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#linode IRC Logs for 2019-05-31

---Logopened Fri May 31 00:00:03 2019
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00:09<LouWestin>I looked at it a little bit it’s not making sense. Probably means I need to retire for the night
00:11<dwfreed>sudo -i is almost exactly like logging in as the target user
00:11<dwfreed>(whether that's root or another user)
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00:48<zifnab>!caress Eugene
00:48<linbot>zifnab: Point given to eugene. (75)
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01:08<gparent>welp, just lost access to TOR from my ISP :(
01:08<gparent>as in the linode location not the service
01:10<linbot>Peng: [mtr-atlanta] 8.|-- 2600:3c04::1 0.0% 3 57.8 57.3 54.7 59.3 2.2 -- 9.|-- 2600:3c04::f03c:91ff:feba:c4f8 0.0% 3 53.1 53.1 53.0 53.2 0.0 -- see for full mtr
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01:10<Peng>...53 ms?
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01:13<gparent>Error: "mtr-toronto" is not a valid command.
01:17<@mtjones>We're looking into a networking problem in Toronto now.
01:17<Cromulent>hmm I'm starting to get to the stage where I need to clean out my linode as hard drive space is being used up but I'm not sure where to start
01:18<Cromulent>its been running since 2017 so there is quite a bit of cruft that has built up over time
01:18<gparent>apt-get clean
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01:18<dwfreed>^ that can help
01:18<Peng>git gc
01:19<Cromulent>ah OK - thanks although I do do autoclean on a semi regular basis
01:19<gparent>logs can grow surprisingly large.
01:19<Cromulent>I bet my apache logs are pretty big
01:19<gparent>thanksfully they compress very well
01:19<Peng>sudo du -hxd 1 / | sort -h
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01:20<dwfreed>cd /; sudo du -ahxd 1 | sort -h
01:21<dwfreed>the value of this is you can cd into a subdir and repeat the sudo command
01:21<dwfreed>rather than having to remove the / from the du parameters
01:21<dwfreed>this also includes files in the current directory
01:21<dwfreed>eg, I have a 40 GB swapfile in / that would be missed by your command
01:22<dwfreed>it would show up in / usage, but you would have to think harder about why
01:22<Peng>Yeah. The "think harder" option usually works for me.
01:23<dwfreed>du -haxd 1 for easier remembering
01:23<dwfreed>du haxd 1
01:23<Peng>I like having less output and more thinking. I should try -a though.
01:24<Peng>It'd be neat if it had a "sum of files in the current directory" option.
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01:30<TJ->Peng: you mean like "-s" ?
01:30<linbot>New news from status: Connectivity Issues - Toronto <>
01:32<Peng>!mtr-atlanta -4
01:32<linbot>Peng: ('The read operation timed out',)
01:32<Peng>!mtr-atlanta -4
01:32<linbot>Peng: ('The read operation timed out',)
01:32<Peng>!mtr-atlanta -4n
01:32<linbot>Peng: [mtr-atlanta] 7.|-- 0.0% 3 52.8 52.8 52.7 52.9 0.0 -- 8.|-- 0.0% 3 53.1 53.0 52.8 53.1 0.0 -- see for full mtr
01:33<Peng>Well, my *home* ISP doesn't have an IPv4 route to TOR1.
01:47<@mtjones>Just as a heads up we've identified the network problem in Toronto and it's being worked on now.
01:51<gparent>the problem is toronto. there's no way around it.
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02:00<linbot>New news from status: Connectivity Issues - Dallas <>
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02:07<Peng>Oh. February.
02:07<dwfreed>oh, wow
02:07<Peng>!unpoint linbot
02:07<linbot>Peng: Point taken from linbot! (1337)
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02:15<linbot>New news from community: Linode shut down, can't connect to console. <>
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02:19<Woet>"I cannot even connect via Linode's console"
02:19<dwfreed>Could be any number of things
02:20<Woet>I bet it's the Linux screensaver
02:21<dwfreed>stop being a dick
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02:21<Woet>how is that being a dick
02:22<dwfreed>if I have to explain it to you...
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03:09<hillbilly>the transfer/mo what does that mean exactly?
03:09<hillbilly>is that any data to or from the linode?
03:10<dwfreed>from the linode to the internet
03:11<dwfreed>so if you have a 100 GB file on your Linode, and 10 people download it once, you will use 1 TB of transfer
03:11<dwfreed>if those same 10 people upload a 100 GB file to your Linode each, you will not use any transfer, because that is inbound to the Linode
03:11<dwfreed>(well, you'll use some, but that's insignificant)
03:12<hillbilly>i see
03:12<Zr40>and if you have multiple linodes, their transfer gets added together in a single pool
03:13<Woet>and it gets prorated if your Linode exists less than a month
03:13<hillbilly>and i can resize linodes on the fly?
03:13<hillbilly>add more ram add another cpu/disks etc?
03:13<hillbilly>so i can start with the nano?
03:14<dwfreed>there is some downtime, but yes, you can change your plan whenever you want
03:14<Woet>you can upgrade to a bigger plan, yes
03:14<Woet>not specific specs
03:14<hillbilly>just to get the site functional and then add to it as it groews?
03:14<hillbilly>i see
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03:28<hillbilly>when you do a resize, your machine gets a new ip address?
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03:55<linbot>New news from community: How do I protect accidental shutdown of my linode instance. <> || How do I protect accidental shutdown of my linode instance. <>
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06:22<LouWestin>dwfreed: ok thanks!
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06:52<bontet>hi there
06:53<bontet>id like to ask can i deploy django website in here?
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07:35<LouWestin>And bye
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08:28<JamesTK>...That's weird. I lost connections to all my irc servers -and- there was a major netsplit. Issue @ linode?
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08:28<csnxs>appears so
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08:28<csnxs>my london linode just disappeared for a moment
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08:29<csnxs>and my friend's nj linode disappeared at the same time
08:29<JamesTK>My Tokyo linode did too
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08:29<LouWestin>I see the net spilt too
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09:36<linbot>New news from status: Connectivity Issues – Multiple Data Centers <>
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10:14<synfinatic>bontet: we prefer it if you didn't deploy a website here in this IRC channel, but you're free to do so on a Linode. :)
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11:16<Peng>Does it ever seem like IRC runs primarily on Linode
11:17<dwfreed>I mean, you're in #linode
11:18<dwfreed>as well as OFTC has 4 Linodes for IRC servers, one hub and 3 leaf
11:22<millisa>as someone who has znc on their linode . . .yes. that's how I see it.
11:22<dwfreed>I am also on a Linode
11:24<Peng>Hey, IPv6 came back 6 seconds before IPv4.
11:25<Peng>(In Dallas.) This is why everyone should use IPv6.
11:26<LouWestin>I use both for redundancy.
11:26<LouWestin>That’s sort of a joke.
11:27<Zr40>I do actually go out of my way to add all three addresses (IPv4 public, private, IPv6) in various combinations in DNS so that whatever makes most sense gets used
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11:36<LouWestin>I believe I have the ipv6 addresses setup through the domains I use in linodes manager.
11:44<dwfreed>I forgot, we have 4 leaves, 1 hub, so 5 Linodes
11:44<dwfreed>forgot the one in Singapore
11:45<dwfreed>or is that tokyo, I forget
11:45<Peng>I say move them all to Toronto, it's newest
11:48<Peng>Anyone created enough Toronto Linodes to have an opinion on whether it has more or fewer AMD CPUs? :D
11:50<gparent>Linode should do something to prevent fires from happening in the first place. This is unacceptable!
11:52<Peng>coming soon, a Linode data center in the Arctic Ocean
11:53<dwfreed>the ocean with bears
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12:20<Eugene>!lick zifnab
12:20<linbot>Eugene: Point given to zifnab. (22) (Biggest fan: eugene, total: 19)
12:27<zifnab>Eugene: what's up
12:27<Eugene>Point farming, you're supposed to return the favor
12:27<zifnab>!caress Eugene
12:27<linbot>zifnab: Point given to eugene. (76) (Biggest fan: jalter, total: 26)
12:27<Eugene>If we do it once a day we won't trigger the anti-spam provisions
12:28<zifnab>I'm on a bus
12:28<zifnab>Someone scheduled a 9am meeting on my second to last day
12:28<zifnab>I laughed and told them I haven't shown up at 9 in over a year and wasn't going to start now
12:29<zifnab>I would kill for a 7 or 14 express bus
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12:33<Eugene>Who would you kill
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12:37<zifnab>That's a great question and I didn't think that far ahead.
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13:36<bestdesign1>with linode vps have any ddos protect?
13:37<LouWestin>You gotta run dns through cloudflare for that
13:39<bestdesign1>basicly with cloudflare dns no one get my VPS server ip address is right?
13:39<dwfreed>as long as you don't do anything dumb, yes
13:40<bestdesign1>hmm is a nice feature
13:41<LouWestin>Personally I don’t use it or worry about it, but that’s me.
13:43<bestdesign1>LouWestin: you are a sys admin or something :)?
13:44<LouWestin>I run a a couple personal servers. Technically I would be a system admin, but I’m not big on titles.
13:45<bestdesign1>LouWestin: centos ones?
13:47<bestdesign1>LouWestin: i really older used that
13:47<bestdesign1>but fine
13:48<bestdesign1>LouWestin: you pro at ircd config?
13:48<LouWestin>Nope never done it.
13:51<dwfreed>do yourself a favor and use an existing network
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13:53<bestdesign1>dwfreed: yes of course more easy
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14:09<linbot>New news from community: Make my webserver accessible to the outside world? <>
14:15*cruxeternus votes "No."
14:16*LouWestin wonders why someone would set their website to port 8080
14:16<cruxeternus>To run it as non-root?
14:17<LouWestin>Not sure. But his domain name ends with that port attached
14:18<tmberg>Cause its double 80. = twice as fast as regular port 80. =)
14:20<LouWestin>LOL I should changes my sites to 443443443. Triple the encryption right?
14:21<cruxeternus>quadruple ROT13
14:22<tmberg>LouWestin: Wow. You should _really_ try it!
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14:32<LouWestin>If i set it up correctly I should get a triple AAA rating on that SSL testing site right? LOL
14:34<cruxeternus>That would be funny if most government agency security checklists were any better...
14:35<millisa>at least the nist password guidelines are less stupid than they used to be
14:36<bestdesign1>you guys linode users?
14:36<millisa>most of us
14:36<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
14:37<dzho>millisa: the one good recommendation that I can remember, and that makes sense to me--that forcing password changes due to an expiry policy--is widely ignored, alas
14:37<dwfreed>expiry policies are bad
14:37<dzho>er, that one should not force expiry changes, that is
14:37<dwfreed>oh, yeah
14:37<dzho>they are bad, but they are so, so widely done still!
14:38<dzho>and in the name of security standards and and and
14:38<dwfreed>laypeople have a hard enough time remembering their password without you forcing them to change it every 90 days
14:38*dzho slumps his shoulders, kicks a bit of dirt on the ground
14:38<dwfreed>the US Social Security Administration got rid of their expiry policy, thankfully
14:38<dwfreed>I think that's the only service I use that had one
14:38<LouWestin>My local college forces password changes every 6 months or so
14:39<millisa>sounds like they need to read update nist then
14:39<dwfreed>for 99% of laypeople, you can tell them to write their passwords down on a sticky note and put it in their wallet or purse
14:39<dzho>you really can
14:39<dzho>except they aren't supposed to re-use them
14:39<dwfreed>just don't fully write down what service they're for
14:39<dzho>so that turns into "use a password manager"
14:40<dwfreed>yeah, but they can still write their password manager password on a sticky note in their wallet/purse
14:40<dzho>heh, sure
14:40<LouWestin>I’ve seen a few teachers who have left their login credentials on their desk.
14:41<millisa>my desk is full of login credentials. all of them wrong.
14:41<dzho>this is I think a symptom of a wider problem, less prevalent in some European countries I think but particularly bad in the US
14:41<dwfreed>(for those following along, questioning this suggestion: in 99.99% of cases, somebody stealing your wallet or purse isn't after your passwords, they're after your credit cards and cash)
14:41<dzho>and that's the idea of blaming people for not adapting fully to bad infrastructure
14:42<dzho>got bad security infra and policies? blame the user for coming up with work arounds!
14:42<dzho>automobile deaths approach 10X those of 9/11 every year? blame bad drivers!
14:43<dwfreed>I mean, bad drivers have a lot to do with it in that situation
14:43<dzho>our urban planning is for shit
14:43<dwfreed>but there are also other factors at play
14:43<dwfreed>like poor urban planning
14:43<dzho>this is why I didn't just call out the US, but I pointed to some EU countries
14:43<dzho>eg, .nl
14:46<dzho>I guess we are doomed to be in violent agreement around certain facets of this situation.
14:50<Eugene>I like my island life. I'm ~45 minutes from Seattle by bus+ferry, but I don't have to be. I can see the supermarket and library from my house, and walk most places in town in under 10 minutes. There's even Gigabit internet available at my address. Everything is wildly too expensive here and its full of tourists in the summer.... but I get to drive a dump truck and have a garden with ducks. So whaddya want?
14:50<Eugene>Y'all should come visit sometime
14:50<millisa>just to be clear . .are the ducks riding in the dump truck?
14:51<Eugene>Sometimes I carry a few flats of eggs in the cab, yes. Have not actually moved any sizable quantity of ducks (or dirt) with it yet.... stuck in paperwork and mechanical preparations before it's really load-worthy.
14:52<dwfreed>why are some of these really short videos that loop
14:53<millisa>apple live photo thing?
14:53<Eugene>Because that's how iPhone cameras work
14:59<LouWestin>Eugene: my daughter’s aunt moved to Seattle and she was recently visiting here.
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15:01<dzho>Eugene: whenever I picture that sort of thing, I'm dodging RC model pterodactyls with Ally Sheedy by the beach
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15:17<Eugene>Garden, for the sake of the thing:
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15:20<linbot>New news from community: Linode CLI returning "API unavailable: 301 Moved Permanently"? <>
15:25*nb wonders what color shirts linode will have at SELF this year
15:25*nb likes the linode shirts
15:26<nb>I think I have a maroonish color one, a blue one and a green one
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15:59<@mcintosh>issue with the old CLI from that community question above has been resolved
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16:17<staticsafe>yay looks like Toronto is coming back online
16:17<gparent>There's been an update 10 mins ago
16:17<gparent>IPv4 proven superior once more
16:18<gparent>"Update - We've been able to restore IPv4 connectivity to our Toronto data center. We're still working to fully restore IPv6 connectivity, and will continue to provide updates here until this issue is resolved."
16:25<staticsafe>yeah I got the e-mail
16:28<Peng>Much as I normally troll about IP versions, I'm sorry y'all are going through this.
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16:34<staticsafe> the fibre damage from the fire is real
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18:02<linbot>New news from community: Linode is a US company <>
18:11<Peng> They know how to stay calm
18:11<Peng>"Good Morning ... some of our equipment is currently on fire ..."
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18:44<LouWestin>In reply to that forum post I would’ve like dwfreed to say that the NSA, CIA, FBI all have a direct fiber line link to all of Linode’s DC’s LOL
18:45<csnxs>I know that mcintosh is actually an nsa agent
18:47<LouWestin>I mean gez... if you’re really that worried you’re probably going to get caught anyway you go....
18:47<millisa>"I want to signup without an email address..."
18:48<LouWestin>Shhh... you’re blow McIntosh’s cover
18:48<LouWestin>*Going to
18:48<millisa>or blow his chances at getting promoted to fax-duty
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19:25<nate>Huh strange, looks like there was a hell of a fremont hiccup while I was out, all my bouncers both IPv4 and IPv6 hiccup'd except for my connection to freenode o.O
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19:33<dwfreed>nate: yes, there were some widespread network issues (multiple DCs) at about 12:25 UTC
19:44<nate>Yeah that would be about the time. Weird to be multiple DC's though.
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19:58<nate>huh weird, had a client system that seems to have implied that it updated the LE certs on the system (had an updated renewal time for next month) but the certs were still the old expired ones
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20:08<nate>The linode DNS Updates on every 15 of an hour right? Not just 15 minutes after an update/push?
20:11<@mtjones>That's right, updates take place every 15 minutes.
20:23<Abi12>i promise you that 15 minutes will feel like an hour.
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21:39<Toba>6-8 weeks for shipping & handling
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21:57<Thompson>are you a linode staff? I have a question regarding pricing
21:57<Toba>I am not
22:00<Thompson>I recently bought a vm 10 dollar per month and it's said that the network is 2000 Mbps Network Out. However, the network speed is not as fast as 2000 Mbps. It's confused.
22:02<@mtjones>Transfer speeds can be limited by a number of factors, such as distance from where the file is to the destination, congestion on the route the connection takes, or overhead from the transfer protocol used. In most cases you won't be able to get 2Gbps on a single transfer, but if you try multiple transfers at the same time you'll be able to get the full 2Gbps, or very close to it.
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22:03<@mtjones>It depends on a lot of variables, though. If you'd like I'd be happy to take a look at the speeds you're getting. Could you open a ticket and let me know the ticket number?
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