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00:40<samiam>Hello, may I ask where are the servers in linode located at?
00:41<Zimsky>earth
00:41<Zimsky>no martian locations yet
00:41<@scrane>Hey samiam we have 8 datacenters around the world.
00:41<Zimsky>https://www.linode.com/speedtest
00:41<@scrane>That'd be it!
00:42<@bhanks>!point Zimsky
00:42<linbot>bhanks: Point given to zimsky. (17)
00:42<Zimsky>!points Woet
00:42<Zimsky>oh no getter
00:43<@bhanks>dang
00:43<samiam>Alright! Thanks
00:45<Zimsky>bon voyage
00:50<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • cancer signe astrologique en italien <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=16056&p=76346#p76346>
00:51<@bhanks>gr8
00:52<Zimsky>it means if you're an astrologer and/or italian you have cancer
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01:10<Woet>Zimsky: the getter is without the "s"
01:11<Zimsky>!unpoint Woet
01:11<linbot>Zimsky: Point taken from woet! (10)
01:11<Zimsky>does that work?
01:11<Zimsky>oh noe
01:11<@bhanks>enough.
01:11<Woet>!ops help
01:11<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: https://www.linode.com/contact
01:11<Zimsky>!point bhanks
01:11<linbot>Zimsky: Point given to bhanks. (11)
01:11<@bhanks>enough
01:11<Zimsky>bhanks: you will find yourself unable to speak
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01:11<Woet>Zimsky: only in dictatorships
01:11<@bhanks>last warning
01:12<Woet>bhanks: me telling you not to should be reason enough not to do it
01:12<Zimsky>>enough
01:12<Zimsky>that's ghouen
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01:31<helpingThePoor>Are we allowed to use the server as public proxies? I've a project and I require public proxies to allow users to use it. They're only allowed to route it to access a specific webpages that are blocked in my home country. (no illegal actions).
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01:31<Woet>helpingThePoor: are you sure bypassing those blocks is not against the law?
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01:32<helpingThePoor>It is fine as it is just blocked in the school area, but our project requires it.
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01:33<Zimsky>if it's illegal, linode would probably not like it, but have you considered just requesting access?
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01:34<@scrane>If we get reports of malicious traffic we will open a ticket on the Linode and reach out to you about it. In general using proxies/VPNs are allowed, however you are responsible for the traffic that passes through the Linode.
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01:36<Zimsky>helpingThePoor: i'm curious (if I wasn't Zimsky), what is it blocking?
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01:38<Zimsky>Woet do you even know what that is?
01:38<Woet>no
01:38<Woet>i prefer cornhub mysel
01:38<Woet>f
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02:13<helpingThePoor>It's just the purpose of the project, we're suppose to create a public proxy. There's hundreds of students. Does linode allow a user to create multiple servers? (Instead of creating multiple accounts, one account creates multiple servers for use.
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02:19<@scrane>You can create multiple Linodes, yes.
02:19<@scrane>New accounts will typically be limited to 20 Linodes at a time
02:20<Zimsky>huh really
02:22<helpingThePoor>Alright, is there a time period until we could increase it? I may need 100 in total for my group to proceed
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02:25<@scrane>You need 100 proxies for a school project?
02:27<Woet>lol
02:27<helpingThePoor>it's a group project, each of us will create multiple.
02:28<Zimsky>but why
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02:45<Archon810>good evening
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02:45<Archon810>I already opened a ticket about this, but is anyone here able to push it through?
02:45<Archon810>I can't seem to get a new block storage attached
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02:45<Archon810>1 succeeded, but 3 out of 4 are failing, like so:
02:46<Archon810>"Failed Attach Volume - citadel_block1 Entered: 13 minutes 27 seconds ago - Took: 31 seconds The volume is not ready to be attached "
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02:51<Woet>Archon810: I'm happy to report tickets don't require manual pushing through, they will automatically get answered.
02:51<@scrane>Hey Archon810 I believe we have someone looking into this ticket now.
02:52<Woet>scrane: enough.
02:52<@scrane>You should be getting an update soon.
02:52<Archon810>Thanks
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02:54<Zimsky>woet said enough though
02:54<Zimsky>:\
02:54<Zimsky>:S
02:54<Woet>ill just tell everyone someone is looking into their ticket
02:54<Zimsky>I need an adult
02:54<Woet>its bound to be true eventually
02:54<Woet>i bet scrane didnt even check
02:54<Woet>its just one of his snippets
02:55<Zimsky>say "something is looking into your ticket"
02:55<Woet>WE APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE, OUR SUPPORT TEAM WILL BE RIGHT WITH YOU, YOUR SATISFACTION IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE TO US
02:55<Zimsky>which will always be true
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02:55<Woet>welcome back
02:55<@scrane>I am a robot. Meep morp.
02:55<Woet>we appreciate your patience
02:55<Woet>something is looking into your ticket
02:55<Archon810>Whoever is looking at my tickets is messing things up
02:55<Ikaros>Bad, bad scrane.
02:55<Zimsky>Ikaros: enough
02:55<Ikaros>Archon810 how so exactly?
02:55<Zimsky>that's just enough
02:56<Woet>just by looking they mess it up
02:56<Woet>thats gotta be bmartin
02:56<Archon810>I opened 2 tickets. 1 was about Linode Manager showing serverA powered off
02:56<Archon810>whereis it's been running for 41 days
02:56<Zimsky>this is like schrödinger's cat
02:56<Archon810>it ended up getting unexpectedly rebooted, without warning
02:56<Zimsky>when and what dc though?
02:56<Ikaros>...that's a bit odd.
02:56<Woet>but does the manager show it as powered on now?
02:56<Ikaros>Oh.
02:57<Archon810>now for my 2nd ticket, with storage not attaching, the 2nd server just went down and got rebooted
02:57<Archon810>yes, it does
02:57<Woet>see
02:57<Woet>solved!
02:57<Ikaros>As for the first case that might be part of troubleshooting.
02:57<Archon810>https://i.imgur.com/Ef00jdu.png
02:57<Ikaros>Perhaps to, kick the host or something
02:57<Zimsky>Woet: but can you solve P vs NP?
02:57<Ikaros>Saying hey, this thing isn't what you think it is
02:57<Ikaros>Or something
02:57<Woet>Ikaros: enough
02:57<Archon810>because restart without warning is acceptable
02:58<Zimsky>I agree
02:58<Woet>agreed
02:58<Woet>it is
02:58<Zimsky>it's quite acceptable, because things happen
02:59<Woet>is this not a spectre meltdown thing?
02:59<Ikaros>It sounded to me that in that first case something happened where the host lost touch with the state of the Linode, or something. I'm not completely familiar with that but my instinct just tells me host and instance weren't on the same page, per-se.
02:59<@scrane>So taking a look at that imgur link you shared, it looks like the Linode failed to boot properly or negotiate with the hypervisor which explains those two Lassie initiated boots, one a month ago and the other 13 minutes ago.
02:59<Woet>i hate negotiating with my hypervisor
03:00<Archon810>the 13 minute ago reboot was initiated by the engineer, without warning
03:00<Archon810>and it ended up rebooting the host
03:00<Archon810>but it was still set to failed, and powered off
03:00<Archon810>actually, sorry, it never booted
03:01<Archon810>the final attempt was me booting it, and that's when it finally booted. The point is, if Linode is going to reboot a host, they should warn first
03:01<Archon810>the block storage not attaching ticket just said it was probably related to some network issues at Fremont right now and to try to reattach
03:02<Archon810>I go to server B, and it's offline, being rebooted
03:02<Archon810>(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
03:02<Zimsky>OI
03:02<Archon810>again, without warning
03:02<Zimsky>THAT WAS A GEORGIAN REPRODUCTION TABLE
03:02<Woet>(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ THIS IS RIDICULOUS
03:02<Archon810>Woet, you think you're helpful, but you really are not
03:02<@scrane>I apologize, with that Host Initiated Restart a month ago, that was likely an emergency maintenance period. In those cases we are unable to provide advanced warning as they typically are errors that require immediate attention to resolve.
03:02<Zimsky>trust me he doesn't think he's helpful
03:03<Zimsky>Archon810: depending on the DC, a few weeks ago or something they had a power failure
03:03<Archon810>@scrane, that was fine, that was spectre
03:03<Zimsky>you can't really give advance notice of a power failure
03:03<Archon810>right, that was understandable
03:03<Archon810>I'm not talking about unexpected reboots weeks ago
03:03<Archon810>I'm talking about 2 today
03:04<Archon810>both initiated by Linode engineers
03:04<@scrane>Are you referencing the Lassie Initiated Boots?
03:04<Woet>lassie is the worst, she should be fired
03:04<Zimsky>it would also be related to your actual boot configurations, like whether lassie is enabled or if your OS install hit an error on init
03:04<Archon810>On hive, yes. That one was out of sync with the Linode Manager status. "Lassie initiated boot: My openSUSE Profile Entered: 20 minutes 43 seconds ago - Took: 16 seconds Linode failed to boot for unknown reason." - this was an engineer rebooting it
03:06<Archon810>on forge, the one that had trouble mounting new block storage, and after rebooting without warning, I see this: https://i.imgur.com/77hzkYK.png
03:06<Zimsky>you really should have your own monitoring set up, and proper (i.e. not in the same datacenter) redundancy/failover if your service is that important
03:07<Archon810>I didn't have an outage, I have 9 linodes
03:07<Zimsky>I have 5 cats
03:07<Zimsky>one is named buttons
03:08<@scrane>Archon810 I am discussing this with our administrators now. You should be receiving additional updates on the ticket soon.
03:08<Archon810>there's a chance when I attempted to detach a volume that wasn't even attached but Linode said was attached, and then reattach, something went haywire, maybe a kernel panic, or something in the Manager that initiated a reboot
03:09<Archon810>@scrane Thank you
03:14<Woet>the real issue is that you're still using opensuse in 2018
03:16<Archon810>The real issue is you're still talking
03:16<Woet>Archon810: enough.
03:17<dwfreed>scrane: remember what I PMed you the other day?
03:17<dwfreed>scrane: now would be a great time to apply that
03:18<Woet>dwfreed: enough.
03:18<@scrane>Woet Zimsky: Now would be the time to chill out on the trolling.
03:19<Zimsky>except for the part where I didn't do anything like that
03:19<Woet>scrane: so it's been enough?
03:19<@scrane>It's been plenty.
03:19<Zimsky>particularly in that I was actually, in my opinion, being somewhat helpful with what I was saying
03:19<Woet>i wasn't
03:20<dwfreed>Zimsky: I believe scrane was more referring to your past actions, not this specific instance
03:20<Woet>dwfreed: enough.
03:20<Zimsky>dwfreed: what?
03:21<dwfreed>scrane: can I? please?
03:22<@bhanks>alright everyone that's enough for now.
03:22<@scrane>dwfreed Not just yet.
03:22<dwfreed>:D
03:23<Woet>dwfreed: https://www.linode.com/careers is how you get op here
03:23<dwfreed>I'm well aware of that, as I've had op here before
03:24<Woet>you seem to struggle with not having it any longer
03:24<Woet>just trying to help
03:24<dwfreed>however, I'm given quite a bit of leeway in use of /umode +S
03:25<@scrane>Woet: Chill.
03:26<Ikaros>Is it bad that I'm still up at ~2:30 AM when I have to be at work @ 5 AM? lol
03:27<Woet>Ikaros: be sure to get enough sleep.
03:35<Ikaros>Eh. No biggie for me tbh, going in early means I get out early
03:35<Woet>Ikaros: just get enough.
03:35<Ikaros>...
03:36<Woet>not getting enough sleep increases the risk of heart attacks
03:36<Zimsky>kind of
03:36<Zimsky>it's not that straightforward
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04:03<@gjjansen>Sleep isn't necessary.
04:08<Woet>gjjansen: prove it
04:09<@gjjansen>I do every day, Woet.
04:10<Woet>gjjansen: i'm gonna need to check your house for beds
04:10<@bhanks>...
04:10<Zimsky>you don't need a bed to sleep
04:10<Woet>its a fair indicator though
04:10<Zimsky>futons are excellent and can save space
04:11<Woet>thats what someone who doesn't have enough money for a bed would say
04:11<Zimsky>indeed
04:11<Zimsky>good thing I already have a bed
04:12<Woet>the morgue beds don't count, they don't have enough padding
04:13<@gjjansen>Just get a few hours and a few coffees, Ikaros. I believe in you.
04:15<Ikaros>Blah.
04:15<Ikaros>I'll just have a coffee when I get to work. That sounds like a good plan, lol.
04:17<Woet>i never drink coffee, not enough nutrients
04:18<@gjjansen>What a shame.
04:19<Woet>gjjansen: enough, stop being sarcastic with me
04:20<@gjjansen>What do you have all of your stroopwafels with?
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04:20<@gjjansen>lol
04:22<Woet>gjjansen: first of all, i won't be subjected to your fat shaming
04:22<Woet>gjjansen: second of all, you don't dip or have it with something, the hot drink just facilitates the melting of the inside
04:22<@gjjansen>I know that.
04:23<Woet>gjjansen: i often just use my moms or gfs drink
04:23<Woet>gjjansen: or, if i'm lonely, just boil some water and throw it afterwards
04:23<Woet>if theres a real emergency, 15 seconds in a microwave, but thats only in desperation
04:24<@gjjansen>"Can I borrow your coffee?"
04:24<Woet>yea pretty much
04:24<Woet>i do the same with speculaas
04:25<Woet>cause its better when dipping in coffee
04:25<Woet>but i dont actually drink it
04:27<@gjjansen>are those just those biscoff cookies? You can't get them in US AFAIK
04:27<Woet>yes, those ones
04:27<Woet>i mean you cant even get kinder eggs
04:27<Woet>its a terrible country
04:28<Zimsky>not to mention there's a particular someone there
04:28<@gjjansen>you can get kinder chocolate right around the corner from here but the child's face creeps me out.
04:28<Woet>but can you get the eggs
04:28<Woet>those are the best ones
04:28<@gjjansen>Absolutely not.
04:28<Woet>followed closely by bueno
04:29<Woet>i smuggled kinder eggs in last time i went to the US
04:29<@gjjansen>oh, i can find the biscoff branded cookies at some grocery stores here though.
04:29<@gjjansen>just airmail some kinder eggs over here.
04:29<Woet>i saw some stroopwafels at wholepaycheck
04:29<Woet>like $7.99
04:29<@gjjansen>They have some but they're not super.
04:30<Woet>they're not
04:30<Woet>good chocolate mousse though
04:32<@gjjansen>I am a fan of that.
04:32<@gjjansen>dairy free chocolate mousse
04:32<Woet>why dairy free
04:33<Woet>there better be a medical reason
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04:36<joseph>hello
04:36<@bhanks>hi joseph
04:37<Woet>welcome friend
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05:15<joseph>has anyone had a floating ip address with their linode using pcsd
05:19<Woet>no, only ptsd
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05:32<@bhanks>well I guess he's not Linodin' today
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05:33<@bhanks>oh hi Eugene
05:33<@bhanks>that was scary for a minute
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06:25<Woet>bhanks: you never said that when I timed out
06:25<Woet>then again this is running on OVH so it never will
06:29<@bhanks>im sorry Woet i forgot how jealous you are
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06:34<Woet>bhanks: why do you think I vanished for 3 weeks when you told us about putting your hands on gjjansen
06:36<@bhanks>hm
06:36<Woet>to any manager reading, that was a typo
06:36<Woet>none of that ever happened.
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08:42<Zimsky>Woet: wait, people take IRC seriously?
08:43<Zimsky>oh god that's why things are always weird
08:44*gjjansen shrugs.
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09:02<Woet>Zimsky: enough.
09:13*Demo smiles.
09:14<Demo>Oh no, OVH fan in the chat.
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09:51<JamesTK>Oh no, AWS fan in the caht.
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10:09<@gjjansen>_doesn't understand what's happening._
10:09<@gjjansen>Getting slack and IRC formatting confused lends itself to funny results.
10:09<JamesTK>caht. right.
10:10*JamesTK uses too many different chat apps
10:10<@jhaas>#libpurple
10:11<@gjjansen>jhaas: is pidgin available for macOS?
10:11<JamesTK>jhaas: does it support amazon chime >.>
10:11<@jhaas>amazon what?
10:11<@gjjansen>Some business chat thing.
10:12<JamesTK>Tries to be slack.
10:12<@jhaas>gjjansen: adium uses libpurple on mac
10:12<@gjjansen>:O
10:14<tafa2>whoever came up with the idea of moving the 1024 linode to the bottom of the page deserves a $ bonus and an ass kicking
10:14<Zimsky>slack is "hey irc is neat, let's charge people money for a proprietary client and server"
10:14<tafa2>I ditched slack
10:15<tafa2>tried rocket chat
10:15<tafa2>and now using Mattermost
10:15<Zimsky>JamesTK: was it you who was talking about amazon linux 2
10:15<@gjjansen>Zimsky: It's got some perks and IRC is so open if you're not running your own server.
10:15<JamesTK>you can install AL2 on Linode if you want, probably.
10:15<smallclone>tafa2: yeah it's super lame
10:15<@gjjansen>Isn't Amazon Linux just their own redux of Cent?
10:16<tafa2>smallclone the 1024 gui positioning or slack? :)
10:16<Zimsky>it's ridiculously easy to run an irc server though
10:16<JamesTK>gjjansen: the original was, i think Amazon Linux 2 is sort of a ground-up but still supports epel packages
10:16<smallclone>the "nanode" designation and position on the page
10:16<@jhaas>xmpp anyone? no?
10:16<smallclone>i've whined about it in here a bunch before
10:16<tafa2>IRC is king
10:16<JamesTK>gjjansen: plus can download isos ...
10:16<@gjjansen>jhaas: I've never chatted on xmpp before but I leave it setup 'cause I like otr
10:17<@gjjansen>ah
10:17<tafa2>although... I reckon MSN messenger should be revived... now that would make users super productive
10:17<@gjjansen>interesting, JamesTK
10:17<tafa2>smallclone yeah v annoying
10:17<smallclone>doesn't facebook have an enterprise chat offering lol
10:17<smallclone>i bet that's doing really well right now
10:17<Zimsky>you know you've been reading too much case law when "Yeah v Annoying" looks like a court case
10:18<JamesTK>gjjansen: I mostly like the 5 year LTS
10:18<Zimsky>who'd have thought facebook was actually doing mass data analysis and invading privacy?
10:18<Zimsky>super weird
10:19<tafa2>Right Zimsky ?
10:19<tafa2>I know
10:19<tafa2>so strange
10:28<tafa2>apt-get mirrors are hella slow in London
10:28<tafa2>just spun up a new Linode
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10:40<Demo>tafa2: be ipv6 issue, uncomment precedence ::ffff:0:0/96 100 -- in gai.comf
10:40<tafa2>hey Demo
10:40<tafa2>yeah I force IPv4
10:40<tafa2>*forced
10:40<tafa2>still a bit slow
10:41<@gjjansen>tafa2: I haven't heard anything about any any issues in London but I'm spinning up a node to see for myself.
10:41<Demo>Seems ok here
10:41<tafa2>hmm
10:42<tafa2>gjjansen Demo maybe Linode was acting up...?
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10:42<tafa2>*my linode
10:42<tafa2>jesus - can't type today
10:42<tafa2>tried my other linode's they were speedy
10:42<Zimsky>jesus can type any day he likes
10:45<@gjjansen>tafa2: It's a brand new Linode? Could you try running as 'apt-get -o Acquire::ForceIPv4=true update'/
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10:45<tafa2>gjjansen I did yup
10:45<@gjjansen>It was still acting up?
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10:46<tafa2>I rebooted, apt-got again
10:46<tafa2>it was maybe a minute or 2 slower than it usually is
10:46<tafa2>but it worked
10:46<tafa2>don't mean to worry you all :)
10:47<@gjjansen>tafa2: No worries. I just wanna make sure everything is working well. :)
10:49<tafa2>^^ that's why I love lindoe...
10:50<tafa2>*Linode - ffs can't type today
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10:51<tafa2>gjjansen just rebuilt it - and apt is hella fast again
10:52<@gjjansen>tafa2: Awesome!
10:53<JamesTK>Lindoe <3
10:54<JamesTK>I like having an OOB console. AWS is quite restrictive in that sense :(
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11:39<tafa2>anyone use SES and getting lots of e-mails bounced for spam?
11:51<Cromulent>tafa2: I use SES but haven't had any problems with spam
11:51<Cromulent>in fact I use SES for all of my domains
11:52<Cromulent>I think I have a bounce rate of 0.05%
11:52<scivola>it's all a lottery of what IP you get and how many blacklists it's on
11:53<Cromulent>tafa2: you could always pay for a dedicated IP address
11:53<scivola>if the person using the IP before you spammed like crazy, you're out of luck
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11:56<Cromulent>ouch $25 a month for a dedicated IP address
11:57<tafa2>scrane I think you're right
11:57<tafa2>0o oops I meant to mention scivola
11:57<tafa2>some domains have no problems whilst others periodically do
11:58<scivola>Cromulent: just buy a $5 Linode and use that instead ;P
11:58<tafa2>Cromulent for the important things I use postmarkapp
11:58<scivola>tafa2: yeah, I use Mailgun and have the same problems
11:58<tafa2>touch wood - never had a problem
11:58<tafa2>mailgun is pants
11:58<tafa2>so bad
11:58<scivola>although Mailgun is good about switching your IP out
11:58<tafa2>that's cos of the number of complaints they get :P
11:59<scivola>probably
11:59<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
11:59<scivola>i only have a ~1% drop rate, and most of those are from old setups and mail servers not knowing what SPF and DKIM are
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12:37<JamesTK>Eugene: every day I'm AWSin'
12:56<Eugene>Me too truthfully, but they don't have a public IRC channel full of cool people
12:56<Eugene>And their data transfer prices make me cry
12:56<Zimsky>um
12:56<Zimsky>I'm in this channel too Eugene
12:56<Zimsky>are you implying I'm cool?
12:56<Eugene>!ask
12:56<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
12:57<Eugene>The only coolness you can get is that which you ascribe yourself
12:57<Eugene>But don't wear a fedora
12:57<Zimsky>now that's a word people don't use enough
12:57<Zimsky>I wear a fez
12:58<Eugene>Pics
12:58<Zimsky>gfy
12:59<Zimsky>Eugene: https://cdn-1.us.xmsymphony.com/fe47e3b9ebbe764b51d04bea1191b312/contents/GM2050300/GM2050300.jpg
12:59<Zimsky>I even pull that face
12:59<Eugene>That appears to have been 'shopped. I can tell by some of the pixels beng like they do
13:00<Zimsky>I love it when they beng
13:00<Zimsky>makes the villi of my intestine quiver
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13:01<Eugene>Matlock occupies 128GB, but Power Rangers is 278GB.
13:01<Eugene>Hmmm
13:01<Zimsky>delete both imo
13:02<Zimsky>download guiding light and eastenders
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13:53<tafa2>anyone know a phpmyadmin alternative that doesnt require PHP
13:53<tafa2>just straight up webserver?
13:53<tafa2>(not command line :) )
13:53<Woet>tafa2: why not CLI?
13:53<Woet>tafa2: and what language do you expect it to be written in if you want it to be "straight up webserver"
13:53<tafa2>client doesn't know how to use it
13:53<Woet>SHTML?
13:54<tafa2>was hoping it could run in the broser?
13:54<tafa2>*browser
13:54<Woet>nope
13:54<Woet>and that'd require you to open up MySQL over the internet
13:54<Woet>no one does that
13:54<tafa2>that's a good point
13:55<Woet>just set them up with a client side app that supports ssh tunnels
13:55<Woet>e.g. sequel pro (but thats OS X only I think)
13:55<tafa2>prob do that
13:57<nate>tafa2: is there -any- backend language on the server in question?
13:57<nate>There are generally PMA-like apps in just about every web-utilized language
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14:53<Yogesh>Hello, I suddenly got a message of outbound of usage which was 29GB. I would like to know where was this huge data uploaded.
14:53<Yogesh>Can linode team help me ?
14:54<smallclone>Yogesh: well, no, not really
14:54<nate>Yogesh: Outbound means it went from your server, it wasn't uploaded -to- it. Do you have any large files on your system? Could be that someone simply downloaded a large file repeatedly, otherwise you're going to need to file a ticket, this is largely a community support room
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14:55<nate>But I don't think they would have -specific- information unless they were giving you the details as if they interpreted it as some sort of attack
14:55<nate>ie; your system being used to attack another
14:55<nate>but they'd be pretty clear on that in a ticket if that's what you meant by message
14:55<smallclone>if it was sent from your server it's up to you to figure out what was being sent
14:56<dwfreed>and subsequently where it was going
14:56<Yogesh>Precisely., i fear some kind of attack
14:56<Yogesh>Thanks , I would raise a ticket as said.
14:56<nate>Yogesh: Did you get it from the linode manager or an actual linode staff ticket?
14:57<nate>Did you look at your bandwidth graph to see what your average traffic amounts are? Do you have something popular on your linode that simply maybe got more traffic than usual?
14:57<Yogesh>I got it from linode manager notification. . So I thought I should talk to community first.
14:58<smallclone>Yogesh: i wouldn't suggest opening a ticket, they're just going to tell you the same stuff we will here, assuming it's not abuse related
14:58<smallclone>what's running on your Linode? that'll make it easier to figure out where you should look
14:58<Yogesh>is it possible to add screenshot here ?
14:58<Peng_>Yogesh: The person best informed about your Linode's traffic is you. They don't wiretap everybody or know what software they run.
14:59<Peng_>Yogesh: Not directly. You can upload a screenshot to https://imgur.com/ or something and send us a link
14:59<nate>(just make sure you don't include any account sensitive stuff of course :P)
15:00<Yogesh>https://imgur.com/a/vUvnS
15:00<Peng_>Wow.
15:00<nate>Yeah that looks a bit weird lol
15:00<Yogesh>Ye...
15:01<Peng_>Difficult to guess why, though.
15:01<nate>Yogesh: DId you see my earlier questions? Do you have any large files on the system that someone may have downloaded maybe?
15:01<Peng_>Like, if it was part of a botnet, wouldn't it be DDoSing things more often than that?
15:01<Peng_>Maybe a really buggy spider was downloading big files off your website
15:01<nate>Peng: Depends, it could be trying to keep on the low so not to be detected?
15:02<Peng_>Yeah, I s'pose.
15:02<nate>looks like that would have been what, 20-25~ Minutes worth of outbound?
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15:02<nate>o.O
15:02<nate>okay then
15:02<Peng_>...
15:03<nate>crappy home connection? :P
15:03<Peng_>Maybe they got DDoSed
15:03<nate>that would have prob been a ping out in that case :P
15:04<nate>so would a crappy home connection I suppose lol
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15:04<Peng_>Welcome back
15:04<nate>yogesh: Do you by chance have memcached on your system?
15:05<yogesh>I think I got disconnected. Did you guys get the message?
15:05<yogesh>nope nate
15:05<nate>Okay. Sort of a pitch in the dark though I imagine if you did you'd be seeing a lot more suspicious traffic
15:06<yogesh>humm
15:06<nate>yogesh: If you don't have any large files on the system that someone could easily download, I'd say check your system for any vulnerable software/etc
15:06<nate>that's definitely an unusual traffic spike, especially if you don't actually have 29~ gig worth of content available to the public-scope
15:06<yogesh>Guys.. thanks for the suggestion... I am raising ticket...
15:07<Peng_>With who?
15:07<Peng_>With whom??
15:07<nate>yogesh: Unfortunately there's not likely much they're going to be able to tell you by ticket unless you're on managed/professional, in which case they -might- help look at it for you
15:07<yogesh>Support of linode.
15:07<nate>otherwise they'll largely tell you the same thing
15:07<yogesh>SO they probably can give me details of the dats communication
15:07<Guest2354>just read scrollback. yogesh: you are actually going to have more info than support does.
15:08<nate>yogesh: Unless it was reported to them as actual abuse they'll have nothing really
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15:08<nate>they don't really keep network logs of any sort of that extent I believe
15:09<nate>At -most- they might be able to tell you what it was sent -at-, but not -what- it was, and they're not really going to probably be able to give you a definitive answer as to -what- did it, so
15:09<yogesh>yes I understand. But just feels no harm in checking if they could help
15:09<yogesh>its really strange...
15:10<@sjacobs>is there a web server running that you have access logs for?
15:10<yogesh>if they can tell me who and the transfer was initiated.
15:10<@sjacobs>support doesn't have that information.
15:10<Peng_>They don't wiretap everyone for no reason.
15:10<nate>yogesh: Obviously they can't tell you 'who', they literally have no access to your linode
15:10<dwfreed>yogesh: sjacobs works for Linode support
15:10<dwfreed>yogesh: if he's telling you they don't have that information, they don't have that information
15:10<smallclone>yogesh: they can't. they most they'll be able to do is basically run a tcpdump on your current traffic..they're not logging it or anything, so historical information won't be available
15:11<yogesh>is there a web server running that you have access logs for? >> Its a fresh install
15:11<@sjacobs>if you catch it in the moment, support could check. but so could you.
15:11<Peng_>yogesh: Is there a web server?
15:11<dwfreed>(also, many of us are former employees or long time customers; we're very familiar with what support does and doesn't have access to)
15:11<yogesh>yogesh: Is there a web server? yes apache
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15:12<dwfreed>so look at /var/log/apache2/access.log
15:12<smallclone>yogesh: (assuming ubuntu / deb) /var/log/apache2/access.log
15:12<@sjacobs>anything out of the ordinary happening in the access logs at the time of the spike?
15:13<@sjacobs>if it's another service generating that traffic, the options are too many to begin to guess.
15:13<yogesh>I was shit scared.... I rebuild the instance... I am afraid i lost it...
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15:13<yogesh>but reinstalled the old baremin. exactly what it was\
15:14<smallclone>yogesh: well the info is gone then
15:14<smallclone>assuming you did in fact rebuild and not just delete the linode altogether
15:15<yogesh>any network monitor for ununtu which i can remotely monitor
15:15<yogesh>*ubuntu
15:15<yogesh>which can give me all connections and data transfer details.
15:15<yogesh>so i can install
15:15<yogesh>for next
15:18<yogesh>nothing such ?
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15:20<smallclone>yogesh: something like iftop probably?
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15:20<smallclone>i guess wireshark too
15:22<yogesh>humm... sounds helpful
15:25<Peng_>Whatever you choose has to be able to handle high traffic...
15:28<yogesh>ye
15:30<yogesh>trying itop... first
15:30<yogesh>iftop
15:36<millisa>yogesh: i also like 'nethogs'
15:40<nyancat>I like iftop
15:41<nyancat>iptraf-ng also works
15:41<nyancat>iptraf is a bit more fancy than iftop
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15:47<Peng_>iftop chokes if you have a zillion sessions
15:49<tafa2>Woet I ended up using Sequel Pro with an SSH tunnel - great app
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15:49<Woet>it is
15:49<tafa2>"Hosting donated by Linode" well what dya know
15:49<Woet>good OS choice bro
15:49<Woet>didnt even know
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15:52<nyancat>sequel pro huh
15:52<nyancat>never even knew that existed
15:52<nyancat>that's fancy
15:53<nyancat>tafa2: thanks for the plug, i'm gonna have to check that out
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15:54<farid>Hello
15:54<nyancat>Hi farid
15:55<farid>I have a question about linode restrictions and rules
15:55<tafa2>nyancat yeah man check it out - with SSH tunneling built in, connecting to a MySQL server is super easy
15:55<nyancat>farid: shoot. Have you had a chance to read the Terms of Service?
15:56<nyancat>tafa2: is it just mySQL or does it support PostgresSQL/MariaDB/etc. too?
15:56<tafa2>Maria I'm sure
15:56<tafa2>Postgres I don't know
15:56<farid>Does linode support Iranians? Is there any problem with Iranians IPs?
15:56<tafa2>farid you're going to do VPN right?
15:56<Woet>farid: Have you had a chance to read the Terms of Service?
15:56<nyancat>https://www.linode.com/tos
15:56<farid>yeah
15:57<tafa2>should be fine
15:57<farid>Thank you
15:57<tafa2>im sure one of the ops will let you know if im wrong
15:57<nyancat>I don't think there will be a problem with your physical location but please, if in doubt send in a question
15:57<Woet>https://twitter.com/linode/status/933015201007521792
15:57<Woet>there you go
15:57<nyancat>email to support@linode.com
15:58<nyancat>Ah
15:58<tafa2>I thought the sanctions were lifter
15:58<tafa2>*lifted
15:58<farid>:(
15:58<Woet>the tweet is november 2017
15:59<Woet>so apparently not
15:59<farid>yeas apparently not
15:59<nyancat>Technically speaking the actions of Iran in 2016 would allow the United Nations to lift their sanctions on Iran, but the US PCI rules prohibit merchants from transacting with Iranians and likewise, Americans can not transact with any payment card in Iran
16:00<nyancat>so that only makes sense, sorry for not being smart and figuring it out sooner
16:00<nyancat><-- used to work in PCI
16:02<nyancat>farid: You can still send an email to support@linode.com if you want to inquire, so long as nobody from the team responds here first
16:03<Peng_>Exporting IT services to Iran is legal, right? You just... can't get paid.
16:03<nate>The problem is there's a specific list of banks that are forbidden but simply ignoring everything from iran is a lot easier
16:04<nyancat>Yeah
16:04<millisa>there were exceptions put in last year in november for humanitarian aid for the quake. if the IT had to do with that, probably
16:04<farid>unfortunately we cannot use services like linode in world because of sanctions
16:04<farid>I will send email to support team.
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16:08<Peng_>millisa: I thought there was a pretty broad exception, but I dunno
16:08<millisa>this was the only one i know of. https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/faqs/Sanctions/Pages/faq_iran.aspx#1112earth_quake but i don't know much
16:09<millisa>and now i have this stuck in my head https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmuJ0us63GQ
16:10<Peng_>That web page gives me a headache
16:11<Peng_>"Authorizing the Reexportation of Certain Civil Aircraft to Iran on Temporary Sojourn and Related Transactions"
16:11<millisa>ATREOC CATIOT SART, duh
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23:04<Peng_>They're all jerks any -- oh welcome back friends
23:04<millisa>(saw a drop to some fremont stuff at the same time)
23:04<millisa>seems fine now though
23:06<millisa>hm. or not.
23:07<millisa>icmp is getting blocked to some of my fremont linodes, but only from some places.
23:08<millisa>started right at the top of the hour
23:09<millisa>reboot the linode and all is fine... that's just odd
23:13<millisa>oh well, not worrying about it for now; supposed to be movie night.
23:13<Peng_>D:
23:14<millisa>(though it wasn't just icmp. http wasn't working either. mtr was dying in cogentco near dallas. from the linode i could ping google, but couldn't ping the system I was ssh'd to the system from...)
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23:34<newlinode>hello
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23:52<Anmol>Hello
23:54<Peng_>hi
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