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00:29<FluffyFoxeh>8.04 was my first Linux distro
00:30<FluffyFoxeh>I was 12 or so
00:30<FluffyFoxeh>good times
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01:44<linbot>New news from community: Can't create/write to file '/var/tmp/#sql_a41_0.MAI' (Errcode: 2)28 <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/18272>
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02:34<linbot>New news from community: hello this is my website https://socialswap.app/ <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/18273>
02:44<linbot>New news from community: mysqldump - Error: 'Can't create/write to file '/var/tmp/#sql_a41_2.MAI' (Errcode : 2) <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/18274>
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04:24<Thom>Hello
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06:04<linbot>New news from community: How do I get my site working again? (Ubuntu 16.04) <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/18275>
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07:15<Santaliz>Hi.
07:19<Santaliz>So I just did a fresh install of Ubuntu, and I think I am having some issues with DNS.. I can't install anything "Temporary failure resolving 'mirrors.linode.com'" and I can't dig anything either "connection timed out; no servers could be reached".. Tried to reinstall as well.. New to Linux btw. Any ideas?
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07:35<@mcintosh>Santaliz: what does /etc/resolv.conf look like?
07:35<@mcintosh>and, out of curiosity, what version of Ubuntu did you deploy?
07:35<Santaliz>Tried 14, 16 and 19.. Same issue with all
07:36<Santaliz>I will just see, one second
07:38<Santaliz>nameserver 127.0.0.53 options edns0 search members.linode.com
07:38<Santaliz>@mcintosh
07:52<@mcintosh>do you have network helper enabled?
07:52<@mcintosh>https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/network-helper/#single-per-linode
07:58<Santaliz>:mcintosh: Yes, It's enabled.
07:58<Santaliz>I can't do "host google.com" either, or anything related to DNS
08:02<Santaliz>@mcintosh: Any ideas?
08:09<Santaliz>Solved.
08:10<JamesTK>what broke/
08:17<warewolf>xkcd.com/979
08:18<@mcintosh>Santaliz: what resolved it?
08:21<Santaliz>@mcintosh: Linode restricted the network for the Linode, but all solved with them now.
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09:42<harish>hi
09:43<harish>exit
09:43<harish>exit
09:44<harish>help
09:46<LouWestin> /quit
09:46<LouWestin>Try that
09:50<rsdehart>but without the space
09:50<rsdehart>like this
09:50<rsdehart>/quit
09:51<rsdehart>I wonder what percentage of the drive-bys in here are from people just following a tutorial, entirely unaware of linode apart from their address bar
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10:13<frank_>How do I turn off remote access to mysql. I have edited my.cnf and added "bind-address=127.0.0.1" but that did not work. Thanks
10:15<dwfreed>did you restart mysql afterward?
10:16<frank_>Yes and it failed on restart
10:17<dwfreed>with what error message?
10:18<frank_>Failed to start MySQL Community Server. When I comment out the bind-address, I can restart mysql with no problem
10:18<dwfreed>so look at the logs
10:19<frank_>Where are the logs? Sorry for the newbie question
10:19<rsdehart>dwfreed is a true proponent of teaching a man to fish
10:19<rsdehart>frank_: no need to be sorry - most logs are in /var/log
10:19<rsdehart>start there :)
10:20<gparent>teach a man to fish, and he'll make thousands of dollars a day doing technical support at a VPS provider
10:20<gparent>or something
10:20<rsdehart>ya know?
10:20<dwfreed>gparent: I wish I made thousands of dollars a day doing tech support at Linode
10:20<gparent>think big
10:20<rsdehart>Napoleon Hill tells me you just have to want it badly enough
10:21<rsdehart>and I unquestioningly accept everything I read
10:21<rsdehart>hope we haven't lost ya, frank_
10:22<frank_>no I am looking at the logs brb
10:22<rsdehart>sweet
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10:27<frank_>the only thing noteworthy I see in the log is "[Warning] Failed to set up SSL because of the following SSL Library error: SSL context is not usable without certificate and private key.
10:27<frank_>but this is a warning
10:28<skyfaller>hi folks, I have a shared Linode account, and I want to enable two-factor authentication for security purposes but then only one of us would be able to log in. Any suggestions?
10:28<Zr40>create your own sub account
10:29<@bbigger>skyfaller: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/manager/accounts-and-passwords/
10:30<LouWestin>skyfaller: You could save a copy the 2fa key
10:30<skyfaller>Zr40: I didn't know that was a thing!
10:30<skyfaller>Thanks folks :)
10:30<Zr40>LouWestin: well, you could, but I'm rather a proponent of per-user accounts :)
10:31<dwfreed>yeah, it's not a great idea to share a single user/password combo
10:32<dwfreed>this is why netflix needs sub-users
10:32<LouWestin>Zr40: Yeah I’d prefer having separate accounts or some secondary access
10:32<LouWestin>Netflix does have sub profiles
10:32<LouWestin>Not quite the same though
10:33<Zr40>at least you can reset the password without signing out other devices
10:33<Zr40>with Netflix, that is
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10:34<skyfaller>does anyone know if it is possible to add an existing Linode account? I like my username :/
10:34<dwfreed>no, usernames must be globally unique
10:35<skyfaller>Kind of obnoxious, this means I need to have two Linode entries in Authenticator? I guess this is the price of security
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10:35<dwfreed>yep
10:44<LouWestin>It’s probably safest to have your own account and grant sudo access to each machine you desire.
10:44<dwfreed>I logged into root on my old Linodes, but I understood the security implications of doing that
10:45<dwfreed>this one, since I'm running my irc client on it, is a normal user
10:45<dwfreed>however, since the sudo is passwordless, it's kind of a moot point
10:46<LouWestin>What I’m saying is certainly debatable and not fail proof.
10:49<khaberz_>sudo makes it explicit. Since you have to specify "I want to do this as root" errors are much less likely than when logged in as root.
10:50<dwfreed>khaberz_: sure, but in the event of compromise, becoming root is as simple as 'sudo ...'
10:50<dwfreed>when there's no password to stand in your way
10:51<khaberz_>Yes, no improvement when your account is compromised, but a big improvement on avoiding errors.
10:51<gparent>logging in as root is pretty explicit too.
10:51<gparent>don't do it for non-admin stuff?
10:51<LouWestin>I should clarify that granting cmd access could be less damaging than having full access to the Linode account.
10:51<dwfreed>gparent: see my note about how I always logged in as root :D
10:51<khaberz_>...if you only log in to do the things you have to do as root, yes
10:51<gparent>you understood that fine it seems.
10:52<gparent>just like you wouldn't sudo every command.
10:52<Zr40>I typically disable direct root login on systems I manage
10:52<khaberz_>Dito
10:52<gparent>Odd.
10:52<dwfreed>there is some value to it in most situations
10:52<dwfreed>however, I would still allow root login on console
10:53<dwfreed>and in an enterprise environment, with appropriate logging and alerting for it
10:53<gparent>I mean, you're gonna want to log and alert that passwordless sudo anyway.
10:54<gparent>it's even simpler to just log SSH to root.
10:54<gparent>so sure.
10:54<dwfreed>yes, sudo would be logged as well
10:54<LouWestin>In a small business environment. Access should be very carefully granted with some form of backup/recovery if SHFT.
10:55<dwfreed>you swapped your F and T
10:55<dwfreed>should SHTF
10:55<dwfreed>s/should/& be/
10:55<LouWestin>Oops. Thanks
10:55<gparent>or shit hits the fan, since censoring is for children :D
10:55<dwfreed>hehe
10:55<skyfaller>Shit Hits FlameThrower
10:55<gparent>I like that.
10:56<dwfreed>that just smells awful
10:56<millisa>Snaps Half From Thanos
10:56<LouWestin>I error on the side of caution.
10:56<LouWestin>skyfaller put it better.
10:58<LouWestin>In cases like someone I knew had a website designer, who whatever reason, deleted their site.
10:58<millisa>it's called 'minimalism'
10:59<gparent>backups matter more there than how you handle the root account
10:59<gparent>those people can sudo destroy_everything just fine.
10:59<LouWestin>^^this
10:59<gparent>(at least you'll get a log)
10:59<millisa>(it's neat, it's heavy, it's wood!)
11:00<LouWestin>Hopefully they don’t destroy the logs too.
11:01<khaberz_>...or the backups :-)
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11:02<LouWestin>That’s why I’d have separate linode accounts or at least a separate backup
11:02<dwfreed>that's why you ship logs to a remote logging host
11:02<dwfreed>or use something like splunk
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11:05<LouWestin>Logical yes. It’s hard enough trying to convince people just to have backups
11:06<gparent>yeah having them not writable over is another step
11:06<LouWestin>Folks be like $2-5 a month for backups!? I think the F not! $6 a day for Starbucks? Of course.
11:06<gparent>Starbackup
11:06<skyfaller>hey folks, I don't mean to spark a distro war, but it appears that Linode defaulted to Debian when I went to create a Linode with a new account. Is there any reason to use Debian over e.g. Ubuntu on Linode?
11:07<gparent>Yeh Ubuntu suckz0rs
11:07<gparent>that's why
11:07<LouWestin>Debian for stability
11:07<rsdehart>centos for stability /s
11:07<LouWestin>Ubuntu for more cutting edge.
11:07<gparent>this is just an anecdote but I've had far less problems during either package or system upgrades on debin.
11:07<LouWestin>Or centos
11:08<rsdehart>not-centos if you like having packages from this century
11:08<skyfaller>people say you don't need cutting-edge software on a server, but it makes me very nervous seeing old version numbers on things, running Ubuntu LTS has been giving me the heebie-jeebies
11:09<LouWestin>Upgrading from Debian 7 to 8 was no problem. 8-9, not so much.
11:09<LouWestin>skyfaller: You need at least the minimum version for whatever you’re running
11:11<skyfaller>it's nice knowing I don't have to update my operating system until 2028, but I bet if I haven't upgraded my operating system in 9+ years I'll have forgotten how
11:11<rsdehart>hopefully by then you'll have someone to do it for you
11:11<rsdehart>while you're sipping a mojito on a beach somewhere
11:11<LouWestin>Upgrades for Debian come out about every 2-3 years.
11:12<skyfaller>yeah, because I'll be an old man and it's hard to SSH in from the retirement home
11:12<rsdehart>doubtful
11:12<rsdehart>about the difficulty
11:12<rsdehart>not about your assessment of your own age :]
11:12<LouWestin>I ssh from my phone
11:12<khaberz_>Just use bigger fonts in the terminal app.
11:12<rsdehart>I bet a whole lot of retirement homes have wifi
11:12<millisa>I ssh from my retirement home...
11:13<LouWestin>Is dial up still available?
11:13<rsdehart>probably
11:13<skyfaller>I've been in assisted living homes, they're creepy cushy prisons, I hope I never have to live in one
11:14<rsdehart>huh. "Apr 1, 2017 - Even though millions of people in the U.S. still rely on dial-up, that ..."
11:14<rsdehart>that's wild
11:14<LouWestin>As long as you have a 3G connection on your phone, that’ll work too.
11:15<skyfaller>I wonder who the oldest Linode user is?
11:16<skyfaller>oldest as in oldest person, not the person who used Linode the longest
11:19<millisa>not sure if they are around, 'theadmiral' used to come in here, they are pretty old.
11:20<gparent>ubuntu upgrade has been the same commands for years though
11:20<gparent>how can you handle windows if ubuntu makes you nervous
11:21<gparent>it's basically do-release-upgrade and watch The Wire while you read the release notes on the side
11:21<dwfreed>millisa: last seen 16 months ago
11:21<dwfreed>almost 17
11:23<millisa>very sad.
11:23<millisa>then again, he mostly only popped in when atlanta was unplugged. someone go hit the ATS
11:24<dwfreed>so we should unplug atlanta again
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12:06<skyfaller>do you think it would easier to switch from Ubuntu LTS to the regular releases or vice-versa?
12:10<dwfreed>it is easier to go forward than backward
12:10<dwfreed>regardless of LTS vs non-LTS
12:11<dwfreed>keep in mind that non-LTS releases have short support lifecycles, so if you move to non-LTS, you have to keep up with updates to new releases
12:11<LouWestin>Is it like a year from release for support?
12:15<LouWestin>skyfaller: The simple answer is, you don’t want stuff breaking on a production system. Running a testing server is fine.
12:15<LouWestin>Stability is more important.
12:16<skyfaller>LouWestin: it looks like less than a year, 19.04 came out in April and support ends in January 2020
12:16<LouWestin>Than having the next version.
12:16<LouWestin>Ok then it’s about a year. Fedora is the same.
12:17<LouWestin>But you get two releases a year.
12:18<skyfaller>I guess on LTS I find myself manually updating a few packages like Caddy and Hugo, and I wonder what it would be like to be able to just use the versions from the package manager
12:18<skyfaller>I'm also really worried that I'll forget how to upgrade the OS, because that happened to me once, I tried an upgrade and my websites all stopped working, couldn't figure out why, had to create a new Linode from scratch
12:19<LouWestin>I ran Wordpress which I pulled from their site rather than Debians repo
12:20<LouWestin>So you don’t have to stick straight to the repo only. Generally things like PHP, MySQL, Apache etc. are fine from the repo even if they’re a version behind.
12:21<LouWestin>I’d advise to get on the mailing lists for updates on whichever OS you choose
12:22<LouWestin>Also backups are important too. Especially if you’re doing upgrades
12:23<skyfaller>yeah, in that situation I had a backup and could roll back, but support for the old OS had ended so it wasn't safe to use the backup
12:24<dwfreed>support ends 3 months after the release of the next version for non-LTS, iirc
12:35<skyfaller>thanks for your advice everyone, keep it real!
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12:37*LouWestin is always real.
12:37<gparent>keep it imaginary
12:38<@bbigger>i is always imaginary
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14:00<Peng>!wx ksfb
14:00<linbot>Peng: [metar] OBS at KSFB: 91.4F/33C, visibility 10 miles, wind 8.06 mph, chill 97.19F (altimeter: 29.98) [KSFB 301753Z 12007KT 10SM CLR 33/18 A2998 RMK AO2 SLP149 T03330183 10339 20244 ]
14:00*nb wonders if anyone has tried to install RHEL8 on a linode
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14:42<Rodrigo>Hi
14:42<Peng>hello
14:47<Rodrigo>An account has been created on our domain isptec.net.br and we no longer have access to the e-mails noc@isptec.net.br, vfeitoza@isptec.net.br nor the CPANEL configurations. you can reconfigure these accounts for me, and send them to the email rodrigo@isptec.com.br with the new access passwords
14:48<dwfreed>Rodrigo: you need to email support at support@linode.com
14:49<dwfreed>this is a community channel, nobody here can help you
14:49<Rodrigo>ok
14:49<Rodrigo>thank you!!
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14:50<dwfreed>(their email is hosted on their Linode; not a great idea)
14:50<Peng>D:
14:51<Peng>I take it vfeitoza got hit by a bus
14:52<Peng>If that *actually* happened, I apologize for being glib. >_<
14:53<dwfreed>this is what happens when you have a bus factor of 1
15:12<FluffyFoxeh>I host my email on my Linode
15:12<FluffyFoxeh>maybe I should add a backup MX record
15:12<dwfreed>do you host your Linode account email address on your Linode?
15:12<millisa>or add a second user that uses an alternate mail
15:12<FluffyFoxeh>dwfreed: Yes, which is the problem
15:12<dwfreed>yeah
15:13<dwfreed>I think you can put commas in the user email address
15:13<dwfreed>(and thus list multiple email addresses for one user)
15:32<linbot>New news from community: DJANGO app on linode server works apart from python script <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/18276>
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16:35<Eugene>I usually do a 16-belt bus, with 4 groups of 4 and 2 or 4 spaces between each group. It looks pretty and there's plenty of room for splitters.
16:36<dwfreed>Eugene: wrong channel?
16:36<Eugene>You're the one that brought up bus factors
16:37<dwfreed>wrong kind of bus
16:37<Eugene>I think somebody is starting a mod for that too. https://mods.factorio.com/mod/TrainNetworkForPlayers
16:39<dwfreed>heh
16:43<nuevu>!point Eugene
16:43<linbot>nuevu: Point given to eugene. (74) (Biggest fan: jalter, total: 26)
16:45<linbot>New news from kernels: 5.1.5-x86_64-linode126 <https://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1559248239#340> || 5.1.5-x86-linode146 <https://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1559248237#339>
16:45<Peng>:O
16:52<Eugene>!lick zifnab
16:52<linbot>Eugene: Point given to zifnab. (21)
17:04<zifnab>!seduce Eugene
17:05<zifnab>Shit.
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18:02<nb>!urmom
18:02<linbot>Yo mommas so fat they mistook her for the ninth planet! (35:1/0) [ormmu]
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18:19<LouWestin>Tuesday I was dealing with 6th graders make mom jokes and then getting mad at each other.
18:21<LouWestin>At the time trying comprehend why they were taking such great offense it.
18:21<LouWestin>*to it.
18:35<synfinatic>sometimes the truth hurts :)
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19:10<george>hey. how do I create an account without having an email ?
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19:10<millisa>i'm not sure that you do
19:12<Guest3944> I mean an account on linode.com
19:12<Guest3944>to spin a server one needs to create an account that needs email
19:13<Peng>Can you get an email account?
19:13<Guest3944>the reason to spin a new server was to actually setup an email server
19:13<Peng>It's a good idea to have a separate email service anyway.
19:13<Guest3944>kind of keeping it clean, no google or outlook or anything
19:13<Guest3944>but do need a server for emailing
19:13<Guest3944>seems chiken egg
19:14<Peng>It is.
19:14<millisa>{phone#}@phoneprovider ?
19:15<Guest3944>there is no just username or something like that ?
19:16<millisa>it depends on your phone provider. most of them have a way to email to the number . . .seems like a roundabout way rather than using an existing address you have
19:16<millisa>it's not like you can't switch your address later
19:16<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/manager/accounts-and-passwords/#changing-your-email-address
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19:16<Peng>Like I said, it's a good idea to have your account email address on separate infrastructure anyway.
19:17<Peng>What if your Linode goes down, and then Linode needs to email you?
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19:21<millisa>Peng: I still want to use their fax number for communication
19:21<Peng>:D
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19:22<Peng>Now I want to file a really mundane ticket by fax.
19:22<LouWestin>Snail mail
19:23<LouWestin>I’ll send them a check from now on I think
19:23<millisa>"I just tripped over the doorstop in the supply closet. My linode controls my door security in the building and went down. The only thing in this room is a pots line and a fax with a broken handset. Help!"
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19:26<millisa>"Why did they have our fax number in the supply closet?"
19:28<millisa>it's billing day tomorrow. maybe i can feed a 20 into the fax and make them happy
19:29<Eugene>.....I have submitted tickets by fax.
19:30<Eugene>It was a billing problem at a startup years ago, I'm glad the Accountant was able to figure it out with support
19:30<Eugene>I never did try to make a SIP: call though
19:31<Eugene>Thats just weird
19:31<LouWestin>Overnight UPS them a check
19:32<Eugene>I think they did. It was some outrageous amount that exceeded what Mastercard would allow, like $10k for a month
19:36<LouWestin>That would be sensible
19:43<linbot>New news from community: php 7.2 on Debian 9? <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/18277>
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20:33<linbot>New news from community: Apache Default page is displaying instead of my website <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/18278>
21:01<LouWestin>Debian 10 is going to have PHP 7.3. I was trying to see what version I had for 9 via the command line. Bash didn't recognize php... oh, duh... I don't have PHP installed anymore.
21:25<gparent>7.0
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22:05<LouWestin>Yup yup
22:26<Abi12>fax is some pretty cool tech.
22:27<LouWestin>I did send a fax today
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23:03<timnolte>I don't recall from when I was using Linode in the past, after you pick say the Linode 2GB standard plan can you add an additional CPU only, or do you have to jump to the Linode 4GB plan?
23:04<LouWestin>You have to go to the 4GB plan
23:04<timnolte>OK, thanks <LouWestin>
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23:05<LouWestin>you're welcome. They did add dedicated CPUs recently.
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23:25<ssa>Good morrow Linodeans!
23:25<ssa>Has anyone here deployed a nomad cluster on Linode?
23:26<ssa>(hashicorp/nomad); I'm giving it a try with a cluster of consul + nomad (3 servers + 2 clients) with standard configuration.
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23:28<ssa>Any service that I'm launching with nomad is registering with consul for service discovery. All good.
23:28<ssa>However, the service is registering with node's public IP instead of private IP.
23:29<ssa>If anyone here has deployed nomad on Linode, I could use a clue. I'm wondering if I should try it without auto configured networking.
23:33<dwfreed>I doubt network helper is having an impact there
23:35<dwfreed>ssa: maybe just specify bind_addr in the nomad config?
23:41<ssa>dwfreed: Thanks. I tried it across the cluster. All it did was bind the internal services to the private ip.
23:51<LouWestin>dwfreed, I just remembered a reason why I sometimes run root (the account is disabled) as you mentioned earlier.
23:51<LouWestin>sometimes I need to into certain directories that I can't otherwise get into
23:53<Peng>Main reason I log in as root is to run ls with shell completion
23:53<LouWestin>I couldn't get into some of the log directories using sudo cd
23:55<dwfreed>because cd is a bash builtin
23:55<dwfreed>s/bash/shell/
23:56<LouWestin>the shortest/quickest way was to sudo su. not sure if that's the right way
23:56<wraeth>sudo -i
23:58<dwfreed>^
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