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00:49<FluffyFoxeh>Peng_: dd if=/dev/vda?
00:52<Peng_>In the old manager, the answer to my question was "yes". \o/
00:52<Peng_>In the new manager, I don't know, but the docs still warn you not to do it, which must mean it's still possible. :)
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01:01<FluffyFoxeh>I'm still waiting for them to fix IPv6 RDNS in the new manager
01:14<linbot>New news from community: Looking for feedback on using Kubernetes/containers to manage multiple Wordpress websites <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/19116>
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02:04<linbot>New news from community: My communication stopped without more or less <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/19117>
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05:56<Peng_>I think the 5.3.7 kernels increased my CPU usage 20%. (Not 20 percentage points.) Love those Spectre mitigations. Even on EPYCs?
06:01<grawity>there are EPYC linodes now?
06:01<Zr40>yes, for a while now
06:01<Peng_>Linode seems to be deploying a mix of Xeons and EPYCs now
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07:40<mahendra>hi
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09:02<FluffyFoxeh>Thanks spectre for ruining computers
09:02<FluffyFoxeh>👏
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09:26<linbot>New news from community: Anybody else having problems with YouTube's API for oEmbed data? <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/19118>
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10:56<linbot>New news from community: How to setup a server in linode? <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/19119>
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12:21<linbot>New news from blog: Notice: Linode Classic Manager Users <https://www.linode.com/2019/11/18/notice-legacy-linode-manager-users/>
12:34<nuevu>:sigh: I knew this day would come, but I was hoping it wouldn't actually appear.
12:35<@bbigger>what are you going to miss about the old manager nuevu?
12:39<nuevu>JS-less usage, for one. The information density is better than it used to be in the new manager, but it still requires a lot more link-clicking to get to some of the data. Granted, there might be justification for those areas being less used.
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12:39<nuevu>All told, it's just change. I'll adapt eventually.
12:46<@bbigger>Right on. I'll also miss Classic's information density. It was nice to have all the details you needed on a single screen. Been moving more towards using the CLI in general myself.
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12:56<kharlan>fack. Are you serious :(
12:57<kharlan>Just saw the alert and it feels like apart of my soul has been ripped out ;/ *sigh*. I guess it's time to adjust to the new manager.
12:59<kharlan>apart/a part/
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13:00<millisa>i'm still hoping someone implements the classic ui on top of the apiv4 setup
13:01<kharlan>^ that's what I've been thinking. I'd use it on a local vm!
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13:25<Roman>hi
13:26<millisa>greetings
13:27<Roman>I created the support ticket #13013992 two hours ago. I am still waiting for answer from Linode.
13:27<Roman>It looks like there is hardware problem on my linode. Because I see the error messaged: EXT4-fs (sda): Remounting filesystem read-only
13:28<millisa>did you look at it in rescue mode and run fsck?
13:28<Roman>So it looks like it's a problem with SSD hardware on which the server is running.
13:28<@rdaniels>Hi Roman! Thanks for the ticket number. I'll takea look now.
13:28<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/quick-answers/linux/how-to-use-fsck-to-fix-disk-problems/
13:29<Roman>i cannot connect by ssh to the server from orginal terminal. but I may connect via "Lish via Browser Launch Lish Console"
13:30<Roman>My web site is down for 2 hours. So it's pretty urgent. I thought about running fsck. But what to do if it's hardware problem (bad SSD??)
13:30<millisa>potentially go to your backup
13:31<Roman>My linode is linode1853124. It does not have the backup enabled.
13:32<Roman>Millisa, I will try to read the link you send about fsck. And I will try to do the actions. I am Linode customer probably since 2013 (I cannot remember). But it's a first time I am having the problem like that.
13:33<Roman>So I don't understand what are typical actions from Linode's team in such cases. Do they replace SSD (when?) or what?
13:34<millisa>if it really is a hardware failure, they usually try to get you migrated to a new host if possible.
13:35<millisa>if the hardware has failed in a way that a migration isn't possible, you'd be in a situation you'd need to use your backups
13:35<Roman>yes, I though about migrating to new host in such case.
13:36<Roman>But when Linode team will do some actions on my ticket?
13:36<millisa>if it's a filesystem error and not hardware, it'd be up to you to do the filesystem checks and to decide if you need to go to your backups
13:36<millisa>rdaniels said he was looking. that's a linode person.
13:37<Roman>ok. thank you.
13:37<Roman>I am wanting to know some status of the hardware before I run fsck
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15:17<linbot>New news from community: How can I disable email alerts for specific users? <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/19120>
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16:27<linbot>New news from community: How do I update a One-Click App? <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/19121>
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16:45<FluffyFoxeh>object storage? o.o
16:45<FluffyFoxeh>Why is it considerably cheaper than block storage?
16:47<FluffyFoxeh>(per GB)
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17:02<nuevu>I wouldn't be surprised to find that the underlying storage tech is different (e.g. SSD vs. HDD). You also have to take into consideration redundancy and backups. No idea how that formula applies to Block and Object storage.
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17:08<Mig>hi
17:09<millisa>greetings
17:09<Mig>I am trying to register my account at linode with a coupon code and it says the copuon is invalid, can you help?
17:10<millisa>Not directly, but there is usually a valid code at the top of all their documentation for $10
17:10<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/
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17:44<millisa>"Newark (New York regional) data center " was in the mail I saw today about the object storage. Don't think I've noticed them using that bit in the parenthesis before. Fremont has 'San Francisco Region' on the https://www.linode.com/global-infrastructure/ page
17:44<millisa>I would like to petition that 'Dallas' have '(BBQ Region)' put under it.
17:47<nuevu>millisa++
17:48<millisa>I would also accept "Tell you what Region"
17:48<nuevu>I'll tell you what, that's not funny! >.>
17:48<dzho>lol
17:49<millisa>Gawdangit Bobby!
18:08<linbot>New news from community: How do I automate updates and file edits in a StackScript? <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/19122>
18:16<Peng_>LINODE MANAGER ;_;
18:16<Peng_>But the good news is that the cloud manager supports IPv6! The bad news is EVERYTHING ELSE
18:17<Peng_>(Note: I have no idea what, if any, features are missing from the Cloud Manager that I want.)
18:20<millisa>i've found that usually when i can't find something where I think it should be, it's probably on the advanced tab under a ... menu...
18:21<Peng_>\o/
18:21<millisa>For that matter - they should really do a quick reference doc of "This is now here"
18:21<FluffyFoxeh>Like I said the other day, for me it's the ability to add RDNS entries for pooled IPv6 addresses
18:21<FluffyFoxeh>No way to do it in the new manager
18:22<Peng_>Yes, I need that too.
18:22<Peng_>And I think someone said part of the disk image thing I did yesterday might be impossible?
18:22<Peng_>[Certain other web company] just changed one of their control panels. The new one is more compact -- the margins are *smaller*, a blessed change in the modern web -- it uses hundreds of MB of RAM and is visibly slow to load.
18:22<Peng_>and it takes more clicks to do things
18:22<millisa>if you haven't already, click the gear in the lower left, and toggle the 'compact' setting in the cloud manager.
18:23<Peng_>I can't log into it until I okay the new terms of service. (:
18:23<FluffyFoxeh>I'll say the new new manager is a great improvement over the old new manager
18:23<Peng_>That's good :)
18:24<Peng_>Linode -- is IPv6 pool reverse DNS going to be added to the Cloud Manager before the managerpocalypse?
18:24<FluffyFoxeh>And the fact that it's open source and you could self host it if you want to is rather incredible
18:25<FluffyFoxeh>Not that I do want to at this moment, but the fact that you can... I like that :P
18:28<FluffyFoxeh>Peng_: FWIW, when I last checked, I think the API does provide the functionality necessary to implement it
18:28<FluffyFoxeh>So there's that
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18:34<FluffyFoxeh>Peng_: I think our conversation is timely https://github.com/linode/manager/pull/5763
18:36<FluffyFoxeh>It's being worked on, if not done already
18:40<Peng_>\o/
18:41<FluffyFoxeh>Hmm, I guess they don't link to the IRC chat on their website anymore. I can't find it
18:41<Peng_>D:
18:41<Peng_>[Certain other web company] has left a pull request open since 2016
18:41<FluffyFoxeh>we're being turfed :(
18:41<millisa>support link in the upper right. it's about 2/3rds of the way down 'Chat on IRC'
18:41<Peng_>:D
18:41<FluffyFoxeh>yay
18:41<FluffyFoxeh>I was looking under Community
18:42<FluffyFoxeh>I haven't actually looked at the Linode homepage for some time
18:42<FluffyFoxeh>It has changed
18:42<dwfreed>IRC is still linked on the contact support page
18:42<dwfreed>https://www.linode.com/support/
18:42<FluffyFoxeh>yeah, we found it
18:42<millisa>the choosing linode and support experience were both good pages that were added
18:42<dwfreed>which is literally the worst place for it to be linked
18:43<FluffyFoxeh>yeah it's next to all the things which are private, direct support channels
18:45<millisa>i've apparently been saying the company name wrong for a decade and a half...
18:45<FluffyFoxeh>But, I've been here for years and I've never seen anyone come in and post their password or credit card number, so that's something. (not that you should put those things in support tickets either)
18:46<millisa>either that or the 'explainer' video at the top of the homepage says it weird
18:46<FluffyFoxeh>What does it say? I say lih-node (as in linda)
18:47<FluffyFoxeh>Though long ago I said "lie-node"
18:47<millisa>l'node
18:48<millisa>https://www.linode.com?wvideo=nc1l4f74kz at 20seconds...
18:48<FluffyFoxeh>hmm
18:48<FluffyFoxeh>¯\_(ツ)_/¯
18:48<millisa>and at about 1:02 . . .that one sounds weird too
18:50<FluffyFoxeh>le node xd
18:50<millisa>rmyers says it the way i've always heard it
18:52<FluffyFoxeh>Ah, yeah, in the other video at 0:28
18:52<millisa>it's too late. i'm saying "l'node" and tipping my hat anytime I have to call in now.
18:53<FluffyFoxeh>haha
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19:10<@jyoo>Peng_: Sorry for the delayed reply here. Yes, we are working to add parity to Cloud Manager before we complete the EOL process for Classic Manager.
19:11<@jyoo>I've also shared your comment with the team here and appreciate the term "managerpocalypse" lol
19:11<Peng_>:D
19:12<Peng_>FluffyFoxeh found a pull request that was recently merged. :)
19:12<@jyoo>You all beat me to it then! HAha
19:12<FluffyFoxeh>:D
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21:06<bandali>hey folks, since i know some staff hang out here, seeing the news for sunsetting of manager.linode.com by jan 2020, could you please make the new cloud.linode.com function without js?
21:06<bandali>manager.linode.com works very well without js, it makes me very sad to see it be phased out…
21:06<dwfreed>the cloud manager is a client side app
21:07<dwfreed>it is impossible for it to work without JS
21:10<@mcintosh>that is unlikely to happen but I am happy to note the feedback
21:10<bandali>:(
21:10<bandali>mcintosh, thanks for noting it
21:11<bandali>perhaps i should think about writing a client using the apis
21:12<@mcintosh>feedback officially registered
21:13<bandali>thaanks
21:13<bandali>if y’all get back to people who give feedback, i could provide an email as well
21:14<Peng_>You should write an email that requires JavaScript ;)
21:14<bandali>for reading it?
21:14<bandali>uhh… :p
21:17<dwfreed>bandali: linode-cli uses APIv4
21:17<bandali>dwfreed, thanks, will look into it
21:18<bandali>it may be feasible to use it to write a linode-mode for emacs if one doesn’t exist already
21:33<dwfreed>emacs doesn't need more modes :P
21:33<bandali>yeah, it already has *plenty*, but could sure use a couple more ;)
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22:00<chesty>if only it had a javascript mode for browsing websites
22:01<bandali>i’m personally happy it doesn’t ;)
22:01<bandali>(not interested in running proprietary js)
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22:07<chesty>i guessed that was the reason you didn't want to use the new manager
22:08<bandali>kinda. thankfully, it seems the new manager is indeed free software (kudos linode!)
22:08<bandali>but my preference is avoiding js as much as possible
22:08<bandali>(i browse with js disabled by default)
22:08<dwfreed>bandali: cloud manager is open source, as are all of the JS libraries it uses
22:09<bandali>dwfreed, yes, but how about the rest of the js served on cloud? e.g. from ada.support and crazyegg.com
22:09<bandali>are those free software too?
22:10<bandali>or launchdarkly.com or gravatar.com
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22:10<chesty>I have javascript turned on in firefox but have settings and plugins that try and limit tracking. I suspect they don't work and they break a lot of websites. my browser has a unique fingerprint.
22:11<bandali>mine probably does too. i either disable JS completely, or use uMatrix + LibreJS to have fine-grained control over what js code gets to run on my computer
22:13<dwfreed>technically speaking, all js is open source, just some is easier to read than others
22:13<dwfreed>:D
22:14<chesty>"open source" meaning you can read the source, right? but a lot of javascript is proprietary
22:15<bandali>first, there’s much difference between “open source” and what you have in mind (more like source-available)
22:15<kharlan>obfuscated js is a thing ;/
22:15<bandali>the latter is still proprietary
22:16<bandali>and yup, if one considers obfuscated js “readable” or “open source”, then so is assembler’s output or zeros and ones :)
22:17<bandali>( see the first paragraph of “The freedom to study the source code and make changes” on https://gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw )
22:18<chesty>yeah, I was going to say that. most open source licenses I believe specify the source code is in the human readable format (I don't know the right words and terms to use so I made some up)
22:18<bandali>:)
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23:15<FluffyFoxeh>bandali: You can block the JS from ada.support and crazyegg.com. It's not needed to use the manager
23:15<FluffyFoxeh>And the manager is truly open source. You could even host it yourself
23:16<FluffyFoxeh>https://github.com/linode/manager/
23:16<bandali>FluffyFoxeh, thanks; the former is what i currently do :) (using uMatrix)
23:16<bandali>yea
23:16<FluffyFoxeh>It's free software
23:16<bandali>it is indeed
23:16<FluffyFoxeh>and yes, obfuscated js can burn
23:17<bandali>ya
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23:36<chesty>wow, that's awesome you can host it yourself, well done linode. re open source javascript that has been obfuscated to minimize its size, there's an opportunity for a website to add in unknown javascript before obfuscating it. I personally don't worry about that, but I think people that do aren't crazy either, their mom probably had them tested
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