| --- | Log | opened Fri Dec 07 00:00:26 2018 |
| 00:21 | <dwfreed> | fwiw, there are still things you can't do in the cloud manager that you can do in the old manager |
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| 00:28 | <Woet> | a real man uses the API |
| 00:32 | <LouWestin> | They still are working on adding in those missing features right? |
| 00:33 | <trelane> | ugh. I really wish that linode would test longview, network configurator etc on new versions before dropping the image |
| 00:34 | <trelane> | especially main support stuff like Centos (Network autoconfigurator doesn't support internal IP's), Fedora (no longview build since FC22), Ubuntu 18.04 (network autoconfigurator again) |
| 00:36 | <Woet> | my non-existent linodes have no issues |
| 00:40 | <trelane> | see you need linodes, they're worth complaining about |
| 00:40 | <trelane> | once they work they're epic |
| 00:40 | <LouWestin> | My three Debian linodes are epic. No complaints |
| 00:41 | <dwfreed> | trelane: ubuntu 18.04 is the first version of ubuntu with their retarded netplan PoS |
| 00:41 | <trelane> | I just ripped out netplan |
| 00:42 | <dwfreed> | I wish Ubuntu would lay off the NIH syndrome |
| 00:42 | <dwfreed> | trelane: and network helper is probably expecting it to exist |
| 00:42 | <trelane> | ifupdown is still there |
| 00:43 | <trelane> | they're changing the userland massively and the documentation is absolutely awful |
| 00:43 | <dwfreed> | except the helper is designed to work with the templates Linode produces |
| 00:43 | <trelane> | if I wanted a non-documented userland with everything locked away in binary logs I'd have bought windows, at least I get support. |
| 00:43 | <dwfreed> | so when it seens Ubuntu 18.04, it writes the netplan config file |
| 00:43 | <trelane> | I'm using their templates |
| 00:43 | <trelane> | it really doesn't |
| 00:43 | <trelane> | it just uses dhcp |
| 00:43 | <dwfreed> | no it doesn't |
| 00:44 | <dwfreed> | the whole point of network helper is to *not* use dhcp |
| 00:44 | <LouWestin> | dwfreed is the Chuck Norris of this stuff. You can defeat him. |
| 00:44 | <LouWestin> | can't |
| 00:44 | <dwfreed> | lol |
| 00:45 | <trelane> | dwfreed, perhaps I'm stupid but this _REALLY_ looks like DHCP to me https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/h-ruIqmReirw~nX3nUZcSw |
| 00:45 | <trelane> | LouWestin, my technique is superior. I control the copy, and the paste. |
| 00:45 | <LouWestin> | I've been here a really long time and listened to his talks |
| 00:45 | <dwfreed> | that was not written by network helper |
| 00:45 | <trelane> | ooh I know he knows what he's doing |
| 00:45 | <trelane> | dwfreed, then entwork helper is completely broken on 18.04 |
| 00:45 | <trelane> | this is a brand new image |
| 00:45 | <dwfreed> | network helper puts in a comment telling you not to touch the files it writes |
| 00:46 | <dwfreed> | anyway, just install ifupdown2 (it's much nicer, really) and write your own /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:46 | <trelane> | it's just a lot easier to automate these builds if this is provisioned properly. |
| 00:47 | <grawity> | huh, just how bad is netplan that you say ifupdown is much nicer |
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| 00:47 | <dwfreed> | grawity: ifupdown2 |
| 00:48 | <trelane> | dwfreed, for what it's worth, I made shuttleworth look like a complete fool a few years ago at SCALE |
| 00:48 | <grawity> | oh, a separate project |
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| 00:55 | <dwfreed> | trelane: on 18.04, network helper writes a systemd-networkd file directly, and skips netplan entirely |
| 00:55 | <dwfreed> | /etc/systemd/network/05-eth0.network |
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| 00:56 | <trelane> | it seems to be missing the private ip then on eth0:0 |
| 00:57 | <dwfreed> | it doesn't use aliased interfaces |
| 00:57 | <dwfreed> | because they aren't required |
| 00:57 | <dwfreed> | stop using ifconfig |
| 00:57 | <dwfreed> | 'ip addr show' |
| 00:58 | <trelane> | I'm 37, I'll use ifconfig: -p |
| 00:58 | <trelane> | :-p |
| 00:58 | <trelane> | it was good enough for my dad in the 1980's |
| 00:58 | <dwfreed> | well then you're going to get incorrect information |
| 00:58 | <dwfreed> | because it's outdated and it makes terrible assumptions |
| 00:58 | <dwfreed> | (like one interface will only have one address) |
| 01:00 | <Mazzzzy> | Hello! Can anyone tell me if it's okay to use Linode for downloading data over torrent network? ISP blocks torrenting at my friend's place so I was wondering if I could provide them with a remote machine to download torrent data on and then fetch it over SCP |
| 01:00 | <dwfreed> | Mazzzzy: as long as you're only downloading things you have legal rights to download |
| 01:00 | <LouWestin> | if you're downloading illegal stuff then no |
| 01:01 | <dwfreed> | torrenting pirated content is not allowed, and you will get caught |
| 01:02 | <Mazzzzy> | Makes sense. So as long as he downloads things he's legit allowed to there will be no issues and my linode/account will not be banned? |
| 01:02 | <millisa> | depending how much data you are talking about, you could also hit the transfer limits - see 'Transfer' on the pricing page https://www.linode.com/pricing#all and the question at the bottom on quota |
| 01:02 | <Mazzzzy> | Yeah it shouldn't be much, no more than 100 GiB/mo |
| 01:02 | <LouWestin> | I would think your friend could vpn/proxy around that |
| 01:03 | <Mazzzzy> | They'd have to buy one (free VPNs would be completely unsuitable for this :( ) |
| 01:03 | <LouWestin> | They're fairly cheap |
| 01:04 | <Mazzzzy> | I'm afraid that's not an option no matter how cheap it is… But I'm gonna be searching for other options too |
| 01:04 | <Mazzzzy> | Thanks for the info and tips! |
| 01:04 | <LouWestin> | Plus I wouldn't want to be responsible for his stuff |
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| 01:05 | <viral> | Hello |
| 01:05 | <millisa> | Greetings |
| 01:05 | <LouWestin> | hi |
| 01:05 | <Mazzzzy> | Yeah that's what I was thinking, altho I do trust him. I used to provide this for him on my home server but now I have to take it down due to low reliability |
| 01:06 | <viral> | Well, is this bot or a person? |
| 01:06 | <millisa> | You or me? |
| 01:06 | <LouWestin> | text |
| 01:06 | <millisa> | I like to think I simulate a very autistic person rather well. |
| 01:06 | <viral> | You |
| 01:06 | <LouWestin> | I see it all as just text on the screen |
| 01:06 | <dwfreed> | millisa: *snerk* |
| 01:07 | <millisa> | On the internet, no one knows you are a dog. |
| 01:07 | <viral> | I do have question regarding Nanode Instances server. |
| 01:07 | <LouWestin> | k |
| 01:07 | <millisa> | !ask |
| 01:07 | <linbot> | If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/ |
| 01:07 | <LouWestin> | ^that's a bot |
| 01:07 | <viral> | What is basic requirement of it? |
| 01:07 | <LouWestin> | payment |
| 01:07 | <LouWestin> | $5 a month |
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| 01:08 | <LouWestin> | bye |
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| 01:08 | <millisa> | If you are asking about the specs, they are on the pricing page - https://www.linode.com/pricing#all |
| 01:08 | <LouWestin> | wb |
| 01:08 | <viral> | Web in my web, it is disabled. |
| 01:08 | <viral> | I am unable to select it. |
| 01:08 | <LouWestin> | basic linux knowledge |
| 01:09 | <millisa> | Do you mean in the linode manager you can't pick the nanode? |
| 01:09 | <viral> | I am unable to create that instnace. |
| 01:09 | <millisa> | Are you on one of the old style billings? |
| 01:09 | <viral> | Yes exactly |
| 01:09 | <millisa> | (there's usually a nag screen up at the top asking you to convert) |
| 01:09 | <viral> | I am using pre-pay billing |
| 01:10 | <viral> | if you can guide me how to do. |
| 01:10 | <millisa> | https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-support/billing-and-payments/#prepaid-billing If you convert to the new style billing, it should let you create nanodes |
| 01:10 | <millisa> | https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-support/upgrade-to-hourly-billing/ that should walk you through doing that |
| 01:11 | <viral> | Okay |
| 01:11 | <viral> | is this the only thing? |
| 01:11 | <millisa> | should be |
| 01:11 | <viral> | okay |
| 01:11 | <viral> | Thanks millisa |
| 01:12 | <viral> | Thanks for your guide. |
| 01:12 | <millisa> | sure thing |
| 01:12 | <millisa> | The robot overlords will be pleased when you convert. |
| 01:15 | <viral> | Great |
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| 09:21 | <Neel> | Hello anyone tgr |
| 09:21 | <Neel> | Thr |
| 09:22 | <LouWestin> | Yes |
| 09:22 | <Neel> | Ok |
| 09:22 | <Neel> | I need to know that if I buy one server plan then will I get the cPanel installed |
| 09:23 | <LouWestin> | No only if you install it yourself or choose the managed plan for $100 extra a month. |
| 09:24 | <LouWestin> | If you install it yourself then you have to pay extra for it too |
| 09:24 | <Neel> | Can u install the cwp |
| 09:24 | <LouWestin> | If you can install it on Linux then probably |
| 09:25 | <Neel> | Will u do it in free |
| 09:26 | <LouWestin> | Linode is self managed which means you have to mange it yourself |
| 09:26 | <LouWestin> | So you can install it yourself. |
| 09:26 | <Neel> | These are cloud platforms |
| 09:26 | <LouWestin> | VPS |
| 09:27 | <Neel> | Ok |
| 09:27 | <LouWestin> | Unmanaged VPS I should say |
| 09:27 | <LouWestin> | With root access |
| 09:28 | <Neel> | If I buy one plan then will I get the os. Installed |
| 09:29 | <LouWestin> | You get a list of OS’s that you can choose from when you pick a plan |
| 09:30 | <Neel> | For os is thr any extra charges |
| 09:30 | <LouWestin> | No they come with the plan. |
| 09:30 | <Neel> | And last question datacenter locations. |
| 09:31 | <LouWestin> | https://www.linode.com/linodes towards the bottom lists their data center locations |
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| 09:33 | <rsdehart> | !locations |
| 09:33 | <rsdehart> | bah |
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| 10:26 | <linbot> | New news from community: How do I forward my domain but hide (mask) the address? <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/17415> |
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| 17:19 | <relidy> | Anyone have Android IRC client recommendations they'd like to share? |
| 17:20 | <LouWestin> | Is mutter available? |
| 17:26 | <relidy> | Looks like mutter might just be iOS. |
| 17:26 | <LouWestin> | Mmm... |
| 17:28 | <linbot> | New news from community: nginx servers self-singed certificate instead of Let’s Encrypt one <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/17416> |
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| 19:47 | <rahultest> | I am seeing strange behavior after installing hadoop. An executable named java keeps running and eating up CPU. I tracked it down to /var/tmp directory. |
| 19:47 | <rahultest> | I even renamed it. But a new java executable was created and it runs. Even if I kill it, it gets revived again. |
| 19:47 | <rahultest> | Any idea on how to debug? |
| 19:50 | <rsdehart> | what's hadoop? |
| 19:51 | <rahultest> | It is an open source offering created by Yahoo but now it is used by almost every big data company. |
| 19:51 | <rsdehart> | what's java? |
| 19:51 | <rahultest> | I installed it yesterday. After that I started getting alerts for CPU utilization. |
| 19:51 | <rsdehart> | pretty sure that's coffee |
| 19:52 | <rsdehart> | have you spilled coffee on your linode? |
| 19:52 | <rahultest> | Stopped all Hadoop Daemons. But still there is a process 'java' taking up 99% CPU. |
| 19:56 | <rsdehart> | you stopped them by just killing them? Is there not a means of shutting it down gracefully? |
| 19:56 | <rsdehart> | and I can't imagine you really don't know what java is |
| 19:57 | <rahultest> | Gracefully stopped using shell scripts that came with hadoop |
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| 20:10 | <LouWestin> | It’s maintained by Apache |
| 20:13 | <Abi12> | lol hadoop is java |
| 20:13 | <Abi12> | well more like hadoop is written in java. |
| 20:14 | <Abi12> | I remember 3-4 years ago everyone was going nuts about how amazing it was. |
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| 20:16 | <LouWestin> | I’ve never heard of it, but I don’t dive into too many odd things. |
| 20:17 | <Abi12> | It has something to do with data processing. There were some pretty high paying positions for hadoop developers then ( I'm not sure about it anymore ). |
| 20:18 | <Abi12> | yeah but it seems like rahultest installed it without even understanding what it is or what's required to run it ( which is java ) |
| 20:19 | <LouWestin> | I know a lot of folks here are developers so they’re of course more versed with all that stuff. |
| 20:20 | <LouWestin> | I took a couple classes on the company’s tab and learned that development is NOT for me. |
| 20:20 | <LouWestin> | I salute and envy those who can do it. |
| 20:20 | <Abi12> | try C |
| 20:20 | <Abi12> | even if it's not for you. It still teaches you a lot. |
| 20:21 | <Abi12> | C/x86 are the languages which have taught me the most about computers. |
| 20:21 | <Abi12> | lol I'm loving these quora answers about hadoop: `It is Most demanding Technology. It is a Huge Amount Of Data.and also Structured and Unstructured data. Yes. Big Data Hadoop is a Very Bright Feature Now a Days.` |
| 20:23 | <Abi12> | I guess people are cool with languages that have no concern for memory/processing power \o/. The future is bleak. |
| 20:23 | <LouWestin> | I was an idiot who went against my better judgement and took a VB class... |
| 20:23 | <LouWestin> | I should’ve taken c# at that time. |
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| 20:24 | <rsdehart> | Abi12: yeah, turns out people use java |
| 20:24 | <LouWestin> | The teacher for C# was better too. |
| 20:25 | <Abi12> | I remember watching an interview where Charles Petzold was saying that C# is C++'s successor. |
| 20:25 | <LouWestin> | That I know would be a joke |
| 20:25 | <Abi12> | I guess that was it's intent but if it actually *is*.. people probably disagree xD |
| 20:26 | <LouWestin> | If I was going to do M$ web asp stuff maybe... |
| 20:27 | <Abi12> | rsdehart: if it's not client facing and you have 8GB+ of ram.. go ahead :P |
| 20:27 | <LouWestin> | I don’t think my local college had offer C. C++ they did |
| 20:28 | <LouWestin> | I was saying to rsdehart that the only Java thing I run is a Minecraft server. Lol |
| 20:28 | <rsdehart> | Abi12: my first Android phone didn't have anywhere near 8GB of ram |
| 20:28 | <linbot> | New news from community: File Permissions in Wordpress? <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/17417> |
| 20:29 | <LouWestin> | ^gotta recursively set those permissions. |
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| 20:34 | <Abi12> | I don't know much about that, but I think androids implementation of java is very different from the java we run on our desktop. |
| 20:34 | <Abi12> | I don't think it's even compiled into java byte code? |
| 20:35 | <Abi12> | <-- not an android dev though :P. |
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