think you are right, i could merge the webserver and database server together , but still issue persists |
| 11:23 | <mikos> | Thank you for your input and help |
| 11:24 | <smallclone> | if you put the web server and db on the same node, just let users hit that node directly for web traffic, don't have them going through your whole gateway thing |
| 11:24 | <smallclone> | for web traffic specifically |
| 11:24 | <mikos> | yes this reduces the overhead, for the webserver on the same node at least |
| 11:25 | <smallclone> | yeah, it would get rid of the website slowness issue, but you can still have all your like, LAN stuff going on in the background |
| 11:25 | <smallclone> | for your client panel and whatnot |
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| 11:28 | <mikos> | yes i think this is the logical setup, however still need to figure out a way to tap into the dev database and work seperately without interfering with the webtraffic, as if they are on the same server, client websites will be much faster, however my work will propapbly slow them down espiaccly when db backup starts, and again this introduces another problem when needing to switch db server for maintenance purposes, i would then need to manually change th |
| 11:28 | <mikos> | rather then just switching the route through teh gateway |
| 11:31 | <Woet> | i'm not sure what gives me a bigger headache, the consistent typos, the long wrapping sentences or the level of over-complication |
| 11:34 | <mikos> | @Woet: well you get the picture i guess, i am russian, so typos are a must :D |
| 11:35 | <Woet> | you're very much above average then |
| 11:35 | <Woet> | most russians i know are only capable of saying cyka blyat rush b |
| 11:36 | <mikos> | @Woet: well here you go, you know some :D |
| 11:36 | <mikos> | @Woet: anyways, thanks for the input, and happy easter |
| 11:37 | <Woet> | is this the part where i throw a tantrum complaining about the fact i don't celebrate easter? |
| 11:37 | <Woet> | since its 2018 and all |
| 11:38 | <mikos> | Well what i meant is Happy Easter for the community, for you happy day |
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| 11:38 | <Woet> | приятного вечера to you too |
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| 12:26 | <Eugene> | Every day I'm Linodin' |
| 12:27 | <Woet> | Eugene: fake news |
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| 12:51 | <mdchaney> | Anyone seeing issues in NJ? I have a linode that is up and accessible through lish, but routing is totally hosed. It can't get to the world and the world can't get to it. |
| 12:54 | <grawity> | ipv4, ipv6, or both? |
| 12:55 | <mdchaney> | ipv4 |
| 12:58 | <mdchaney> | ipv6 is also broken |
| 13:09 | <mdchaney> | Weird, fixed by a reboot. |
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| 18:10 | <arooni> | perhaps offtopic but here goes |
| 18:11 | <arooni> | i'd like to move an ancient rails 2.1.0 with ruby 1.8.7 app from ubuntu 14.04 ==> ubuntu 16.04 server. ... 1) anything to watch out for? 2) can i simply run rvm on the 16.04 box to put the version of ruby the old app is? 3) on the new box i'm running nginx and php (i know sad)... on the 14.04 server i'm running passenger phusion... what's the best way of serving this site? |
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| 20:34 | <Peng_> | and on his farm he had a cow |
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