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---Logopened Tue Sep 18 00:00:54 2018
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02:49<go89>hi im having problems trying to back up my database
02:49<Woet>such as
02:50<go89>ive entered my linode and typed mysqldump --all-databases > dump-$( date '+%Y-%m-%d_%H-%M-%S' ).sql -u root -p
02:50<go89>but nothing is happening
02:50<go89>do i have to navigate into a specific folder or something?
02:50<go89>im logged in as route
02:50<Woet>go89: where did you get that command from?
02:51<go89>its on the linode help directory
02:51<Woet>go89: I sincerely doubt it.
02:51<Woet>wait, really
02:51<go89>lol so whats the appropriate command
02:51<go89>sorry im not really used to using CLI
02:52<Woet>oh, apparently you can pass arguments like that after redirecting it
02:52<Woet>go89: so there is no dump-2018-09-18_06-52-15.sql file in the directory you're in?
02:52<go89>No there is none
02:52<Woet>(or whatever the date/time of when you ran it)
02:52<Woet>go89: try mysqldump --all-databases -u root -p
02:52<Woet>go89: it also doesn't ask you for a password?
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03:38<go89> hi woet
03:38<go89>sorry i was away from my desk
03:38<go89>but no that does not ask me for my password
03:39<go89>im running ubuntu 16.01
03:41<Woet>go89: so what does "mysqldump --all-databases -u root -p" do?
03:43<go89>nothing it just goes to the next line
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03:44<Woet>go89: screenshot please
03:44<go89>hold on im trying on a different acct to see if theres a diff
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03:46<go89>at woet
03:47<go89>i got a different thing now
03:47<go89>theyre asking me for password
03:47<go89>but they keep denying me access
03:47<go89>are they asking me for the db password or for the user password?
03:47<go89>sorry for wasting your time man
03:47<go89>and thanks so much for the help
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05:55<Karan_>Hi Team,
05:56<Karan_>i just cancel my linode account by mistake how to recover or how to login again
05:56<Karan_>when i trying to login with same login details so there are some issue
05:58<Karan_>error message - — Invalid username or password —
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06:38<Guest737>hello, reported to your abuse mail a hacked domain which you are hosting - mail used Dastan.Brown @
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06:47<Karan_> i just cancel my linode account by mistake how to recover or how to login again [15:26] <Karan_> when i trying to login with same login details so there are some issue
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10:03<linbot>New news from blog: 2018 End of Year Events <>
10:09<AlexMax>Hrm, when is Atlanta getting block storage...
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10:44<DrJ>AlexMax: I was told possibly never last time I asked
10:44<DrJ>appearently there is some logistical issues there
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10:45<AlexMax>oh snap
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11:58<linbot>New news from community: My site is refusing to connect - how do I get it working? <>
11:59<AlexMax>Man, at some point I actually did a spreadsheet that counted the number of incidents per linode region
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12:54<iana>guys my ubuntu server automatically restarted last night and i can't seem to find the reason for it
12:54<iana>the sys logs contain this before the restart ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^
12:54<iana>anyone seen something like this before? i'm worried that the server has been compromised
12:57<millisa>last -x show anything around that time?
13:01<@mcintosh>iana: that is typically not unusual to see in logs after a crash
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13:05<iana>@millisa runlevel (to lvl 5) 4.4.0-134-generi Mon Sep 17 22:55 still running reboot system boot 4.4.0-134-generi Mon Sep 17 22:55 still running
13:06<iana>@mcintosh oh i never seen it before in the logs, thank you was worried that it was something strange
13:07<Peng>iana: It's a representation of null bytes.
13:08<Peng>iana: Due to how filesystems work, the data most recently appended to the file was lost, but the fact that the file had gotten longer was rememembered, so the lost data became zeros.
13:08<AlexMax>^@ is a NULL byte right?
13:14<millisa>!point Peng
13:14<linbot>millisa: Point given to peng. (25)
13:14<Peng>but I lose half a point for typing "rememembered", wtf
13:14<millisa>meh. i learneded something
13:14<AlexMax>it's okay, i said "diriculous" out loud yesterday
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13:36<hdb2>the section here: is not included in the iptables example for v6 on the same page. I have put the rules in my file like this: I need to test it, but before I do does anything look bad about the position of those lines?
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14:41<retro|blah>hdb2: If you're allowing all ICMPv6 anyway, you don't need additional ACCEPT rules for the specific ICMPv6 types.
14:42<retro|blah>That's why it's not included in the example further below.
14:42<retro|blah>Otherwise seems OK.
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14:47<hdb2>well, I've got all of my allow rules at the top, then it hits INPUT -j REJECT and FORWARD -j REJECT, which I took to mean "if it doesn't match the rules above, deny it"?
14:48<retro|blah>Is that meant as a follow-up to what I told you, or as a separate question?
14:49<hdb2>wait. I see my error. apologies.
14:50<hdb2>retro|blah: reading comprehension isn't up-to-speed today :) thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
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16:50<marshmn>short & sweet
16:50<marshmn>polite though, I thought
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17:50<boblamont>I get cpu resource problems using shared or cloud hosting, would that be an issue on one of the linode standard plans?
17:51<Peng>What kind of problems?
17:51<boblamont>the "you're using too many resources so we're going to make your site come up with 403 errors" kind of problems
17:52<LouWestin>How much bandwidth usage are you using a month?
17:52<boblamont>they're vague on what, but i think it's processes, not memory or bandwidth
17:52<LouWestin>And what are you running that’s causing high cpu usage?
17:53<boblamont>it runs a few checks on things regularly, for example, it checks for mail with postie every few minutes
17:54<LouWestin>Hmm... if someone is attempting to hack you or your using a badly coded plugin that can cause high cpu issues
17:54<boblamont>I think it might just be the host is crappy
17:55<LouWestin>Probably lol
17:55<boblamont>this was happening on shared, then they sold me on cloud, everythign was fine for a couple of months, now I'm getting the problem again and very little has changed
17:56<LouWestin>Linode will give you more of a better idea if you’re running into resource issues because you can monitor it yourself
17:56<LouWestin>Plus you can upgrade if need be.
17:57<dwfreed>fwiw, Linode is not capable of making your site 403 because you're using a lot of resources
17:58<boblamont>As I understand vps vs shared environments, it really doesn't matter how many processes I'd be using, as long as they don't eat up too much memory. Is that right?
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18:00<LouWestin>You’ll have performance issues if you use too much ram, but you can upgrade
18:01<LouWestin>But you can use htop to see where you’re at
18:02<boblamont>right, but on shared, they cap the actual number of processes, no matter how much or little memory, so I could run a dozen processes that use 1 MB of RAM, and someone else could run 8 that use 25 MB and I'd be considered to be using more resources...
18:03<boblamont>in terms of processes
18:03<LouWestin>They don’t count processes here.
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18:04<LouWestin>If you have 100 running it doesn’t matter more or less. If they’re really causing a load then you’ll run into site issues.
18:05<boblamont>ok, that's how I understood it to work
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18:06<boblamont>I can stick something like webmin on it for setting up email and stuff?
18:07<millisa> even
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18:10<LouWestin>You can start with the Nano plan and then move up if need be.
18:11<phlux>webmin handles mail now? for multiple domains?
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18:12<boblamont>I'm looking at Linode 2GB. That looks like it has more than enough of everything.
18:12<millisa>Linode 2GB - zero cowbell.
18:14<Abi12>The 1GB plan is pretty strong as well. I can have around 80-90~ concurrent connections on my game without any issues.
18:15<boblamont>according to my bandwidth reports, I hit 80 GB, and regularly get around 50ish, so the 1GB should be ok, but for $5 difference, the leeway seems safer
18:17<rsdehart>boblamont: fortunately, it's easy to migrate if you find 1GB isn't enough
18:17<rsdehart>normally takes minutes
18:18<Abi12>^ and it's quick. I've never had to wait more than 25 minutes.
18:20<Abi12>phlux: Yeah it does. It uses postfix virtual domain hosting. I've never actually messed with it though.
18:20<boblamont>would I be able to use a Let's Encrypt ssl certificate?
18:21<millisa>you get root access to the system; you can do most anything (that is legal)
18:22<boblamont>(I kind of know most of these things, but after the train wreck of my current host, I'm just going through and asking about anything I can think of...)
18:22<Abi12>heh shared hosting is a nightmare.
18:22<millisa>page through the guide at it gives you an idea of what you are looking at
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18:26<LouWestin>I went from InMotion hosting to Linode. Never looked back. I think it’s been four years now.
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18:35<boblamont>the only concern I have moving away from a shared environment is that I at least have an idea where to look for help, but I want to leave something in place that any idiot can keep running
18:36<millisa>linodes *are* unmanaged, so it would be up to you to troubleshoot things and such. most of us are special kinds of idiots.
18:38<Abi12>Does shared hosting provide free professional support?
18:38<boblamont>it depends on your definition of professional...
18:39<boblamont>but yeah, the unmanaged bit is what I'm concerned about... I feel like I'm a special kind of idiot, but I'm worried about the run of the mill idiots...
18:40<boblamont>I figure I can set up webmin, so email isn't hard and they'd mostly be dealing with the wordpress backend, bit I do worry about them dealing with software updates and such
18:40<LouWestin>Is this a site for a business client or yourself?
18:41<LouWestin>Debian updates are easy.
18:41<boblamont>it's an organization of which I am a part, but won't always be there...
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18:42<Abi12>If you're capable of doing of it, just a leave a document outlining how to do basic system tasks before you leave. *shrugs*
18:43<LouWestin>Well... they do offer managed but it starts at $100 a month. Other option might be train the other person how do updates etc. keep a good document of everything
18:43<dzho>the problem with "leave a document" is that that sometimes turns into "leave a document that teaches someone how to be a Linux sysadmn"
18:43<dzho>which is, as they say, beyond the scope
18:43<LouWestin>I mean apt-get update && apt-get upgrade press y
18:43<Abi12>heh yeah. If webmin suddenly decides to stop working.
18:43<Abi12>They're in trouble.
18:44<boblamont>yeah, I'm writing a lot of those... as long as I'm there, they don't seem to do a good job following along, I'm hoping that's only because they know I'm around to do it for them
18:45<Abi12>It's their responsibility to hire professional support then. Unmanaged is cheap but requires an experienced touch when things go haywire.
18:46<LouWestin>I suppose you could also offer (name your price) remote support if need be.
18:47<boblamont>At this point, I feel like it's more merciful to give them a bigger learning curve than to subject them to the hopeless tech support on shared hosting
18:49<LouWestin>And it’s probably more secure too. Which is probably subjective lol
18:50<boblamont>Yeah, there have been some shared host vulnerabilities exploited in the past... finding and fixing those is a whole other learning curve they'd have to deal with
18:51<boblamont>I think I've talked myself out of any notion that they will have it easier with shared hosting
18:52<LouWestin>A higher learning curve is better than your shared host dropping you due to “resource overuse”.
18:52<boblamont>and any kind of torture is better than having to have a support chat with them
18:52<LouWestin>LOL probably that too!
18:53<boblamont>thanks for the discussion, I appreciate being able to talk myself through this
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18:56<LouWestin>Np. Also signup for the Debian security email list or Ubuntu whichever OS you run. And Linode’s status thing too. This way you know what’s going on and when updates are available
18:57<boblamont>will do
18:57<LouWestin>And test everything before you pull the plug. Good luck!
18:57<LouWestin>Always. :-)
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