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| 01:37 | <ughugh> | Is there a way to manually trigger the maintenance needed to fix the zombieland thinger? |
| 01:39 | <Peng> | No. If you can find a way to migrate to a different host -- for example, resizing, or taking a free upgrade -- you'll move to a host that doesn't need maintenance, though. |
| 01:42 | <ughugh> | darn sizes are all what I want. And no free upgrades available. |
| 01:42 | <ughugh> | oh well. I was able to do the most important one by doing the free upgrade route |
| 01:43 | <ughugh> | Thank goodness because doing the automatic migration at 6 pm our local time would have been bad. |
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| 01:52 | <millisa> | size up, don't resize the disk, then size back down. 2 downtimes are better than 1! |
| 01:56 | <ughugh> | hehehe |
| 01:56 | <millisa> | (it worked when I tried it) |
| 02:00 | <dwfreed> | note that if you do that all in the same hour, you end up paying for the same hour 3 times |
| 02:01 | <dwfreed> | also you will pay noticeably more that month, because you won't hit the monthly caps |
| 02:01 | <millisa> | you were going to move to that 4gpu instance anyways, right? right? |
| 02:03 | <ughugh> | haha |
| 02:03 | <ughugh> | Nope |
| 02:03 | <ughugh> | By the way, the classic manager is better than the new dashboard for monitoring migrations |
| 02:20 | <linbot> | New news from community: Modify the car using the car graphics online! <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/18363> |
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| 03:30 | <chered> | hello |
| 03:31 | <chered> | are standard linodes can be scalable? |
| 03:34 | <dwfreed> | you can create as many Linodes as you like |
| 03:34 | <dwfreed> | resizing between plans requires downtime |
| 03:39 | <chered> | I mean when you want to add resources like ram, cpu or disk space can I do that |
| 03:44 | <Zr40> | yes, you can resize to larger plans |
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| 03:56 | <chered> | thanks |
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| 06:21 | <ssa> | Would it be possible to add a separate network interface device (say eth1) dedicated for private ip? (debian9) |
| 06:22 | <ssa> | The job scheduler I'm using (Hashicorp's Nomad) is only picking up the first available IP in eth0 (for the purpose of assigning advertised ip addresses for nomad managed services) |
| 06:23 | <ssa> | The first one in eth0 being the public IP address, as configured by Linode network-helper. |
| 06:24 | <ssa> | The only configuration that nomad allows for this is a different network device. I could set it to use eth1, if it can be configured. Can it? |
| 06:25 | <ssa> | It has been reported in nomad issue tracker https://github.com/hashicorp/nomad/issues/3675#issuecomment-504123443 but I'd appreciate if there's a workaround in the mean time. |
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| 06:55 | <Basim> | hi |
| 06:58 | <csnxs> | hi |
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| 07:41 | <ssa> | OK. I ended up creating a dummy network interface: |
| 07:41 | <ssa> | ip link add dummy10 type dummy |
| 07:41 | <ssa> | ip addr add 192.168.x.x/17 dev dummy10 |
| 07:41 | <ssa> | And telling nomad to use network_interface = dummy10 |
| 07:42 | <ssa> | And since nomad doesn't use this device info for anything else, it won't break anything. |
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| 08:13 | <ssa> | For anyone interested, I posted my workaround in detail at: https://github.com/hashicorp/nomad/issues/3675#issuecomment-504660287 |
| 08:14 | <ssa> | I cannot imagine any other way of setting up Hashicorp's Nomad Job scheduler on Linode (with jobs binding to their private ips). |
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| 09:18 | <ssa> | How do I determine a NodeBalancer's private IP address? |
| 09:18 | <ssa> | For the purpose of allowing incoming connections in backends' firewall. |
| 09:24 | <ssa> | I was able to determine the ip from incoming denied requests in logs,... but |
| 09:24 | <ssa> | why isn't the NodeBalancer private ip mentioned anywhere? |
| 09:25 | <ssa> | Are we supposed to allow traffic to NB's public ip address? That didn't work for me.. |
| 09:30 | <ssa> | OK. Found this in the reference guide: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/nodebalancer/nodebalancer-reference-guide/#ip-address-range |
| 09:31 | <ssa> | So I assume 192.168.255.0/24 is exclusive to load balancers. |
| 09:34 | <ssa> | Does Linode guarantee that only my NodeBalancers will be able to connect to my backends on the private network (within the same account)? |
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| 09:47 | <ssa> | I was able to configure my NodeBalancer to a random 192.168.x.x:80 as backend. I guess I won't be using NodeBalancer managed HTTPS termination. |
| 10:02 | <linbot> | New news from community: Linode Account Cancellation <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/18364> |
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| 10:34 | <LouWestin> | I haven't messed with Node balancers yet, so I have no idea |
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| 10:50 | <Zr40> | nodebalancers aren't that convenient for my use either. They would need to terminate HTTPS for multiple domains and many of those use letsencrypt |
| 11:45 | <SleePy> | LE supports dns auth. |
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| 12:04 | <Zr40> | I know. |
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| 13:07 | <haideraf> | hello |
| 13:07 | <millisa> | greetings |
| 13:07 | <haideraf> | i have been rob by linode in first registration |
| 13:07 | <millisa> | Robbed by linode? That doesn't sound like them |
| 13:07 | <haideraf> | instead getting 20$ was been charged +5$ |
| 13:08 | <grawity> | Zr40: nodebalancers have a raw TCP mode for that, don't they |
| 13:08 | <haideraf> | i though that referral link give me $ 20 no linode robber charge me $5 |
| 13:09 | <haideraf> | they doesnt even reply to my ticket since 3 day when i created account |
| 13:09 | <grawity> | you're not going to get $20 into your credit card, that's for sure |
| 13:09 | <haideraf> | their terms and services mention before 7 day report refund all scam by linode |
| 13:09 | <haideraf> | i mean i want $20 in linode account |
| 13:09 | <grawity> | I don't remember how Linode verifies the credit card's validity, but a $n reservation is pretty common |
| 13:09 | <haideraf> | but they charge my credit card $5 |
| 13:10 | <haideraf> | i have screenshot saved for that fck payment |
| 13:10 | <millisa> | They usually charge some amount to your credit card to verify it is real... I could swear you got to type in the number. |
| 13:10 | <haideraf> | it was not for verification purpose |
| 13:10 | <millisa> | The amount on your account would be on the account tab. In the new manager, it shows your balance (which sounds like it'd be a positive balance) |
| 13:10 | <haideraf> | it say i buy linode server $5 and deducted from account |
| 13:11 | <millisa> | that's not how linode billing works |
| 13:11 | <Zr40> | when signing up you do need to add an initial deposit, which they do refund within the first 7 days if you're unhappy about the service |
| 13:11 | <khaberz> | What does the current Balance on your account status say? |
| 13:11 | <haideraf> | fck u linode |
| 13:12 | <Zr40> | well... with that attitude |
| 13:12 | <haideraf> | hope i can file dmca and tos reported |
| 13:12 | <millisa> | that's not how either of those work either. |
| 13:12 | <haideraf> | i also gonna make video of scam linode |
| 13:12 | <khaberz> | LOL |
| 13:12 | <Zr40> | such effort. |
| 13:12 | <millisa> | or you could ask for your $5 back... |
| 13:12 | <millisa> | linode's got a 7 day money back guarantee |
| 13:12 | <haideraf> | they not even reply my mail since 3day my account was created 4day ago |
| 13:12 | <khaberz> | What does the current Balance on your account status say? |
| 13:13 | <haideraf> | i mean i put 3 ticket non yet replied |
| 13:13 | <haideraf> | linode total scam |
| 13:13 | <ssa> | Is there a publicly accessible chat log for this channel? |
| 13:13 | <khaberz> | Did you call them scammers and robbers in your tickets? |
| 13:13 | <haideraf> | i put good ticket with no bad word |
| 13:13 | <khaberz> | haideraf: What does the current Balance on your account status say? |
| 13:14 | <ssa> | I wonder if I missed any stress relievers to my NodeBalancers anxiety. |
| 13:14 | <haideraf> | it say i have 0 |
| 13:14 | <haideraf> | let me recheck |
| 13:14 | <haideraf> | even ihave balance or not why i got -5$ from my account? |
| 13:14 | <khaberz> | Where did you get the referral link from? |
| 13:14 | <ssa> | (grawity, Zr40: ^) |
| 13:15 | <khaberz> | Because they may check your Credit card firsr. |
| 13:15 | <haideraf> | wait i type referral link where i got |
| 13:15 | <haideraf> | https://linode.com/coreyschafer |
| 13:16 | <haideraf> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa_kQheCnds |
| 13:16 | <haideraf> | here i got referral |
| 13:16 | <haideraf> | all i see scammed by linode |
| 13:17 | <haideraf> | 2019-06-18 18:01:26 Payment #8860559 $5.00 |
| 13:17 | <millisa> | that's 4 days ago... |
| 13:17 | <haideraf> | 4day ago i register first time on linode |
| 13:18 | <Zr40> | $5 is the minimum you need to deposit when signing up. It gets added to your account. |
| 13:18 | <haideraf> | i though to learn nginx and apache2 |
| 13:18 | <haideraf> | oh that mean 5$ added to account? |
| 13:18 | <ssa> | credit balance probably |
| 13:18 | <millisa> | Yes. |
| 13:19 | <haideraf> | oh my bad |
| 13:19 | <haideraf> | i didnt notice that was going on |
| 13:19 | <millisa> | If you goto the Account tab, Billing Info, you'll see your current balance (which should be that $5 and the credit if you really did use that link) and it'll show the uninvoiced balance fro the month so far. |
| 13:19 | <ssa> | haideraf: it only gets better :) |
| 13:19 | <haideraf> | yah i see 25$ |
| 13:19 | <haideraf> | Billing Information Uninvoiced Balance: $0.17 Current Balance: $25.00 (credit) Credit Card: xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-3255 Expiration Date: 06/2023 |
| 13:20 | <millisa> | They will bill the uninvoiced balance against your current balance on the first of the month. if you owe more than that, they then roll that to the credit card. |
| 13:20 | <haideraf> | but i have 1 more question |
| 13:20 | <khaberz> | haideraf: All good then. But always call people names first, just to be safe. |
| 13:20 | <millisa> | So you've had 17 cents of service that will eventually get billed against the $25 |
| 13:20 | <haideraf> | i buyed server and deleted it in1 day why i not got back 5$ |
| 13:20 | <haideraf> | i mean if i again recreate any linux server and deleted it again do i get$5? |
| 13:20 | <millisa> | That server is the $0.17 uninvoiced balance. |
| 13:21 | <khaberz> | Because you still have your account and the credit remaind on it, i.e. $5-$0,17 |
| 13:21 | <haideraf> | since it say 0..0075$/hr charge or it directly take 5$ ? |
| 13:21 | <ssa> | You can ask for a refund if you want your remaining $ back (minus the free credit your received). |
| 13:21 | <millisa> | It's not charging you $5 each time you spinup the server. Linodes are billed hourly and invoiced once |
| 13:21 | <Zr40> | if you cancel and request a refund within 7 days, you'll get all of it back. If it's after 7 days, you'll get whatever you didn't spend back |
| 13:21 | <millisa> | You should read this: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-support/billing-and-payments/#how-hourly-billing-works it explains how the billing works |
| 13:21 | <haideraf> | wait i cancel my last linode server i have no server left now |
| 13:22 | <ssa> | The money is not in your server |
| 13:22 | <haideraf> | do i get back that server ? |
| 13:22 | <ssa> | It's in your account |
| 13:22 | <Zr40> | you need to cancel your account, not just the server |
| 13:22 | <ssa> | Which you hanse't cancelled |
| 13:22 | <ssa> | s/hanse't/haven't/ |
| 13:22 | <haideraf> | i think it best to cancel and re-register? |
| 13:22 | <ssa> | Why would you do that? |
| 13:22 | <haideraf> | i deleted last linode server |
| 13:22 | <khaberz> | Think less, read more. |
| 13:23 | <ssa> | ^ |
| 13:23 | <haideraf> | wait i type in this way a sec |
| 13:23 | <ssa> | ANYWAY |
| 13:23 | <ssa> | Is there a publicly readable chat log for this irc channel? |
| 13:24 | <ssa> | I probably missed discussion post my node balancers query. |
| 13:24 | <haideraf> | i deleted this DragonarcAF server |
| 13:24 | <rnowak> | ssa: https://irclogs.thegrebs.com/linode/2019/06/22 |
| 13:24 | <haideraf> | still got charged 5$ not yet got back any credit |
| 13:24 | <millisa> | the two aren't related to each other. |
| 13:24 | <ssa> | !poke rnowak |
| 13:24 | <linbot> | ssa: Point given to rnowak. (1) |
| 13:24 | <khaberz> | haideraf: YOU HAVE THE EFFING CREDIT. |
| 13:24 | <khaberz> | Jeez. |
| 13:24 | <Zr40> | https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-support/billing-and-payments/#canceling-your-account |
| 13:24 | <Zr40> | read that |
| 13:24 | <haideraf> | my question if i create new server and deleted it ? what happen |
| 13:25 | <haideraf> | does it charge $5 or hourly rate? |
| 13:25 | <rnowak> | imagine getting support tickets like this all day |
| 13:25 | <khaberz> | haideraf: You will be charged - off your credit - the usege time. |
| 13:25 | <millisa> | You said your current balance shows $25. That's the $20 credit plus the $5 you loaded onto the account. The uninvoice balance of $0.17 is for the time you had that server running. One will bill against the other at the end of the month |
| 13:25 | <ssa> | I have a suggestion |
| 13:25 | <haideraf> | oh |
| 13:25 | <millisa> | haideraf: You need to read https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-support/billing-and-payments/#how-hourly-billing-works |
| 13:25 | <ssa> | If we all stop responding for a few minutes, he might begin to get it |
| 13:26 | <haideraf> | 1 last question |
| 13:26 | <haideraf> | is 5$ + hourly rate= total or 5$ / hourly rate=total? |
| 13:26 | <rnowak> | do you understand the concept of credit? |
| 13:27 | <millisa> | haideraf: neither. Read the link. |
| 13:27 | <haideraf> | lol |
| 13:27 | <haideraf> | wait i read =-= |
| 13:28 | <ssa> | this man is in shock, take him to the infirmary |
| 13:28 | <haideraf> | lol |
| 13:28 | <haideraf> | this is first time on server |
| 13:29 | <khaberz> | Long enough to call Linode robbers and scammers apparently. |
| 13:30 | <haideraf> | i never saw site like linode |
| 13:30 | <haideraf> | their bliing complex then other site |
| 13:30 | <haideraf> | between relax i think matter now solved =-= |
| 13:30 | <ssa> | There's a learning curve, you might say. |
| 13:31 | <haideraf> | i mean linode should provide credit amount on first page show |
| 13:31 | <haideraf> | like we should go account their billing info weird |
| 13:32 | <haideraf> | nvm |
| 13:32 | <millisa> | They take suggestions/feedback (and even listen!). Feel free to submit some - there's a link down at the bottom of the management page. |
| 13:32 | <LouWestin> | haideraf: $5 is monthly rate if your have a server setup 24/7 |
| 13:32 | <haideraf> | is it work like this way? |
| 13:32 | <LouWestin> | That’s the lowest cost plan |
| 13:32 | <haideraf> | 0.0075x24x30=5.4$ |
| 13:33 | <haideraf> | or 5.4$ + 5$=10.4$? |
| 13:33 | <millisa> | one is the hourly rate, one is the monthly cap. you hit the cap about 26-27 days into the cycle if it's 24x7 |
| 13:33 | <haideraf> | oh got it |
| 13:33 | <ssa> | Your $25 will last you at least 5 months of continuous Nanode server usage |
| 13:34 | <ssa> | Looks like the spread of misinformemetion has been contained. |
| 13:34 | <haideraf> | hope they give 2ram on 7-8$ ;/ |
| 13:35 | <haideraf> | 1gram is so slow like my own ubuntu freeze with rynze 1300x 8gb ram while running cmd on linode |
| 13:35 | <ssa> | 1gram is enough to kill the whole continent |
| 13:35 | <haideraf> | haha |
| 13:36 | <ssa> | Care to change the topic, anyone? |
| 13:36 | <haideraf> | reactjs and django python app use lot of ram |
| 13:37 | <ssa> | GPU nodes are out, as is increased disk space in dedicated plans. |
| 13:37 | <haideraf> | still dedicated expensive |
| 13:37 | <ssa> | I meant the channel's topic message. |
| 13:38 | <haideraf> | oh |
| 13:38 | <haideraf> | i think i better delete ticket now matter is solved |
| 13:39 | <haideraf> | between nowaday linode so popular then ocean and aws what the main reason? |
| 13:39 | <millisa> | price & performance. (digital ocean bills nearly the same way as linode) |
| 13:40 | <haideraf> | still i saw mostly python user mostly go on linode |
| 13:46 | <haideraf> | thnx for help to clearify my missunderstanding gtg glhf |
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| 14:54 | <Peng> | points for, un, everyone |
| 15:05 | <LouWestin> | !point Peng |
| 15:05 | <linbot> | LouWestin: Point given to peng. (37) (Biggest fan: mcintosh, total: 9) |
| 15:18 | <ssa> | Peng++ |
| 15:18 | <ssa> | Peng++17 |
| 16:03 | <linbot> | New news from community: Use Docker Compose to setup Ghost CMS <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/18365> |
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| 17:40 | <Peng> | Is Linode planning to upgrade the kernel to 5.1.14? https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v5.x/ChangeLog-5.1.14 is kinda interesting. |
| 17:41 | <Peng> | Supposedly the bug was an issue for Steam. Which is probably not a problem for many Linode customers. |
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| 18:48 | <chesty> | for linode customer's being affected, wouldn't it be the kernel the customer is running that has or fixes the issue? |
| 19:09 | <dwfreed> | chesty: Peng is referring to the Linode kernels used by customers |
| 19:13 | <chesty> | ah, I never use them. they always cause issues with header or modules or something that I couldn't be bothered learning how to deal with cause I already know using the distro kernel will fix it |
| 19:15 | <Peng> | I don't do header or module stuff, so it's fine. |
| 19:16 | <Peng> | There was a time when the Linode kernels added support for IPv6 conntrack and turned it on by default but Ubuntu 8.04's ip6tables was too old to turn it *off* though. |
| 19:35 | <trippeh> | very recent kernels skip conntrack even if it is loaded, if no conntrack rules are active, fwiw |
| 19:35 | <trippeh> | (fiiinally) |
| 19:45 | <Peng> | :O |
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| 20:11 | <trippeh> | Peng: since 4.14 it turns out (I had to check) |
| 20:12 | <trippeh> | so not even recent |
| 20:13 | <trippeh> | (yes, I just spent 30 minutes digging in git) |
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| 20:14 | <dwfreed> | yep, /proc/net/nf_conntrack is empty here |
| 20:35 | <Peng> | Huh. |
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| 22:50 | <Nick11> | Hello |
| 22:50 | <Nick11> | any linode manager here? |
| 22:51 | <linbot> | Nick11: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/ |
| 22:53 | <Nick11> | I have a question ,If my website rent in tokyo ,what happen when tokyo server disconnect? |
| 22:56 | <Peng> | What do you mean? |
| 23:19 | <Nick11> | sorry |
| 23:19 | <Nick11> | I mean I wanna backup my website to second server |
| 23:20 | <Nick11> | If my website broken ,second server will take up first server |
| 23:22 | <@mtjones> | Nick11: It sounds like you're interested in a high availability setup. We have an introductory guide on high availability here: https://linode.com/docs/websites/introduction-to-high-availability/ |
| 23:23 | <Nick11> | @mtjones do you mean servies Nodebalancer |
| 23:24 | <@mtjones> | A NodeBalancer can be part of a high availbility setup, but there's a lot more to to it such as ip failover and replication as well. |
| 23:26 | <Nick11> | another question, If I have Nodebalancer service ,tokeyo hosting disconnect , does my website survive? |
| 23:27 | <@mtjones> | It depends on how the NodeBalancer and your Linodes are set up. As long as everything's set up correctly a NodeBalancer will help by directing traffic only to the Linode that's still up. |
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| 23:40 | <Peng> | I hope Mumbai leads to more NTP Pool servers in India |
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| 23:56 | <dwfreed> | Peng: tired of getting all the indian queries? |
| 23:57 | <Peng> | Heh. No, it's just underserved. |
| 23:57 | <Peng> | https://www.ntppool.org/zone/in |
| 23:58 | <Peng> | One benefit of time.cloudflare.com |
| --- | Log | closed Sun Jun 23 00:00:36 2019 |