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---Logopened Sun Aug 11 00:00:48 2019
00:06<gparent>sure did, no more connection spam
00:16<chesty>Fair enough, it probably did work, then. However, whenever I'm having problems finding a parking space I send a message to the parking fairies, without fail I find a space. Sometimes they're busy and it takes a while to process my request, but they always come through in the end.
00:32<millisa>any of you other poor saps stuck with managing a wordpress install - there's an exploit for the plugin simple-301-redirects-addon-bulk-uploader that appears to be out in the wild actively touching stuff
00:32<millisa>there was an update to the plugin a few days ago that apparently addresses it (though they did a terrible job of pointing it out)
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02:01<gparent>chesty: that comparison doesn't make much sense, because I'm not making up the fact that the autokill is preventing the spam, it literally is.
02:02<gparent>so unless you're implying that it's likely that most autokills happen exactly at the point where someone has restored their connection to full health for good..
02:04<chesty>autokill? I didn't see any autokill so my question wasn't about it. I just saw someone asking someone else to fix their connection. I didn't know whether asking someone to fix their connection worked or not.
02:04<gparent>oh
02:04<gparent>so following the question there was an autokill set on them
02:04<gparent>that's what stopped the spam
02:04<gparent>that explains the confusion we had there.
02:04<chesty>ahhh. ok, cheers.
02:05<gparent>they give a support email in the reason
02:05<gparent>I'd be curious their ratio of kills to email, though.
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10:08<FluffyFoxeh>dwfreed: If you're in charge of the kills ^
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10:30<chesty>the name tony monroe popped up in my news feed today, I'd never heard of him before but we've all used his most famous work, which is 20 years old.
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12:44<dwfreed>gparent: kills are used very rarely, so I don't really have any stats
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13:03<bobsaccamano>Hi I just set up a new Linode instance but unable to login via Weblish (login incorrect). How can I find out my login details from the web cosnole?
13:03<bobsaccamano>*console
13:06<millisa>you'd have set the root password during the setup
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14:04<Javdave>Hi all
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14:51<Peng>so, who's planning to buy a pair of $7000, 225 W, 64-core, EPYC 7742 CPUs
14:51<chonk>i am excited for the threadripper trickledown
14:55<Peng>Wait, those EPYC 7601s Linode has been using are actually the top of the product line? Ouch
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16:37<chesty>I think google has planted a spy inside linode, because google are now rolling out EPYC 7742 to google cloud
16:38<Peng>:O
16:39<chesty>actually, I don't know what model EPYC google are going to use, one or more of the latest generation models.
16:40<chesty>if you work for linode and you aren't a google spy, look to your left, they're probably the spy.
16:41<dwfreed>Yeah, AMD stock jumped 16% when Google and Twitter announced they were going to be using the new EPYCs
16:44<Peng>chesty: It might actually be 7742? Google's blog post says "2.25 Ghz base frequency, 2.7Ghz all-core-turbo frequency, and 3.3Ghz single-core turbo frequency". That doesn't match anything on the product graph I saw, but it's close to the 7742. (The 7742's maximum frequency is 3.4 GHz.)
16:50<chesty>Google have been evaluating them and dog feeding on them, they might have found a different clock gives them better performance to power ratio
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18:26<dubidubno>Is it possible to see when a Linode was provisioned?
18:28<Peng>If it's from the last few years (and you haven;t turned them off?) you'll have a Linode Events email about it.
18:29<Peng>It will also be in your invoices.
18:29<Peng>You can also go back in the graphs tab of the [old] manager
18:37<dubidubno>Why not list it on the Linode page somewhere? Just a suggestion.
18:44<millisa>in the old manager, on the linodes page. 'download csv'
18:44<millisa>it has it
18:46<Peng>:O
18:46<@TaraNT>dubidubno you can see your creation in the Activity tab of your Linode dashboard in Cloud Manager
18:46<Peng>I've never clicked that!
18:46<millisa>click it click it . it has your id and a few other tidbits too
18:48<Peng>Nice!
18:49<dubidubno>No, I can't.
18:49<chesty>is the activity tab the bell icon?
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18:49<dubidubno>Do you mean https://cloud.linode.com/linodes/527603/activity ?
18:53<chesty>ah, that looks like it dubidubno. I thought the Linode dashboard referred to above was the sidebar "Dashboard", but the activity tab is in the sidebar "Linodes"
18:54<dubidubno>Oldest activity is from 2019-07-02 01:22:55. "No more events to show"
18:55<chesty>you didn't move/resize/destroy+create/whatever on the 2nd of july?
18:56<dubidubno>No. Notice my Linode's low number.
18:57<dubidubno>My latest instance is numbered 14,857,348
18:58<chesty>don't know. mine goes back to march when I created it. was july the mass linode host reboot day?
18:59<dubidubno>TaraNT: No, I can't.
19:02<@mcintosh>the legacy manager has limited event support at the moment, so actions done outside of cloud.linode.com/v4 of the API will not always result in events being shown in the activity panel
19:08<chesty>This is interesting https://blog.linode.com/2019/08/08/update-on-2015-security-incident/ "Linode will never ask customers to submit any personal information over unsecured channels, such as online messengers..." I would call email an unsecured channel, and many online messengers a secured channel (depending on technology as well as who owns it,
19:08<chesty>trust no one). 99% of emails are stored in clear text, usually on someone else's computer
19:12<chesty>I think it's fine to say we will only ask for for personal information via phone or email, but I don't like the inference that email is secure.
19:13<Peng>If people stopped pretending email was secure, society would collapse
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19:15<dwfreed>Linode uses G Suite for mail, and all large email providers will do opportunistic TLS in the SMTP exchange
19:16<Peng>!dns6 linode.com mx
19:16<Peng>oh
19:16<Peng>2 mail1.linode.com., 2 mail3.linode.com. [AD=0]
19:16<@mcintosh>rip linbot
19:17<Peng>fortunately it died after the "2019 Fall Events" blog post was relayed
19:17<dwfreed>Peng: $10 says those forward to G Suite :)
19:17<dwfreed>and also support opportunistic TLS
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19:18<@mcintosh>yay
19:18<Peng>!dns6 linode.com mx
19:18<linbot>Peng: 2 mail1.linode.com., 2 mail3.linode.com. [AD=0]
19:18<linbot>yay
19:19<chesty>so if g suite is secure and the customer is on g suite, all good right? but if the customer is somewhere else...
19:20<@mcintosh>they can use GPG?
19:20<@mcintosh>if they're not familiar with GPG, chances are they're using one of the large email providers dwfreed referred to
19:20<dwfreed>if the customer is somewhere else, their email provider could most likely steal their money directly, rather than try to get an image of their card that they sent to Linode
19:20<@mcintosh>no option is perfect, factoring in usability requirements
19:21<@mcintosh>also, that
19:21<dwfreed>something something threat model something something
19:21<chesty>email is fine to use, implying it's a secure channel though...
19:21<millisa>fax: 1 email: 0
19:21<dwfreed>It's secure enough for the appropriat threat model
19:22<dwfreed>s/at /ate /
19:22<chesty>"email is fine to use"
19:22<chesty>"email is secure enough" but "implying it's a secure channel"
19:22<dwfreed>it is secure for the vast majority of people
19:24<chesty>I believe nothing stored in plain text is secure
19:25<dwfreed>that's your threat model
19:25<dwfreed>the vast majority of people have a different threat model than that
19:26<dwfreed>millisa: fax can be more interceptible than email
19:27<millisa>lies! fax is the supreme in security. so says healthcare.
19:27<dwfreed>rofl
19:27<chesty>the vast majority of people are at risk of getting their identity stolen, though, because they have been told and they believe email is a secure channel. but anyway, we've gone full circle a few times already
19:40<dwfreed>except the part where the big 3 email providers (GMail, Microsoft, and Yahoo) are locked up tighter than Fort Knox, which is why attackers go after banks instead
19:43<kharlan>I wonder if efax to efax is secure?
19:43<kharlan>*ponders how ring central's backend is written*
19:43<dwfreed>that is less likely to be secure, because VoIP often doesn't use encryption
19:47<chesty>assuming they have a unique and strong password with 2 factor, as long as they don't access their emails with any sort of software they are probably safe.
19:49<dwfreed>again, threat model
19:49<chesty>again, "implying email is a secure channel"
19:49<dwfreed>quit being pedantic
19:49<dwfreed>or we're just going to be going in circles all day
19:50<LouWestin>I’m now going to send faxes in a coded language
19:54<LouWestin>The decoder ring will have to be mailed separately
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20:04<chesty>I'll stop being pedantic, will you accept a wikipedia article on the definition of what a "secure channel" means?
20:04<chesty>it's wikipedia, so you don't have to trust it. it also has very few citations
20:09<chesty>actually, I don't think I am being pedantic, you're arguing against a point I'm not making
20:15<dwfreed>this whole discussion is completely pointless
20:15<dwfreed>cool, email isn't 1000% secure, most people don't care
20:16<dwfreed>and the people that do understand what GPG is and how to use it
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22:19<linbot>New news from community: Can not get CSGO server to Start <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/18593>
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23:30<linbot>New news from community: What should my /etc/hosts look like? <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/18594>
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