| --- | Log | opened Wed Apr 03 00:00:40 2019 |
| 00:05 | <@jcardillo> | if we'd really like to get abstract we could introduce the nonode |
| 00:06 | <millisa> | Status Alert: jcardillo announces nononode |
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| 00:14 | <@jcardillo> | beta coming soon. |
| 00:17 | <Woet> | darwin: if anything, that plan wouldn't have any IPv4 addresses |
| 00:17 | <Woet> | which is the primary cost of low cost plans |
| 00:21 | <darwin> | oh :( |
| 00:22 | <wraeth> | millisa: Would that make a broken *node an ohnonode? |
| 00:22 | <millisa> | no ipv6 either. only console. and zuul. |
| 00:22 | <Woet> | darwin: there are providers that offer NAT IPv4 though |
| 00:23 | <Woet> | you get 10-20 ports that are routed to your VPS, then you set your services up on those ports |
| 00:23 | <Woet> | perfect for things that don't need specific ports or no listeners at all (irc bots, monitoring, backups, etc) |
| 00:23 | <Woet> | darwin: I created a site that might be able to help, https://www.serverhunter.com/ |
| 00:23 | <Woet> | you can get one as little as $2/year if you're okay with 128 MB of RAM |
| 00:26 | <darwin> | well I need more RAM than that (would prefer to have enough a swap file is not seen as necessary) and am not switching from Linode |
| 00:39 | <Woet> | darwin: I don't think Linode is ever going to appeal to a < $5 market |
| 00:39 | <Woet> | none of their competitors do |
| 00:39 | <Woet> | Vultr kinda does, with $2.50 and $3.50 plans, but they are available in extremely limited quantities |
| 00:40 | <Woet> | all you could do is use something like Docker and run multiple applications separated inside the same Linode |
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| 01:00 | <darwin> | and how would that make it cheaper? |
| 01:01 | <Woet> | darwin: because you could have a single Linode with multiple applications instead of multiple Linodes? |
| 01:02 | <darwin> | i don't get it |
| 01:02 | <darwin> | you can do that anyway without such complication |
| 01:02 | <darwin> | i don't really consider Vultr much of a competitor. They're not a free speech company; if you want to criticizes primitive books that advocate genociding non-believers, you can't necessarily do it on Vultr |
| 01:02 | <darwin> | 'criticize' |
| 01:16 | <dcraig> | 'woet' |
| 01:19 | <Woet> | darwin: tldr, very unlikely Linode will offer it, none of their competitors really do |
| 01:19 | <Woet> | dcraig: go back to fishing |
| 01:21 | <dcraig> | "I'd rather be lishing" |
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| 01:38 | <Tradeweb> | hello |
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| 03:07 | <ovallepa> | Hello |
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| 03:11 | <Woet> | HEllo |
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| 03:29 | <grawity> | hrmm |
| 03:30 | <grawity> | is it normal that on one side of a GRE tunnel, tcpdump shows two TCP packets "Flags [.], seq 1:2685, ack 325," "Flags [P.], seq 2685:2966, ack 325," but on the receiving side it's shown as a single packet "Flags [P.], seq 1:2966, ack 325," |
| 03:32 | <akerl> | mcintosh: agreed (and also hi!) |
| 03:32 | <akerl> | I filed a ticket last night about it; haven’t gotten a response yet :( |
| 03:36 | <dwfreed> | to be fair, one could have changed their AuthorizedKeysFile setting in their gold master |
| 03:36 | <dwfreed> | but I feel like those people wouldn't be using that parameter anyway |
| 03:38 | <akerl> | That doesn’t stop the “authorized_keys” parameter from plopping down contents in /root/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 03:39 | <dwfreed> | sure, but it wouldn't do any good if AuthorizedKeysFile didn't reference %h/.ssh/authorized_keys :P |
| 03:39 | <akerl> | True, but at least then the docs would be accurate |
| 03:40 | <akerl> | The major confusion for me is that this implies there’s 2 totally distinct codepaths for the “_keys” and “_users” workflows... I’d naively assumed that “_users” just borrowed saved keys from the manager and fed them into the same code path that drives the “_keys” parameter; which doesn’t seem to be the case given the observed behavior |
| 03:41 | <akerl> | well, that’s one point of confusion. The other is that apparently the support ticket queue is ~12 hours deep :P |
| 03:42 | <dwfreed> | more likely you got deprioritized, or left for somebody who could give a real answer |
| 03:43 | <dwfreed> | the way we treated the ticket queue is no longer really viable |
| 03:43 | <dwfreed> | not without significantly increasing linode staffing levels |
| 03:53 | <@jcardillo> | akerl: if you have a ticket # for me i can take a look |
| 04:27 | <grawity> | oh, I guess the TCP thing is caused by GSO/GRO or something similar |
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| 04:51 | <erik> | dwfreed: I do get fast answers to all my tickets. Very rarely things gets a slow response |
| 04:51 | <erik> | but I might be in some kind of special category. |
| 04:52 | <dwfreed> | more likely based on the type of tickets you open, and when you open them |
| 04:53 | <erik> | dwfreed: thats probably true |
| 04:53 | <akerl> | jcardillo: 11736027 |
| 04:54 | <erik> | dwfreed: most of them are a easy fix for you. Generally just a live migration |
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| 06:01 | <coiax> | am I correct when I say that linodes (by default) use linode's own kernel, rather than the one on the machine? |
| 06:03 | <coiax> | it's just, while I was poking around in the settings for "configuration" I noticed that you had the "Direct Boot" option, along with a whole bunch of kernels tagged linode |
| 06:07 | <nagchampa> | the default is to use a linode kernel, but you can use your own by using direct boot or just using grub2 boot with your own grub config |
| 06:07 | <coiax> | I suppose my real question is then: if you're using a linode kernel, there's no actual point updating the machine's own kernel, is there |
| 06:08 | <nagchampa> | pretty much, although it can be a good fallback/alternative boot, but linodes kernel is guaranteed to work, some distro kernels might not include necessary modules |
| 06:08 | <nagchampa> | i have no problem using the arch kernel though |
| 06:09 | <coiax> | I had a "delightful" time, trying to get ubuntu1204 running on linode, it repeatedly couldn't find the disk drives |
| 06:09 | <coiax> | and yes, I was attempting to use a 7 year old ubuntu distro, for "reasons" |
| 06:09 | <coiax> | luckily for all involved, I found a better solution |
| 06:09 | <coiax> | so I guess, do we know what those modules are |
| 06:09 | <nagchampa> | newer kernels should support older environments |
| 06:10 | <nagchampa> | you could boot with a linode kernel and poke around in /sys |
| 06:10 | <coiax> | I was only chasing an old version of php |
| 06:10 | <coiax> | found more success with just compiling that old php on a newer version of ubuntu |
| 06:10 | <nagchampa> | i'm not sure if they use modules, lsmod would tell you |
| 06:10 | <nagchampa> | yeah, that would be what I would do |
| 06:11 | <coiax> | well this ubuntu1804 machine has 107 modules loaded |
| 06:11 | <coiax> | although, confusingly, looks like not a linode kernel, because -linode is missing from `uname -a` |
| 06:15 | <nagchampa> | you should be able to look at your current boot config in the web control panel |
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| 09:10 | <linbot> | New news from community: External registered domain setup <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/18026> |
| 09:12 | <@mcintosh> | they're both gone but, for the record, that's not true |
| 09:13 | <@mcintosh> | Linodes use distro kernels by default these days |
| 10:07 | <csnxs> | meanwhile im stuck on some ancient linode kernel :D |
| 10:40 | <linbot> | New news from community: High CPU from kswapd0 <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/18027> |
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| 11:41 | <@blaboon> | coiax nagchampa: just following up on what mcintosh already said, the default boot option for new linodes is grub2 which means you'll be booting the distro-supplied kernel |
| 11:41 | <@blaboon> | we still provide and maintain our own linode kernels, but they are no longer the default |
| 11:41 | <grawity> | would you recommend switching existing linodes to grub2 as well |
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| 11:43 | <@blaboon> | if it makes sense for you, then sure. i probably wouldn't go out of your way to make the switch if linode kernels have been working fine for you so far |
| 11:44 | <@blaboon> | but more and more software nowadays (docker in particular) assumes that you have the ability to load kernel modules on the fly, and linode kernels do not provide that ability |
| 11:44 | <@blaboon> | that was one of the rationales behind changing the default |
| 11:45 | <grawity> | they generally have (minus the occassional "whoops we disabled nftables firewall in the kconfig"), but it turns out I actually switched to a distro kernel several months ago and forgot about it >_> |
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| 11:46 | <@blaboon> | that was probably my fault, so sorry for that :P |
| 11:47 | <@blaboon> | our kernels got a bit weird in the middle of last year as we were transitioning to a new build process, but that's all sorted out now |
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| 11:49 | <bobby> | anybody here familiar with nginx?\ |
| 11:49 | <@blaboon> | also regarding distro support - we test our kernels against all of our supported distros, but ubuntu 12.04 has been EOL for almost 2 years so we make no guarantees for that |
| 11:51 | <bobby> | having issues redirecting http to https |
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| 12:08 | <Peng> | Back around 2009, Linode's new kernels supported IPv6 conntrack, but Ubuntu 8.04's ip6tables was too old to support working with conntrack, so you couldn't turn it *off*. That was nice. :D |
| 12:09 | <Peng> | bobby: What kind of issues? |
| 12:09 | <bobby> | redirecting http to https with varnish + nginx |
| 12:10 | <bobby> | seems trickier than normal redirects |
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| 12:29 | <Zr40> | no idea about varnish, but at least as far as nginx is concerned it's quite easy |
| 12:34 | <Zr40> | blaboon: I actually chose to use the linode kernels, so I could remove some of the userspace moving parts (grub, kernel packages, module loading) |
| 12:36 | <@blaboon> | Zr40: yea, we still have lots of people that like to use our kernels (especially for that reason). they're not going anywhere anytime soon :) |
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| 13:20 | <nicolas> | wordpress website got hacked by indoxploit |
| 13:20 | <nicolas> | anybody familiar with this |
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| 14:04 | <newprogrammer> | hi. i want to buy hosting. does linode provide cdn in europe for free ? i mean if i buy hosting can users connect to europe ? |
| 14:05 | <millisa> | Linode doesn't provide a cdn. There are datacenters in London and Frankfurt. https://www.linode.com/speedtest |
| 14:31 | <linbot> | New news from community: How do I setup revers DNS if I am using a nodebalancer <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/18028> |
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| 14:54 | <Jubayer> | hello |
| 14:54 | <millisa> | greetings |
| 14:54 | <Jubayer> | What are payment methods of linode vps? |
| 14:55 | <millisa> | https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-support/billing-and-payments/#payment-methods |
| 14:55 | <Jubayer> | thank you |
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| 16:01 | <akerl> | Is there an RSS/atom/etc for https://developers.linode.com/changelog/ ? |
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| 16:03 | <FluffyFoxeh> | TIL there's a changelog |
| 16:04 | <@mcintosh> | akerl: not that i'm aware of - i noted that we should add one just now |
| 16:05 | <FluffyFoxeh> | !point mcintosh |
| 16:05 | <linbot> | FluffyFoxeh: Point given to mcintosh. (7) |
| 16:07 | <akerl> | Thanks! |
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| 16:30 | <@mcintosh> | akerl: someone's actively working on that |
| 16:36 | <@sjacobs> | https://developers.linode.com/changelog/index.xml |
| 16:38 | <@sjacobs> | looking at it now, it would be nice if each product had a feed. |
| 16:39 | <@sjacobs> | akerl: ^ hope that helps. even if it's just a little bit. |
| 17:19 | <csnxs> | !lick sjacobs |
| 17:19 | <linbot> | csnxs: Point given to sjacobs. (9) |
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| 19:11 | <Ankur> | hello |
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| 19:29 | <@pwoods> | o/ |
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| 20:26 | <newprogrammer> | hi. a while ago i registered linode. but i find it a bit hard to setup because i haven't any linux experience.so i deleted my account completely. then i decided to come back and learn linux and setup linode server. but when i registered with the same email it tell me your account is under review. but first time it didn't tell me anything instead i coulld directly start setup. why my account is under review ? i |
| 20:27 | <newprogrammer> | s it because i registered second time ? and how long will it take to activate my account ?. sorry for bad english |
| 20:31 | <gparent> | Accounts are put under review to make sure they do not represent a security risk. If you give the information required by replying to the support ticket (or email), then they will verify the account. |
| 20:32 | <newprogrammer> | ok. thank you very much ! |
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| 20:52 | <linbot> | New news from community: account is under review ? <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/18029> |
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| 21:22 | <needtomigrate> | new to linode |
| 21:23 | <needtomigrate> | how can i export an entire site and import it to a different domain |
| 21:23 | <needtomigrate> | the site was made using wordpress |
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