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01:37 | <Zimsky> | <Ikaros> ...weirdos... |
01:37 | <Zimsky> | that's just rude |
01:37 | <Zimsky> | Ikaros: in this place, you're the weirdo |
02:42 | <Ikaros> | Perhaps in your view. I only express my view. My mind functions very differently than, say, you and a few others in here for example. |
02:43 | <Zimsky> | nah you're strange af |
02:44 | <Ikaros> | Why, because I'm the all-business type of person who has a near-zero sense of humor? |
02:44 | <Zimsky> | yes |
02:47 | <Woet> | Ikaros: enough |
02:47 | <Ikaros> | Well that's just how my personality is. It's how I've always been. Online and offline. |
02:47 | <Zimsky> | Ikaros: enough |
02:48 | <@scrane> | Zimsky: Enough |
02:50 | <Ikaros> | I mean joking around with me....you might as well be talking to a wall for the most part. Even on occasion too, I sometimes end up misinterpreting an attempt at humor as serious and then that results in a temper flare when I feel it's offensive or insulting in some way. |
02:51 | <Zimsky> | except the wall talks back to you and then it's just terrifying |
02:51 | <@scrane> | I will have you know I have had very interesting and productive conversations with walls. |
02:51 | <Zimsky> | I don't want the wall to talk to me |
02:52 | <Ikaros> | Anyway, shifting gears. I found out why I seriously dislike managing upgrading the likes of Apache through distro package management tools. Aside from the stupid filesystem layout these packages are in (esp. for Debian/Ubuntu), which I can deal with eventually...sometimes stuff gets flipped around to defaults when I didn't ask it to be. |
02:53 | <Zimsky> | Woet: why is the wall using apache? |
02:53 | <dwfreed> | This is why I like portage's config protection mechanism |
02:54 | <dwfreed> | config protection means that when a package installs an updated config file, it will not replace your existing one |
02:54 | <Ikaros> | Like with what just happened. Running an upgrade to the latest version...and the maintainer's script is apparently screwed up because it somehow defaulted my installation BACK to the prefork MPM, and on top of that apparently didn't do anything with the MPM settings. The result: Soon after dpkg (which ofc is run by the apt tools during the process) gets done dealing with Apache, it bombs with |
02:54 | <Ikaros> | "Resource temporarily unavailable", same with any attempt to run any process thereafter. |
02:54 | <dwfreed> | apt is just a frontend to dpkg |
02:54 | <Ikaros> | What I came to find was... |
02:55 | <Ikaros> | Apache was trying to fork itself using settings that were meant for the threaded MPM I was using before |
02:56 | <Ikaros> | So basically the limits were being hit, and I couldn't kill any of them off normally because there was no room to run any processes, all resulting in the same error message. I had to use bash's builtin exec to run killall. |
03:02 | <Ikaros> | Almost curious to see just exactly how many times it tried to fork, lol. Given my MPM settings that are USUALLY in effect provided the correct MPM is loaded...don't even want to think about it after all, lol |
03:29 | <Zimsky> | lol |
03:32 | <Woet> | Ikaros: have you ever tried sleeping in custard? |
03:34 | <Zimsky> | ^ I too wish to know the answer to this |
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04:14 | <mr_su> | My vps ubuntu 16.04 on Terminal exec "apt-get upgrade -y" => "137 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. E: Failed to fetch http://mirrors.linode.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/lshw/lshw_02.17-1.1ubuntu3.4_amd64.deb 404 Not Found" |
04:16 | <mr_su> | Why "http://mirrors.linode.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/lshw/lshw_02.17-1.1ubuntu3.4_amd64.deb 404 Not Found" |
04:17 | <Peng_> | Run apt-get update |
04:18 | <Peng_> | There's a newer version of that package now. |
04:27 | <mr_su> | On Terminalapt "apt-get update", then "apt upgrade -y", it's ok, but when i use StackScripts "apt update && apt upgrade -y", I waited for an hour, and the system died. |
04:28 | <Zimsky> | that doesn't make sense |
04:28 | <Zimsky> | what else was the stackscript doing? |
04:29 | <mr_su> | I install docker |
04:29 | <mr_su> | #!/bin/bash apt update && apt upgrade -y curl -fsSL https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu/gpg | sudo apt-key add - apt install software-properties-common -y add-apt-repository "deb [arch=amd64] https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu $(lsb_release -cs) stable" apt-get update apt-cache policy docker-ce apt-get install -y docker-ce |
04:30 | <mr_su> | When i remove "apt upgrade -y", it's ok, docker install successfully. |
04:30 | <Zimsky> | yeah see the 'system dying' was probably just the other parts |
04:31 | <Zimsky> | how peculiar |
04:35 | <mr_su> | "apt upgrade -y" on Terminal there is a window popup => "Configuring grub-pc", on StackScripts how to select popup window's default value |
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05:13 | <mr_su> | I solved it "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt upgrade -yq" |
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07:31 | <tanja84dk> | just a question do you gous have a recommendation about what vpn to choose to get better speed to linode servers in USA ( I'm from europe ). Becaues I would like to have a vps personal in USA but noticed that I maximum get a 35 mbit connection but I have 100 mbit at my isp |
07:47 | <@scrane> | Hmmm you can see which datacenter works best for you using the LInode speedtest https://www.linode.com/speedtest |
07:47 | <@scrane> | Otherwise, my general recommendations for VPN is OpenVPN https://linode.com/docs/networking/vpn/install-openvpn-access-server-on-linux/ |
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07:52 | <Woet> | scrane: are you cool? |
07:52 | <@scrane> | I'm ice cold. |
07:53 | <Woet> | speaking of ice cold, where has bhanks been? |
07:53 | <Woet> | [13:53:03] bhanks signed on at 25 March 2018 at 09:03:20 CEST and has been idle for 2 days, 17 hours, 38 minutes, 25 seconds |
07:53 | <@scrane> | I should not say. |
07:53 | <Woet> | it's chili's isn't it |
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08:30 | <tanja84dk> | scrane, thanks but unfortunally the best data center in USA gives me 35 mbit wich is not great. And I think its the routing issue. So I was thinking of getting a vpn if it could give me a better route |
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08:56 | <lamji> | test |
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09:00 | <Zimsky> | scrane: she had enough? |
09:10 | <linbot> | New news from forum: General Discussion • Outlook Email Login Page <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=16012&p=76290#p76290> |
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09:28 | <lamji> | test |
09:30 | <@scrane> | Test received |
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09:32 | <lamji> | please chat |
09:36 | <rsdehart> | lamji: you haven't asked a question yet |
09:36 | <@scrane> | !ask |
09:36 | <linbot> | If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/ |
09:36 | <lamji> | hihi okayy |
09:38 | <rsdehart> | well ok, glad we could help |
09:38 | <lamji> | how does linode actually work? |
09:40 | <rsdehart> | they take a big computer, carve it up into little computers, and rent one of those little ones to you |
09:40 | <@scrane> | Linode is an unmanaged cloud hosting provider. That means you can come to us to spin up generally Linux-based instances to run whatever you would like on top of that. To give you an idea of what provisioning a Linode looks like, you can take a look at our getting started guide: https://www.linode.com/docs/getting-started |
09:40 | <rsdehart> | or that |
09:41 | <rsdehart> | I keep scrane around to embiggen my explanations |
09:41 | <rsdehart> | well done, scrane |
09:41 | <@scrane> | Thank you! |
09:41 | <lamji> | so both of you are real humans not bot? |
09:41 | <rsdehart> | of course we're real humans |
09:42 | <rsdehart> | why would you assume we were bots? |
09:42 | <lamji> | i dont really understand irc actually |
09:42 | <rsdehart> | I type words, you see them |
09:42 | <rsdehart> | then you type words and I see them |
09:42 | <lamji> | i thought there are bots in irc |
09:42 | <Woet> | scrane is like 90% augmented |
09:42 | <rsdehart> | there are. But that doesn't mean everyone's a bot |
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09:43 | <lamji> | i have assignment regarding irc so im trying to figure out how it workds |
09:43 | <lamji> | *works |
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09:43 | <lamji> | because everyone is so quiet i thought the one talking are bots lol |
09:43 | <@scrane> | Hahaha no, that's just because most people are sleeping. |
09:44 | <lamji> | but these people are real? haha |
09:44 | <lamji> | when is the time people are mostly active? i need data for my assignment |
09:44 | <@scrane> | I mean... I wan't comment on whether or not Woet is real. Jury's still out on him. But the rest of us are most likely real. |
09:44 | <@scrane> | What would you like to know for your assignment? |
09:45 | <lamji> | actually im an English major so the assignment needs us to analyse the language in irc |
09:45 | <Woet> | I'm * |
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09:45 | <@scrane> | See? Jury's out on him. |
09:46 | <lamji> | our group got irc the hardest one while others got forum, facebook, instagram and all |
09:46 | <Woet> | irc is the easiest one |
09:46 | <lamji> | really?? |
09:46 | <lamji> | then help me! hehe |
09:46 | <rsdehart> | I'm still trying to understand the leap from "There are bots on irc" to "you must all be bots" |
09:46 | <@scrane> | IRC has been around the longest. |
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09:46 | <lamji> | i know! but im not from the generation who used irc much |
09:47 | <rsdehart> | it's official, guys. We're relics |
09:47 | <@scrane> | I'm only 29!! I'm too young to be old!! |
09:47 | <lamji> | i'm sorry please dont be offended |
09:47 | <lamji> | im 23 |
09:47 | <rsdehart> | how'd you end up in #linode? |
09:48 | <lamji> | idk i just try googling on irc links then this one is the only one active |
09:48 | <Zimsky> | how did any of us end up in linode? |
09:48 | <rsdehart> | I was looking for VPS hosting support |
09:49 | <lamji> | so the hashtag thingy is basically the topic for the group chat, is it? |
09:49 | <@scrane> | Haha fair enough. So #linode is a community channel for the company Linode. We generally provide guidance for people having issues or jusut talk about things related to Linode. |
09:49 | <rsdehart> | lamji: it's the name of the channel |
09:49 | <rsdehart> | it often coincides with the topic |
09:49 | <lamji> | how do i choose the channel? |
09:49 | <@scrane> | Oh god... I'm so old... So here it's called a "pound". So the way we generally pronounce that is "pound Linode" |
09:49 | <lamji> | sometimes i enter but i was the only one joined the chat |
09:49 | <Zimsky> | you should probably read the wiki page for IRC |
09:50 | <lamji> | ive read a bit but still cannot understand |
09:50 | <Zimsky> | pound linode? what, like beat it up? |
09:50 | <Zimsky> | lamji: are you a programmer? |
09:50 | <lamji> | lol no :( |
09:50 | <@scrane> | lamji I was an English major as well. |
09:51 | <lamji> | oooh really? |
09:51 | <Zimsky> | it may be tricky to read, but https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1459 should ideally explain everything |
09:51 | <@scrane> | Yup! |
09:51 | <Zimsky> | what kind of assignment looks at IRC |
09:51 | <lamji> | this assignment is for computer applications in language studies |
09:52 | <@scrane> | Likely one that's studying language in a digital age and how the specific mediums influence how we adjust our language/grammar |
09:52 | <lamji> | and our group turned out assigned for irc |
09:52 | <Zimsky> | IRC has very distinctive sets of subcultures, uses and people |
09:53 | <@scrane> | IRC tends to be relatively walled off in that regards. So some people are only in #linode while other people might be in about 5 different channels. Each one is likely to have its own culture and "lingo" so to speak |
09:53 | <rsdehart> | 5? psh |
09:53 | <rsdehart> | I've lost count :( |
09:54 | <rsdehart> | I need help :( |
09:54 | <rsdehart> | in general, not with counting specifically |
09:54 | <Zimsky> | you'll find channels ranging from uptight, agitated people to people who just talk about specific things and don't really care much, to channels full of people who probably have trouble putting their socks on |
09:55 | <@scrane> | I know one of my friends is in a lucid dreaming IRC channel. |
09:55 | <rsdehart> | where this one falls on that spectrum is left as an exercise to the reader |
09:55 | <Zimsky> | I can give examples of each of those categories with people here |
09:55 | * | rsdehart makes popcorn |
09:55 | <Zimsky> | why? |
09:55 | <rsdehart> | because I enjoy popcorn |
09:56 | <Zimsky> | well okay |
09:56 | <Zimsky> | it better be buttered |
09:56 | <Zimsky> | but only enough |
09:56 | <rsdehart> | I'm actually not. I don't have any popcorn |
09:56 | <rsdehart> | My life is a lie :( |
09:56 | <Zimsky> | not as much as Eugene's |
09:56 | <Ikaros> | If I wasn't at work I'd smack you preemptively, Zimsky >.> |
09:56 | <@scrane> | Every day he's Linod'in |
09:56 | <rsdehart> | There is at least that |
09:57 | <Zimsky> | Ikaros: that wouldn't end well for you |
09:57 | <Zimsky> | I tend to not like being smacked, especially not pre-emptively |
10:00 | <@scrane> | lamji This Reddit post might also help you find some more generalized chats that are active: https://www.reddit.com/r/irc/comments/70ekk6/active_servers_with_general_chat_channels/ |
10:02 | <Zimsky> | lamji: also try efnet |
10:05 | <@gjjansen> | Gosh, efnet is a bit of the wild west |
10:05 | <Zimsky> | yes, it's real irc |
10:06 | <@scrane> | If he's looking to learn about the language of IRC, the wild west might not be a bad place to go |
10:06 | <@gjjansen> | That's for sure. |
10:06 | <@scrane> | #linode is a pretty tamed/sanitized channel by comparison. |
10:06 | <Zimsky> | if you go to freenode, you're mostly going to get people like Ikaros |
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11:00 | <linbot> | New news from forum: Current Betas • New cloud.linode.com control panel <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15015&p=76291#p76291> |
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13:00 | <Smart> | Hello, I am asking about the "Managed" addon .. this will be for XX$ ?? |
13:00 | <Zimsky> | yes |
13:00 | <Smart> | Yes what :) ? |
13:00 | <Zimsky> | yes please |
13:01 | <Smart> | I mean .. Yes .. for what? |
13:01 | <Zimsky> | i think it's 100/month on top of the linode cost |
13:01 | <Zimsky> | it should say it on whichever page you're looking at |
13:01 | <Smart> | Will they setup the server for what I need? |
13:01 | <Smart> | or I will do it myself? |
13:02 | <Smart> | for example. I need to create linode for WordPress & WooCommerce |
13:02 | <Smart> | will they setup it and make it ready for WordPress? |
13:02 | <Zimsky> | https://www.linode.com/managed |
13:02 | <Zimsky> | should answer all your questions there |
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13:05 | <Smart> | Zimsky: Sorry, yes. the info on their website. |
13:05 | <Smart> | Zimsky: "Pricing is $100 per month per Linode on your account" .. |
13:05 | <Smart> | thank you |
13:06 | <Zimsky> | so you could probably get your WP/WC setup done through professional services |
13:07 | <Zimsky> | and if you also got managed, you'd get a discount on that even |
13:15 | <Smart> | Zimsky: Thank you. |
13:15 | <Smart> | Zimsky: checkout this please https://ovh.us/ |
13:15 | <Smart> | the "Discovery Offer US - East (NVMe)" |
13:15 | <Zimsky> | it's ovh |
13:16 | <Zimsky> | why am I looking at this |
13:16 | <Smart> | Zimsky: I understand.. but compared to "Linode 16GB" |
13:16 | <Smart> | sorry |
13:16 | <Smart> | compared to "Linode 32GB" |
13:17 | <Smart> | I think the dedicated is stroger than the cloud ? right? |
13:17 | <Zimsky> | these are dedis though |
13:17 | <Woet> | Smart: what do you mean by "cloud" |
13:17 | <Zimsky> | ignore Woet, it's just a bot that says things |
13:17 | <Zimsky> | sometimes it's rude to me too |
13:17 | <Woet> | I get triggered by meaningless buzzwords. |
13:17 | <Zimsky> | ^ |
13:17 | <Smart> | :D .. Haha. |
13:18 | <Zimsky> | like that |
13:18 | <Zimsky> | the actual hardware is all yours to use with a dedicated server |
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13:19 | <Zimsky> | while with a linode (which is basically a virtual machine), you're sharing the hardware with others |
13:20 | <Zimsky> | so it's a little less possible to run extremely CPU intensive stuff on a linode all the time |
13:20 | <Zimsky> | while with a dedi, you can (usually) go nuts |
13:21 | <Zimsky> | there's other differences of course, but in your case, for a web site, you not really going to need a dedicated box |
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13:31 | <linbot> | New news from forum: Current Betas • New cloud.linode.com control panel <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15015&p=76292#p76292> |
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13:59 | <Zimsky> | didn't expect "woet is a bot" to work |
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14:21 | <diveyez> | So far the dallas nanonode I have is the fastest cpu |
14:21 | <diveyez> | I wonder why it does math better than the others |
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14:32 | <Woet> | diveyez: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
14:32 | <diveyez> | Not logged in, Im pretty sure they are the same as the new jersey center |
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15:36 | <lamji> | hi? |
15:37 | <Peng_> | Hello |
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15:44 | <Eugene> | Every day I'm Linodin' |
15:44 | <Woet> | Eugene: fake news |
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16:20 | <presales> | hello anyone here? |
16:22 | <presales> | I had questions about Linode running Rocket Chat |
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17:58 | <LinodeX> | Hello, Do you recommend a manual or video series or any resource .. for LEMP Stack web server with all configuration required? |
17:58 | <LinodeX> | For production purpose of course |
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18:54 | <kenyon> | wait wat: https://linode.com/docs/networking/an-overview-of-ipv6-on-linode/#ipv6-forwarding-and-neighbor-discovery -- linodes can't do IPv6 forwarding anymore? |
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19:02 | <linbot> | New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • a bugs and a question <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=16013&p=76293#p76293> |
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20:26 | <FluffyFoxeh> | kenyon: huh. It also no longer says anything about pools being routed to single linodes |
20:30 | <kenyon> | FluffyFoxeh: well I just got a /56 routed, so I'm going to see if that's true about forwarding soon... |
20:32 | <FluffyFoxeh> | I don't really understand the logic of routing entire /56s and /64s to single linodes |
20:36 | <kenyon> | FluffyFoxeh: indeed IPv6 forwarding still works fine, so that document is wrong |
20:36 | <kenyon> | FluffyFoxeh: for using linodes as VPN hosts |
20:36 | <kenyon> | which is what I'm doing |
20:36 | <kenyon> | so like if I'm at a hotel which lacks IPv6, I can run openvpn on my laptop which connects to my linode's openvpn, and then I have IPv6 |
20:37 | <FluffyFoxeh> | ah. I do use multiple addresses from my /64 pool so it's not entirely useless |
20:37 | <Peng_> | two? :P |
20:37 | <FluffyFoxeh> | can't imagine what one would want a /56 for though |
20:37 | <FluffyFoxeh> | Peng_: 4 or 5 |
20:38 | <FluffyFoxeh> | just saying it's nice to have multiple but it probably doesn't need to be that big. but maybe it helps with filters that eat /64s |
20:38 | <FluffyFoxeh> | or other such naive systems |
20:39 | <kenyon> | for VPN the key is that it has to be routed, which is awesome that linode provides it that way |
20:40 | <FluffyFoxeh> | why does the whole thing have to be routed to one place though? |
20:40 | <Peng_> | I want to send DNS queries from random IP addresses. >:D But it didn't work, when I tried it. |
20:44 | <kenyon> | FluffyFoxeh: because that's how routing works |
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20:59 | <FluffyFoxeh> | kenyon: Hm, true. But then I was thinking about the fact that each address in the /116 pools can go to a different Linode. I'm not sure how they do that |
21:00 | <Peng_> | They're just separate IPs. |
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21:01 | <Peng_> | They just, like, configure it normally, and poke holes in *all* of your nodes' host-side firewalls instead of just one. |
21:01 | <dwfreed> | they are in the same /64 as the main IPv6 address, so it's all one LAN |
21:01 | <FluffyFoxeh> | the main IPv6 address? |
21:02 | <Peng_> | The EUI-64 one |
21:02 | <Peng_> | It's the same but repeatedly :D |
21:02 | <FluffyFoxeh> | I'm confused |
21:02 | <FluffyFoxeh> | :p |
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21:06 | <dwfreed> | FluffyFoxeh: the 4096 contiguous addresses referred to as a /116 are in the same /64 as your ::f03c:91ff:fe<blah> address |
21:10 | <FluffyFoxeh> | hmm. I see what you mean |
21:14 | <dwfreed> | kenyon: to clarify, Linodes cannot forward IPv4 or IPv6 traffic to other Linodes without some sort of encapsulation |
21:14 | <dwfreed> | that has been the case for a long time |
21:15 | <dwfreed> | that section is rather confusing |
21:18 | <dwfreed> | the hosts have restrictions so that you may only receive traffic destined for addresses assigned to you (and the IPv6 Solicited-node Multicast Addresses associated with the IPv6 addresses assigned to you), and you can only send traffic from addresses assigned to you (and the unspecified address when doing DHCP) |
21:32 | <linbot> | New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • a bugs and a question <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=16013&p=76294#p76294> |
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23:50 | <Kevindank> | What is the base pho version installed on linked |
23:51 | <Peng_> | PHP? Linode? |
23:51 | <Kevindank> | Pho version on linode |
23:51 | <Peng_> | That's up to your operating system. |
23:51 | <Kevindank> | Linux Ubuntu |
23:52 | <Peng_> | That's up to Ubuntu. |
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