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| 00:26 | <nate> | Eh I'd like to point out -minimized- and -obfuscated- are not the same things |
| 00:26 | <nate> | lol |
| 00:26 | <nate> | Usually minimizing doesn't involve a lot of obfuscation if any |
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| 03:40 | <linbot> | New news from community: I want to add my own domain that I created from linode to blogger how can I do this? <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/19123> |
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| 05:51 | <chesty> | really? i thought minimize renamed everything to single or double letters |
| 05:57 | <chesty> | not that i've done anything javascript related recently. I just looked at some odoo javascript which gets bundled and minimized. it's unreadable. Maybe obfuscate has a technical definition I'm not aware of, but it fits the english definition imo |
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| 06:38 | <Zr40> | it's actually called minification |
| 06:40 | <Zr40> | it's the process of making everything as short as possible, which includes removal of unnecessary whitespace and renaming of identifiers to be as short as possible |
| 06:40 | <Zr40> | there could be some overlap with obfuscation, but that has a different goal |
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| 06:52 | <chesty> | I have a vague memory of some minification being reversible with a table of name mappings, so I would say that wouldn't be obfuscated. google closure compiler doesn't list obfuscate as a feature, but it says it rewrites the source javacript, I would say that is obfuscated. |
| 06:54 | <chesty> | that's just my opinion atm though. I'm happy to learn otherwise |
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| 07:01 | <linbot> | New news from community: Object Storage: View outbound transfer <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/19125> || Object Storage: View outbound transfer <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/19124> |
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| 07:09 | <Zr40> | yes, that's source maps |
| 07:09 | <Zr40> | it lets browsers translate the minified javascript back to the original source (even if that's a compiles-to-js language) |
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| 07:11 | <chesty> | oh, ok. but if you don't include the source maps then even if obfuscate isn't the primary purpose of the tool, what the browser downloads is unreadable in my eyes |
| 07:11 | <Zr40> | yeah, it's not meant for that purpose |
| 07:12 | <Zr40> | just like the machine code produced by a C compiler isn't meant for human readability |
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| 07:41 | <linbot> | New news from community: Need help in reducing my TTFB of ~4 seconds <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/19126> |
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| 16:43 | <grawity> | oh neat, new cloudmanager version has ipv6 rdns |
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| 18:26 | <arooni> | if i have a domain with linode as dns provider; and i just want arooni@domain.com to end up in my gmail and be albe to respond to emails as arooni@domain.com ; do i have to find an email host or can i just use some dns magic to make that happen |
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| 18:40 | <LouWestin> | Arooni: you need an email server or hosting service |
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| 18:41 | * | LouWestin is using Palaver 2.9.2 (2806) on an iPhone 7 running iOS 13.2.2 with 2 CPU cores, 2 GB RAM and 47% battery life remaining |
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| 19:08 | <DrJ> | arooni: gmail charges $5/user/month I believe to use your own domain. You could use another service, including a linode server, to forward to your gmail however |
| 19:09 | <DrJ> | replying through gmail with a domain not on gmail, although possible, will likely lead to more emails you send ending up in people's spam folders instead of their inbox |
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| 19:11 | <DrJ> | and there is no "dns magic" really... DNS (MX records) just tell other mail servers where to hand off email for that domain |
| 19:11 | <DrJ> | but that doesn't mean that server will "magically" accept it if the domain is not set up |
| 19:28 | <nuevu> | I'll plug https://protonmail.com/ if you're looking for email hosting. |
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| 21:43 | <wik> | I have a dumb terminology question about setting up linode object storage with dupliciti: When configuring a duplicity backup, what is my "AWS access ID" and my "AWS access key"? |
| 21:46 | <wik> | I'm getting "NoSuchKey" errors when trying to authenticate. I'm guessing that I have the bucket name, access ID or access key swapped around somewhere. |
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| 23:11 | <react> | I'm trying to understand the new Linode Object Storage value proposition, why would I use this service in lieu of other pre-existing, competitor object storage services? |
| 23:12 | <react> | The pricing doesn't seem very competitive, please help me understand, thanks. |
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| 23:29 | <dwfreed> | react: not competitive? it practically mirrors digitalocean, and is cheaper in all measures than AWS |
| 23:32 | <dwfreed> | s3 pricing: 250 GB of storage is $5.75/month; already more than Linode, and transfer has not even been taken into account |
| 23:36 | <dwfreed> | You don't want to know how much 1 TB of transfer costs on AWS |
| 23:37 | <dwfreed> | (it's a lot) |
| 23:41 | <Peng_> | No one knows how much 1 TB of transfer costs on AWS. There are hundreds of variables. ;D |
| 23:44 | <dwfreed> | there are surprisingly only a few |
| 23:44 | <dwfreed> | but more than there needs to be |
| 23:44 | <dwfreed> | 1 TB from N. VA to the Internet is almost $100/month |
| 23:49 | <react> | Linode is $0.02 per GB, S3 begins at $0.023 per GB, Google is $0.020 per GB, DO is $0.02 per GB, and Backblaze is $0.005 per GB. This is why, at first glance, it seems rather uncompetitive. So the value prop here is cheaper network egress charges? |
| 23:52 | <dwfreed> | I mean, it's the same price or better than everything except backblaze |
| 23:52 | <react> | Google and Amazon have global and regional buckets available. DO has NYC3, AMS3, SGP1, and SFO2. Linode is currently only in Newark, but plans to expand to... where? |
| 23:52 | <dwfreed> | I'd consider that competitive |
| 23:52 | <dwfreed> | Linode plans to expand Object Storage availability to all their existing datacenters |
| 23:53 | <dwfreed> | and I'm sure it'll be part of any new datacenters they add |
| 23:53 | <dwfreed> | Nobody can compete with Google on locality, not even Amazon |
| 23:53 | <millisa> | your object storage transfer is pooled with your linode's too |
| 23:53 | <dwfreed> | ^ there's that |
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