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05:59<@bleckemby>G'morning!
06:00<Unit193>Howdy.
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09:15<linbot>New news from community: What is the best way to make a FREE backup of my Linode? <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/18855>
09:19<Woet>I gave it the only response it deserves ^
09:19<Woet>the response Linode employees were thinking but aren't allowed to say
09:19<@jcardillo>thank you lol
09:20<Woet>no problem
09:23<DrJ>haha
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09:58<chesty>except I backup every hour for free because I don't want to lose more than an hours worth of data
10:01<DrJ>same here :)
10:01<DrJ>for me I use my offsite backups for simple recovery tasks... like a file here or there
10:01<DrJ>linode backups (as in their service) is for disaster recoveries
10:02<grawity>I run borg from a nightly crontab, really don't want to spin up a whole new linode just to recover a file or two
10:02<chesty>I use volume snapshots. so handy, snapshots are instant, atomic and cause no load. rsync and all the backup programs that use the same protocol are ok, but cause a lot of IO and cpu load checking for differences and can't reliably backup open files.
10:02<grawity>(...or to find out that whoever hacked my account also deleted all backups.)
10:03<grawity>volume snapshots at OS level?
10:03<DrJ>I have a home server that rsyncs every hour onto a zfs volume and then does a snapshot
10:03<grawity>(tbh I'm not sure how those can reliably back up open files either)
10:04<DrJ>I'm not concerned that much about open files honestly
10:04<DrJ>the databases would be the exception but those are backed up through SQL commands
10:04<chesty>grawity, yeah, I guess OS level, I snapshot all partitions, some partitions like /var I don't keep much history
10:09<chesty>grawity, say you backup a snapshot of a postgres database and restore it later, it's the same as if postgres died uncleanly, the next time it starts it detects an unclean shutdown and has to replay the WAL (from memory, I can't remember)
10:10<chesty>because postgres is designed to handle unexpected errors, restoring from snapshots work fine.
10:13<chesty>I can go back in time and restore single files in hour increments for 24 hours, then back in time in day increments for 30 days, the netx increment is months, and I can keep year increments as well. and it's space efficient.
10:17<Zr40>chesty: the postgres bits are correct. It's important that the snapshot is actually atomic
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13:36<linbot>New news from community: Error with WordPress UX Builder <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/18856>
13:48<linbot>New news from community: Error with UX Builder in WordPress <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/18856>
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15:24<linbot>New news from community: How do I create/renew an SSL certificate? <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/18857>
15:37<linbot>New news from community: I am having problems installing my SSL Certificate. <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/18858>
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17:30<David_>What is the practical difference between the Linode 4GB plan and the Dedicated 4GB plan?
17:30<millisa>whether you potentially could be sharing your cores
17:31<millisa>Reference: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/how-to-choose-a-linode-plan/#4-dedicated-cpu
17:31<David_>I understand that. But what is the perceived difference from the end user's point of view? Especially if I am hosting websites?
17:31<millisa>possibly nothing.
17:32<David_>Ok, thanks
17:32<millisa>Best advice - try out the smallest linode
17:32<millisa>They are easy to resize
17:32<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/disk-images/resizing-a-linode/
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21:10<linbot>New news from community: Website showing ERR_TOO_MANY_REDIRECTS <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/18859>
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21:46<linbot>New news from community: How Can I Get Additional Notifications for Emergency Mainteance <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/18860>
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22:10<linbot>New news from community: How do I install the Linode-CLI? <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/18861>
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22:31<caspian>hi
22:31<millisa>greetings
22:31<caspian>Hi i was looking to host my wordpress sites and i am not sure what it contains as i am using siteground for years to host my sites. My only question is, If i buy 4GB RAM system and host lets say 15 WP sites, can i can get IP for each sites i host? If Yes how much IP cost each month? All the IP that i get for my sites, Port 25 will be open? (I am not into bulk email marketing, feel free to close my account if i violate anything) Regards Asim Khan
22:31<millisa>!ip
22:31<millisa>!ips
22:31<linbot>Each Linode comes with 1 public IPv4 address and 1 public IPv6 address. Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1 per month, and require technical justification. A /64 or /56 of IPv6 can be routed to your Linode at no charge.
22:32<millisa>Generally, though, that wouldn't work as a justification. You can host multiple sites on the same IP
22:32<caspian>what kind of technical justification is required?
22:32<millisa>There is no restrictions on port25/smtp
22:32<caspian>i mean i will be hosting my PBN sites. Its wise to use separate ip for each sites so Google won't think as 1 site
22:33<millisa>Google doesn't do that.
22:33<caspian>Google is against developing PBN/Link Building
22:33<caspian>so if i host 15 sites, i can pay 15$/month for my 15 sites, right?
22:34<millisa>You'd have to technically justify each IP. That probably won't work as a technical justification (you are welcome to try)
22:34<millisa>You could get 15 different linodes - they each come with their own IP
22:34<caspian>how much each linode will cost?
22:35<caspian>nah, it will cost me very high
22:35<caspian>by the way, each ip that comes with linode, port 25 is open for all of them?
22:36<millisa>linode doesn't port filter
22:36<millisa>as long as you aren't violating the tos or aup
22:37<caspian>Thank you
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23:27<millisa>bleh. firewalld broke on all my linodes that went to centos7.7 and the latest linode kernel
23:28<millisa>need to put in the effort to figure out whether it the kernel or the update. "ERROR: Failed to load nf_conntrack module: modprobe: ERROR: could not find module by name='nf_conntrack'"
23:29<gparent>I thought Linode kernels haven't used modules in years
23:29<millisa>dunno. worked last month
23:34<millisa>must be something that's different in centos 7.7. was on the 5.1.17 kernel last month when i rebooted these. kernel was 8/21; my last set of reboots was on 8/23.
23:35<AlexMax>millisa: welcome to the club
23:36<AlexMax>There's a forum thread about this very problem
23:36<millisa>you run into it too? I only have 4 or 5 linodes left that aren't on distribution kernels
23:36<millisa>link please? am still googling about
23:36<AlexMax>with a solution
23:36<AlexMax>https://www.linode.com/community/questions/18185/firewalld-doesnt-work-with-default-linode-kernel-on-fedora-30
23:36<millisa>Ah, yes. saw that. interesting that it didn't come up until centos7.7. thanks
23:36<millisa>!point AlexMax
23:36<linbot>millisa: Point given to alexmax. (3)
23:38<millisa>did *not* see someone update at the bottom that it worked for 7.7 too.
23:38<AlexMax>you mentioned something about distribution kernels
23:38<AlexMax>you can do that?
23:39<millisa>yeah; switching is a little bit of a pain, but new linodes with centos I think use the distribution kernel by default now?
23:39<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/how-to-change-your-linodes-kernel/#how-to-switch-your-kernel
23:40<millisa>and i can confirm that fix for fc30 does work on centos7.7. hooray!
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23:46<Cromulent>just a silly off-topic question but does anyone know the top places the openSUSE folk hang out in?
23:47<Unit193>There's nearly 300 in freenode/#suse
23:48<Cromulent>heh I forgot I was already idling in that channel
23:49<Cromulent>just really fancied some light hearted conversations about openSUSE and using it as the preferred Linux distribution company wide
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