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02:11<linbot>New news from community: How to use MX records to make use of Gmail mail server <>
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03:41<linbot>New news from community: Wordpress stackscript broken for Ubuntu. Did it work for you? <>
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05:32<linbot>New news from community: apt-get update and upgrade question on Ubuntu 18 <>
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08:58<girmangus>anybody who can help me regarding linode
08:59<@mcintosh>mostly everybody here can provide some guidance
08:59<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
09:02<girmangus>i want to transfer my hosting to linode if they offer me the same service as bluehost
09:02<@mcintosh>we have some similar offerings to bluehost
09:02<@mcintosh>what are you looking for specifically?
09:03<girmangus>i need speed and root access
09:03<@mcintosh>Linode is very fast and offers root access
09:03<DrJ>girmangus: you get full root access to your linode
09:04<@mcintosh>!point DrJ
09:04<linbot>mcintosh: Point given to drj. (7)
09:04<DrJ>as for speed, it will be much faster than bluehost for sure
09:04<DrJ>the pricing page shows you the "speed" for each plan
09:05<girmangus>i need to send as many as i want email to my clients, mysql php version and domain and SSL
09:05<DrJ>you can easily install mysql and php and send as many emails as you want
09:05<DrJ>as for SSL, I'd recommend looking into letsencrypt
09:06<grawity>Linode is not a webhost: you can have mysql php and SSL, but it's your job to install them
09:06<DrJ>linode itself does not offer SSL certs
09:08<DrJ>girmangus: to put it in simple terms... imagine you install a linux distro on your home computer. Whatever you can install or do with that installation you can do with a linode
09:08<DrJ>and as grawity said, it's your job to install and configure everything
09:08<girmangus>seems awesome though i have to buy and do things from 3rd parties?
09:09<DrJ>lets encrypt is free, if that is what you are referencing to
09:09<DrJ>everything you have mentioned so far is completely free
09:09<girmangus>i want to have the https for seo
09:10<DrJ>you should use https regardless, but yea
09:10<DrJ>see the link I pasted above
09:11<DrJ>lets encrypt is quickly becoming the most popular certificate authority
09:11<DrJ>if not already
09:11<girmangus>i have already purchased it in bluehost and do i have to buy another if u transfer to linode
09:12<DrJ>again, lets encrypt is 100% free
09:12<DrJ>I wouldn't even bother with the cert you bought from bluehost
09:12<DrJ>because someday you'll have to renew it and pay again
09:12<girmangus>ok how long it takes to make a website live
09:12<DrJ>the days of paying for a ssl cert are over
09:13<DrJ>if you are still paying you are a sucker
09:13<DrJ>that depends on your skills
09:14<DrJ>if you know what you are doing, you could transfer from bluehost to linode in an hour or two and have it live on linode... the only real limit is dns cache/propagation
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09:14<girmangus>hm then let me try it
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09:16<girmangus>it's fast right?
09:16<DrJ>again the pricing page shows the "speed" for each plan
09:18<girmangus>thank u i think the $10 is fine for for a couple of thousands users?
09:18<DrJ>that's hard to say girmangus
09:19<girmangus>so can u assist me ?
09:19<DrJ>if you are running a simple website then probably
09:19<DrJ>however, if you are running some major streaming service then possibly not
09:20<girmangus>how about a more specific for jobs and bids users
09:20<DrJ>you can easily switch to a larger plan after the fact
09:20<DrJ>so you could start with the $10 plan and if it doesn't work out you can easily upgrade
09:20<DrJ>I don't understand your last question
09:21<girmangus>sound ok with the upgrading
09:22<girmangus>my website is for local job/vacancy and Bid/Tender announcement
09:22<tharkun>Take bandwidth and processing power into your equation and that will tell you exactly what you need. Mage a guesstimate is not good enough.
09:22<DrJ>girmangus, most likely the $10 plan will meet your needs, but again there is no way anyone here can tell you for sure
09:23<girmangus>i got you DrJ to be honest i'm paying around $15 on bluehost and i'm not satisfied with the speed since my clients are from Ethiopia
09:24<tharkun>girmangus: Logical distance and latency are also stuff to consider.
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09:25<DrJ>girmangus, are you currently on a shared hosting plan with them? If so, those alway suck, not matter the provider
09:25<girmangus>that is why i'm considering the london or Frankfurt location
09:25<girmangus>shared though pro version
09:26*tharkun can't control that which can not be measssured.
09:26<DrJ>girmangus: yea, that's a rip off
09:26<girmangus>hope u guys will give me the speed and performance
09:27<DrJ>every linode gets a dedicated IP, even the $5 plan... SSL again is 100% free through lets encrypt (over 50 million sites use lets encrypt). Linode doesn't do domain registration, but you can get that for around $10 with most registars.
09:27<girmangus>hm they charge me for $17
09:29<girmangus>so i need only the domain registration and dns to migrate to you guys?
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09:30<DrJ>girmangus: if you switch away from bluehost you will want to at some point transfer your domain to another registar. I use namecheap and they are around $10/yr for most tlds.
09:30<DrJ>But right now you could leave it on bluehost, assuming your domain isn't about to expire, and just switch the dns to point to your linode IP
09:31<girmangus>i like this
09:32<girmangus>inorder to make a smooth migration can i use ip or anything since i don't like my clients to see the back work?
09:33<DrJ>girmangus: the way I have done it is I get everything working on the new server. I modify my local hosts file to point to the new server/IP so only I see the new server
09:35<DrJ>once I feel confident everything is working I then make the public DNS change. After I'm confident the DNS switch has fully propagated and everything is good I shut down the old server
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09:35<girmangus>before i modify my current website to point to the new one i want to see the new server is working well
09:36<@scrane>That's smart! You can do that by editing your local hosts file on your computer to point to the new IP address.
09:36<DrJ>as I just said, you can easily do that by modifying your local hosts file
09:36<DrJ>and as scrane just said :)
09:38<girmangus>:) thank you guys for your time i will start the journey now
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09:47<DrJ>good luck
09:48<DrJ>there's always people here willing to help but again you are switching from shared hosting to your own server now which means you have to install, configure, and maintain everything yourself
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10:03<linbot>New news from community: Configure proper line wrapping for lish <>
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10:33<linbot>New news from community: What happened to eth0:1 private networking interface? <>
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12:17<Drew>I have a question, are we able to use whmcs with our linode server?
12:18<grawity>if you install it yourself, then sure
12:19<warewolf>oh, a web hosting billing platform thing
12:19<Drew>Yeah :D
12:19<Drew>Awesome thanks, been a year or so since I messed with whmcs. Thanks guys
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12:31<linbot>New news from kernels: Latest 32 bit (4.18.16-x86-linode138) <> || Latest 64 bit (4.18.16-x86_64-linode118) <>
13:01<guzzlefry>Is Linode able to upgrade my current instance without any issues?
13:01<guzzlefry>Mostly concerned about disk resizing.
13:03<@mcintosh>it requires a migration for the plan upgrade and a reboot for the disk resize
13:03<@mcintosh>those are the only "issues"
13:03<@mcintosh>it is safe to e.g. upgrade the plan and then subsequently resize the disk(s) to a larger size
13:04<@mcintosh>but, You Should™ take backups when doing that sort of thing anyways
13:11<frailtyy>sup macdaddy mcintosh
13:18<@mcintosh>n2mjc hbu?
13:18<frailtyy>p chill. relaxing rain n stuff.
13:23<guzzlefry>Is CPU power similar between the 1GB and 2GB plans? I know both are single core, but I'm wondering if the 2GB has any boost.
13:24<frailtyy>It's the same virtual cpu cores.
13:24<LouWestin>Just memory
13:24<frailtyy>THICC CPU CORES™
13:24<LouWestin>A memory boost I mean.
13:25<guzzlefry>dang okay :/ I decided to use Gentoo for this. It's a bit painful. :P
13:25<frailtyy>p normal gentoo experience tbh
13:25<frailtyy>just gotta hang out with fedora or ubuntu. super needs suiting.
13:26<guzzlefry>Seems like it compiles faster on my AMD Turion II NEO N54L. :P
13:27<tharkun>Good $DAY I am tracing some isues with the performance of some in house apps. Is there a standard kernel that linode uses or some set of patches needed to seemleslly interactuate with Linode's infrastructure?
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13:43<tharkun>LouWestin: Thanks the isue is simple 2.6 kernel flys in circle with the same app as in the latest greatest version. I have a strong feeling that something within is slowing it down and I have no clue on how to debug it. If you happen to know a tool or document that could guide me on this quest I would appreciate it. ( a google term would suffice )
13:45<LouWestin>I believe you can compile a kernel if need be. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.
13:48<LouWestin>There is the option on Linode’s manager to simply select the latest or other from a list on the linode control panel.
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13:57<tharkun>LouWestin: IIRC I have two linodes but this is a total experiment looking for some "information" which I have no clue to whether it is real or a goose chase. Yet I have to find the b_o__ "why it is happening".
14:03<LouWestin>Only one way to find out if it’s the kernel or not! LOL
14:03<goose>Don't chase me pls :(
14:06<Drew>^ lol poor goose
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14:40<frailtyy>LouWestin: You're right with regards to compiling a custom kernel, installing it in the distro and flipping the switch to distro provided kernel.
14:41<LouWestin>Ok. I was 99% sure, but wanted to err on the side of caution.
14:42<LouWestin>Who says Linode is restrictive?? Pfff...
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14:54<arby>something up in Fremont? 'status' page shows operational, but *all* my access to any/all Linodes there is down ... no ping, no lish, nada.
14:57<arby>hm. no official response, used to that. but no snarky comments from userland? zounds!! is this mic on?
14:57<DrJ>arby: I have one linode in fremont, it's responding just fine
14:58<LouWestin>Check the manger maybe?
14:58<arby>DrJ: Thx. Maybe machine specific (but for 3 different hosts?) ... LouWestin yep, checking further now
14:59<DrJ>arby: that is odd
14:59<arby>Ah "An issue affecting the physical host this Linode resides on has been detected." ...
15:00<arby>So much for status-n-notifications!
15:00<dwfreed> will only show large-scale outages
15:00<DrJ>odd if it's a host issue for it to affect all 3 of them
15:01<arby>Yep re: odd. 1 of the 3 is up again ...
15:01<LouWestin>arby: K
15:01<arby>(Gotta be an early HappyHour 'round town ...)
15:02<arby>"we feel the most prudent course of action is to migrate your Linode to new hardware"
15:03<arby>Margaritas -n- chips!
15:03<LouWestin>Maybe they’ll put you on the AMD chip. ;-)
15:07<arby>Alas, nope: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2680 v3 @ 2.50GHz
15:09<arby>Not sure what this tells me, TBH: cat /proc/cpuinfo -> ... "bugs : cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2 spec_store_bypass l1tf" ...
15:09<LouWestin>Ok. Are things back up and running?
15:09<arby>Seemingly so.
15:10<arby>Checking all the usual beeswax now ...
15:10<LouWestin>That was quick.
15:10<arby>Musta been a bonfire! easily noticed ...
15:11<dwfreed>arby: that just means the CPU has bugs that the kernel has to apply mitigations for
15:11<arby>Still, would've been nice to get SOME form of proactive notice ... your suggest to 'check Manager' was the obvious choice.
15:11<dwfreed>proactive is not always possible
15:12*arby considers his notification settings ...
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15:25<frailtyy_>got disconnected :(
15:25<frailtyy_>but i cant be stopped
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15:39<knnth>is the old going to be disabled, now that exists?
15:39<frailtyy_>Not until is considered the default, most likely.
15:40<knnth>cloud hides a LOT of important settings :|
15:40<knnth>hope manager stays. it's fast, compact, simple and informative.
15:41<grawity>you're assuming cloud is finished and done
15:42<knnth>i know it's been in beta for a while, but i got a "cloud manager has arrived!" banner today
15:46<DrJ>hmm, did they take it out of beta?
15:46<knnth>the banner made me think so, but doing some digging i don't see any kind of announcement, so grawity i hope you're right in that it's not done
15:47<DrJ>I like the new cloud one, although one thing that urks me with it is they don't have domain groupings in the dns manager
15:47<DrJ>when you have many domains in there it's nice to have the grouping the manager offers
15:48<DrJ>they don't have groups for linodes either
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15:50<Peng>Hey what
15:50<Peng>That makes the 30 or 40 seconds I've spent entering domain grouping information feel wasted :<
15:51<@mcintosh>not out of beta
15:51<@mcintosh>just a fancy new banner to entice people to try it out
15:52<@mcintosh>display groups are deprecated - but you can tag things now
15:52<@mcintosh>working on rolling out full tag support in the new interface
15:52<@mcintosh>knnth: not done
15:53<knnth>ok, sweet :)
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15:57<relidy>mcintosh: Is there a way to dismiss the "fancy new banner"?
15:57<DrJ>what's the difference between groups and tagging?
15:58<@mcintosh>DrJ: can't be in multiple groups, but can be tagged multiple tags
15:58<@mcintosh>relidy: currently, no
15:59<DrJ>mcintosh lies
15:59<DrJ>use something like that :)
15:59<@mcintosh>!point DrJ
15:59<linbot>mcintosh: Point given to drj. (8)
16:04<linbot>New news from community: How do I properly update a StackScript using the CLI? <>
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18:34<guzzlefry>Do I have to select some special kernel to get Docker working in Gentoo?
18:37<guzzlefry>"Error starting daemon: Error initializing network controller: error obtaining controller instance: failed to create NAT chain DOCKER: iptables failed: iptables --wait -t nat -N DOCKER: iptables v1.6.1: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)"
18:46<Woet>guzzlefry: what did you try so far to resolve it?
18:47<guzzlefry>Woet: I'm trying to see if switching the kernel config in Linode from GRUB2 to a newer kernel helps.
18:47<Woet>guzzlefry: what about modprobe?
18:47<frailtyy_>If you're using the GRUB2 boot then that is distro supplied kernel.
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18:51<guzzlefry>frailtyy: ah, I thought if I used my own kernel compiled on the system, rather than the Linode kernels, that I'd be missing integration features.
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18:53<guzzlefry>okay, using that Linode kernel results in the same error.
18:54<Woet>guzzlefry: what about modprobe?
18:54<guzzlefry>Woet: What am I doing with that? >_>
18:54<Woet>guzzlefry: you didn't Google the error?
18:55<guzzlefry>uh, I tried.
18:55<guzzlefry>Google has been garbage for me lately. :/
18:56<guzzlefry>okay, the ip_tables module isn't available in this kernel.
18:56<Woet>that's very odd.
18:57<guzzlefry>Yes, given "We’re pleased to announce that Linode now supports Docker right out of the box."
18:57<guzzlefry>To be fair that was almost 5 years ago.
18:57<Woet>like, I've never saw a kernel without iptables
18:58<@mcintosh>guzzlefry: what does "uname -a" say?
18:58<guzzlefry>mcintosh: Linux 4.18.8-x86_64-linode117 #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Sep 18 18:48:25 UTC 2018 x86_64 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2680 v3 @ 2.50GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
19:00<frailtyy> lol
19:01<@mcintosh>interesting... I'd recommend opening a ticket so we can take a closer look at things
19:02<@mcintosh>it seems unlikely that both the distro kernel and our kernels would lack support
19:02<@mcintosh>so, strange
19:02<guzzlefry>mcintosh: I was having similar issues with Arch.
19:02<frailtyy>guzzlefry: double-strange
19:03<guzzlefry>Different error when trying to run `ufw status` "ERROR: initcaps [Errno 2] iptables v1.8.0 (legacy): can't initialize iptables table `filter': Memory allocation problem. Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded."
19:07<frailtyy>How the hell do I set the kernel through the portal???
19:09<frailtyy>Yeah, that's for
19:09<gparent>oh didnt really notice the domain
19:09<frailtyy> is supposed to be the new thing although some features are still getting shoehorned in
19:09<@mcintosh>frailtyy: settings -> advanced configurations -> ... next to the config profile name -> edit
19:10<frailtyy>AYYYYY mcintosh
19:10<frailtyy>ty friend
19:11<frailtyy>wasnt fedora converted over to using distro kernel due to selinux?
19:11<frailtyy>I guess I made my box at the end of the window prior
19:12<guzzlefry>mcintosh: Did you want the ticket number?
19:15<@mcintosh>i'm afraid i'd be of limited help, i'm not terribly knowledgeable when it comes to docker
19:15<@mcintosh>but if there's something misconfigured within our control, support will help figure it out/ensure it is rectified
19:16<guzzlefry>I think it's more of a "Why can't I `modprobe ip_tables` issue. :P
19:16<dwfreed>Linode kernels don't have modules
19:16<dwfreed>everything is built-in
19:16<guzzlefry>Does modprobe check to see if something is built-in first?
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20:28<wraeth>"Distro kernel" for Gentoo is kind of a misnomer, unless you're referring to the kernel on the livecd(s).
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20:34<guzzlefry>So GRUB2 will just use the kernel configured in my VM? So I could fix this ip_tables stuff.
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21:03<guzzlefry>...turns out I had to install iptables via portage and then start the service.... :(
21:05<wraeth>"Starting the service" just loads previously saved rules. You should add it to start on boot, so your rules get saved/restored with reboots.
21:19<guzzlefry>welp, maybe Gentoo does something weird.
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21:41<asad_>what pament methods
21:42<LouWestin>Credit cards
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21:43<MrPPS>"Thanks LouWestin"
21:43<MrPPS>"You're welcome asad_"
21:57<Ikaros>Maybe wasn't happy with the available payment methods
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22:18<LouWestin>“WHAT? No bitcoins?” Lol
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22:26<rsdehart>I demand to be able to pay in water buffalo
22:51<zifnab>oh mighty linux gods, i pose a question
22:52<zifnab>is there a sane way in nginx to rate limit based on status code?
22:52<zifnab>ie, "You've hit 403s too many times, please try again later because you're obviously a misconfigured client"
22:55<zifnab>it appears the answer is "no" and "use fail2ban" (which is kind of heavy handed)
23:06<MrPPS>ngx_http_limit_req_module can do based on a key right? that key could be IP + status code afaik
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23:20<zifnab>MrPPS: there's no way i can find to actually ignore 200s in that though
23:22<LouWestin>I'm curious as to why you're trying to rate limit?
23:24<zifnab>tl;dr: large gerrit installation, 403s seem to cause a large spike in CPU as it's a cache miss / database lookup, some dumb client keeps doing bad things
23:24<zifnab>i've been looking for an excuse to use haproxy, this appears to be that excuse
23:25<LouWestin>Are you trying to get a load balancer working?
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23:31<MrPPS>haproxy is life :)
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