--- | Log | opened Sun Aug 11 00:00:48 2019 |
00:06 | <gparent> | sure did, no more connection spam |
00:16 | <chesty> | Fair enough, it probably did work, then. However, whenever I'm having problems finding a parking space I send a message to the parking fairies, without fail I find a space. Sometimes they're busy and it takes a while to process my request, but they always come through in the end. |
00:32 | <millisa> | any of you other poor saps stuck with managing a wordpress install - there's an exploit for the plugin simple-301-redirects-addon-bulk-uploader that appears to be out in the wild actively touching stuff |
00:32 | <millisa> | there was an update to the plugin a few days ago that apparently addresses it (though they did a terrible job of pointing it out) |
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02:01 | <gparent> | chesty: that comparison doesn't make much sense, because I'm not making up the fact that the autokill is preventing the spam, it literally is. |
02:02 | <gparent> | so unless you're implying that it's likely that most autokills happen exactly at the point where someone has restored their connection to full health for good.. |
02:04 | <chesty> | autokill? I didn't see any autokill so my question wasn't about it. I just saw someone asking someone else to fix their connection. I didn't know whether asking someone to fix their connection worked or not. |
02:04 | <gparent> | oh |
02:04 | <gparent> | so following the question there was an autokill set on them |
02:04 | <gparent> | that's what stopped the spam |
02:04 | <gparent> | that explains the confusion we had there. |
02:04 | <chesty> | ahhh. ok, cheers. |
02:05 | <gparent> | they give a support email in the reason |
02:05 | <gparent> | I'd be curious their ratio of kills to email, though. |
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10:08 | <FluffyFoxeh> | dwfreed: If you're in charge of the kills ^ |
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10:30 | <chesty> | the name tony monroe popped up in my news feed today, I'd never heard of him before but we've all used his most famous work, which is 20 years old. |
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12:44 | <dwfreed> | gparent: kills are used very rarely, so I don't really have any stats |
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13:03 | <bobsaccamano> | Hi I just set up a new Linode instance but unable to login via Weblish (login incorrect). How can I find out my login details from the web cosnole? |
13:03 | <bobsaccamano> | *console |
13:06 | <millisa> | you'd have set the root password during the setup |
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14:04 | <Javdave> | Hi all |
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14:51 | <Peng> | so, who's planning to buy a pair of $7000, 225 W, 64-core, EPYC 7742 CPUs |
14:51 | <chonk> | i am excited for the threadripper trickledown |
14:55 | <Peng> | Wait, those EPYC 7601s Linode has been using are actually the top of the product line? Ouch |
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16:26 | <gm> | ? |
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16:37 | <chesty> | I think google has planted a spy inside linode, because google are now rolling out EPYC 7742 to google cloud |
16:38 | <Peng> | :O |
16:39 | <chesty> | actually, I don't know what model EPYC google are going to use, one or more of the latest generation models. |
16:40 | <chesty> | if you work for linode and you aren't a google spy, look to your left, they're probably the spy. |
16:41 | <dwfreed> | Yeah, AMD stock jumped 16% when Google and Twitter announced they were going to be using the new EPYCs |
16:44 | <Peng> | chesty: It might actually be 7742? Google's blog post says "2.25 Ghz base frequency, 2.7Ghz all-core-turbo frequency, and 3.3Ghz single-core turbo frequency". That doesn't match anything on the product graph I saw, but it's close to the 7742. (The 7742's maximum frequency is 3.4 GHz.) |
16:50 | <chesty> | Google have been evaluating them and dog feeding on them, they might have found a different clock gives them better performance to power ratio |
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18:26 | <dubidubno> | Is it possible to see when a Linode was provisioned? |
18:28 | <Peng> | If it's from the last few years (and you haven;t turned them off?) you'll have a Linode Events email about it. |
18:29 | <Peng> | It will also be in your invoices. |
18:29 | <Peng> | You can also go back in the graphs tab of the [old] manager |
18:37 | <dubidubno> | Why not list it on the Linode page somewhere? Just a suggestion. |
18:44 | <millisa> | in the old manager, on the linodes page. 'download csv' |
18:44 | <millisa> | it has it |
18:46 | <Peng> | :O |
18:46 | <@TaraNT> | dubidubno you can see your creation in the Activity tab of your Linode dashboard in Cloud Manager |
18:46 | <Peng> | I've never clicked that! |
18:46 | <millisa> | click it click it . it has your id and a few other tidbits too |
18:48 | <Peng> | Nice! |
18:49 | <dubidubno> | No, I can't. |
18:49 | <chesty> | is the activity tab the bell icon? |
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18:49 | <dubidubno> | Do you mean https://cloud.linode.com/linodes/527603/activity ? |
18:53 | <chesty> | ah, that looks like it dubidubno. I thought the Linode dashboard referred to above was the sidebar "Dashboard", but the activity tab is in the sidebar "Linodes" |
18:54 | <dubidubno> | Oldest activity is from 2019-07-02 01:22:55. "No more events to show" |
18:55 | <chesty> | you didn't move/resize/destroy+create/whatever on the 2nd of july? |
18:56 | <dubidubno> | No. Notice my Linode's low number. |
18:57 | <dubidubno> | My latest instance is numbered 14,857,348 |
18:58 | <chesty> | don't know. mine goes back to march when I created it. was july the mass linode host reboot day? |
18:59 | <dubidubno> | TaraNT: No, I can't. |
19:02 | <@mcintosh> | the legacy manager has limited event support at the moment, so actions done outside of cloud.linode.com/v4 of the API will not always result in events being shown in the activity panel |
19:08 | <chesty> | This is interesting https://blog.linode.com/2019/08/08/update-on-2015-security-incident/ "Linode will never ask customers to submit any personal information over unsecured channels, such as online messengers..." I would call email an unsecured channel, and many online messengers a secured channel (depending on technology as well as who owns it, |
19:08 | <chesty> | trust no one). 99% of emails are stored in clear text, usually on someone else's computer |
19:12 | <chesty> | I think it's fine to say we will only ask for for personal information via phone or email, but I don't like the inference that email is secure. |
19:13 | <Peng> | If people stopped pretending email was secure, society would collapse |
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19:15 | <dwfreed> | Linode uses G Suite for mail, and all large email providers will do opportunistic TLS in the SMTP exchange |
19:16 | <Peng> | !dns6 linode.com mx |
19:16 | <Peng> | oh |
19:16 | <Peng> | 2 mail1.linode.com., 2 mail3.linode.com. [AD=0] |
19:16 | <@mcintosh> | rip linbot |
19:17 | <Peng> | fortunately it died after the "2019 Fall Events" blog post was relayed |
19:17 | <dwfreed> | Peng: $10 says those forward to G Suite :) |
19:17 | <dwfreed> | and also support opportunistic TLS |
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19:18 | <@mcintosh> | yay |
19:18 | <Peng> | !dns6 linode.com mx |
19:18 | <linbot> | Peng: 2 mail1.linode.com., 2 mail3.linode.com. [AD=0] |
19:18 | <linbot> | yay |
19:19 | <chesty> | so if g suite is secure and the customer is on g suite, all good right? but if the customer is somewhere else... |
19:20 | <@mcintosh> | they can use GPG? |
19:20 | <@mcintosh> | if they're not familiar with GPG, chances are they're using one of the large email providers dwfreed referred to |
19:20 | <dwfreed> | if the customer is somewhere else, their email provider could most likely steal their money directly, rather than try to get an image of their card that they sent to Linode |
19:20 | <@mcintosh> | no option is perfect, factoring in usability requirements |
19:21 | <@mcintosh> | also, that |
19:21 | <dwfreed> | something something threat model something something |
19:21 | <chesty> | email is fine to use, implying it's a secure channel though... |
19:21 | <millisa> | fax: 1 email: 0 |
19:21 | <dwfreed> | It's secure enough for the appropriat threat model |
19:22 | <dwfreed> | s/at /ate / |
19:22 | <chesty> | "email is fine to use" |
19:22 | <chesty> | "email is secure enough" but "implying it's a secure channel" |
19:22 | <dwfreed> | it is secure for the vast majority of people |
19:24 | <chesty> | I believe nothing stored in plain text is secure |
19:25 | <dwfreed> | that's your threat model |
19:25 | <dwfreed> | the vast majority of people have a different threat model than that |
19:26 | <dwfreed> | millisa: fax can be more interceptible than email |
19:27 | <millisa> | lies! fax is the supreme in security. so says healthcare. |
19:27 | <dwfreed> | rofl |
19:27 | <chesty> | the vast majority of people are at risk of getting their identity stolen, though, because they have been told and they believe email is a secure channel. but anyway, we've gone full circle a few times already |
19:40 | <dwfreed> | except the part where the big 3 email providers (GMail, Microsoft, and Yahoo) are locked up tighter than Fort Knox, which is why attackers go after banks instead |
19:43 | <kharlan> | I wonder if efax to efax is secure? |
19:43 | <kharlan> | *ponders how ring central's backend is written* |
19:43 | <dwfreed> | that is less likely to be secure, because VoIP often doesn't use encryption |
19:47 | <chesty> | assuming they have a unique and strong password with 2 factor, as long as they don't access their emails with any sort of software they are probably safe. |
19:49 | <dwfreed> | again, threat model |
19:49 | <chesty> | again, "implying email is a secure channel" |
19:49 | <dwfreed> | quit being pedantic |
19:49 | <dwfreed> | or we're just going to be going in circles all day |
19:50 | <LouWestin> | I’m now going to send faxes in a coded language |
19:54 | <LouWestin> | The decoder ring will have to be mailed separately |
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20:04 | <chesty> | I'll stop being pedantic, will you accept a wikipedia article on the definition of what a "secure channel" means? |
20:04 | <chesty> | it's wikipedia, so you don't have to trust it. it also has very few citations |
20:09 | <chesty> | actually, I don't think I am being pedantic, you're arguing against a point I'm not making |
20:15 | <dwfreed> | this whole discussion is completely pointless |
20:15 | <dwfreed> | cool, email isn't 1000% secure, most people don't care |
20:16 | <dwfreed> | and the people that do understand what GPG is and how to use it |
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22:19 | <linbot> | New news from community: Can not get CSGO server to Start <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/18593> |
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23:29 | <test> | hi |
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23:30 | <linbot> | New news from community: What should my /etc/hosts look like? <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/18594> |
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