--- | Log | opened Mon Jul 08 00:00:47 2019 |
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00:25 | <dwfreed> | the Linode rules are not particularly optimal in recent kernels, as they result in connection tracking happening that doesn't otherwise happen (recent kernels default to not doing connection tracking unless there are netfilter rules that need connection tracking state) |
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00:48 | <LouWestin> | dwfreed ok maybe I need to look at my rules again. I eneded up leaving them at where they are using iptables |
00:49 | <dwfreed> | I mean, the performance difference is pretty minimal |
00:49 | <dwfreed> | unless you run a pool NTP server |
00:49 | <dwfreed> | like Peng |
00:51 | <LouWestin> | I'm also using the distro kernel instead of the latest one from Linode? |
00:52 | <dwfreed> | buster? is new enough to have this |
00:53 | <LouWestin> | Buster yeah |
00:53 | <dwfreed> | it made it into 4.14 |
00:53 | <dwfreed> | so they've been not optimal for a while |
00:54 | <LouWestin> | probably |
00:55 | <LouWestin> | I'm not even sure what source to look at for a better configuration |
00:57 | <dwfreed> | honestly just get rid of pretty much all of it |
00:58 | <dwfreed> | s/pretty much// |
00:58 | <LouWestin> | Ok let me pull it up really quick |
00:59 | <dwfreed> | The Linode rules do have the benefit of preventing access to services that shouldn't be running, but eh |
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01:01 | <LouWestin> | Here's what I got https://pastebin.com/X7f6y5t8 |
01:02 | <LouWestin> | that's for the ZNC server, but it's basically identical |
01:02 | <dwfreed> | iptables -L output is useless without -v |
01:02 | <dwfreed> | because it does not include interface information |
01:02 | <LouWestin> | oops hang on |
01:04 | <LouWestin> | ok https://pastebin.com/JMJUWRKj |
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02:54 | <chesty> | just a note in general for tools that print out network information, and nothing to do with the problem you're having. If the tool has an option for displaying ip addresses rather than domain names it's generally a good idea to use it, ie iptables -nvL. because say you had an ip address 192.168.4.4 and it resolved to blah.home and the tool displaye |
02:54 | <chesty> | d blah.home. there could be 10 other ip addresses that resolve to blah.home, ie 192.168.5.5 could also resolve to blah.home. you don't know which ip address it's talking about when you see blah.home in the output |
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07:53 | <zbedda61> | helllo i need support |
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08:00 | <JamesTK> | ...and they're gone |
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08:53 | <dzho> | 7 minutes, they actually might have had a chance were it not a weekend, and a quasi-holiday one at that, in the US |
08:53 | <dzho> | well, morning after I guess |
08:54 | <JamesTK> | mmm |
08:54 | <JamesTK> | Well, morning after is everything |
08:54 | <JamesTK> | I was just going to tell them to email or open a ticket anyway |
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09:17 | <dzho> | yeah, it's almost like we could have a list of pre-programmed responses we could use quickly and easily respond to things |
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09:50 | <LouWestin> | Maybe someone can get linbot to handle those tasks |
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10:06 | <LouWestin> | And dwfreed for iptables I dropped the loop back, log, and forwarding rules. Based on linode’s iptables guide. I kept the ping and port rules though |
10:07 | <LouWestin> | I know you mentioned they’re probably not needed, but I erred on the side of caution for right now. |
10:08 | <LouWestin> | Made those changes on ip6 too |
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13:15 | <jones> | When restoring from a backup what does the overwrite linode checkbox mean? |
13:18 | <millisa> | Restore would use unallocated space if there's enough of it. Checking the box lets it clear existing disks |
13:18 | <millisa> | It's talked about in steps 3/4 in this section: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/disk-images/linode-backup-service/#restore-to-an-existing-linode |
13:21 | <jones> | Thank does overwriting the linode undo certain apache/nginx settings or is everything preserved? |
13:21 | <millisa> | overwriting the linode would wipe out everything |
13:22 | <jones> | Right but i'm attempting to restore from a backup |
13:22 | <jones> | I ran an update statement without a where clause and nuked my entire database :/ |
13:23 | <millisa> | if you didn't want to lose files and such, you could restore to a new temporary linode, dump the database, transfer the dump over to the first box, and restore that |
13:23 | <millisa> | you'd pay for the hours the other linode is up |
13:23 | <millisa> | er, for when the other linode is provisioned (whether it's up or not) |
13:24 | <jones> | My backup was done 2 hours ago so im ok with the temporary data loss on the overwrite |
13:24 | <millisa> | well, then go for it. you'll be looking at everything as it was 2 hours ago |
13:24 | <jones> | Ok thanks |
13:26 | <jones> | Thank god I had backups enabled, that would of been a disaster. |
13:27 | <millisa> | you may still have cleanup to do on the dbs after restore. it'll be like a db that's been on a system that's shutdown unexpectedly. |
13:28 | <millisa> | you'll want to look at something that regularly dumps your dbs in the future so that those static files are what you depend on |
13:28 | <jones> | Any suggestions ? |
13:28 | <millisa> | i like the holland mysql and pgsql dump setup. |
13:29 | <millisa> | you could just as easily roll your own with some scripts and mysqldump/pgdump |
13:29 | <jones> | it just stores the backup on the drive? |
13:29 | <millisa> | yeah, it stores backups on the drive (holland lets you do things like specify how many backups to retain) |
13:30 | <jones> | Nice that's helpful my DB has gotten so big that it's a pain to manage |
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13:32 | <jones> | when it's dumping does it lock up the tables? |
13:32 | <millisa> | by default it does. |
13:32 | <millisa> | you can do a non-locking backup (and you get all the possible transaction issues that could go with that) |
13:33 | <jones> | Ill have to figure out a way to do a backup and not slow down the site |
13:34 | <millisa> | a more expensive option is to do a master/slave pair and do the backups on the slave |
13:36 | <jones> | I like that plan |
13:38 | <jones> | I have a lot of cron jobs that run and I wanted to offload them to the slave server then replicate slave up to master |
13:52 | <LouWestin> | That Holland option might be nice if I’m ever managing something Wordpress |
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14:39 | <LouWestin> | What’s the recommendation for getting Nginx? Deb repo or straight from Nginx? |
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14:44 | <jones> | I just do : sudo apt install nginx |
14:48 | <dwfreed> | where, not how |
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14:50 | <dwfreed> | LouWestin: I use the nginx.org repo, in part because there are some new things that are nice to have, and in part because newer versions of nginx often have improved performance |
14:50 | <dwfreed> | you're not stuck with the version debian ships, which will likely only ever see security updates for the life of that release |
14:51 | <LouWestin> | jones an dwfreed ok |
14:52 | <LouWestin> | I might switch to it from Apache. Although traffic is so low it probably wouldn’t make a difference |
14:54 | <dwfreed> | if you run php, nginx + php-fpm is probably less memory usage than apache + mod_php |
14:54 | <jones> | in my benchmarks nginx-php is faster than apache-php |
14:55 | <aprup> | Guys do you have any idea if Linode is planing to launch Managed Database service? |
14:56 | <LouWestin> | Jones are running anything like Wordpress? |
14:56 | <dwfreed> | aprup: if we knew, we'd have an announcement to point to |
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14:57 | <jones> | No, im using a php framework but not Wordpress :) |
14:58 | <jones> | the biggest difference I noticed was when i went from php 5.5 to 7.3 |
14:58 | <LouWestin> | Ok just asking since I know they’ve said that Apache works faster for dynamic content...but that’s what’s I’ve heard |
14:58 | <gparent> | I think nginx + php is harder to mess up |
14:59 | <LouWestin> | Ok |
14:59 | <LouWestin> | I’m running a few static sites |
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15:01 | <aprup> | i think that i missed the response of my question due the connection problem :( |
15:01 | <LouWestin> | Hey dwfreed you mentioned yesterday that blocking ports on iptables isn’t really important correct? |
15:02 | <LouWestin> | Aprup: no news yet |
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17:39 | <print> | hello |
17:39 | <rsdehart> | hi |
17:39 | <rsdehart> | print: welcome to community chat |
17:39 | <print> | thank you for the welcome |
17:40 | <rsdehart> | I like to greet people that way because of the number who come in thinking this is official support :) |
17:40 | <print> | I have a question, i was wondering if i rebuild my linode will it keep the ip address or be assigned a new one? |
17:40 | <print> | haha well looks like i may be one of them hha |
17:40 | <rsdehart> | well, no. This isn't a question that requires access to your account or anything |
17:41 | <rsdehart> | so while there are in fact staff members in here, they're not always guaranteed to be active |
17:41 | <print> | of okay cool yea, no sensitive info i suppose |
17:41 | <rsdehart> | this is the kind of question a mere mortal can answer :D |
17:41 | <rsdehart> | and I *think* it keeps the same ip |
17:41 | <print> | haha good good |
17:41 | <print> | haha that was my hunch also |
17:41 | <print> | just wanted to double check |
17:42 | <rsdehart> | fyi if you do have a real support question, do a ticket first and then you can drop the ticket number in here for staff to hopefully expedite if necessary |
17:42 | <rsdehart> | sort of a best of both worlds approach |
17:43 | <print> | yea that does sound slick |
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18:21 | <LouWestin> | Same IP address if you rebuild it |
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21:00 | <LouWestin> | Linode's Debian 10 iso has a little issue updating. https://pastebin.com/4iYLzHJJ |
21:03 | <LouWestin> | Looks like something with Linode's mirrors |
21:05 | <Peng> | Maybe the local metadata? |
21:05 | <Peng> | Like if, when building the image, apt update was last run before the release. |
21:07 | <LouWestin> | I changed the source's to Debian's and everything went through fine. |
21:07 | <LouWestin> | I'm going to send a ticket out just so they know |
21:07 | <Toba> | good tip |
21:07 | <Toba> | sending a ticket.. |
21:07 | <Toba> | I don't think IRC is gonna solve this one |
21:07 | <Peng> | What happens if you change it back and run apt update again? |
21:08 | <LouWestin> | Oh, let me try that! |
21:09 | <LouWestin> | Toba yeah, I figured in the small chance one of the OP's sees this then I can cancel the ticket |
21:11 | <LouWestin> | Peng changing the mirror back to Linode's fixes the issue |
21:12 | <LouWestin> | alright one more test |
21:15 | <LouWestin> | No fresh instance creates the same error |
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21:21 | <dwfreed> | it's a local metadata issue (somebody forgot to delete the local lists when making the image) |
21:22 | <dwfreed> | if you run 'apt update' instead of 'apt-get update' it will ask you to confirm the changes |
21:22 | <dwfreed> | instead of doing nothing and pointing you to a useless manpage |
21:23 | <LouWestin> | should I still send them a ticket just letting them know? |
21:24 | <dwfreed> | you could |
21:24 | <dwfreed> | then the person who makes the images can just go into it and delete the local package lists, or update them, and then remake the image |
21:25 | <LouWestin> | I will since they'll get a million tickets, forum posts, etc about it |
21:31 | <LouWestin> | Ok, sent. I attached a text file with the error message |
21:36 | <LouWestin> | on a side note, wife says meat for the spagetti smells funny and wants me to taste it... Um no |
21:37 | <LouWestin> | I told her let's just order pizza |
21:39 | <LouWestin> | it's half price today anyway *rolls eyes* |
21:46 | <LouWestin> | I'm drawing a blank... what's the package to keep the time updated? |
21:47 | <Peng> | One of them is probably installed. |
21:48 | <Peng> | chrony or ntp. |
21:48 | <Peng> | I don't know what the package for systemd-timesyncd is. |
21:48 | <LouWestin> | ntp! |
21:48 | <Peng> | or openntpd |
21:48 | <LouWestin> | I knew it was something with three letters. Thanks! |
21:49 | <LouWestin> | That means I need to take a break and get dinner |
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23:06 | <dwfreed> | $ dpkg -S /lib/systemd/systemd-timesyncd |
23:06 | <dwfreed> | systemd: /lib/systemd/systemd-timesyncd |
23:06 | <dwfreed> | Peng: ^ |
23:07 | <Peng> | :< |
23:07 | <Toba> | ntp aw u know me |
23:07 | <rsdehart> | wut |
23:08 | <Toba> | to the tune of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUGisre9xNU |
23:08 | <rsdehart> | ohh |
23:08 | <Toba> | when running some erlang programs |
23:08 | <Toba> | one time I was fighting rabbitmq and what did I run up on but epmd |
23:08 | <Toba> | epmd wouldn't start the daemon adn wouldn't have any of that shit either |
23:08 | <Toba> | and I found this sick beat to debug my rabbitmq to |
23:08 | <Toba> | http://erlang.org/doc/man/epmd.html |
23:09 | <Toba> | in beginning, I like to run my erl(1), yo. |
23:10 | <Toba> | all I wanted was stack overflow but I got this sick beat yo |
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23:15 | <alan> | my app is receiving a 400 error when I try to access the login and signup pages |
23:15 | <alan> | I'm unsure why? |
23:15 | <alan> | it's an mvc application |
23:15 | <dwfreed> | 400 is bad request |
23:15 | <Toba> | did you look in the logs, alan? |
23:16 | <alan> | yes, I have. |
23:16 | <alan> | All it shows is the 400 error |
23:16 | <alan> | but the folder structure is fine, /inc/themes/default/views/login.php |
23:17 | <alan> | https://sandbox.primitiv.media/inc/themes/default/views/login.php |
23:17 | <alan> | this works |
23:17 | <alan> | but if you go the the main page, and try to login or signup it won't work |
23:17 | <alan> | this gives the die error yo whats up because I'm not logged in |
23:18 | <Toba> | your server just said "yo whats up" to you? |
23:19 | <alan> | https://bpaste.net/show/bwDX |
23:19 | <Toba> | LOL |
23:21 | <alan> | so what can I do to debug? |
23:42 | <Toba> | you should start reading the apache configs and the php files and figure out your code base |
23:42 | <Toba> | this is not a generic issue |
23:42 | <Toba> | the error message has a certain joie de vivre |
23:43 | <Toba> | which I appreciate, but which also portends a codebase which might be a little bit opaque |
23:43 | <Toba> | disable access.. but what about it is direct? and why? all good questions.. |
23:43 | <Toba> | probably, someone has disabled this ui for some reason or other |
23:44 | <Toba> | maybe it's because the passwords for the user(s) that could login are not that secure, or some other good reason |
23:44 | <Toba> | or maybe someone just shut it off because they didn't intend to use it and it presented attack surface |
23:45 | <Toba> | good luck figuring out which it is |
23:45 | <Toba> | or, you could just rip the band aid off and delete that code, and pay whatever the price was that someone was trying to avoid |
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23:51 | <alan> | I'm running nginx I don't think it's configure for mvc routes? |
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23:56 | <Toba> | no the nginx configuration is not the issue your php code literally is raising that error, right |
23:58 | <@blaboon> | LouWestin: hey, just saw what you wrote earlier about the deb10 image |
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