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#linode IRC Logs for 2018-12-27

---Logopened Thu Dec 27 00:00:54 2018
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09:35<linbot>New news from community: How do I install the latest version of PostgreSQL on Ubuntu 16.04? <>
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09:55<linbot>New news from community: Copy Block Storage Volumes <>
10:05<linbot>New news from community: Nginx built with Pagespeed,ssl, http2, brotli and mod security <>
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11:50<LouWestin>Off topic there was someone on here a few months ago who was asking why we bother with unsecured IRC.. Well...
11:50<LouWestin>When malware can grab your encrypted communications... eh...
11:52<LouWestin>This case it’s telegram which I’m a little familiar with.
11:55<Abi12>unsecured irc is better than using a secured discord/slack which will store every click and sell that information.
11:55<Abi12>oftc doesn't allow ssl?
11:55<synfinatic>sure it does.
11:56<Abi12>\o/ then it's secure :p
11:56<synfinatic>but unless everyone is ssl, then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
11:56<Woet>Abi12: "which will store every click and sell that information." - source?
11:57<synfinatic>pretty sure slack doesn't do that. would hurt their biz model
11:57<synfinatic>discord afaik, has no biz model so can't comment :)
11:57<LouWestin>At least with IRC I know that everything is basically public.
11:57<synfinatic>yeah. sets expectations
11:57<synfinatic>also: let's face it. you can write a bot to log an irc channel. same for a slack/discord channel.
11:58<dwfreed>synfinatic: discord's business model is nitro, and istr they started a game store thingy too
11:58<Abi12>I'm just talking out of my ass. 0 sources. It just seems like what closed-source products enjoy doing.
11:58<Abi12>'have to do'. They might not enjoy it.
11:58<LouWestin>But I don’t do illegal stuff where I’d be freaking out that telegram or whatever got breached.
12:00<synfinatic>Woet ah, forgot about that. there's like half a dozen other companies (like Amazon) also on the "monthly fee for a bunch of games" model. i guess the extra perks in chat is nice. but i've never understood todays kids desire to spend hours watching other people play games when you can play yourself
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12:01<dwfreed>LouWestin: and if you were, you'd want to use Signal anyway
12:01<synfinatic>anyways, thats why I talk about all my felonies via gpg/dead drops
12:01<csnxs>I highly doubt discord can fund their infrastructre on nitro alone, and I doubt anyone actually uses the game store
12:01<Abi12>Isn't nitro just paid reactions?
12:01<dwfreed>csnxs: oh, I'm sure that there are people that do
12:02<dwfreed>Abi12: there's more to it than that, see Woet's link
12:02<LouWestin>dwfreed: I’d still be too paranoid lol
12:02<Abi12>o.o when did this happen.
12:02<dwfreed>and there are *a lot* of nitro subscribers, you'd be surprised
12:02<synfinatic>there are people who have planned felonies in public irc channels. nothing surprises me anymore.
12:03<Abi12>ahh I was thinking about Nitro classic.
12:03<dwfreed>and nitro classic is more than just paid reactions too :P
12:03<dwfreed>the game store actually launched in mid-October
12:08<Abi12>I know a couple people who subscribe to nitro class. Is their game store actually doing well?
12:09<Abi12>err I have no clue any of this gaming stuff works. Is it just the same as steam or whatever? lol
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13:01<alexf>"also: let's face it. you can write a bot to log an irc channel. " <= I'm pretty sure mikegrb is doing exactly that for this chan
13:06<dwfreed>that isn't a bot, though, that's just mikegrb's irc client
13:09<alexf>The point is to demonstrate the principle
13:14<LouWestin>Side note: That’s interesting though Discord is going to compete with steam
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15:06<linbot>New news from community: After I upgraded from Ubuntu 16 to Ubuntu 18, my network configuration seems to be a broken mess. <>
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15:46<linbot>New news from community: What's My Linodes Carbon Footprint? <>
15:48<LouWestin>I vote that Linode switches their DC’s solar. Unless solar panel production causes some other harm to the earth.
15:50<Peng>I vote Linode builds a nuclear power plant
15:52<LouWestin>Linode Fusion
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16:29<dwfreed>LouWestin: solar production is nasty shit
16:30<LouWestin>dwfreed: I had a strong feeling that you’d know. ;-)
16:30<dwfreed>friend from college works for First Solar
16:30<LouWestin>I know battery production is environmentally bad too.
16:31<LouWestin>So those hippies driving electric cars laughing at us gas users... yeah...
16:32<dwfreed>I mean, the thing is we can do stuff about that
16:32<dwfreed>there's only so much you can do to exhaust from burning gas
16:32<LouWestin>I’m still driving my 2006 Civic at least that’s kind of helping.
16:33<LouWestin>I’d say more mass transportation would be great.
16:34<dwfreed>yeah, mass transit helps significantly
16:35<LouWestin>At least by me we got buses and Metra within walking distance. You can get to to Chicago by bus, train and L train.
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16:36<LouWestin>I mean take the bus to the L Train.
16:38<LouWestin>Metra is nicer though. The issue they have is funding though
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23:37<linbot>New news from community: Possible SYN flooding on port 443 error in Lish console <>
23:50<zifnab>kindly help
23:52<zifnab>i'm kidding, i just love the bad translation at the end of that forum post
23:52<zifnab>'kindly help in this issue'
23:53<zifnab>however, i'm now trying to figure out the environmental impact of solar panel production
23:53<zifnab>thanks to you
23:53<LouWestin>You’re welcome
23:53<zifnab>it appears the answer is "it's better than coal, but not quite as good as hydro"
23:54<zifnab>that's probably a good enough answer.
23:54<zifnab>linode should build hydroelectric plants to power their datacenters
23:54<LouWestin>Hydro dams might be best
23:55<zifnab>the downside is dams generally destroy ecosystems behind them, when they cause an area to flood and turn into a lake
23:55<LouWestin>Right right
23:56<LouWestin>I can ping that site
23:56<zifnab>icmp != tcp
23:56<zifnab>if someone's doing a synflood of some sort, icmp probably still works
23:56<LouWestin>Getting 200’ish from where I’m at.
23:56<LouWestin>Ok. So it’s not totally down
23:56<zifnab>icmp is on the transport layer, same as tcp and udp
23:57<zifnab>but meh, i just found the bad english funny, as i normally do
23:57<zifnab>'would you kindly, please to thanks in advance' is still my favorite
23:57<LouWestin>It’s been over a year since I took a networking class. I remember some of theory. Lol
23:58<zifnab>oh man, centurylink's outage today?
23:58<zifnab>brought 911 services down for a chunk of montana
23:58<zifnab>someone's gonna be in trouble.
---Logclosed Fri Dec 28 00:00:37 2018