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| 00:11 | <teutonicshift> | Hi |
| 00:11 | <millisa> | Greetings |
| 00:12 | <teutonicshift> | wc |
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| 06:13 | <Nick> | Hello |
| 06:13 | <Nick> | I need help |
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| 06:18 | <rsdehart> | must not have been urgent enough to prompt a question |
| 06:18 | <rsdehart> | probably just a heads-up for us |
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| 07:38 | <linbot> | New news from community: why i can't log in my ssh <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/17698> |
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| 07:48 | <linbot> | New news from community: How can I Fix Windows 10 Automatic Repair? <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/17699> |
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| 07:50 | <anthony> | hello |
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| 08:10 | <Woet> | hi |
| 08:38 | <dzho> | where in the world is Woet today? |
| 08:38 | <Woet> | bali |
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| 10:05 | <John> | How can you defend terminating archive.is when they only used you for DNS? https://twitter.com/archiveis/status/1090794206241673216 |
| 10:09 | <nate> | John: I doubt they're going to go into a customers records, however that ticket seems to say enough to me. "considering the history of the account", implies this isn't exactly the first rodeo |
| 10:11 | <John> | So they got the same kind of invalid complaints before, so what? If they only use DNS then there is no reason to accept any kind of takedown request. |
| 10:14 | <John> | A company should stick up for their customers when possible, not bow down just because Zuckerberg said jump! |
| 10:20 | <hawk> | The tweet mentions DMCA, but is it really about DMCA? Not a word about it in the screenshot of the ticket and it doesn't make sense. |
| 10:22 | <synfinatic> | the tweet seems to be using "DMCA" in the general "someone else complained to our provider and took down our content" not the specific law |
| 10:22 | <synfinatic> | in this case, it appears to be a ToS violation |
| 10:22 | <hawk> | synfinatic: That's what I suspect that they actually meant, but DMCA is rather specific. |
| 10:23 | <synfinatic> | it's becoming like "googled" or "xerox" |
| 10:23 | <John> | No content was taken down. Again, Linode was only used for DNS, the URLs in the complaints still work because the content is served by another provider. |
| 10:23 | <synfinatic> | at least that's my educated guess based on the info provided |
| 10:24 | <synfinatic> | I get that. but I also get that such nuances tend to fall on deaf ears. |
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| 10:30 | <John> | The only thing I can think of is in the Acceptable Use Policy: 5: Offensive Content You may not publish, transmit or store on or via the Linode network or equipment any content or links to any content that in Linode's belief: ... or violates a person's privacy. But again, no such content was transferred. |
| 10:32 | <synfinatic> | frankly it could of also just been: "you rent a single $5/mo server and we get a lot of these complaints. frankly, we're losing money dealing with these complaints so off you go" |
| 10:33 | <John> | But if that is the case, what does that say about the company? Why should I support them? |
| 10:34 | <synfinatic> | so one could argue that the data is transfered "via the linode network" due to DNS and the doxxing is a privacy violation. so that would fit the ToS |
| 10:34 | <synfinatic> | "via the linode network" != "over the linode network" |
| 10:35 | <synfinatic> | but just splitting hairs. the ToS means whatever Linode wants the ToS to mean at the end of the day. |
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| 10:36 | <John> | They also mention "links" and linking to Google will technically get you anywhere in one more step but let's drop that part. The problem is siding with a 3rd-party instead of their customer. |
| 10:36 | <synfinatic> | Note: i'm not supporting / defending Linode. I would of preferred them to not kick them off. |
| 10:37 | <synfinatic> | but I fully believe Linode had the _right_ to kick them off |
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| 10:38 | <synfinatic> | and you, I or anyone else who is a Linode customer who doesn't like it to leave Linode for another VPS vendor |
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| 10:38 | <John> | I don't disagree with that, that's why they have a ToS. |
| 10:40 | <synfinatic> | i also seriously doubt linode will provide more details about what / why. Maybe a few vague comments, but you're not going to get a blow by blow explaination. |
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| 10:41 | <John> | I'm more interested in the big picture. First they came for XYZ, then they came for ... etc. |
| 10:46 | <synfinatic> | I don't know the history. I do know if I was running archive I would be talking in advance with my providers and understanding how they might interpret their ToS when complaints arise and only working with those that could confirm I was good. I fully admit that can be difficult unless you're big enough. If you're not big enough, then diversity is key. |
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| 10:47 | <ns412> | Hello everyone. I am doing the Linode tutorial and just seeing if this works. Sorry for the disturbance. |
| 10:48 | <ns412> | (https://www.linode.com/docs/applications/messaging/using-irssi-for-internet-relay-chat/) |
| 10:48 | <synfinatic> | hi ns412. welcome |
| 10:48 | <ns412> | Thanks synfinatic. Can you tell me more about what linode is? |
| 10:49 | <John> | synfinatic: And archive.is quickly moved to a different provider and their service was never interupted. The only end result was me losing trust in Linode. |
| 10:49 | <synfinatic> | Linode is a Virtual Private Server (VPS) provider. specifically targeting Linux instances |
| 10:50 | <dzho> | well, there's also the "linode no longer has a customer that it didn't find worth $5/month" |
| 10:51 | <dzho> | and my guess is any further push on this will only go down on the negative side of that accounting. |
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| 10:51 | <synfinatic> | John that's reasonable I suppose. I guess a lot of that depends on what kind of content you serve via Linode. I've been with Linode for years. I've had a few conversations with support re: complaints in the past. I found them reasonable and never did I worry about being kicked off. |
| 10:51 | <ns412> | Thanks, I'm going to continue the tutorial and learn more about IRC. Are there any good channels or servers you'd recommend I check out? I'm a DC-based web developer looking to learn more about cybersecurity. |
| 10:53 | <synfinatic> | cybersecurity is a really big/broad topic :) Linode is great if you want experience running a public service (like a web server). I would not recommend doing things like port scans or vuln scans from Linode servers if you're thinking along those lines. |
| 10:53 | <dzho> | ns412 in the More Information section from the link you posted, there's a link to another big IRC network, freenode. |
| 10:54 | <dzho> | The link to OFTC is broken, alas, but truncating it to the main site works https://www.oftc.net/ |
| 10:55 | <ns412> | It is! And I'm very much a beginner. I've felt a little behind on understanding security for my web apps or mobile apps, and I've gotten some flak from my colleagues about some security flaws. So I don't quite know where to begin, but I'm just looking for some basic tutorial. |
| 10:55 | <ns412> | Thanks dzho, I will check it out |
| 10:56 | <dzho> | ns412: maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OWASP has some stuff you'd find useful? |
| 10:56 | <ns412> | Looks interesting, thank you! |
| 10:56 | <dzho> | they have a channel on freenode, looks like |
| 10:57 | <synfinatic> | OWASP is a good start then. also reading up on "secure coding practices" |
| 10:57 | <synfinatic> | you can find books / articles specific to the languages you're using as well as more general purpose content. |
| 10:58 | <synfinatic> | i'd start with the OWASP Development Guide |
| 10:59 | <ns412> | This is all very helpful. I program in Django and so many things are taken care of 'out of the box' that I have gotten lazy about understanding exactly what's happening behind the scenes. |
| 10:59 | <ns412> | The OWASP Development Guide looks very good, thanks for the recommendation. |
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| 11:10 | <dzho> | if that was legit it was better work for #linode than we often get done |
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| 11:25 | <trippeh_> | oh hey, new node landed on a EPYC host. |
| 11:25 | <trippeh_> | seems to work. |
| 11:26 | <csnxs> | a processor processing processes? how odd |
| 11:29 | <trippeh_> | heh ok a kernel oops when using "perf stat" |
| 11:29 | <trippeh_> | :) |
| 11:30 | <Peng_> | so it's not processing processes |
| 11:30 | <csnxs> | well not anymore |
| 11:36 | <trippeh_> | probably just my kernel beeing silly on zen |
| 11:39 | <linbot> | New news from community: Store 70 GB hard drive for quick future use <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/17700> |
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| 12:22 | <trippeh_> | performance seems fine, so thats good. slightly edges out the E5v3's on PHP 7.2. ofc no idea how much noise my neighbours are making. |
| 12:23 | <trippeh_> | no meltdown and l1tf probably helps :p |
| 12:23 | <trippeh_> | just some spectres |
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| 15:30 | <linbot> | New news from community: Problems installing Longview on Fedora 29 <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/17702> |
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| 15:50 | <linbot> | New news from community: Point my domain to a Linode <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/17703> |
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| 17:50 | <linbot> | New news from community: Use a different server for a mail server with the same domain name. <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/17704> |
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| 21:04 | * | mcintosh bans RainbowLin |
| 21:04 | <Unit193> | Got something against horses being on IRC, mcintosh? |
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| 21:12 | <@mcintosh> | only when they're hackers |
| 21:12 | <@mcintosh> | that's illegal |
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