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---Logopened Tue Nov 19 00:00:48 2019
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00:26<nate>Eh I'd like to point out -minimized- and -obfuscated- are not the same things
00:26<nate>lol
00:26<nate>Usually minimizing doesn't involve a lot of obfuscation if any
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03:40<linbot>New news from community: I want to add my own domain that I created from linode to blogger how can I do this? <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/19123>
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05:51<chesty>really? i thought minimize renamed everything to single or double letters
05:57<chesty>not that i've done anything javascript related recently. I just looked at some odoo javascript which gets bundled and minimized. it's unreadable. Maybe obfuscate has a technical definition I'm not aware of, but it fits the english definition imo
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06:38<Zr40>it's actually called minification
06:40<Zr40>it's the process of making everything as short as possible, which includes removal of unnecessary whitespace and renaming of identifiers to be as short as possible
06:40<Zr40>there could be some overlap with obfuscation, but that has a different goal
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06:52<chesty>I have a vague memory of some minification being reversible with a table of name mappings, so I would say that wouldn't be obfuscated. google closure compiler doesn't list obfuscate as a feature, but it says it rewrites the source javacript, I would say that is obfuscated.
06:54<chesty>that's just my opinion atm though. I'm happy to learn otherwise
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07:01<linbot>New news from community: Object Storage: View outbound transfer <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/19125> || Object Storage: View outbound transfer <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/19124>
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07:09<Zr40>yes, that's source maps
07:09<Zr40>it lets browsers translate the minified javascript back to the original source (even if that's a compiles-to-js language)
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07:11<chesty>oh, ok. but if you don't include the source maps then even if obfuscate isn't the primary purpose of the tool, what the browser downloads is unreadable in my eyes
07:11<Zr40>yeah, it's not meant for that purpose
07:12<Zr40>just like the machine code produced by a C compiler isn't meant for human readability
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07:41<linbot>New news from community: Need help in reducing my TTFB of ~4 seconds <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/19126>
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07:51<linbot>New news from community: Startup program <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/19127>
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15:23<linbot>New news from community: When do changes to the hosts file become active? <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/19128>
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16:31<linbot>New news from blog: Linode Managed Kubernetes Now Available <https://www.linode.com/2019/11/19/linode-managed-kubernetes-now-available/>
16:43<grawity>oh neat, new cloudmanager version has ipv6 rdns
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18:26<arooni>if i have a domain with linode as dns provider; and i just want arooni@domain.com to end up in my gmail and be albe to respond to emails as arooni@domain.com ; do i have to find an email host or can i just use some dns magic to make that happen
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18:40<LouWestin>Arooni: you need an email server or hosting service
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18:41*LouWestin is using Palaver 2.9.2 (2806) on an iPhone 7 running iOS 13.2.2 with 2 CPU cores, 2 GB RAM and 47% battery life remaining
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19:08<DrJ>arooni: gmail charges $5/user/month I believe to use your own domain. You could use another service, including a linode server, to forward to your gmail however
19:09<DrJ>replying through gmail with a domain not on gmail, although possible, will likely lead to more emails you send ending up in people's spam folders instead of their inbox
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19:11<DrJ>and there is no "dns magic" really... DNS (MX records) just tell other mail servers where to hand off email for that domain
19:11<DrJ>but that doesn't mean that server will "magically" accept it if the domain is not set up
19:28<nuevu>I'll plug https://protonmail.com/ if you're looking for email hosting.
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21:43<wik>I have a dumb terminology question about setting up linode object storage with dupliciti: When configuring a duplicity backup, what is my "AWS access ID" and my "AWS access key"?
21:46<wik>I'm getting "NoSuchKey" errors when trying to authenticate. I'm guessing that I have the bucket name, access ID or access key swapped around somewhere.
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23:11<react>I'm trying to understand the new Linode Object Storage value proposition, why would I use this service in lieu of other pre-existing, competitor object storage services?
23:12<react>The pricing doesn't seem very competitive, please help me understand, thanks.
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23:29<dwfreed>react: not competitive? it practically mirrors digitalocean, and is cheaper in all measures than AWS
23:32<dwfreed>s3 pricing: 250 GB of storage is $5.75/month; already more than Linode, and transfer has not even been taken into account
23:36<dwfreed>You don't want to know how much 1 TB of transfer costs on AWS
23:37<dwfreed>(it's a lot)
23:41<Peng_>No one knows how much 1 TB of transfer costs on AWS. There are hundreds of variables. ;D
23:44<dwfreed>there are surprisingly only a few
23:44<dwfreed>but more than there needs to be
23:44<dwfreed>1 TB from N. VA to the Internet is almost $100/month
23:49<react>Linode is $0.02 per GB, S3 begins at $0.023 per GB, Google is $0.020 per GB, DO is $0.02 per GB, and Backblaze is $0.005 per GB. This is why, at first glance, it seems rather uncompetitive. So the value prop here is cheaper network egress charges?
23:52<dwfreed>I mean, it's the same price or better than everything except backblaze
23:52<react>Google and Amazon have global and regional buckets available. DO has NYC3, AMS3, SGP1, and SFO2. Linode is currently only in Newark, but plans to expand to... where?
23:52<dwfreed>I'd consider that competitive
23:52<dwfreed>Linode plans to expand Object Storage availability to all their existing datacenters
23:53<dwfreed>and I'm sure it'll be part of any new datacenters they add
23:53<dwfreed>Nobody can compete with Google on locality, not even Amazon
23:53<millisa>your object storage transfer is pooled with your linode's too
23:53<dwfreed>^ there's that
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