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00:24<Abi12>o.o account under review..?
00:24<Abi12>Are all new accounts reviewed?
00:24<dwfreed>no
00:24<MrPPS>suspicious ones
00:25<dwfreed>there's a lot of verification checks performed when you submit your information; if anything smells funny, it gets flagged for manual review
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00:26<Abi12>ahh just wondering. Wasn't sure if something changed.
00:29<MrPPS>nah, been that way for a long time
00:29<MrPPS>Mine did the same nearly 10 years ago :)
00:30<Woet>15 minutes until Falcon 9 launch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apw3xqwsG1U
00:32<millisa>!point Woet
00:32<linbot>millisa: Point given to woet. (20)
00:36<rsdehart>wonder if that works in the middle of a line
00:36<rsdehart>what's the !point Woet
00:36<Woet>:(
00:36<rsdehart>that answers that
00:37<rsdehart>!point Woet
00:37<linbot>rsdehart: Point given to woet. (21)
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06:17<damaranzig>anybody here to answer queries about linode cloud hosting?
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06:31<sssanjaya>hello all
06:31<sssanjaya>I have installed longview but it keep loading in longview tab, anyone help?
06:33<damaranzig>nobody's here to answer queries
06:34<damaranzig>I actually need more information about the linode network
06:35<damaranzig>there are 15 non-active ops
06:36<csnxs>!ask
06:36<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
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06:42<grawity>they're all waiting for queries to be asked
06:43<damaranzig>!ask
06:43<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
06:43<grawity>we're all armed with canned replies here
06:45<damaranzig>how extensive is the linode network ?
06:45<grawity>some things you really need Linode staff for, but most things could have been answered by anyone in the channel (plenty of long-time customers here)
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06:45<grawity>by 'extensive' you mean...?
06:46<damaranzig>by "extensive" I mean how many server do you have per continent?
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06:47<csnxs>!speedtest
06:47<linbot>http://www.linode.com/speedtest
06:47<grawity>I think that's the sort of information that they generally do not disclose
06:47<grawity>(I've seen people try to ask)
06:48<damaranzig>does that mean linode is a "small" network compared to AWS?
06:48<damaranzig>there should be some kind of transparency here, right?
06:49<grawity>I'd probably call it "medium"
06:49<damaranzig>Is it of the same size a s RedHat?
06:50<csnxs>it is big
06:50<damaranzig>which one is "big" ? Linode or RedHat?
06:51<grawity>last I checked, RedHat wasn't a public hosting provider
06:51<damaranzig>RedHat has already sent fliers around for cloud hosting
06:52<grawity>oh, so they just started?
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06:52<w06528109>Your account is currently being reviewed.
06:52<grawity>given that Linode already has a 15 year head start, I would guess it's the larger one
06:53<damaranzig>But to be honest, Linode pricing is VERY tempting but I don't don't want to jump. There are other factors to consider besides pricing
06:53<grawity>"small" is the cheap KVM hosts that pop up in Europe every week, and collapse within a year or two
06:54<w06528109>When can the account be used?
06:54<damaranzig>that's precise what worries me...collapsible cloud hosting networks
06:54<grawity>right
06:54<csnxs>w06528109, soon
06:55<damaranzig>why is Linode SO CHEAP ? I meant only the pricing aspect
06:55<grawity>well, as I mentioned, Linode has been around for 15 years – longer than AWS, longer than DigitalOcean – so I have no worries about my own servers here
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06:56<damaranzig>I have accounts both on GCP and Digital Ocean and was shocked to learn about the Linode pricing scheme
06:56<grawity>(well, *almost* longer than AWS, depending on how you count.)
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06:56<grawity>is there much of a difference? I haven't really compared with DO
06:56<grawity>recently
06:57<damaranzig>Is there comparison study on the web somewhere detailing the specs of all cloud hosting providers?
06:57<csnxs>linode and do's pricing is pretty similar
06:58<damaranzig>I think Linode has one but I forgot where I saw it...can somebody send the link here please?
06:59<damaranzig>But I think it was just a pricing scheme comparison
07:01<dwfreed>Linode's and DO's standard plans are basically identical
07:01<damaranzig>The Linode sign up page goes straight to the payment page and that's worrying?
07:02<damaranzig>Even if it says that you're on a 7 day trial period
07:02<dwfreed>it's not a 7 day trial
07:02<dwfreed>it's a 7 day money back guarantee
07:02<damaranzig>ouch
07:02<dwfreed>you have to deposit at least $5 to start; it's an anti-fraud/abuse measure
07:03<damaranzig>Why does Linode bother about that when AWS and GCP have 1 year free subscription?
07:03<dwfreed>fraud/abuse
07:03<csnxs>you still have to enter your cc to use those
07:04<damaranzig>yeah, but at least I don't get charged
07:04<damaranzig>On Linode it's 5$ upfront payment
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07:04<dwfreed>fraud and abuse are a much larger issue for Linode than for AWS/GCP
07:05<damaranzig>well 5$ isn't really much BUT...
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07:06<dwfreed>if you're not happy in the first 7 days, just cancel and note that you'd like a refund when it asks you why you're cancelling; you'll get a full refund
07:07<damaranzig>like I said, it's really not about the 5$...anyway
07:08<damaranzig>thank you all
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07:50<LouWestin>What’s $5 to try Linode...fast food costs you more...
07:50<LouWestin>I can hardly find information that makes any sense with AWS. It’s all just marketing BS.
07:53<dwfreed>cloud
07:53<dwfreed>cloud cloud
07:53<dwfreed>cloud cloud cloud cloud cloud
07:53<csnxs>blockchain?
07:53<dwfreed>cloud blockchain
07:53<csnxs>cloud... chain
07:53<@bmartin>cloud cloud cloud's the word
07:53<csnxs>block cloud?
07:53<@bmartin>Surfin Cloud?
07:53<dwfreed>cloud blockchain containers
07:53<@bmartin>Cloud Blockbuster
07:53<dwfreed>as a Service (TM)
07:53<csnxs>cloud ghostbuster!
07:53<LouWestin>Lol
07:54<csnxs>services as a service as a service
07:54<@bmartin>I like this
07:54<csnxs>mcintosh as a service
07:54<dwfreed>mcintosh is already a service
07:55<csnxs>!lick mcintosh
07:55<linbot>csnxs: Point given to mcintosh. (66)
07:55<@bmartin>MaaS
08:03<LouWestin>How about this? Change Linode’s name to Linode Cloud Service eh, eh? ;-)
08:03<@bmartin>(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ THIS IS RIDICULOUS
08:04<LouWestin>Ok I tried. lol
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08:08<csnxs>linode as a service when
08:10<Woet>bmartin: where have you been?
08:10<Woet>and wheres bhanks?
08:10<@bmartin>I've been working. I'm not in support any longer but I still lurk in IRC
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08:28<dwfreed>bmartin: you took over for jamie?
08:28<@bmartin>nope she's my boss
08:28<Woet>i hope she beats you
08:28<@bmartin>obviously
08:28<dwfreed>I failed at find, heh
08:29<dwfreed>I met Jamie at pycon
08:29<dwfreed>(last year, when it was in portland)
08:30<@bmartin>nice nice
08:32<dwfreed>I've been gone for so long that there's only 10 people on the employees page (and one that isn't) that were working there when I left
08:32<dwfreed>of those, only 6 were hired before me
08:34<Woet>maybe because you bullied everyone away
08:35<dwfreed>hah
08:36<dwfreed>nah, pretty much everybody who had some sort of development or admin role when I started decided to pursue other opportunities
08:37<dwfreed>several went to pagerduty, I think a couple are still there
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09:25<czmole>Hi, I have an old linode running ubuntu 12.04 and every month a process started that consumes all the CPU the process is ran under www-data and calls ./nhelper -c test --no-auto-update - I searched for that application could not find it. Anyone had something simillar before?
09:28<dwfreed>is it running right now?
09:30<dzho>czmole: you should pursue this question with Canonical through your service arrangement with them
09:30<dzho>since it looks like 12.04 only gets support now for Ubuntu Advantage customers https://blog.ubuntu.com/2017/03/14/introducing-ubuntu-12-04-esm-extended-security-maintenance
09:31<czmole>dwfreed: I have closed it
09:31<dwfreed>dzho: people still run unsupported ubuntu
09:31<dwfreed>it's dumb, but they do it
09:31<czmole>dzho: OK, I thought that is something linode runs ..
09:32<dwfreed>nope, Linode has no access to your server
09:32<dwfreed>czmole: what does 'sudo find / -xdev -name nhelper' output?
09:32<czmole>ok not really having access but having something while provisionging the servers
09:32<czmole>yes, is dumb but not really my call, old software running there
09:32<dwfreed>they wouldn't leave anything behind like that
09:32<czmole>and the ones that really owns it, dont want to upgrade that yet
09:33<czmole>dwfreed: that does not outputs anything
09:33<dzho>technical debt extracts costs one way or another. In this case, it may be through the cost of an unplanned outage due to a security compromise.
09:34<czmole>indeed...
09:34<czmole>thank you for your time!
09:34<dzho>good luck!
09:34<dwfreed>czmole: next time it happens, don't kill it until you find it
09:34<czmole>ok
09:35<czmole>locate and find were not finding it... by name
09:36<czmole>tried like find / -name "*nhelper*" -type f
09:36<dzho>other useful tools include lsof and fuser
09:36<dwfreed>while it's running, you can look at its pwd and probably find it easier
09:38<czmole>ok, thank you
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10:50<Rajat>HI
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10:53<dzho>friendly chap, pity he couldn't stay and chat a while
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10:57<_etecsupport>hi, it's due a wrong server configuration that I'm not able to curl e vhost configured on server from itself?
10:58<dzho>!to _etecsupport paste
10:58<linbot>_etecsupport: Please paste longer snippets over at https://bpaste.net/ and not in the channel
10:58<dzho>if you paste an example that way it might help someone answer your question
10:58<dzho>a good example of the failure you're concerned about would be a good start
10:59<dzho>then, log files of the server
10:59<dzho>then, maybe, configuration files
10:59<dzho>be sure of course not to paste any password or authentication keys
11:00<_etecsupport>I've got a vhost configured in my server and I want tu curl a php script form console "curl -v http://mydomain.com/myscript.php" and command answer with
11:00<_etecsupport>* Trying 172.104.247.202... * connect to 172.104.247.202 port 80 failed: Connection refused * Failed to connect to elas port 80: Connection refused * Closing connection 0
11:01<_etecsupport>from an external machine everithing works as I expected but not from the server itself
11:01<_etecsupport>wget does't work at same
11:02<_etecsupport>the server resolve my domain with server public IP
11:03<dzho>I get "not found" when I try to hit http://172.104.247.202/myscript.php
11:04<_etecsupport>yes because its a multi host server
11:05<_etecsupport>however myscript.php is an example
11:05<dzho>yes, well, that isn't going to help anyone help you figure it out.
11:06<dzho>real output and real configs
11:06<dzho>otherwise ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
11:06<_etecsupport>but this is irrilevant bacause I can't curl or wget http://172.104.247.202 at all
11:06<dzho>ok, good luck.
11:07<_etecsupport>I can only curl or wget localhost or 127.0.0.1 from itself
11:08<_etecsupport>so I'm trying to understand if there's anything wrong with some /etc/hosts configuration or something else
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11:11<grawity>TCP connections do not go through /etc/hosts
11:12<grawity>it is used when programs have a hostname and need to resolve it to an IP address – but you're already giving curl an IP address in the 2nd example
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11:15<_etecsupport>grawity you're write, but do you have any ideas?
11:16<_etecsupport>do you have a linode server? can you curl its public ip from itself?
11:16<grawity>make sure your httpd is actually listening on that IP address (or on 0.0.0.0)
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11:21<_etecsupport>it's listening on port 80 with no specific ip
11:22<_etecsupport>just"Listen 80"
11:23<_etecsupport>tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::*
11:24<_etecsupport>that's from netstat output
11:24<grawity>does `sysctl net.ipv6.bindv6only` output 0 or 1?
11:25<grawity>do you see 172.104.247.202 in the `ip -4 addr` output?
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11:28<_etecsupport>sysctl net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0
11:28<_etecsupport>ip -4 addr
11:28<_etecsupport>1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000 inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever 3: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel state UP group default qlen 1000 inet 172.104.247.202/24 brd 172.104.247.255 scope global eth0 valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
11:31<dwfreed>ss will tell you if the v6only flag was set
11:32<dwfreed>ss -le
11:32<grawity>how do you get that information out of it, exactly? best I could figure out is `ss -ln 'sport = 443'`
11:33<dwfreed>-e flag will have 'v6only:(0|1)'
11:33<grawity>apparently only on Debian
11:34<dwfreed>I only have debian and ubuntu 16.04 systems handy to check with
11:34<dwfreed>oh, the openwrt box might have ss
11:34<dwfreed>or i can install it
11:35<grawity>ok, turns out it only shows v6only:1 but not 0
11:37<dwfreed>ah
11:37<dwfreed>yeah, debian patched it so it shows v6only:0 too
11:37<dwfreed>and openwrt doesn't have the kernel options enabled for -e to work correctly
11:38<grawity>oh, debian actually has more useful patches in it than `ip moo`?
11:39<dwfreed>rofl
11:39<dwfreed>didn't realize that was a thing
11:40<dwfreed>tcp LISTEN 0 128 :::http :::* ino:18424 sk:1cb v6only:0 <->
11:40<grawity>https://bugs.debian.org/312843
11:41<dwfreed>haha
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12:48<jaskal>I'm a bit confused about how private IP addresses are meant to work - I added a private IP via the manager and rebooted the instance (with automatic networking turned on), but there's no sign of another network interface for the new IP address... Running Ubuntu 18.04, is this "expected"?
12:48<dwfreed>it's on the same interface
12:49<dwfreed>'ip addr' should show 2 IPv4 addresses
12:51<jaskal>Ah right, you are correct @dwfreed - thanks. Although I note that I can't actually access it from another instance (in the same datacentre). I turned off the firewall and same result.
12:51<dwfreed>do they both have private IP addresses?
12:52<jaskal>... I'll show myself out.
12:52<dwfreed>hehe
12:52<jaskal>Thanks again - stupid moment from me there.
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13:31<Beribazu>HI, I need some info about linode servers... who can help me ?
13:31<Beribazu>Stuff like processors... and so
13:33<millisa>!ask
13:33<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
13:34<Beribazu>Is there any restrictions on port 25 ?
13:34<millisa>Nope.
13:34<millisa>Other than 'dont spam'
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13:36<Beribazu>Not the idea... thanks... The only way to scale its dto double the server configuration (hardware) or there are other plans that dont appers on the site ?
13:37<millisa>All of them are at https://www.linode.com/pricing#all
13:37<millisa>Other than that, there's some addons (like a block store) at https://www.linode.com/addons
13:37<Beribazu>When it says 1 core... its a VCPU or a dedicated CPU ?
13:38<millisa>not sure that it's actually dedicated; you could fully use it though
13:39<millisa>most of them are xeon e5's and there are a few epyx in the mix.
13:39<Beribazu>last one.... The backup service (payd) is a backup on another machine, or the same ?
13:40<millisa>it's a filebased backup service to something else, not the machine you are on
13:41<Beribazu>but it takes the database and all... like a snapshot of the server... right ?
13:41<millisa>if you have databases, it'd probably be a good idea to regularly dump them out with something
13:41<millisa>otherwise, you have the same potential transactional issues you might have as a system that's had its power switch flipped off
13:42<millisa>last bullet in the limitations section is relevant: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/disk-images/linode-backup-service/#limitations
13:43<millisa>(er, and 'yes' to the core of your question - it's a backup of the whole server, you can spinup a new linode from that backup)
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13:43<flutter_shy>Honestly, if you dump it often, you can observe for errors, and take action when something crops up, before you notice it otherwise, an its too late :P
13:44<Beribazu>Ill have dailay bases backup too... just wandering about that extra one.. thanks
13:44<Beribazu>*daily bases backup
13:46<Beribazu>millisa not shure if there any recomend bonus... but if it does have pass me ur username so i can refer on signing in...
13:46<millisa>no worries, I'm good.
13:46<Beribazu>thank...
13:47<Beribazu>let beggin the process now
13:47<millisa>n/p
13:47<Beribazu>:P
13:47<millisa>good luck
13:47<flutter_shy>Also sorry for jumping in ^_^ I just like logs, errors, and databases being cared for.
13:49<Beribazu>:P I'm a little bit sad about error... just expend 3 days setting up an acc on DO, configuring all im every way possible to find out they just block port 25... so I coulnd send or recieve emails....
13:49<LouWestin>The service and backups work great. The few times I screwed up something, I was able to do a full restore in minutes.
13:50<millisa>Not to support competitors or anything, but a ticket with them can usually get that lifted
13:50<flutter_shy>Port 25 is evil.
13:50*flutter_shy hushes up, quick as she perked up.
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13:55<Beribazu>not....
13:55<Beribazu>tryes for 3 day on suport ticket and they say they wont lift....
13:55<millisa>That's odd
13:55<Beribazu>I have 4 servers running there and they all work on port 25
13:56<Beribazu>I even stated that on the ticket... and they say we wnot do...
13:56<Beribazu>*wont
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13:56<Beribazu>so i end up here :P
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14:01<LouWestin>It’s better for Linode. Plus you got phone support if need be.
14:03<Beribazu>A little bit expensive fron brasil.. :P skype would be better :P
14:03<Beribazu>*from
14:03<LouWestin>Ah... good point!
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14:04<flutter_shy>I'd offer to call by proxy for you; however, I'm a pain to deal with.
14:04<Beribazu>but Its good to try new stuff.... And I'm holping to have a good service here...
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15:16<Beribazu>Still waiting for data confirm... : /
15:26<LouWestin>From who?
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15:52<Beribazu>fron linode...
15:52<Beribazu>*from
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15:53<Beribazu>They make a credit card validation... I got hcarged... but then they ask for an image of the card and my Id....
16:00<DrJ>Beribazu, it's to protect you and linode
16:00<LouWestin>Beribazu: Ah ok.
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19:11<AlexMax>My CPU usage is fine
19:11<AlexMax>but my load average is super duper high
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19:29<Peng>My goal is to achieve 200% CPU usage on a Nanode
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19:30<@scrane>I have some thoughts about that.
19:30<rsdehart>scrane the killjoy :C
19:31<Peng>Eh. scrane sleeps sometime.
19:31<rsdehart>heh heh heh
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19:32<LouWestin>The one time I was hitting 100 percent CPU for a while was due to some brute force hacking clients.
19:33<LouWestin>If they wanted to contribute to my WP blog all they had to do was ask nicely.
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19:37<nyancat>i achieved ~30 load on a 1 core KVM server at a different provider once
19:38<nyancat>That's when we discovered that the tool we use and puppet don't see eye to eye
19:39<nyancat>So puppet was just repeatedly spawning new instances
19:39<staticsafe>(reminder that load average is not just CPU usage)
19:39<nyancat>Indeed
19:41<staticsafe>http://www.brendangregg.com/blog/2017-08-08/linux-load-averages.html this post by Brendan Gregg is a good read on what load averages actually are in Linux
19:43<Peng>Ye olde shared web host would get four-digit load averages when network issues upset NFS
19:46<staticsafe>yep
19:46<Peng>They use local storage now. ;-)
19:51<AlexMax>Does load average figure in steal%?
19:52<staticsafe>good question, I don't know
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20:23<arooni_team_b>what do you folks do for quick & dirty load testing? ab ?
20:23<arooni_team_b>something else?
20:29<MrPPS>yeah, I've used ab fairly often
20:29<trippeh>wrk
20:29<MrPPS>not sure if there's "better" things now
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21:21<Abi12>arooni_team_b: is it a rest api?
21:21<Abi12>or just a normal site.
21:22<Abi12>Google Chrome has this nice add-on called 'RESTful Stress tester'.
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22:34<hanksims>Fremont probz?
22:35<retro|blah>!mtr
22:35<linbot>https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/diagnosing-network-issues-with-mtr
22:35<Peng>Works for me
22:35<Peng>What's going wrong?
22:37<hanksims>Three of my four Fremont Linodes are fine; the other is dead. I've issued a reboot from the Manager, but it seems to be stuck
22:38<Peng>Does lish work?
22:38<Peng>!lish
22:38<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled. https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/using-the-linode-shell-lish
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22:38<hanksims>Yes -- thank you, but Lish is showing me nothing, either.
22:38<Peng>"nothing"?
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22:41<hanksims>Correct. I cannot log into Lish.
22:41<Peng>Can you access lish on your other Linodes?
22:41<hanksims>Yes.
22:41<Peng>Are you using web lish or SSH lish?
22:43<Peng>I'm trying to figure where it's getting stuck. It could be a problem with your Linode, or a problem with the host.
22:43<hanksims>I have tried both.
22:43<Peng>And I don't actually use web lish so I'm not sure how it works. :P
22:43<Peng>If there's a problem with the host, the manager will likely say something by now.
22:44<hanksims>I'm not able to log into Lish on the affected Linode, and in addition that Linode is stuck on "shutdown" after I attempted a reboot
22:45<hanksims>Oh, wait -- I just went to file a ticket, and instead Linode has filed a ticket saying that there's an issue with the hardware
22:45<hanksims>Thank you.
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22:46<Peng>You're welcome! :P
22:46<Peng>!point Peng
22:46<linbot>Peng: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
22:54<Woet>!towel Peng
22:54<linbot>Woet: Point taken from peng! (23)
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22:59<babyrabbit>I did a free upgrade on my linode and now I get this: "Server refused to allocate pty" "stdin: is not a tty" on my SSH any ideas how to fix?
23:07<LouWestin>babyrabbit: Can you access it via Lish?
23:08<babyrabbit>yes
23:09<LouWestin>babyrabbit: Ok. Also, maybe try rebooting the server and see if that help
23:09<babyrabbit>I did. no help :(
23:12<LouWestin>Hmm... ok. I'd send them a support ticket, unless someone knows the answer.
23:12<Woet>babyrabbit: did you try the first result on Google?
23:13<Woet>LouWestin: VPSes are unmanaged and this is not a Linode issue
23:13<babyrabbit>I did, no luck :(
23:13<LouWestin>Woet: K. Wasn't sure.
23:14<Woet>babyrabbit: so MAKEDEV didn't work
23:14<Woet>+ ?
23:14<babyrabbit>nope
23:14<Woet>what about devpts?
23:15<babyrabbit>"/sbin/MAKEDEV pty"
23:15<Woet>and tty too right?
23:16<babyrabbit>yup
23:16<babyrabbit>commands run, but it does not help
23:16<Woet>hm
23:16<babyrabbit>what are devpts ?
23:16<Woet>the second answer: mount devpts /dev/pts -t devpts
23:18<babyrabbit>mount: mount point /dev/pts does not exist
23:19<Woet>welp
23:19<Woet>restore from your backup snapshot and investigate while it's working
23:20<babyrabbit>if I only had one :)
23:20<millisa>is it happening for all users? if you create a new one with bash shell, does it still do it?
23:21<millisa>rephrase - if you create a new one with that account's shell set to bash...
23:23<babyrabbit> i would have to try, never had a need to create users
23:23<babyrabbit>it is very old btw... debian 5.0
23:25<MrPPS>:O
23:25<MrPPS>it's a relic :D
23:25<millisa>relics can still be useful.
23:26<millisa>for instance, I keep the fridge from getting overloaded with both mountain dew *and* pizza.
23:26<babyrabbit>well it worked fine till now! lol
23:27<MrPPS>haha, of course - doesn't dimish their usefulness
23:27<MrPPS>I'd just not heard of anyone using it for AGES
23:29<millisa>ssh'ing with -v, -vv, and -vvv might also give you more hints
23:31<LouWestin>Wow Debian 5!
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23:35<babyrabbit>ok, I'll be back at this tomorrow. thanks for now and goodnight :)
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