| --- | Log | opened Sun Apr 29 00:00:50 2018 |
| 00:07 | <nate> | Realistically? How ever many records it takes to total between 1 to 4TB I would imagine |
| 00:08 | <nate> | *1 to 4TB worth of records |
| 00:08 | <zifnab> | i would imagine there's an auto incrementing primary key, looking at the resource IDs that get returned |
| 00:08 | <zifnab> | even given coldfusion, i can't imagine it's not mysql |
| 00:08 | <nate> | Why wouldn't they just be reading it straight from the zone file? |
| 00:09 | <zifnab> | performance, you try reading a few thousand files |
| 00:09 | <zifnab> | millions, even, possibly |
| 00:09 | <dwfreed> | zifnab: primary keys can be longer than 32 bits |
| 00:09 | <zifnab> | they can be 64 bit but that's not the default |
| 00:10 | <nate> | zifnab: Why would you need to read a few thousand files if you're mainly only pulling them in the manager upon request? |
| 00:10 | <nate> | You'd only need to match the zone file being requested, each zone being it's own file |
| 00:10 | <dwfreed> | there are people with 1000s of zones |
| 00:11 | <nate> | dwfreed: Sure but how many of them are literally opening thousands of zones into browser tabs all at once to edit them? |
| 00:12 | <dwfreed> | even if they were organized by customer, reading the directory entries would likely take longer than a properly indexed SELECT |
| 00:12 | <nate> | They could still use a DB for the base "DNS manager" view |
| 00:12 | <nate> | Not saying they don't use one at all, but storing -all- records in it? Once you hit https://manager.linode.com/dns/domain/foobar.com it could just pull from the zone file itself rather than all stored in a DB |
| 00:13 | <dwfreed> | and then have to parse that |
| 00:13 | <dwfreed> | did you know it's not actually sane to make a zone file parser? |
| 00:13 | <zifnab> | i'm way too fucking lazy to go time APIs and figure out if they're disk-backed or mysql-index-backed |
| 00:13 | <zifnab> | i can't imagine a half wit would even design it that way |
| 00:13 | <zifnab> | and i've seen some shit, i work in ENTERPRISE |
| 00:15 | <nate> | dwfreed: A lot of DNS management interfaces have worked that way w/ bare database reliance, so any variety they could have potentially sampled from to make one :P |
| 00:15 | <dwfreed> | they probably cheated |
| 00:15 | <nate> | I'd be surprised if nobody ever made one in coldfusion in all this time even, even with it's not-really-popular-ness |
| 00:15 | <dwfreed> | anyway, why re-parse a file every time, when a database can store a split-out representation for you? |
| 00:17 | <nate> | just seems like a potentially unneccessary failure point I suppose to me, and the 15~ minute update cycle just reminds me of cron'd rndc setup's I've seen in the past w/ other DNS managers |
| 00:17 | <zifnab> | it takes 37ms to get a request from the v3 api, it takes 34ms to get the not authorized error page |
| 00:17 | <zifnab> | i can't imagine they load and parse zone files in 3ms |
| 00:18 | <dwfreed> | nate: I mean, if the database fails, the Manager is not useful anyway |
| 00:18 | <zifnab> | hell i'm horribly wrong, let me redo that |
| 00:19 | <nate> | zifnab: You don't need to if you're using something like rndc? |
| 00:19 | <nate> | rndc can reload per-zone |
| 00:19 | <nate> | so it would be loading and parsing a zone file, not files |
| 00:20 | <nate> | it can also add/remove zones on the fly w/ reconfig |
| 00:21 | <nate> | -technically- I think you can even reload explicit zone views in latest versions |
| 00:21 | <dwfreed> | the use of plural there was not meant to indicate it would be loading more than 1 file |
| 00:22 | <dwfreed> | also keep in mind that in a file-based approach, all of the webservers would need access to all of the zone files, in addition to the 5 nameservers |
| 00:24 | <nate> | dwfreed: Authoritive master can issue an rndc remotely, and if there is one 'master' all manager instances would be able to access it the same as a DB? |
| 00:24 | <nate> | Unfortunately everything is just guessing at this point, I doubt they'll ever tell specifics :P |
| 00:24 | <millisa> | it's cpanels, all the way down. |
| 00:25 | <nate> | lol, well technically that's all how cPanel does it so :P |
| 00:25 | <dwfreed> | rndc requires explicit authorization on the remote server |
| 00:26 | <dwfreed> | also rndc provides no mechanism to display a zone's contents |
| 00:26 | <nate> | Never said anything about it having a mechanism to display? But you can otherwise easily configure (bind anyways) to allow 'pushes/updates' from approved masters, at which point they receive the push from a master and locally trigger the rndc |
| 00:27 | <dwfreed> | wat |
| 00:28 | <dwfreed> | there are exactly 3 methods to make BIND do something: rndc, DNS NOTIFY, and DNS UPDATE; the latter two do not involve rndc at all |
| 00:29 | <nate> | The latter two can invoke rndc on the receiving bind if it's set up to do so, ie; it doesn't require bind to like fully restart to take the new zones? |
| 00:29 | <dwfreed> | no they can't |
| 00:29 | <dwfreed> | and you cannot add new zones over DNS, you can only do that with rndc |
| 00:30 | <dwfreed> | citation: somebody who's read the BIND Administrator Reference Manual cover to cover |
| 00:30 | <nate> | I was talking about record updates, sorry, should have clarified on that. |
| 00:31 | <nate> | The reconfig portion is indeed local and would require an authorization tie w/ rndc to handle remotely (which in most cases does tend to be set up) |
| 00:32 | <nate> | But an authorized configured rndc cluster still could be a possibility here too I imagine |
| 00:33 | <nate> | The original point was the impression was being given that changes to bind somehow still need this big restart that requires reparsing of -all- zone files, and that hasn't been the case in a pretty long time |
| 00:33 | <nate> | that's all I was trying to say on :P |
| 00:41 | <Eugene> | dwfreed - did you find my name |
| 00:42 | <Eugene> | Oh sorry, reference manual.Wrong book. |
| 00:53 | <zifnab> | Eugene: which book is your name in |
| 00:53 | <zifnab> | bind for dummies? |
| 00:54 | <Eugene> | None of them, truthfully |
| 00:54 | <Eugene> | But it makes for fun at work meetings occasionall |
| 00:54 | <Eugene> | Its O'Reilly's DNS & Bind |
| 00:54 | <Eugene> | DNSSEC still sucks, so its really all a laugh |
| 00:54 | <millisa> | I have that hard copy up on the shelf... lets see |
| 00:54 | <Eugene> | PKI is goddamned hard |
| 00:59 | <millisa> | hrm. this is a 4th edition copy (2001-ish, bind9 was added) - was it a later ver? |
| 01:02 | <Eugene> | Security chapter, I believe 4ed it was 9? I have 5ed here, where it is Chapter 11, page 282 |
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| 01:02 | <millisa> | and there you are. |
| 01:02 | <millisa> | page 308 in 4th |
| 01:02 | <zifnab> | is it him or his father |
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| 01:03 | <Eugene> | My father. I stylise myself with middle initial E. and suffix Jr, proffessionally |
| 01:03 | <dwfreed> | so your initials are EEK? |
| 01:03 | <dwfreed> | hah |
| 01:03 | <Eugene> | Even though I am technically Eugene III |
| 01:04 | <Eugene> | Yes, although I reserve EEK and ekashp for my father as usernames, because he's historically used those |
| 01:04 | <Eugene> | I get "eugene" |
| 01:04 | <zifnab> | i thought middle names differed enough |
| 01:04 | <zifnab> | or something |
| 01:04 | <zifnab> | /shrug |
| 01:04 | <zifnab> | "I sometimes pay attention when people speak" |
| 01:05 | <Eugene> | Correct. Mine is "Evgenevich", which is why I use E., to indicate the abbreviation |
| 01:05 | <Eugene> | My father's is simply E |
| 01:06 | <zifnab> | also that's closer to a footnote |
| 01:06 | <Eugene> | Your mother |
| 01:06 | <zifnab> | (pdf is trivial to find, as with all o'reilly books) |
| 01:06 | <zifnab> | is a database! |
| 01:06 | <Eugene> | Its the intro paragraph to the chapter on security |
| 01:06 | <zifnab> | that's fair |
| 01:07 | <Eugene> | Also, running your own BIND server is stupid and I don't like it.Make it AWS' problem. |
| 01:07 | <Eugene> | </professional opinion> |
| 01:07 | <zifnab> | oO arrested in toronto of all places |
| 01:07 | <zifnab> | better than quebec i guess |
| 01:07 | <Eugene> | Yeah, that's a story involving the RCMP SWAT |
| 01:08 | <Peng_> | Eugene: Make it AWS's problem by running two BIND servers on t2 instances in the same AZ |
| 01:08 | <Peng_> | Wait... |
| 01:08 | <Eugene> | That was the best xmas though. I got dad back. |
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| 01:09 | <zifnab> | i was 7 |
| 01:09 | <brandon> | do activations normally take this long? |
| 01:09 | <millisa> | brandon: how long is 'this long'? |
| 01:09 | <dwfreed> | it varies wildly, depending on support load |
| 01:09 | <zifnab> | they take sometime between 0 and 1 |
| 01:10 | <brandon> | i iam eager to demo linode |
| 01:10 | <brandon> | and compare it firt hand to vultr and digital ocean |
| 01:10 | <brandon> | but. |
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| 01:10 | <brandon> | TicketID Summary Regarding Status Opened Last Updated 10397836 still waiting Other OPEN 2018-04-29 04:26:20 AM 42 minutes ago by brandb909 2018-04-29 04:32:55 AM 35 minutes ago by aorme |
| 01:10 | <Eugene> | Median ticket response times have increased dramatically in my tenure as a customer. When I started it was often <5 minutes, and sometimes within 60 seconds |
| 01:10 | <Peng_> | Eugene: but now you can get $5 nodes |
| 01:10 | <brandon> | vultr was able to respond before i was even active |
| 01:10 | <Eugene> | I attribute this to their continued success and growth in customers (and thus, workload) |
| 01:11 | <brandon> | my card was billed over an hour ago |
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| 01:11 | <zifnab> | Eugene: oddly, the ham-related-discord-group i'm in was discussing exploits earlier and this came up. |
| 01:11 | <zifnab> | Eugene: i want a github repo of the exploit used. |
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| 01:12 | <Eugene> | I'm not allowed to talk about that code. |
| 01:12 | <zifnab> | i understand. |
| 01:12 | <dwfreed> | as I explained in a forum post a while ago, ticket rates have seen a six-fold increase since 2012/2013; Linode's staff, however, has not seen similar increases |
| 01:13 | <brandon> | the life of a network admin |
| 01:13 | <Eugene> | I believe the expiration date is 2023 |
| 01:13 | <zifnab> | in which case it goes on github right? |
| 01:13 | <Eugene> | Again, I'm not allowed to talk about it |
| 01:14 | <zifnab> | fair. |
| 01:14 | <millisa> | the page - https://ibb.co/h3mjYc |
| 01:15 | <zifnab> | i would frame that and put it above a door |
| 01:15 | <dwfreed> | https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=15880#p76092 |
| 01:16 | <dwfreed> | zifnab: probably kaminsky attack |
| 01:19 | <brandon> | thanks dw |
| 01:19 | <brandon> | man |
| 01:20 | <brandon> | i understand what it is like but i think i will asking for my initial payment refudned |
| 01:20 | <millisa> | i was digging through the api docs on Thursday (trying to find what replaced the /v4/linode/distributions) and noticed the 'class' in /linode/types/$id. mildly interesting that the 3 classes are 'nanode' 'standard' and 'high memory class' |
| 01:20 | <Eugene> | I want a hamnode |
| 01:20 | <millisa> | grilled. with cheese. |
| 01:20 | <dwfreed> | millisa: distro templates have become images |
| 01:21 | <millisa> | thanks. I see it now. didn't thinking to look there. |
| 01:21 | <millisa> | !point dwfreed |
| 01:21 | <linbot> | millisa: Point given to dwfreed. (45) (Biggest fan: mcintosh, total: 8) |
| 01:21 | <brandon> | anyone using lxd on linode? |
| 01:21 | <dwfreed> | millisa: I'm not even sure how I know that, but I do |
| 01:21 | <dwfreed> | might have been git commit summary in -next |
| 01:22 | <@scrane> | brandon: Did you see the response from aorme on your ticket? |
| 01:22 | <millisa> | it was in the 2017-12-11 changelog entry. i missed it and only saw the later one when they removed it |
| 01:23 | <millisa> | the other bit that I ran across that wasn't expected; there was a place to specify cpu counts (it had some note about it being 'if applicable' which probably isn't applicable anywhere yet) |
| 01:23 | <brandon> | yes i received the welcome email about 50 mins ago |
| 01:23 | <brandon> | service@linode.com 9:40 PM (42 minutes ago) to me Welcome to Linode! Your Linode account has been activated. Please log into the Linode Manager to get started: |
| 01:24 | <brandon> | and this is wha thappens when i go into account manager |
| 01:24 | <brandon> | Thank you for completing your signup! Your account is currently being reviewed. You'll receive an email from us after your account has been reviewed, so hang tight! |
| 01:25 | <@scrane> | Hmmmm that's odd. Can you refresh the page? |
| 01:26 | <dwfreed> | sometimes you need to log out and back in |
| 01:26 | <dwfreed> | best way to force a full reload of stuffs |
| 01:26 | <dwfreed> | (stuffs being the technical term) |
| 01:30 | <@scrane> | I think logging out then logging back in may fix the problem. |
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| 01:37 | <brandon> | tried that a few times |
| 01:38 | <brandon> | active now |
| 01:38 | <brandon> | :) |
| 01:40 | <brandon> | bruhhhh |
| 01:40 | <brandon> | i tried to respond to the suppot |
| 01:40 | <brandon> | Access violation I'm sorry, but you've triggered our Cross-Site Request Forgery (CSRF) prevention measure. Please don't use the back-button to resubmit an already-submitted form. |
| 01:41 | <brandon> | well i do appreciate that there is an active irc channel with linode reps |
| 01:42 | <nmelehan> | CSRFs can come up if our website thinks your session has been intercepted by an attacker |
| 01:42 | <nmelehan> | one common reason for this is if you change your local IP in the middle of a session |
| 01:43 | <dwfreed> | or you have a stale tab open |
| 01:44 | <dwfreed> | (and you tried using that stale tab) |
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| 02:18 | <brandon> | things appear to working smoothly now |
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| 04:58 | <Yan> | Hi all! quick question, could not find it.. How am I charged if exceed the 1 TB Transfer ? |
| 05:01 | <@scrane> | You will be billed $0.02/GB beyond the limit you exceed. You can see more about this here: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-payments/#transfer-overages |
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| 05:15 | <Yan> | Great! Thanks for the reply |
| 05:29 | <Zimsky> | !unpoint Eugene |
| 05:29 | <linbot> | Zimsky: Point taken from eugene! (55) |
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| 07:38 | <Woet> | !point scrane |
| 07:38 | <linbot> | Woet: Point given to scrane. (10) |
| 07:38 | <@scrane> | Woohoo! |
| 07:40 | <Woet> | https://twitter.com/thejackthomson_/status/988564354512687104 |
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| 11:09 | <eddie> | hi |
| 11:10 | <linbot> | hi |
| 11:10 | <eddie> | how much would it cost to host my site with u |
| 11:10 | <eddie> | with the following requirements |
| 11:10 | <dwfreed> | potato |
| 11:11 | <eddie> | Server Requirements PHP Version >=5.6 Extensions GD Version - 2.x+ PCRE Version - 7.x+ cURL version - 7.x+ JSON version - 1.x+ mbstring OpenSSL PDO PHP Extension php.ini settings max_execution_time - 180 (not mandatory) max_input_time - 6000 (not mandatory) memory_limit - 128M (at least 32M) safe_mode - off open_basedir - No Value display_error = On magic_quotes_gpc = Off PostgreSQL Version - 9.4+ (preferably 9.3) Nodejs Composer Bower Grunt Nginx - 1+ (p |
| 11:12 | <dwfreed> | eddie: Linode is an unmanaged VPS provider; everything you've listed there (you were cut off after "grunt nginx") would be your responsibility to install and configure |
| 11:12 | <eddie> | oh ok |
| 11:12 | <eddie> | i understand |
| 11:13 | <dwfreed> | You could of course pay somebody to do that bit for you |
| 11:15 | <eddie> | how much would it cost' |
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| 11:58 | <Akashkanaujiya> | Hello |
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| 12:59 | <tafa2> | how's the block storage guys? fast enough to host a site on? |
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| 13:10 | <Woet> | tafa2: sure, but local SSD will always be quciker |
| 13:10 | <Woet> | quicker * |
| 13:10 | <tafa2> | yeah no doubt |
| 13:10 | <tafa2> | just wondering |
| 13:10 | <Woet> | tafa2: https://community.centminmod.com/threads/linode-block-storage-early-access.11985/#post-52259 |
| 13:10 | <tafa2> | I've got a server that's reaching disk capacity |
| 13:10 | <tafa2> | wondering if it's worth upgrading it or slapping some block storage on it |
| 13:11 | <Woet> | i mean, it depends on your site too. most of it will be cached in memory. |
| 13:11 | <Woet> | you could off-load the less important things |
| 13:12 | <Woet> | like images, videos, etc. |
| 13:12 | <Woet> | all of the source code and databases shouldn't be making a big impact in your data usage anyways |
| 13:12 | <Woet> | and thats the stuff you want to be fast |
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| 17:04 | <Eugene> | Every day I'm Linodin' |
| 17:04 | <Eugene> | I would use Block Storage more if it had a Snapshot/Backup feature. |
| 17:17 | <mattmcc> | zfs? :) |
| 17:18 | <waltman> | So would you say that every day you're Block Storin'? |
| 17:21 | <Eugene> | zfs doesn't protect against the underlying storage going bye-bye. RAID is great and all, but "second copy on separate hardware" makes me sleep better |
| 17:22 | <Eugene> | Preferably without having to think about or set anything up - that's why I'm buying Linode |
| 17:22 | <waltman> | Is it why you're Linodin'? |
| 17:24 | <Eugene> | It really is. I used to rent physical servers, then Colo space from HE. I always had Linodes for little things, but nowadays I don't have the physical junk anymore |
| 17:24 | <Eugene> | There's one fileservr at home that I hate, but I can't figure out how to have 25TB(and growing) stored anywhere else, whilestill being able to access it. |
| 17:24 | <waltman> | That's a lot of storage! |
| 17:24 | <Eugene> | For less than a brazillian dollars |
| 17:25 | <Eugene> | 'tis. I like to make fun of things at $DAYJOB that have less usable space than my home setup. IE, all of them. |
| 17:25 | <dzho> | heh |
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| 17:55 | <dwfreed> | Eugene: zfs send |
| 17:56 | <dwfreed> | send it to another LBS volume in another datacenter! |
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| 18:44 | <Eugene> | dwfreed - congrats, thats a 100% premium instead of the Backups 25%. Fail. |
| 18:45 | <Woet> | Eugene: stop being poor |
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| 18:55 | <frogzilla> | hi there, i was wonder if linode has a kind of anti ddos and/or bot protection. in other words, if my website gets attacked do i risk to lose all of my bandwidth? - if not, should i get a cdn as a possible solution? |
| 18:56 | <Woet> | nope |
| 18:56 | <frogzilla> | that answered both questions right..? |
| 18:56 | <Woet> | if you get attacked and it impacts other clients your linode will be nullrouted |
| 18:56 | <Woet> | only the first. |
| 18:56 | <frogzilla> | ah! right! thank you by the way |
| 18:57 | <Woet> | no worries |
| 18:57 | <Woet> | if its just a site, cloudflare is your best bet |
| 18:57 | <Woet> | especially with a plan |
| 18:58 | <frogzilla> | yes i tought so.. ive checked other cdn services but theyr a bit expensiv and some of them won't mitigate more than 10gbps with the 'basic plan' (the cheap one) |
| 19:02 | <millisa> | there's nothing stopping you from using something like cloudflare with linodes behind it |
| 19:03 | <Woet> | Eugene might stop you |
| 19:05 | <frogzilla> | lol .. no i was looking for something 'smaller'. cloudflare is to big for my taste, if they offer that kind of great service for free is probably because they do commercialize some kind of data |
| 19:06 | <frogzilla> | if you do not pay you are probably the product being sold |
| 19:10 | <Woet> | except they sell the product..? |
| 19:10 | <millisa> | $20/month for the low end pro level. |
| 19:11 | <millisa> | the free level is for personal stuff; they want you to try it so you buy the pay for products that have more features (like the waf) |
| 19:11 | <Woet> | they also gets lots of ddos intelligence they can use to protect their enterprise clients |
| 19:21 | <frogzilla> | ok you guys are right, i cant debate. but i also like to opt for the smaller services because the big companies are leading the web to centralization, but in some cases i admit its better to choose the big ones like linode |
| 19:23 | <Woet> | its okay, ill ask the sales team to send you a free tinfoil hat |
| 19:24 | <frogzilla> | :p |
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| 19:50 | <Eugene> | Woet - Yes, because I'm poor I'm instead paying more for a bigger Linode (which has Backups for all of its disks) instead of a smaller one + Block Storage. Good thinking too |
| 19:51 | <Woet> | Eugene: tldr |
| 19:51 | <Eugene> | Have you tried turning yourself off and back on again |
| 19:52 | <dzho> | it would only be fair: They've been turning us off for quite some time already. |
| 19:52 | <Woet> | Eugene: you already turn me on baby |
| 19:53 | <Eugene> | That's $20 |
| 19:53 | <Woet> | thats not what I meant when I told you to stop being poor |
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| 23:50 | <millisa> | i drink, with jam, and bread |
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