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02:11 | <linbot> | New news from community: How to use MX records to make use of Gmail mail server <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/17281> |
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03:41 | <linbot> | New news from community: Wordpress stackscript broken for Ubuntu. Did it work for you? <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/17282> |
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05:32 | <linbot> | New news from community: apt-get update and upgrade question on Ubuntu 18 <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/17283> |
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07:04 | <Juan6pa> | Hi |
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08:57 | <girmangus> | hellow |
08:58 | <@mcintosh> | hi! |
08:58 | <girmangus> | anybody who can help me regarding linode |
08:59 | <@mcintosh> | mostly everybody here can provide some guidance |
08:59 | <@mcintosh> | !ask |
08:59 | <linbot> | If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/ |
09:02 | <girmangus> | i want to transfer my hosting to linode if they offer me the same service as bluehost |
09:02 | <@mcintosh> | we have some similar offerings to bluehost |
09:02 | <@mcintosh> | what are you looking for specifically? |
09:03 | <girmangus> | i need speed and root access |
09:03 | <@mcintosh> | Linode is very fast and offers root access |
09:03 | <DrJ> | girmangus: you get full root access to your linode |
09:04 | <@mcintosh> | !point DrJ |
09:04 | <linbot> | mcintosh: Point given to drj. (7) |
09:04 | <DrJ> | as for speed, it will be much faster than bluehost for sure |
09:04 | <DrJ> | the pricing page shows you the "speed" for each plan |
09:05 | <DrJ> | https://www.linode.com/pricing |
09:05 | <girmangus> | i need to send as many as i want email to my clients, mysql php version and domain and SSL |
09:05 | <DrJ> | you can easily install mysql and php and send as many emails as you want |
09:05 | <DrJ> | as for SSL, I'd recommend looking into letsencrypt |
09:06 | <grawity> | Linode is not a webhost: you can have mysql php and SSL, but it's your job to install them |
09:06 | <DrJ> | linode itself does not offer SSL certs |
09:06 | <DrJ> | https://linode.com/docs/security/ssl/install-lets-encrypt-to-create-ssl-certificates/ |
09:08 | <DrJ> | girmangus: to put it in simple terms... imagine you install a linux distro on your home computer. Whatever you can install or do with that installation you can do with a linode |
09:08 | <DrJ> | and as grawity said, it's your job to install and configure everything |
09:08 | <girmangus> | seems awesome though i have to buy and do things from 3rd parties? |
09:09 | <DrJ> | lets encrypt is free, if that is what you are referencing to |
09:09 | <DrJ> | everything you have mentioned so far is completely free |
09:09 | <girmangus> | i want to have the https for seo |
09:10 | <DrJ> | you should use https regardless, but yea |
09:10 | <DrJ> | see the link I pasted above |
09:11 | <DrJ> | lets encrypt is quickly becoming the most popular certificate authority |
09:11 | <DrJ> | if not already |
09:11 | <girmangus> | i have already purchased it in bluehost and do i have to buy another if u transfer to linode |
09:11 | <DrJ> | heh |
09:12 | <DrJ> | again, lets encrypt is 100% free |
09:12 | <DrJ> | I wouldn't even bother with the cert you bought from bluehost |
09:12 | <DrJ> | because someday you'll have to renew it and pay again |
09:12 | <girmangus> | ok how long it takes to make a website live |
09:12 | <DrJ> | the days of paying for a ssl cert are over |
09:13 | <DrJ> | if you are still paying you are a sucker |
09:13 | <DrJ> | that depends on your skills |
09:14 | <DrJ> | if you know what you are doing, you could transfer from bluehost to linode in an hour or two and have it live on linode... the only real limit is dns cache/propagation |
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09:14 | <girmangus> | hm then let me try it |
09:14 | <DrJ> | https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/migrate-to-linode/ |
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09:16 | <girmangus> | it's fast right? |
09:16 | <DrJ> | again the pricing page shows the "speed" for each plan https://www.linode.com/pricing |
09:18 | <girmangus> | thank u i think the $10 is fine for for a couple of thousands users? |
09:18 | <DrJ> | that's hard to say girmangus |
09:19 | <girmangus> | so can u assist me ? |
09:19 | <DrJ> | if you are running a simple website then probably |
09:19 | <DrJ> | however, if you are running some major streaming service then possibly not |
09:20 | <girmangus> | how about a more specific for jobs and bids users |
09:20 | <DrJ> | you can easily switch to a larger plan after the fact |
09:20 | <DrJ> | so you could start with the $10 plan and if it doesn't work out you can easily upgrade |
09:20 | <DrJ> | I don't understand your last question |
09:21 | <girmangus> | sound ok with the upgrading |
09:22 | <girmangus> | my website is for local job/vacancy and Bid/Tender announcement |
09:22 | <tharkun> | Take bandwidth and processing power into your equation and that will tell you exactly what you need. Mage a guesstimate is not good enough. |
09:22 | <DrJ> | girmangus, most likely the $10 plan will meet your needs, but again there is no way anyone here can tell you for sure |
09:23 | <girmangus> | i got you DrJ to be honest i'm paying around $15 on bluehost and i'm not satisfied with the speed since my clients are from Ethiopia |
09:24 | <tharkun> | girmangus: Logical distance and latency are also stuff to consider. |
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09:25 | <DrJ> | girmangus, are you currently on a shared hosting plan with them? If so, those alway suck, not matter the provider |
09:25 | <girmangus> | that is why i'm considering the london or Frankfurt location |
09:25 | <girmangus> | shared though pro version |
09:26 | * | tharkun can't control that which can not be measssured. |
09:26 | <DrJ> | girmangus: yea, that's a rip off |
09:26 | <girmangus> | hope u guys will give me the speed and performance |
09:27 | <DrJ> | every linode gets a dedicated IP, even the $5 plan... SSL again is 100% free through lets encrypt (over 50 million sites use lets encrypt). Linode doesn't do domain registration, but you can get that for around $10 with most registars. |
09:27 | <girmangus> | hm they charge me for $17 |
09:29 | <girmangus> | so i need only the domain registration and dns to migrate to you guys? |
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09:30 | <DrJ> | girmangus: if you switch away from bluehost you will want to at some point transfer your domain to another registar. I use namecheap and they are around $10/yr for most tlds. |
09:30 | <DrJ> | But right now you could leave it on bluehost, assuming your domain isn't about to expire, and just switch the dns to point to your linode IP |
09:31 | <girmangus> | i like this |
09:32 | <girmangus> | inorder to make a smooth migration can i use ip or anything since i don't like my clients to see the back work? |
09:33 | <DrJ> | girmangus: the way I have done it is I get everything working on the new server. I modify my local hosts file to point to the new server/IP so only I see the new server |
09:35 | <DrJ> | once I feel confident everything is working I then make the public DNS change. After I'm confident the DNS switch has fully propagated and everything is good I shut down the old server |
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09:35 | <girmangus> | before i modify my current website to point to the new one i want to see the new server is working well |
09:36 | <@scrane> | That's smart! You can do that by editing your local hosts file on your computer to point to the new IP address. |
09:36 | <DrJ> | as I just said, you can easily do that by modifying your local hosts file |
09:36 | <DrJ> | and as scrane just said :) |
09:38 | <girmangus> | :) thank you guys for your time i will start the journey now |
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09:47 | <DrJ> | good luck |
09:48 | <DrJ> | there's always people here willing to help but again you are switching from shared hosting to your own server now which means you have to install, configure, and maintain everything yourself |
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10:03 | <linbot> | New news from community: Configure proper line wrapping for lish <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/17284> |
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10:33 | <linbot> | New news from community: What happened to eth0:1 private networking interface? <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/17285> |
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12:17 | <Drew> | I have a question, are we able to use whmcs with our linode server? |
12:18 | <grawity> | if you install it yourself, then sure |
12:18 | <warewolf> | whmcs? |
12:19 | <warewolf> | oh, a web hosting billing platform thing |
12:19 | <Drew> | Yeah :D |
12:19 | <Drew> | Awesome thanks, been a year or so since I messed with whmcs. Thanks guys |
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12:31 | <linbot> | New news from kernels: Latest 32 bit (4.18.16-x86-linode138) <https://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1541525258#137> || Latest 64 bit (4.18.16-x86_64-linode118) <https://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1541525248#138> |
13:01 | <guzzlefry> | Is Linode able to upgrade my current instance without any issues? |
13:01 | <guzzlefry> | Mostly concerned about disk resizing. |
13:03 | <@mcintosh> | it requires a migration for the plan upgrade and a reboot for the disk resize |
13:03 | <@mcintosh> | those are the only "issues" |
13:03 | <@mcintosh> | it is safe to e.g. upgrade the plan and then subsequently resize the disk(s) to a larger size |
13:04 | <@mcintosh> | but, You Should™ take backups when doing that sort of thing anyways |
13:11 | <frailtyy> | hmmmm |
13:11 | <frailtyy> | sup macdaddy mcintosh |
13:18 | <@mcintosh> | n2mjc hbu? |
13:18 | <frailtyy> | p chill. relaxing rain n stuff. |
13:23 | <guzzlefry> | Is CPU power similar between the 1GB and 2GB plans? I know both are single core, but I'm wondering if the 2GB has any boost. |
13:24 | <frailtyy> | It's the same virtual cpu cores. |
13:24 | <LouWestin> | Just memory |
13:24 | <frailtyy> | THICC CPU CORES™ |
13:24 | <LouWestin> | A memory boost I mean. |
13:25 | <guzzlefry> | dang okay :/ I decided to use Gentoo for this. It's a bit painful. :P |
13:25 | <frailtyy> | p normal gentoo experience tbh |
13:25 | <frailtyy> | just gotta hang out with fedora or ubuntu. super needs suiting. |
13:26 | <guzzlefry> | Seems like it compiles faster on my AMD Turion II NEO N54L. :P |
13:27 | <tharkun> | Good $DAY I am tracing some isues with the performance of some in house apps. Is there a standard kernel that linode uses or some set of patches needed to seemleslly interactuate with Linode's infrastructure? |
13:29 | <LouWestin> | https://www.linode.com/kernels |
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13:43 | <tharkun> | LouWestin: Thanks the isue is simple 2.6 kernel flys in circle with the same app as in the latest greatest version. I have a strong feeling that something within is slowing it down and I have no clue on how to debug it. If you happen to know a tool or document that could guide me on this quest I would appreciate it. ( a google term would suffice ) |
13:45 | <LouWestin> | I believe you can compile a kernel if need be. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong. |
13:48 | <LouWestin> | There is the option on Linode’s manager to simply select the latest or other from a list on the linode control panel. |
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13:57 | <tharkun> | LouWestin: IIRC I have two linodes but this is a total experiment looking for some "information" which I have no clue to whether it is real or a goose chase. Yet I have to find the b_o__ "why it is happening". |
14:03 | <LouWestin> | Only one way to find out if it’s the kernel or not! LOL |
14:03 | <goose> | Don't chase me pls :( |
14:06 | <Drew> | ^ lol poor goose |
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14:40 | <frailtyy> | LouWestin: You're right with regards to compiling a custom kernel, installing it in the distro and flipping the switch to distro provided kernel. |
14:41 | <LouWestin> | Ok. I was 99% sure, but wanted to err on the side of caution. |
14:42 | <LouWestin> | Who says Linode is restrictive?? Pfff... |
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14:54 | <arby> | something up in Fremont? 'status' page shows operational, but *all* my access to any/all Linodes there is down ... no ping, no lish, nada. |
14:57 | <arby> | hm. no official response, used to that. but no snarky comments from userland? zounds!! is this mic on? |
14:57 | <DrJ> | arby: I have one linode in fremont, it's responding just fine |
14:58 | <LouWestin> | Check the manger maybe? |
14:58 | <arby> | DrJ: Thx. Maybe machine specific (but for 3 different hosts?) ... LouWestin yep, checking further now |
14:59 | <DrJ> | arby: that is odd |
14:59 | <arby> | Ah "An issue affecting the physical host this Linode resides on has been detected." ... |
15:00 | <arby> | So much for status-n-notifications! |
15:00 | <dwfreed> | status.linode.com will only show large-scale outages |
15:00 | <DrJ> | odd if it's a host issue for it to affect all 3 of them |
15:01 | <arby> | Yep re: odd. 1 of the 3 is up again ... |
15:01 | <LouWestin> | arby: K |
15:01 | <arby> | (Gotta be an early HappyHour 'round town ...) |
15:02 | <arby> | "we feel the most prudent course of action is to migrate your Linode to new hardware" |
15:03 | <arby> | Margaritas -n- chips! |
15:03 | <LouWestin> | Maybe they’ll put you on the AMD chip. ;-) |
15:07 | <arby> | Alas, nope: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2680 v3 @ 2.50GHz |
15:09 | <arby> | Not sure what this tells me, TBH: cat /proc/cpuinfo -> ... "bugs : cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2 spec_store_bypass l1tf" ... |
15:09 | <LouWestin> | Ok. Are things back up and running? |
15:09 | <arby> | Seemingly so. |
15:10 | <arby> | Checking all the usual beeswax now ... |
15:10 | <LouWestin> | That was quick. |
15:10 | <arby> | Musta been a bonfire! easily noticed ... |
15:11 | <dwfreed> | arby: that just means the CPU has bugs that the kernel has to apply mitigations for |
15:11 | <arby> | Still, would've been nice to get SOME form of proactive notice ... your suggest to 'check Manager' was the obvious choice. |
15:11 | <dwfreed> | proactive is not always possible |
15:12 | * | arby considers his notification settings ... |
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15:25 | <frailtyy_> | got disconnected :( |
15:25 | <frailtyy_> | but i cant be stopped |
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15:39 | <knnth> | is the old manager.linode.com going to be disabled, now that cloud.linode.com exists? |
15:39 | <frailtyy_> | Not until cloud.linode.com is considered the default, most likely. |
15:40 | <knnth> | cloud hides a LOT of important settings :| |
15:40 | <knnth> | hope manager stays. it's fast, compact, simple and informative. |
15:41 | <grawity> | you're assuming cloud is finished and done |
15:42 | <knnth> | i know it's been in beta for a while, but i got a "cloud manager has arrived!" banner today |
15:46 | <DrJ> | hmm, did they take it out of beta? |
15:46 | <knnth> | the banner made me think so, but doing some digging i don't see any kind of announcement, so grawity i hope you're right in that it's not done |
15:47 | <DrJ> | I like the new cloud one, although one thing that urks me with it is they don't have domain groupings in the dns manager |
15:47 | <DrJ> | when you have many domains in there it's nice to have the grouping the manager offers |
15:48 | <DrJ> | they don't have groups for linodes either |
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15:50 | <Peng> | Hey what |
15:50 | <Peng> | That makes the 30 or 40 seconds I've spent entering domain grouping information feel wasted :< |
15:51 | <@mcintosh> | not out of beta |
15:51 | <@mcintosh> | just a fancy new banner to entice people to try it out |
15:52 | <@mcintosh> | display groups are deprecated - but you can tag things now |
15:52 | <@mcintosh> | working on rolling out full tag support in the new interface |
15:52 | <@mcintosh> | knnth: not done |
15:53 | <knnth> | ok, sweet :) |
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15:57 | <relidy> | mcintosh: Is there a way to dismiss the "fancy new banner"? |
15:57 | <DrJ> | what's the difference between groups and tagging? |
15:58 | <@mcintosh> | DrJ: can't be in multiple groups, but can be tagged multiple tags |
15:58 | <@mcintosh> | relidy: currently, no |
15:59 | <DrJ> | mcintosh lies |
15:59 | <DrJ> | https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/customblocker/elnfhbjabfcepfnaeoehffgmifcfjlha?hl=en |
15:59 | <DrJ> | use something like that :) |
15:59 | <@mcintosh> | !point DrJ |
15:59 | <linbot> | mcintosh: Point given to drj. (8) |
15:59 | <DrJ> | :) |
16:04 | <linbot> | New news from community: How do I properly update a StackScript using the CLI? <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/17286> |
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18:34 | <guzzlefry> | Do I have to select some special kernel to get Docker working in Gentoo? |
18:37 | <guzzlefry> | "Error starting daemon: Error initializing network controller: error obtaining controller instance: failed to create NAT chain DOCKER: iptables failed: iptables --wait -t nat -N DOCKER: iptables v1.6.1: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)" |
18:46 | <Woet> | guzzlefry: what did you try so far to resolve it? |
18:47 | <guzzlefry> | Woet: I'm trying to see if switching the kernel config in Linode from GRUB2 to a newer kernel helps. |
18:47 | <Woet> | guzzlefry: what about modprobe? |
18:47 | <frailtyy_> | If you're using the GRUB2 boot then that is distro supplied kernel. |
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18:51 | <guzzlefry> | frailtyy: ah, I thought if I used my own kernel compiled on the system, rather than the Linode kernels, that I'd be missing integration features. |
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18:53 | <guzzlefry> | okay, using that Linode kernel results in the same error. |
18:54 | <Woet> | guzzlefry: what about modprobe? |
18:54 | <guzzlefry> | Woet: What am I doing with that? >_> |
18:54 | <Woet> | guzzlefry: you didn't Google the error? |
18:55 | <guzzlefry> | uh, I tried. |
18:55 | <guzzlefry> | Google has been garbage for me lately. :/ |
18:55 | <Woet> | https://www.google.nl/search?q="Table+does+not+exist+(do+you+need+to+insmod%3F)" |
18:55 | <Woet> | or https://www.google.nl/search?q="can%27t+initialize+iptables+table+%60nat%27%3A" |
18:56 | <guzzlefry> | okay, the ip_tables module isn't available in this kernel. |
18:56 | <Woet> | that's very odd. |
18:57 | <guzzlefry> | Yes, given "We’re pleased to announce that Linode now supports Docker right out of the box." https://blog.linode.com/2014/01/03/docker-on-linode/ |
18:57 | <guzzlefry> | To be fair that was almost 5 years ago. |
18:57 | <Woet> | like, I've never saw a kernel without iptables |
18:57 | <Woet> | s/saw/seen/ |
18:58 | <@mcintosh> | guzzlefry: what does "uname -a" say? |
18:58 | <guzzlefry> | mcintosh: Linux gusking.com 4.18.8-x86_64-linode117 #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Sep 18 18:48:25 UTC 2018 x86_64 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2680 v3 @ 2.50GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
19:00 | <frailtyy> | google.nl lol |
19:01 | <@mcintosh> | interesting... I'd recommend opening a ticket so we can take a closer look at things |
19:02 | <guzzlefry> | thanks |
19:02 | <@mcintosh> | it seems unlikely that both the distro kernel and our kernels would lack support |
19:02 | <@mcintosh> | so, strange |
19:02 | <guzzlefry> | mcintosh: I was having similar issues with Arch. |
19:02 | <frailtyy> | guzzlefry: double-strange |
19:03 | <guzzlefry> | Different error when trying to run `ufw status` "ERROR: initcaps [Errno 2] iptables v1.8.0 (legacy): can't initialize iptables table `filter': Memory allocation problem. Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded." |
19:07 | <frailtyy> | How the hell do I set the kernel through the cloud.linode.com portal??? |
19:08 | <gparent> | https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/manager/how-to-change-your-linodes-kernel/ |
19:09 | <frailtyy> | Yeah, that's for manager.linode.com |
19:09 | <gparent> | oh didnt really notice the domain |
19:09 | <frailtyy> | cloud.linode.com is supposed to be the new thing although some features are still getting shoehorned in |
19:09 | <@mcintosh> | frailtyy: settings -> advanced configurations -> ... next to the config profile name -> edit |
19:10 | <frailtyy> | AYYYYY mcintosh |
19:10 | <frailtyy> | ty friend |
19:10 | <@mcintosh> | np |
19:11 | <frailtyy> | wasnt fedora converted over to using distro kernel due to selinux? |
19:11 | <frailtyy> | I guess I made my box at the end of the window prior |
19:12 | <guzzlefry> | mcintosh: Did you want the ticket number? |
19:15 | <@mcintosh> | i'm afraid i'd be of limited help, i'm not terribly knowledgeable when it comes to docker |
19:15 | <@mcintosh> | but if there's something misconfigured within our control, support will help figure it out/ensure it is rectified |
19:16 | <guzzlefry> | I think it's more of a "Why can't I `modprobe ip_tables` issue. :P |
19:16 | <dwfreed> | Linode kernels don't have modules |
19:16 | <guzzlefry> | ...oh |
19:16 | <dwfreed> | everything is built-in |
19:16 | <guzzlefry> | Does modprobe check to see if something is built-in first? |
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20:28 | <wraeth> | "Distro kernel" for Gentoo is kind of a misnomer, unless you're referring to the kernel on the livecd(s). |
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20:34 | <guzzlefry> | So GRUB2 will just use the kernel configured in my VM? So I could fix this ip_tables stuff. |
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20:37 | <dwfreed> | yes |
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21:03 | <guzzlefry> | ...turns out I had to install iptables via portage and then start the service.... :( |
21:05 | <wraeth> | "Starting the service" just loads previously saved rules. You should add it to start on boot, so your rules get saved/restored with reboots. |
21:19 | <guzzlefry> | welp, maybe Gentoo does something weird. |
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21:41 | <asad_> | hi |
21:41 | <asad_> | what pament methods |
21:42 | <asad_> | accepted |
21:42 | <LouWestin> | Checks |
21:42 | <LouWestin> | Credit cards |
21:42 | <LouWestin> | PayPal |
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21:43 | <MrPPS> | "Thanks LouWestin" |
21:43 | <MrPPS> | "You're welcome asad_" |
21:43 | <MrPPS> | :P |
21:44 | <LouWestin> | lol |
21:57 | <Ikaros> | Maybe wasn't happy with the available payment methods |
21:57 | <Ikaros> | lol |
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22:18 | <LouWestin> | “WHAT? No bitcoins?” Lol |
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22:26 | <rsdehart> | I demand to be able to pay in water buffalo |
22:51 | <zifnab> | oh mighty linux gods, i pose a question |
22:52 | <zifnab> | is there a sane way in nginx to rate limit based on status code? |
22:52 | <zifnab> | ie, "You've hit 403s too many times, please try again later because you're obviously a misconfigured client" |
22:55 | <zifnab> | it appears the answer is "no" and "use fail2ban" (which is kind of heavy handed) |
23:06 | <MrPPS> | ngx_http_limit_req_module can do based on a key right? that key could be IP + status code afaik |
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23:20 | <zifnab> | MrPPS: there's no way i can find to actually ignore 200s in that though |
23:21 | <zifnab> | tl;dr: https://stackoverflow.com/a/49714705 |
23:22 | <LouWestin> | I'm curious as to why you're trying to rate limit? |
23:24 | <zifnab> | tl;dr: large gerrit installation, 403s seem to cause a large spike in CPU as it's a cache miss / database lookup, some dumb client keeps doing bad things |
23:24 | <zifnab> | i've been looking for an excuse to use haproxy, this appears to be that excuse |
23:25 | <LouWestin> | Are you trying to get a load balancer working? |
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23:31 | <MrPPS> | haproxy is life :) |
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