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---Logopened Sat Sep 22 00:00:00 2018
00:00<millisa>http://www.postfix.org/TUNING_README.html#hammer
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00:00<millisa>they sort of talk about it there
00:10<Abi12>oof 5 days of retries?
00:10<Abi12>I thought it'd be 24 hours max.
00:10<millisa>if you don't lower it
00:10<Abi12>ahh as a default I mean ~.
00:10<Abi12>It sucks people are moving to exchange now.
00:10<dwfreed>mailservers were originally designed in the days when it might have been 48 hours between dialing into the network to get your mail
00:11<millisa>exchange has similar behavior
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00:13<Abi12>oh boy. 'dialing'. It reminds me of a project that my company took in, where they had to remotely connect to game machines via dial-up.
00:13<Abi12>game machines - like the one in gas stations.
00:14<Abi12>They used windows rasdial API I think.
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01:29<Mahesh>what is the control panel support you have
01:29<millisa>These are vps that you get root access to. You can install whatever panel you want. Or none.
01:30<Mahesh>any support available for installation of Cpanel
01:30<Woet>Mahesh: www.linode.com/managed
01:30<millisa>!cpanel
01:30<linbot>Install cPanel on CentOS: https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/cms/cpanel-on-centos Linode does not sell cPanel licenses, but it's provided free to Linode Managed customers: https://www.linode.com/managed Or try a free panel like Webmin: https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/cms/webmin-control-panel Or just use the command line: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/linode-beginners-guide/
01:31<Mahesh>ok
01:31<Mahesh>what is the additional cost for managed servoces
01:32<Woet>Mahesh: www.linode.com/managed
01:34<Mahesh>its $100
01:34<Mahesh>got it
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02:41<bumbleVole>Abi12: nah man, i would have given up much earlier
02:41<bumbleVole>i REALLY appreciate it!
02:42<millisa>!point Abi12
02:42<linbot>millisa: Point given to abi12. (1)
02:43<bumbleVole>:)
02:43<bumbleVole>oh nah woman* equality <3
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06:04<Woet>bumbleVole: are you done?
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08:25<crt>Linode can support Plesk or cPanle
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08:26<crt>?
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08:30<Woet>crt: Linode supports whatever Linux supports.
08:30<Woet>crt: do note it's entirely up to you to install, configure and maintain Plesk/cPanel.
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09:27<linbot>New news from community: Set public IP pool as default <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/17195>
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13:42<grawity>wondering – on Linode's network, is there a noticeable performance difference between traffic within the same 'shared' 2a01:7e00::/64 (which I suppose is directly switched) vs traffic to a dedicated /64 (which goes through Linode's routers)?
13:44<Peng>Latency or throughput? Latency via the routers can be lower if it saves you extra neighbor discovery roundtrips.
13:48<trippeh>they most likely both go through the routers.
13:48<trippeh>the same routers, that is
13:49<trippeh>just with or without a nexthop.
13:49<trippeh>(the nexthop beeing you)
14:03<grawity>trippeh: why would they go through a router if the routing table says they don't have to?
14:08<trippeh>why would they have an extra set of routers for customer routed prefixes? its probably the same router that routes the shared prefix.
14:09<grawity>uh, because normally traffic within the same prefix doesn't go through a router at all?
14:09<grawity>that's kind of the point of a "subnet"
14:09<trippeh>oh - we are talking about traffic both to and from within the DC arent we
14:11<grawity>yeah, I'm talking about same /64 on the same ethernet domain within the same DC, vs different /64's on the same ethernet domain within the same DC
14:11<trippeh>depends. in my networks l2 switching and l3 routing tends to be the same ASICs
14:12<trippeh>in which case it woulnt matter much except for maybe a arp/nd lookup if uncached.
14:12<grawity>Peng: mainly wondering about throughput of long-lived connections (e.g. NFS or CIFS); I assume neighbor info would be cached most of the time
14:13<grawity>I have zero experience with anything beyond software routing, tbh
14:14<grawity>I guess I can imagine how a "L3 switch" would provide the same results in both cases
14:14<Peng>Depending on how busy the connection is -- or how busy the system is -- neighbor stuff may or may not have a good cache hit rate. I dunno how long it's cached.
14:15<trippeh>iirc linode uses some nexus thing with "fabric extenders", not sure how l2 vs l3 moves with those
14:16<Peng>unless it's all Level Cloud
14:17<trippeh>cisco proprietary magic
14:20<dwfreed>they don't use the fabric extenders anymore
14:21<dwfreed>I mean, they can't
14:21<Peng>were they overextended?
14:21<dwfreed>fabric extenders are gigabit; hosts now run 40gbit links
14:22<dwfreed>this is after my time, so I can only speculate, but I imagine it's 4 10gbit bonded links
14:23<grawity>iirc, 4x10G is what a 40G link is anyway, isn't it
14:25<dwfreed>yes, but I think that the difference between qsfp and lacp is that you can actually push 40gbit over one connection with qsfp, whereas with lacp you can't
14:25<dwfreed>(lacp doesn't have a per-packet round-robin mode)
14:30<trippeh>qsfp adds some buffering to deal with packet ordering yes, instead of hashing
14:30<dwfreed>pft, who needs ordering
14:31<trippeh>there are 10G fabric extenders btw
14:31<trippeh>at least nowadays
14:32<trippeh>but you are probably more up to date on what linode does than I :P
14:32<@mcintosh>walks UDP packet into bar A.
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14:33<dwfreed>mcintosh: :D
14:33<dwfreed>trippeh: the move to 40 gbit hosts was after I left; I just know the fabric extenders they had were gigabit
14:34*trippeh got a 32 port 40G QSFP+ switch powering his home ;)
14:34<trippeh>40G to the HTPC ftw
14:34<dwfreed>trippeh: yuno 100G?
14:34<dwfreed>:D
14:34<trippeh>should indeed "borrow" some 100G from work
14:35<Peng>A checksumless UDP packet walks into an alley
14:35<trippeh>dwfreed: the 40G switch was $600 on ebay tho
14:36<@mcintosh>!point Peng
14:36<linbot>mcintosh: Point given to peng. (26)
14:40<trippeh>I break out most of the ports I use to 4x10G. should be sufficient amount of 10G ports for a while
14:41<trippeh>the work switches can break out 128 25G ports from 1U. madness.
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14:42<montigny34>hola
14:43<trippeh>you do want to keep a couple QSFP28's for uplinks though. so more like 120 in practice.
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15:50<csnxs>mcintosh, I also have a udp joke for you:
16:10<dwfreed>!point csnxs
16:10<linbot>dwfreed: Point given to csnxs. (12) (Biggest fan: mcintosh, total: 8)
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17:06<GeorgePro>Hi
17:06<GeorgePro>Whats your bandwidth limit between two VMs on a private network?
17:08<tmberg>None. If it is at the same location.
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18:09<dwfreed>tmberg: the throughput limit is applied at the interface level, so private network traffic is combined with public network traffic
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22:00<bumbleVole>Woet: done?
22:01<dwfreed>bumbleVole: you were joining and quitting roughly every minute
22:03<bumbleVole>this am?
22:03<bumbleVole>I'm sorry
22:03<dwfreed>yeah
22:03<bumbleVole>not sure why that happens. i leave my laptop open, after 15 mins of inactivity, it is supposed to go to sleep
22:03<bumbleVole>it has happened before, but unsure why
22:03<dwfreed>and then it wakes up regularly to do things
22:04<dwfreed>and your irc client reconnects
22:04<bumbleVole>oh
22:04<bumbleVole>is there a way to tell my irc client to not reconnect unless i activate the mouse in the window or something?
22:04<bumbleVole>i don't' want to turn off autojoin
22:04<dwfreed>I'd probably just tell it to disconnect before going to sleep
22:05<bumbleVole>hm, my options are (1) connect when textual opens (2) perform reconnect on disconnect (3) perform reconnect when waking from sleep
22:06<dwfreed>probably just disable 3
22:06<bumbleVole>the downside of unchecking (3) is when i actually want to wake up the computer, then i have to reconnect manually, rather than it connect for me and run in the background
22:06<bumbleVole>another thing to remember
22:06<dwfreed>could disable power nap in os x
22:06<dwfreed>but that means it won't sync mail while sleeping either
22:07<bumbleVole>which is fine
22:07<bumbleVole>yeah, that sounds like the better thing to do
22:07<bumbleVole>or maybe i should setup znc instead
22:08<bumbleVole>thats probably the longterm solution
22:09<bumbleVole>i don't use time machine, although i should. that's the downside of turning off powernap, from what i can tell
22:09<bumbleVole>hmmmm
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22:24<Woet>or just use an IRC bouncer like a pro
22:28<dwfreed>Woet: he did mention znc
22:28<Woet>i was too lazy to read all of it
22:28<Woet>or any for that matter
22:28<dwfreed>heh
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22:51<nyancat>Woet: lol
22:51<nyancat>lazy people++
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